I have a bone stock 04 TL, what are two mods that i can do right off the back to give me hp/tq gain??? please help

 

jpipe would be first.
there are no cons, only pros.

then if you want more, upgrade to the pre-cat deletes.

also, you need to browse the performance section.
instead of asking questions, you could be reading and learning.

https://acurazine.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=112
there are tons of threads in this section that give you ideas on what to do for more performance, hence the name of the section.

Please, read. there are over 10 hours of material in this section.

 

Does anyone want to take on like a walk through type script that would help first time mod buyers pick and choose? So that way we can have like an automated response for these threads? Lol

I'm willing to do what I can but could use some help.

 

i'am reading and learning thats all i've been doing i just alot of ppl's opinions.

 

Thanks for the help anyways

 

keep reading.
you dont need to ask questions.

there are tons of threads about jpipes, pre-cat deletes, and everything else you wanted to learn.

I started on one, but its been taking me forever to finish.
I passed it off to guitarplater23, since I needed help.
if you would like to help, ask guitarplayer23 to share his additions on top of mine.
it would be cool, if the veterans could all collaborate on this

 

just to clear this up real quick. The pre cats are a better mod then the test pipe???

 

no, they are two different mods.


we do not have headers.
our heads are cast into the block.
the exhaust gas exits through two PRIMARY cats.
replacing these PRIMARY cats with straight pipes or high flow cats(only from RV6) will net you the best gains, but comes with side effects:
A) smell B) rasp.

if you're replacing the jpipe with the rv6 v3 jpipe, then it will remove the 3rd cat.

again, all of this has been covered 10x over.

 

^^^^ this, I loved it when I got my PCD's and J-pipe best performance mods out there dollar for HP/TQ.
j-pipe
http://www.rv6-performance.com/index...mart&Itemid=62
PCD's
http://www.rv6-performance.com/index...mart&Itemid=83
and HFPC's...
http://www.rv6-performance.com/index...mart&Itemid=96

 

JUSTN himself is playing both, good cop and bad cop LMAO !!!

OP as he suggested reading is the best form of learning....but since you have gotten enough grief about it here goes something:

Air Filter --> intake --> Throttle body --> manifold --> runners --> TL's engine --> PC (pre cats bank1 and bank2 which is front and rear) --> Jpipe to merger the 2 bank --> 3rd cat --> resonator (to shut up the exhaust sound) --> mid muffler (to further make it quite) --> Y pipe (to split into 2 pipes, opposite of Jpipe) --> mufflers (like the exhaust wasnt quite enough) --> tips

For power mods you can do em on the intake side or the exhaust side....the intake SIDE on the TL is pretty good....you can get an AEM CAI/Throttle body spacer but it wont yield as many ponies per $ spend....

On the exhaust side you can gain a lot more ponies per $ spend....You can start with Jpipe + Catback combo....so you have opened up your exhaust + are legal....then go with replacing the stock cats with either deletes (PCD's are not really legal) or Hi-Flow Cats (Legal) ....

You can also do some mods to free some horses....like lightweight UR pulley or innovative engine mounts (no wheel hop = quicker off the line = freeing some horses)....

Hope this helps

 

runners are part of the manifold...arguably the manifold itself. but other than that, good job brah.

 

Why would you tell someone not to ask questions? This is a forum for asking questions.
If you don't want to answer questions from newbees than don't.

To the original poster, ask away and nicer members will respond with helpful info.
Removing the cats or going with hi flow versions will yield the most power for the $$ even on a stock exhaust. Good luck with the car as the TL is not cheap to mod.

 

^sorry my ego got the best of me.
I did answer his questions tho.

 

NO SIR....

the manifold and runners are 2 (arguably 3 LOL) different parts for the TL...

So from the throttle body to 6 different ports....each runner has 3 ports which direct the air/fuel to the ports front and behind (3+3)

I have taken the manifold + runners out sooo many times, its not even funny LMAO....

 

The real thing you need to ask yourself is how much are you willing to spend & then go from there...

 

Hi speed-Justin was really trying to encourage aCOOL to use the Search Engine more.

Both Justin and Swoosh have given some excellent input on this thread-you all have. aCOOL, I hope you understand!

 

I do, but this is a forum about asking and answering questions regarding the 3G TL. I was new here once and I didn't receive this kind of response to questions I had. I have posted numerous threads where no one responded, I figured it was a dumb question.
To tell some one dont ask questions is wrong and contrary to the forums purpose. If it's a question already answered a million times don't answer.

I don't see the need for shaming people from the forum for asking already covered topics.
I would love to see new pushing the limit topics and threads, but the vast majority are not these type threads. To see a member say not to ask questions is conterproductive and rude. With the influx of new TL owners, refusing to answer questions or shaming new members is the death of this forum. I love acurazine and am willing to answer any question worthy of my attention, the others I don't. But by no means do I discourage the question and answer nature of the forum.

 

So whats worse, no answer or an answer with a little push to search? I can remember a few months ago posting a question and getting a BS answer from yourself. But either way I think the OP got some good info without too much flak from the vets.
And to stay on subject, to the OP, like most people have said Jpipe,PCDs or High Flow Cats and if you crave a little or lot of nice exhaust note, get a cat back system. You can do all of these things from about $1500-2k.

 

What^^^^

 

Hi Speed....dude I feel you....honestly its not worth it

I am a guy who reracks the weights at the gym so when I see a new thread with already detailed answers, it kinda frustrates me....Recently I got in trouble for ASKing an OP to search....he came back to tell me not to post in "his" thread and "I did search" BS....and then i took it too far coz clearly he didnt search....aCool was nice enough not to come back with all that....

With all due respect to the search button, I think each topic on this forum has been covered million times and will be covered over and over again since a lot of new crowd is getting the TL....

what i basically do now is type in the info what the OP needs, thinking if this thread comes up as a part of the search for another guy/gal, it will be useful....

kinda frustrating but am learning how to deal with it

now back to POWER MODZZZ for the TLZZZZ

 

I apologize and do see how my message came across.
I didnt mean to come across like that. I do help, and I love helping.
in my haste, I wrote some things that sound arrogant and unhelpful.
I didnt mean for him to not ask questions, just that some of his questions could have been answered by reading.
I apologize to you, and to this board.
aCOOLraTL can PM myself or Hi speed for further advice regarding power levels of the TL.

 

to support my claims, if the OP just took a look in the performance section:
https://acurazine.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=112

he would have found these threads:
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/considering-rv6-v3-j-pipe-829556/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/any-ideas-first-performance-upgrade-825039/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/new-exhaust-vids-829533/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/removed-intake-resonator-829516/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/tin-can-exhaust-828337/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/custom-exhaust-pcds-jpipe-test-pipe-827758/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/rv6-preorder-sale-v3-jpipes-ends-%7E8-20-a-828767/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/08-tls-pcd-829216/
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=829216
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/exhaust-help-829247/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/performance-exhaust-829188/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/ok-dumb-newb-question-j-pipe-825637/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/rv6-true-dual-exhaust-04-08-tl-accepting-deposits-now-784087/
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784087
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/justnspace-dynos-%5Bredtext%5D140hp%5B-redtext%5D-828027/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/xlr8-v2-resonated-exhaust-video-828394/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/help-deciding-my-exhaust-my-tl-827590/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/excelerate-performance-announces-xlr8-v2-j-pipe-all-04-08-tls-825882/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/70mm-2-75-piping-j-series-825875/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/first-mods-my-05-tl-6spd-manual-826313/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/j-pipe-2007-tl-827617/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/type-s-exhaust-mods-827240/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/rv6-p-hfpcs-installed-my-04-base-827185/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/looking-first-mod-825999/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/07-tl-stock-826411/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/rv6-v3-pcd-special-free-magnaflow-resonator-while-supplies-last-825474/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/m-010-putting-tl-diet-update-links-post-1-a-610974/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/rv6-v3-long-tube-j-pipe-release-04-08-tl-all-trims-%2A%2Aupdate-page-4%2A%2A-773591/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/base-exhaust-vs-type-s-exhaust-826895/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/rv6-complete-exhaust-system-821438/
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=825875
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/rv6-v3-j-pipe-rv6-v3-pcd-free-magnaflow-resonator-combo-limited-time-only-review-826385/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/finally-rv6-v3-jpipe-hfpc-installed-826339/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/complete-rv-6-hfpcs-progression-thread-j-pipe-hfpcs-true-dual-exhaust-818470/

Reading is imperative. As you can learn a lot.
Most of the reviews on here, people took the time to write.
take a few mins to read what they have to say.

 

:lawl:

 

That'll take him a while to read.

 

I greatly appreciate everyone's help. I now see that i have a BIG TL family, we are all here to support one another because we all have the same interest (The TL) I will do alot more reading and try not to answer obvious questions. A big Thanks to (Justnspace, Swoosh, Hi Speed, Steven Bell)

 

yeah yeah yeah. but that's because engineers are douches. it is supposed to be 1 piece.

 

as perspective. every new thread is ahead of the actual thread with info when it's time to search.

so then you search and find BS, so they do come in saying they have searched. the forum reg's have a better feel for searching because they probably remember seeing those "useless" threads months ago.

it's a double edged sword. every new thread should include the answer in a factual statement, or a link to a DIY/write-up, or the search function will actually become useless.

 

OP I'd go with the cold air intake and an exhaust. There are really four basic performance mods relating to air flow...besides the two I mentioned you should also look into getting the PCD and J Pipe. Only doing 2 out of the 4 will only change where your exhaust will bottleneck.

 

HFPCs. $550?!?! Outrageous. I could get an exhaust bent up for that... Anybody got some used ones?

 

^no, they just came out.

 

Big HP with the deletes or hi flows. This is a very expensive car to mod, at the same time, moding this level of car is very satisfying in terms of luxury and performance. Other cars not even in the same class ( 3 series and others) are extremely expensive to mod. 25k ( for the base kit) Turbo kit for BMW and more for other luxury makes.
The small percentage of those modd

 

(Bad connection in Mexico) those choose who mod have to pay for the 95% who don't. I get a lot of grief from my v8 friends , but WHP says it all. Watch me pull bus lenghts on your bored and stroked v8's. Another advantage is no police attention since 95 % of the TL's are family cars. I have a hard time racing people because by the time I pass you there is no catching up. I still slow down just to let them catch up and show them the taillights.

 

Lol JustN is just a troll, but I'm glad he apologized because I see now he actually is a good guy.

At first I thought he was a douche, but after getting on the forums more and more, I saw his point. His approach may not be the best, but he is right, use the search.

 

^^^ that has seemed to be the common consensus LOL....

OP what are route are you planning to take ?

 

its also because no one ever innovates any more.
everyone relies on this forum, but all the vets that did innovate and did do awesome things with the TL have moved on.

if you want the information, you're going to have to search for it.

I've put my dyno graph in various various various various different threads.
but people still ask me to post it in yet another thread.
I'm happy to do so, but the info is already out there.

the information is here, we just need to learn how to look for it and utilize it.

 

trolls never help. he is not a troll.


ps, justin i have never seen your dyno, and i'm in all sorts of threads everywhere. i'm sure as an "active" user compared to most, i'm more likely to have seen it than the majority. yet i have not.

and also, why would i assume you HAD posted it if you say something about having dyno'd off-hand?

 

Justnspace vs Stock 6MT TL.

 

I'm also new, but coming from an 8th civic SI, I've got lots of learning on my side as well. One of the main question are sound wise. How loud will it be with these pipes? I've done lots of Youtube videos but they show me no justice hense the audio could be louder due to the recordings or just distorted due to being too loud on the mic. I had one of the loudest exhaust (Skunk2) on the SI and want to know what the quietest exhaust note there is with these j-pipes and cat.

Sorry, I just believe that this forum has soo much stuff in one category that it should be organized more neatly. Even if you search, you don't get what you want because it via words. What you want to search in your own words may be different than what the other people worded theirs. Hope this helps.

 

^dont try to search.
try browsing the performance section. you'll see the titles that interest you.
again, here is the performance section:
https://acurazine.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=112


the dyno:
Mods - rv6 v3 pcds-->rv6 jpipe-->stock exhaust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIfqJm38__A

rasp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmvGy7a1amw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4T0kE5qaO0

idle: with just jpipe only
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTifsJrqcaE

 

thank you for posting that. also, your car runs nicely. usually you see a smoothing factor of 8-9 on NA cars so that the dyno looks even. a smoothing of 5 is pretty dang low