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Old 03-19-2012, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by skd2k1
yeah, the hyperflash is what I'm trying to avoid...would it be possible to get a single filament (flash only) led bulb and put that in there with out a hyperblink??
not trying to be rude here buddy but do you understand why it hyperflashes ???

Acura designed our ECU's in a very smart way (they have been doing that)....so when 1 bulb fails the Relay starts sending hyperflashes to tell the user "hey one of the bulbs have failed"....

now bulbs offer higher resistance than LED's....so when you replace the bulbs with LED's the Relay things "oops one of the bulbs is blown" coz the overall resistance of the circuit goes below the threshold....

now there are 3 ways to avoid hyperflashing:
1> do not use LED's....use the bulbs

2> if you use LED's you can wire load resistors as illustrated in this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/how-install-led-resistors-lots-pictures-3g-garage-g-079-a-637923/

3> if you use LED's you can change the relay by adding resistance so that the hyperflashing is solved as illustrated in this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=815219
Old 03-19-2012, 05:35 PM
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^^^ this

I prefer Option 3, which was the original reason for this thread
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Originally Posted by swoosh
not trying to be rude here buddy but do you understand why it hyperflashes ???

Acura designed our ECU's in a very smart way (they have been doing that)....so when 1 bulb fails the Relay starts sending hyperflashes to tell the user "hey one of the bulbs have failed"....

now bulbs offer higher resistance than LED's....so when you replace the bulbs with LED's the Relay things "oops one of the bulbs is blown" coz the overall resistance of the circuit goes below the threshold....

now there are 3 ways to avoid hyperflashing:
1> do not use LED's....use the bulbs

2> if you use LED's you can wire load resistors as illustrated in this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=637923

3> if you use LED's you can change the relay by adding resistance so that the hyperflashing is solved as illustrated in this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=815219
QFT

But I don't think it's just HONDA that designed their signals to hyperflash for this reason. AFAIK, almost all car make turn signals will hyperflash when it detects a bulb out, or a bulb about to fail.

I do see a shit ton of other cars that hyper flash and they are just about everything but honda/acura
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^^^ you bet....i didnt wanna confuse and already confused guy

besides i didnt wanna go off topic....i could keep going on about DRL's and brake bulbs....how different manufacturers have different settings and different resistance threshold....
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someone post up the thread that gerzand made on making the relays to make your oem sidemarkers flash. I have a feeling that's what this guy is after.

J.

Edit: Nevermind, found it.
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/g-043-blinking-sidemarker-diy-guide-suitable-3g-garage-703668/
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Originally Posted by swoosh
not trying to be rude here buddy but do you understand why it hyperflashes ???

Acura designed our ECU's in a very smart way (they have been doing that)....so when 1 bulb fails the Relay starts sending hyperflashes to tell the user "hey one of the bulbs have failed"....

now bulbs offer higher resistance than LED's....so when you replace the bulbs with LED's the Relay things "oops one of the bulbs is blown" coz the overall resistance of the circuit goes below the threshold....

now there are 3 ways to avoid hyperflashing:
1> do not use LED's....use the bulbs

2> if you use LED's you can wire load resistors as illustrated in this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=637923

3> if you use LED's you can change the relay by adding resistance so that the hyperflashing is solved as illustrated in this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=815219
right, I thought all that was implied...I should have been more clear. so, if I do this mod, is it possible to delete the parking lights with led flashers and not get hyperflash? I read somewhere that if you try to delete the parking lights on an led bulb it will hyperflash even with load resisters, so I'm wondering if this mod would rectify that?? thanks.
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^^^ no it wont

because the indicating relay and the parking light are independent
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Originally Posted by swoosh
^^^ no it wont

because the indicating relay and the parking light are independent
awesome, I'll try my hand at this mod in the next week or so...thanks dude!
Old 03-22-2012, 08:53 PM
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for future reference
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Originally Posted by upnout
for future reference
Hit me up when you're ready---I've done a few of these.
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Need .24 Resistor

Hey Guys,

Would anyone be able to provide me with a .24 resistor? I live in Canada and shipping alone is $23, just feels silly to pay $23 for such a cheap part.
Old 04-11-2012, 04:29 PM
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So i'm not sure if this is related at all, but after doing the mod over a half a year ago, my turn signals/4 ways have been cutting in and out. Today on the way home, they stopped all together and i was not able to get them to work. I will be pulling the module later to see if something came loose. Anyone have any ideas of what's going on with this?
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^^^ i would turn on your hazard light and see if you have a blown LED before you get to opening the module up !!!
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Originally Posted by swoosh
^^^ i would turn on your hazard light and see if you have a blown LED before you get to opening the module up !!!
Hazards usually were used to get them working again, now i have nothing though. Not even the dash signals light up.
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^^^ seems like you have a short somewhere
Old 04-11-2012, 07:58 PM
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False alarm. One of my solder points somehow came loose (make sure that shit is soldered good and tight). So I re-soldered the one leg and all is well.
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alright, I did the mod...really easy! thanks for the help guys.

I installed 68 led bulbs and am concerned with the brightness in the daylight. these bulbs just don't seem to be that bright, what kind of bulbs is everyone using and how is the brightness in daylight?
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Originally Posted by skd2k1
alright, I did the mod...really easy! thanks for the help guys.

I installed 68 led bulbs and am concerned with the brightness in the daylight. these bulbs just don't seem to be that bright, what kind of bulbs is everyone using and how is the brightness in daylight?
I'm using Autolumination 120 LED amber bulbs.

Plenty bright during the day...
Old 04-27-2012, 09:34 PM
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anyone have any .24 ohm resistors left they can sell to me?
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Will be doing this early next week - anyone have an extra .12 ohm resistor I could buy off them?
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Originally Posted by guitarplayer16
I'm using Autolumination 120 LED amber bulbs.

Plenty bright during the day...
thanks, I'll probably end up getting a set of 120 LEDs, the 68 LED bulbs just don't seem bright enough to me.
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Are people still having random and unexplained issues caused by this resistor mod? I thought it was a proven method before reading through all of the posts (thats 4 hours I am never getting back).
With my luck I will end up screwing this and electrical issues are the one thing I do not want to deal with.
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This thread is super helpful, I'll be doing this when I get my smoked tails from USR.

Sorry to ask but 20 pages is A LOT to read through, has anyone confirmed that this mod will work for all 4 corners? I plan on doing switchbacks and then red LED's I have to use for the tails. Well...I don't have to use LED's but I'd prefer to because they are brighter and they'll match the taillights.
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There are 2 different resistors to choose from. IIRC you use a .12 ohm resistor and that will cover hyperblinking for 2 sets of LEDS (switchbacks). If you plan to have all 4 LEDS (all 4 corners of the car) use a .24 ohm resistor.

I put in a .24 ohm resistor from the start and my switchbacks weren't cutting power to the white when signalling and 'switching' back until I put leds in the rear to match.

That is all.
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Sweet, thanks J. I'll try to do all my lights at once.
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You're welcome, buddy. Yeah, worst case, you'll get the double intensity look until you get the tails put in.
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So I think I've read more than half of this thread, but did anyone figure out an easy way to remove this relay box from the interior?

And to go along with BBA's question above, are people mostly seeing success with this and no consequences, and its only a few that are having problems? All I'm doing is switchbacks, not touching the rears, so I ordered .12ohm resistors from digi-key.
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once i had all 4 corners led and matched up with the proper resistor, I had no issues.
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^^^ this ...
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Sweet, looking forward to this. I've never soldered anything in my life, but I should be able to figure it out.
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Thanks for the info. Just picked up a set of the VLED switchbacks. Wasn't planning on it yet, but you guys talked me into it.

If anybody else is in the market for buying LEDs, V-LEDS has a 25% off of $150 for the month of May.

I can already hear the wife's bitching:
"What was wrong with the old lights?"
-Nothing honey, these are just better.....
"But the old ones worked just fine"
-Yeah but these ones are much brighter and look better
"But you spend a lot of money"
-Shouldn't you be in the kitchen.....
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I think all girls are like that. Feels bad man.
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Just used a .12 ohm resistor for my switchbacks and everything worked just as it was supposed to! These look awesome with my LED DRLs. Thanks everyone for all the info! MUCH better than load resistors.
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Thanks for all the info from everyone!!!
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Very informative thread! I ordered a pack of .12 resistors from Digikey so anyone needs one, shoot me a PM
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Smile TL LED flasher resistor install

Hello Friend I had a 07 TLS and I had just did what u did, and it come out perfect no more fast blink, Thanks for that. But however the parking light don't come on. Do u had that problem on your car?? I had been replace with 2 different kind of 1157 leds from ebay.
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Thanks allot man this is really works i install my today works great .. Well when i got the resistors i orfer like 50 of them if any one want to get some let me know ..?
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I've got Nine 0.24ohm 1W resistors left if anyone's interested.
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Originally Posted by SurfingScotty
Don't be too hasty to say "everyone". I have spent over $100 trying to get this mod to work including buying new resistors, new relay, and new bulbs. My soldering skills are well above par. My rear LED turns have worked fine every since I did this mod. However, my fronts (Type 2 switchbacks) would work fine for about 5 mins of use, then: amber turn on right side, with blinking white on the left AT THE SAME TIME! I've tried everything I can think of short of using inline resistors. So yeah, I know I'm not the only person to have strange issues with this mod.

If you F-up your stock hazard/turn relay. The one from VLED's would be a much cheaper solution. I think the one from the dealer cost me about $50.00.
YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE! I did this mod over the weekend and it turned out great, I have type 2 switchbacks in the front and 68 3528smd rear LEDs in the back. I soldered two of the .12 resistors and for the first 3 days, no problem. Tonight I notice when one blinker is amber the opposite turns white, WTF!!!! after spending 2.5 hours reading through 20 pgs, I still don't have any clear answer...I am thinking maybe the relay may be malfunctioning, any ideas?


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