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Old Feb 28, 2009 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ifirahse
Pre-cats-20hp
J-pipe- 11hp
3rd cat delete- 6hp
Pulley- 7hp

...These are the HP numbers for an n/a engine, I'm thinking you'll get more out of the precats and j-pipe since you're s/c'ed.

So at least another 45HP fully modded, bringing it up to ~370whp. Respectable!
Must do! If this car puts has zero issues with the S/C, I might try and do it for my own, auto regardless.
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Old Feb 28, 2009 | 10:28 PM
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the runs a modified CT Engineering ACM. The CT kit called to crush the fuel pressure regulator. The fuel pressure regulator is different then the none type S, so we had to lengthen the injector pulse length. The other challenge to the install was modifying the mount for the Tranny, and the Battery mount.

I think 321 is an awesome number. We still hace all the bolt on parts that can be added. We are putting the bigger pulley on this Sunday, so we can put up some real boost numbers. And we are working on adding an Aftercooler. I think 400+ is a real posabillity

The Air Fuels are great, the car is totally safe. We are posting the sheets on my website Sunday or Monday. we will also be posting better videos for you picky bas#$%ds
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Old Feb 28, 2009 | 10:29 PM
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Must do! If this car puts has zero issues with the S/C, I might try and do it for my own, auto regardless.
the kit puts out so little boost, you can not have any real problems
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Old Feb 28, 2009 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by subsonicman
the runs a modified CT Engineering ACM. The CT kit called to crush the fuel pressure regulator. The fuel pressure regulator is different then the none type S, so we had to lengthen the injector pulse length. The other challenge to the install was modifying the mount for the Tranny, and the Battery mount.

I think 321 is an awesome number. We still hace all the bolt on parts that can be added. We are putting the bigger pulley on this Sunday, so we can put up some real boost numbers. And we are working on adding an Aftercooler. I think 400+ is a real posabillity

The Air Fuels are great, the car is totally safe. We are posting the sheets on my website Sunday or Monday. we will also be posting better videos for you picky bas#$%ds
define "modified" ACM.. did you do any computer modifications to it? or just plugged it in ??
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Old Feb 28, 2009 | 11:01 PM
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we lengthen the injector pulse length in the ACM its self to compensate for the stock fuel pressure regulator
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Old Feb 28, 2009 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by subsonicman
we lengthen the injector pulse length in the ACM its self to compensate for the stock fuel pressure regulator
How did you do this? Did Comptech do it for you? How did you modify the trans mount?
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Old Feb 28, 2009 | 11:33 PM
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so assuming 15% drivetrain loss, you've turned a 286 hp car to a 377 hp car with an exhaust, intake, and supercharger... that's pretty impressive.
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Old Feb 28, 2009 | 11:43 PM
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little metal, and a lot of bad words to do the tranny mount

The fuel issue might have just been over kill. But our shop Subsonic Motorsports reprogrammed the ACM as a result of two months of R+D.
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 12:12 AM
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this is pretty cool [ that all that came to mind - feel like im 12]
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Originally Posted by ifirahse
Pre-cats-20hp
J-pipe- 11hp
3rd cat delete- 6hp
Pulley- 7hp

...These are the HP numbers for an n/a engine, I'm thinking you'll get more out of the precats and j-pipe since you're s/c'ed.

So at least another 45HP fully modded, bringing it up to ~370whp. Respectable!
It doesn't work like that. Besides, a lot of people only get 7 or 8 hp from the J and Test pipes combined and only a couple from the pulley.
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 09:28 AM
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congrats sick ride
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 09:55 AM
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Gotta be the tuning, keep at it. My blown 3.2 TL dyno'd just over 320 last fall.

There are no more mods for me to do other than go catless, which I won't do. Without a way to adjust the ACM, you just run leaner, and burn up the environment faster, neither of which are good.

Adding a Jpipe and whatnot will not add another 25HP. I'll bet you get less than 5 more HP with those mods.

As we all know, the M92 needs to push more air, and you gotta puch more fuel. Only way you're gonna get to 350.

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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 10:00 AM
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here's a printout w/ just hp and tq #'s. he didn't give me the other graph on my flash drive. I do have printouts however.
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ifirahse
Pre-cats-20hp
J-pipe- 11hp
3rd cat delete- 6hp
Pulley- 7hp

...These are the HP numbers for an n/a engine, I'm thinking you'll get more out of the precats and j-pipe since you're s/c'ed.

So at least another 45HP fully modded, bringing it up to ~370whp. Respectable!
I heard that the power increase from the pre-cat, j-pipe, and exhaust isn't as substantial on the Type-S as compared to the base Tl. This is because of the fact that the Type-S comes from Honda already fitted with a higher flowing exhaust system.

Regardless, just my .
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by s_heng_62
here's a printout w/ just hp and tq #'s.
Nice.
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 10:03 AM
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I've got vids of the pulls, but they're in the camera out in the car, so... I'll get them up later
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 10:15 AM
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Something's wierd here...

Those graph lines are WAY to smooth.

You hit 90% of your power band at 3K rpm.

What's going on there...
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Kennedy
Something's wierd here...

Those graph lines are WAY to smooth.

You hit 90% of your power band at 3K rpm.

What's going on there...
agrred, dont the tq #'s seem low for mt???
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by kneedragger87
I heard that the power increase from the pre-cat, j-pipe, and exhaust isn't as substantial on the Type-S as compared to the base Tl. This is because of the fact that the Type-S comes from Honda already fitted with a higher flowing exhaust system.

Regardless, just my .
only the precats on the type s are higher flowing (600 cel) vs the base 900 cel
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 11:04 AM
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ssm ur vid was sick. I hope all this goes right, but the trq seems to low.
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ssmtl2nv
only the precats on the type s are higher flowing (600 cel) vs the base 900 cel
The exhaust system is also more free flowing to support the lighter cats... Wouldn't make since to unrestrict the cats to bolt it to the same restrictive exhaust... It's an exhaust "system", where all parts are engineered to work together.

... and it's 1200 cel/in. in the 3.2 vs 900 cel/in in the 3.5. I have the Type-S cats on my 3.2.
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by subsonicman
the kit puts out so little boost, you can not have any real problems
Are you sure? B/c I thought us auto guys would be out of luck with a S/C in the long run.
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Kennedy
The exhaust system is also more free flowing to support the lighter cats... Wouldn't make since to unrestrict the cats to bolt it to the same restrictive exhaust... It's an exhaust "system", where all parts are engineered to work together.

... and it's 1200 cel/in. in the 3.2 vs 900 cel/in in the 3.5. I have the Type-S cats on my 3.2.
thanks, I thought the exhaust were the saem except for the quad mufflers and tips..
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by kneedragger87
I heard that the power increase from the pre-cat, j-pipe, and exhaust isn't as substantial on the Type-S as compared to the base Tl. This is because of the fact that the Type-S comes from Honda already fitted with a higher flowing exhaust system.

Regardless, just my .
I personally feel with some pulley work, and an aftercooler set up, we could get this car to 370 before we add on all the other stuff
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 11:40 AM
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^ I believe you can, it'll take a lot of R&D though, but that seems to be what's happening with this project.
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 11:58 AM
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I'm really confused guys... I really hope this works out, but there's so much here that's sketchy.

It looks like you bolted a Comptech 3.2 SC to a 3.5. I buy that, we've known that could be done. Great.

You alledge the tune shop is modifying the Comptech ACM, as in increasing injector dwell time to add more fuel, but that just richens up your mixture with no more air coming in. How did this mod occur? Did they actually remove the .bin file and modify the hex code? Pull the chip of the ICB? My point is this is a really HARD way to get more fuel (reverse engineering Comptech's ACM). A few here have already shown a greddy emanage can accomplish that with ease.

You also alledge Comptech is working with you on this one, but I spoke to Nate 6 months ago about this, and he stated they abandoned the 3.5L SC as it would require a new engineering package (implying a new blower), and that wasn't in the cards considering the company just changed owners.

The you post a Dyno run that's smoother than any dyno run I've ever seen, especially given a lash on aftermarket supercharger and poor piggyback tuning for a different displacement motor. It shows all it's power at 3K rpm (like a diesel engine frankly), which is not the dymamics of the 3.5 engine, and puts out stock torque #...

I'm not saying that any of the above isn't true at all... It's just.... ... ."awkward".
I'm sorry, I'm just confused.
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kennedy
I'm really confused guys... I really hope this works out, but there's so much here that's sketchy.

It looks like you bolted a Comptech 3.2 SC to a 3.5. I buy that, we've known that could be done. Great.

You alledge the tune shop is modifying the Comptech ACM, as in increasing injector dwell time to add more fuel, but that just richens up your mixture with no more air coming in. How did this mod occur? Did they actually remove the .bin file and modify the hex code? Pull the chip of the ICB? My point is this is a really HARD way to get more fuel (reverse engineering Comptech's ACM). A few here have already shown a greddy emanage can accomplish that with ease.

You also alledge Comptech is working with you on this one, but I spoke to Nate 6 months ago about this, and he stated they abandoned the 3.5L SC as it would require a new engineering package (implying a new blower), and that wasn't in the cards considering the company just changed owners.

The you post a Dyno run that's smoother than any dyno run I've ever seen, especially given a lash on aftermarket supercharger and poor piggyback tuning for a different displacement motor. It shows all it's power at 3K rpm (like a diesel engine frankly), which is not the dymamics of the 3.5 engine, and puts out stock torque #...

I'm not saying that any of the above isn't true at all... It's just.... ... ."awkward".
I'm sorry, I'm just confused.

understandable, no accusations being made, but our 3.2s bolted put up power from 3k up with the charger, correct?? I mean that where Im feeling it...
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 12:29 PM
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Good job guys. What were the SAE corrected #'s? I agree with Kennedy, your dyno graph is the smoothest I have ever seen on a 3rd gen.
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ssmtl2nv
understandable, no accusations being made, but our 3.2s bolted put up power from 3k up with the charger, correct?? I mean that where Im feeling it...
I can't find the SC dyno's that have been posted here... search for them and you'll see what I'm talking about.

The 3.2 SC and ACM tuning makes almost all it's HP above 6K rpms. Again a tuning deficiency... The bypass valve doesn't even close until about 3500 rpm, and you don't get 5lbs until you reach over 5500 rpm by my gauge.

But I'm talking shit, becasue I have no idea what they're doing for tuning... but tuning take more than hacking up a bin file.

Henryk, good to hear from you. You got a dyno plot to post here to illustrate the power curve issue?

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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 12:57 PM
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Chris, I only have one of my first dyno plots, its a non SAE corrected from almost three years ago. I'll dig up a new one if I have some time this week.

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ive never seen such a straight graph on ANY car, let alone the TL....my graph looks like a retarded kid's attempt at a straight line
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 01:27 PM
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Where is the jump where vtec kicks in? Why is the graph perfectly linear?

Something really does not seem right about those graphs. Also whoever said the blower is too small to cause problems needs to look up types-09's blown engine. Lack of tuning + blower = blown engine no matter how small the blower.
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^ i dont think vtec causes a HUGE jump. i just think it makes the hp stay at a steady climb, instead of dropping down. my graph doesnt show vtec
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Originally Posted by spiike
Where is the jump where vtec kicks in? Why is the graph perfectly linear?

Something really does not seem right about those graphs. Also whoever said the blower is too small to cause problems needs to look up types-09's blown engine. Lack of tuning + blower = blown engine no matter how small the blower.
Glad someone else feels me.
VTEC allows for a more linear power delivery curve " to smooth out the line", it's not like a boost of nitrous.

Yep, and I hadn't responded to the "it's only 5lbs of boost", and types-09 was exacly who I was thinking of, with a slung rod through his block.

No boost and bad tuning will melt a piston. It's much more complicated than folks here seem to understand.

The Comptech kit is great out of the box, but, as with any mod, it casues the engine to oeprate out of the specifications it was designed to operate at, and therefore is more risk.

It's great fun for light to light punching it... but if you mod further, and drive it like you stole it (like types-09), something will fail sooner rather than later.
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Originally Posted by Kennedy
Glad someone else feels me.
He's not the only one feeling you, trust me.
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Originally Posted by chill_dog
He's not the only one feeling you, trust me.
Oh... ,Behave...."

" The room is spinning... from... all the gayness".

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Where's the OP?

and where are all those folks that were going to witness the dyno day?
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 02:04 PM
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http://s435.photobucket.com/albums/qq73/s_heng_62/

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I don't get it... Something interesting there?
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nothing at all. lol. but we can keep an eye on it to see if he uploads any new ish.

i also find the dyno graph to look sketchy. him and henryk both have the same smoothing setting and henryks looks like it was drawn in an earthquake
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Old Mar 1, 2009 | 02:22 PM
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Oh... ,Behave...."

" The room is spinning... from... all the gayness".

Sorry, couldn't resist.
And that would be from?
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