Project Blown TL Type S is underway
02-28-2009, 06:14 PM
#441
02-28-2009, 10:28 PM
#442
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the runs a modified CT Engineering ACM. The CT kit called to crush the fuel pressure regulator. The fuel pressure regulator is different then the none type S, so we had to lengthen the injector pulse length. The other challenge to the install was modifying the mount for the Tranny, and the Battery mount.
I think 321 is an awesome number. We still hace all the bolt on parts that can be added. We are putting the bigger pulley on this Sunday, so we can put up some real boost numbers. And we are working on adding an Aftercooler. I think 400+ is a real posabillity
The Air Fuels are great, the car is totally safe. We are posting the sheets on my website Sunday or Monday. we will also be posting better videos for you picky bas#$%ds
I think 321 is an awesome number. We still hace all the bolt on parts that can be added. We are putting the bigger pulley on this Sunday, so we can put up some real boost numbers. And we are working on adding an Aftercooler. I think 400+ is a real posabillity
The Air Fuels are great, the car is totally safe. We are posting the sheets on my website Sunday or Monday. we will also be posting better videos for you picky bas#$%ds
02-28-2009, 10:29 PM
#443
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02-28-2009, 10:50 PM
#444
the runs a modified CT Engineering ACM. The CT kit called to crush the fuel pressure regulator. The fuel pressure regulator is different then the none type S, so we had to lengthen the injector pulse length. The other challenge to the install was modifying the mount for the Tranny, and the Battery mount.
I think 321 is an awesome number. We still hace all the bolt on parts that can be added. We are putting the bigger pulley on this Sunday, so we can put up some real boost numbers. And we are working on adding an Aftercooler. I think 400+ is a real posabillity
The Air Fuels are great, the car is totally safe. We are posting the sheets on my website Sunday or Monday. we will also be posting better videos for you picky bas#$%ds
I think 321 is an awesome number. We still hace all the bolt on parts that can be added. We are putting the bigger pulley on this Sunday, so we can put up some real boost numbers. And we are working on adding an Aftercooler. I think 400+ is a real posabillity
The Air Fuels are great, the car is totally safe. We are posting the sheets on my website Sunday or Monday. we will also be posting better videos for you picky bas#$%ds
02-28-2009, 11:43 PM
#448
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little metal, and a lot of bad words to do the tranny mount
The fuel issue might have just been over kill. But our shop Subsonic Motorsports reprogrammed the ACM as a result of two months of R+D.
The fuel issue might have just been over kill. But our shop Subsonic Motorsports reprogrammed the ACM as a result of two months of R+D.
03-01-2009, 09:55 AM
#452
Gotta be the tuning, keep at it. My blown 3.2 TL dyno'd just over 320 last fall.
There are no more mods for me to do other than go catless, which I won't do. Without a way to adjust the ACM, you just run leaner, and burn up the environment faster, neither of which are good.
Adding a Jpipe and whatnot will not add another 25HP. I'll bet you get less than 5 more HP with those mods.
As we all know, the M92 needs to push more air, and you gotta puch more fuel. Only way you're gonna get to 350.
There are no more mods for me to do other than go catless, which I won't do. Without a way to adjust the ACM, you just run leaner, and burn up the environment faster, neither of which are good.
Adding a Jpipe and whatnot will not add another 25HP. I'll bet you get less than 5 more HP with those mods.
As we all know, the M92 needs to push more air, and you gotta puch more fuel. Only way you're gonna get to 350.
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03-01-2009, 10:00 AM
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Regardless, just my
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03-01-2009, 10:19 AM
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I heard that the power increase from the pre-cat, j-pipe, and exhaust isn't as substantial on the Type-S as compared to the base Tl. This is because of the fact that the Type-S comes from Honda already fitted with a higher flowing exhaust system.
Regardless, just my.
Regardless, just my
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03-01-2009, 11:07 AM
#461
... and it's 1200 cel/in. in the 3.2 vs 900 cel/in in the 3.5. I have the Type-S cats on my 3.2.
03-01-2009, 11:27 AM
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03-01-2009, 11:30 AM
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The exhaust system is also more free flowing to support the lighter cats... Wouldn't make since to unrestrict the cats to bolt it to the same restrictive exhaust... It's an exhaust "system", where all parts are engineered to work together.
... and it's 1200 cel/in. in the 3.2 vs 900 cel/in in the 3.5. I have the Type-S cats on my 3.2.
... and it's 1200 cel/in. in the 3.2 vs 900 cel/in in the 3.5. I have the Type-S cats on my 3.2.
03-01-2009, 11:34 AM
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I heard that the power increase from the pre-cat, j-pipe, and exhaust isn't as substantial on the Type-S as compared to the base Tl. This is because of the fact that the Type-S comes from Honda already fitted with a higher flowing exhaust system.
Regardless, just my.
Regardless, just my
.
03-01-2009, 11:58 AM
#466
I'm really confused guys... I really hope this works out, but there's so much here that's sketchy.
It looks like you bolted a Comptech 3.2 SC to a 3.5. I buy that, we've known that could be done. Great.
You alledge the tune shop is modifying the Comptech ACM, as in increasing injector dwell time to add more fuel, but that just richens up your mixture with no more air coming in. How did this mod occur? Did they actually remove the .bin file and modify the hex code? Pull the chip of the ICB? My point is this is a really HARD way to get more fuel (reverse engineering Comptech's ACM). A few here have already shown a greddy emanage can accomplish that with ease.
You also alledge Comptech is working with you on this one, but I spoke to Nate 6 months ago about this, and he stated they abandoned the 3.5L SC as it would require a new engineering package (implying a new blower), and that wasn't in the cards considering the company just changed owners.
The you post a Dyno run that's smoother than any dyno run I've ever seen, especially given a lash on aftermarket supercharger and poor piggyback tuning for a different displacement motor. It shows all it's power at 3K rpm (like a diesel engine frankly), which is not the dymamics of the 3.5 engine, and puts out stock torque #...
I'm not saying that any of the above isn't true at all... It's just.... ... ."awkward".
I'm sorry, I'm just confused.
It looks like you bolted a Comptech 3.2 SC to a 3.5. I buy that, we've known that could be done. Great.
You alledge the tune shop is modifying the Comptech ACM, as in increasing injector dwell time to add more fuel, but that just richens up your mixture with no more air coming in. How did this mod occur? Did they actually remove the .bin file and modify the hex code? Pull the chip of the ICB? My point is this is a really HARD way to get more fuel (reverse engineering Comptech's ACM). A few here have already shown a greddy emanage can accomplish that with ease.
You also alledge Comptech is working with you on this one, but I spoke to Nate 6 months ago about this, and he stated they abandoned the 3.5L SC as it would require a new engineering package (implying a new blower), and that wasn't in the cards considering the company just changed owners.
The you post a Dyno run that's smoother than any dyno run I've ever seen, especially given a lash on aftermarket supercharger and poor piggyback tuning for a different displacement motor. It shows all it's power at 3K rpm (like a diesel engine frankly), which is not the dymamics of the 3.5 engine, and puts out stock torque #...
I'm not saying that any of the above isn't true at all... It's just.... ... ."awkward".
I'm sorry, I'm just confused.
03-01-2009, 12:12 PM
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I'm really confused guys... I really hope this works out, but there's so much here that's sketchy.
It looks like you bolted a Comptech 3.2 SC to a 3.5. I buy that, we've known that could be done. Great.
You alledge the tune shop is modifying the Comptech ACM, as in increasing injector dwell time to add more fuel, but that just richens up your mixture with no more air coming in. How did this mod occur? Did they actually remove the .bin file and modify the hex code? Pull the chip of the ICB? My point is this is a really HARD way to get more fuel (reverse engineering Comptech's ACM). A few here have already shown a greddy emanage can accomplish that with ease.
You also alledge Comptech is working with you on this one, but I spoke to Nate 6 months ago about this, and he stated they abandoned the 3.5L SC as it would require a new engineering package (implying a new blower), and that wasn't in the cards considering the company just changed owners.
The you post a Dyno run that's smoother than any dyno run I've ever seen, especially given a lash on aftermarket supercharger and poor piggyback tuning for a different displacement motor. It shows all it's power at 3K rpm (like a diesel engine frankly), which is not the dymamics of the 3.5 engine, and puts out stock torque #...
I'm not saying that any of the above isn't true at all... It's just.... ... ."awkward".
I'm sorry, I'm just confused.
It looks like you bolted a Comptech 3.2 SC to a 3.5. I buy that, we've known that could be done. Great.
You alledge the tune shop is modifying the Comptech ACM, as in increasing injector dwell time to add more fuel, but that just richens up your mixture with no more air coming in. How did this mod occur? Did they actually remove the .bin file and modify the hex code? Pull the chip of the ICB? My point is this is a really HARD way to get more fuel (reverse engineering Comptech's ACM). A few here have already shown a greddy emanage can accomplish that with ease.
You also alledge Comptech is working with you on this one, but I spoke to Nate 6 months ago about this, and he stated they abandoned the 3.5L SC as it would require a new engineering package (implying a new blower), and that wasn't in the cards considering the company just changed owners.
The you post a Dyno run that's smoother than any dyno run I've ever seen, especially given a lash on aftermarket supercharger and poor piggyback tuning for a different displacement motor. It shows all it's power at 3K rpm (like a diesel engine frankly), which is not the dymamics of the 3.5 engine, and puts out stock torque #...
I'm not saying that any of the above isn't true at all... It's just.... ... ."awkward".
I'm sorry, I'm just confused.
understandable, no accusations being made, but our 3.2s bolted put up power from 3k up with the charger, correct?? I mean that where Im feeling it...
03-01-2009, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ssmtl2nv
understandable, no accusations being made, but our 3.2s bolted put up power from 3k up with the charger, correct?? I mean that where Im feeling it...
The 3.2 SC and ACM tuning makes almost all it's HP above 6K rpms. Again a tuning deficiency... The bypass valve doesn't even close until about 3500 rpm, and you don't get 5lbs until you reach over 5500 rpm by my gauge.
But I'm talking shit, becasue I have no idea what they're doing for tuning... but tuning take more than hacking up a bin file.
Henryk, good to hear from you. You got a dyno plot to post here to illustrate the power curve issue?
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03-01-2009, 01:27 PM
#472
Where is the jump where vtec kicks in? Why is the graph perfectly linear?
Something really does not seem right about those graphs. Also whoever said the blower is too small to cause problems needs to look up types-09's blown engine. Lack of tuning + blower = blown engine no matter how small the blower.
Something really does not seem right about those graphs. Also whoever said the blower is too small to cause problems needs to look up types-09's blown engine. Lack of tuning + blower = blown engine no matter how small the blower.
03-01-2009, 01:34 PM
#474
Where is the jump where vtec kicks in? Why is the graph perfectly linear?
Something really does not seem right about those graphs. Also whoever said the blower is too small to cause problems needs to look up types-09's blown engine. Lack of tuning + blower = blown engine no matter how small the blower.
Something really does not seem right about those graphs. Also whoever said the blower is too small to cause problems needs to look up types-09's blown engine. Lack of tuning + blower = blown engine no matter how small the blower.
VTEC allows for a more linear power delivery curve " to smooth out the line", it's not like a boost of nitrous.
Yep, and I hadn't responded to the "it's only 5lbs of boost", and types-09 was exacly who I was thinking of, with a slung rod through his block.
No boost and bad tuning will melt a piston. It's much more complicated than folks here seem to understand.
The Comptech kit is great out of the box, but, as with any mod, it casues the engine to oeprate out of the specifications it was designed to operate at, and therefore is more risk.
It's great fun for light to light punching it... but if you mod further, and drive it like you stole it (like types-09), something will fail sooner rather than later.
