Wacker

Had a rough day today. Bad weather in Memphis (iced over roads and I was stuck on the wrong side of the Mississippi River for awhile).

The car was listed at $9,400 which seemed an already decent deal. 130k miles. So 100k fewer miles than the red one I was looking at. I negotiated it down to $7,500 and got it.

Today the trans have me a few "issues" with torque converter lock up shudder. I'll be working on that tomorrow. I did a little research this evening. Female owned, last time it was at a dealer was at 84k miles in aug of 2010. So if the trans fluid has been kept up....who did it? Hoping to sneak away from work some tomorrow and do a 3x3 with some fresh dw-1 and 3-4 switches. Was gonna do it anyway. Now I just have added incentive. Cross your fingers for me.

IamaTL

Good luck man thats a pretty good deal! hopefully that issue goes away with the swap. Cant wait to see both your cars soon.

Franchise1124

Nice find, Wacker. +1 for NODILLO as your custom plate.

sauceja

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Whats up fellas! 19 degrees today.

Gonna be a long 14 days.

McCollins23

Meh, could be mistaken as [NODILDO] which could be confusing to people, cuz I'm pretty sure you stay keepin dildos

Majofo

No fucking way Wacky.. don't you do more than a single drain and fill. Trust Majofo.

swoosh

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^^^ I agree with Majofo...

what I would do is

drain the fluid
do the switches
replace with new fluid (I do recommend Redline but I havent heard anything bad about the DW1 either)

once you are done with this, do a drain and refill every 10K or 15K miles.... this way you are not draining out new fluid, and there will always be "fresh" or new fluid in the tranny....

while you are at it, also look into an external trans cooler....I am looking to install one when the weather gets better...

Majofo

No to Redline F.

Stick with either DW1 or D4.

swoosh

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Good edit Majofo

Wacker

I picked up 9 quarts of DW-1 and am going now to pick up some Type-F as IHC has has success with. I plan on driving the car between drain and fills.

swoosh

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^^^ I am running straight Type F just like IHC...am not sure IHC mixes DW1 and Type F....

Inaccurate who has done a lot of research on this mixes, 1 lightweight Racing, 1 D4 and 1 Type F....this gives like stock viscosity and 67% non Type F mixture since a lot of folks running straight Type F have reported flaring....

I have no had any flaring in 20K miles of running straight Type F....

also I had my drain and refill interval as 1000 miles....every 1000 miles i did a drain and refill and hence a total of 4x3....but if I had to do it all over again, I would have done a drain and refill every 15K miles....

MEKO

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1 lightweight Racing, 1 D4 and 1 Type F

What I have

Undying Dreams

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Damn, ya'll love wasting money on fluids I see.

Majofo

Don't use F. Don't trimix.

swoosh

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^^^ am not....but why do you say so...

Wacker

Why may I ask? They are all required to be compatible by ANSI standards are they not?

I'll be adding type f first fill since its cheaper to lower the FM % in the trans. Then I'll start adding DW-1. I have no idea what fluid is in this car as all services were done by quick lubes since 84,000 miles. 131k on the clock now. I want it all out whatever it is.

MEKO

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Yes, why?
I did it like 15k ago, thinking of doing it again around this time

McCollins23

So much different info, don't know what to do. I am needing this done soon along with the pressure switches. Maybe I just use the factory fluids Anil I know you and a lot of other people have had no trouble with redline, but I don't know if I want to chance it.

swoosh

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@Meko: dont do a 4x3 every 15K miles....you are wasting money....either a 4x3 every 60K miles or 1x3 every 15K miles...

@Matt: your tranny is still under warranty, i would not use any other fluid than the DW1

MEKO

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I did 3x3 last time with 1k interval
Now will just do 1x3

To be honest mine started to do much better shifting after redline
3rd and sometimes 2nd was hittin if the rpm was low or at decelerating
not anymore

Majofo

You have a high mileage TL Wacky.. she might not have ever changed the ATF. You might need the FM to keep it going.. be conservative. Change the switches, do a drain / fill of DW1 or D4. Don't do another drain and fill for 15-20k. Each oil has different characteristics at temp and pressure, a mix is not linear and will separate, over time this could do harm (which I hypothesize has done to some members who introduced a mix early on with no previous trans issues). The benefit of mixing is not there. You may end up doing more harm than a straight fluid. If you do mix.. don't mix Racing F.

swoosh

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^^^ I changed my ATF from Z1 to Type F at 147K miles....

thats why i chose a Drain and Refill interval of 1K miles so I could back out if I saw any problems....but there were none....

the only reason I recommend Type F is because of no FM's....that thing will shift quick and reduce wear....

now I introduced Type F in my car when DW1 was not out....hearing what some folks have to saw about Dw1, i bet you could use that and not have to worry about anything

Wacker

Not racing f. Type f.

Majofo

Negative.. if your tranny is under warranty.. might as well use anything you want.

You fucking guys with your 1x3, 4x3, 2x3...

3x3 means 3 drains 3 fills.. are you doing 1 drain and 3 fills?

swoosh

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^^^ same thing....

there are 3 fluids from Redline for us...

1> Type F - also called as Racing F or racing fluid etc
2> Lightweight Racing fluid - also called as Lightweight Type F, lightweight fluid....this one is just like the Type F (NO FM's) but just a little bit thinner
3> D4

I would like someone to try the D6....

Majofo

Racing is Type-F

You're running mostly a straight fluid though and you've kept up on trans maintenance, so you're a lot less likely to run into issues than a tranny with +80k miles of unchanged fluid.

Wacker

I already have issues. This is a Hail Mary at the buzzer.

swoosh

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you are mistaken my friend

1x3 mean you do a drain and refill which uses 3 qts of fluid, 1 time....

since in the AT most of the fluid is locked up in the torque converter, to change most of the fluid, you need to do a 4x3 which means do a 1x3, 4 times....which means do a drain and refill which uses 3 qts a total of 4 times, hence using 12qts of fluid

about warranty, I have seen dealerships fuck with people and their warranties because they have an air intake.....if Type F were to ruin his tranny, the dealership will definitely try to make as much $$$ from him as they can....

Majofo

Racing and LW are not the same.

D6 is closer to DW1.

justnspace

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dont listen to the pink dog.

TLDude876

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2 D4+ 1 Type F = success

swoosh

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EDIT: this is for Majofo and not for you Dennis....

^^^ you are not reading

its the same as in it has NO FM's but its a little bit thinner....less viscosity....so the lightweight is thinner than the Type F

from Redlines website

Majofo

And how the fuck would the dealer know he was on F?

Are you seriously lecture me about the mechanics of our transmission..

Since the RR journals, 3x3 refers to 3 drains and fills, not 3 drains and fills of 3 qts. The TC doesn't drop exactly 3 qts (although almost negligible), so Honda would only advise refilling to the appropriate level.

Majofo

That's like saying Mobil 1 0w-60 is the same as Mobil 1 SAE 30.

justnspace

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while we're at it; lets measure dicks

Majofo

Justn wins.

8===========D

Wacker

This. Unless you are retarded enough to walk in and start saying "I poured milk in my transmission in hopes my car would moo" I think you are fine. No dealership is going to spend the money on the analysis it would take to prove what fluids or combination of fluids are in it. As a person who orders analysis on different chemicals and fluids on a daily basis I can say, such analysis would cost a lot of money.

swoosh

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EDIT:

again @ Majofo
^^^ dude am not here to argue semantics with you

but the honda AT drops right around 2.8-2.9 qts per drain..am not sure what a Mercedes Benz AT drains, for that you need to be on that forum

a 3x3 basically means:

3(times)x3(qts)

no one will tell you, dude let it drain 4 qts and fill in on 10ounces....filling any fluid using the dip stick is the way to do...that is common sense....but am just explaining what a 3x3 or a 4x3 or a 1x3 means !!!

about warranty, I would think they test the fluid to find the root cause rather than telling someone, why dont you have a seat while we switch that transmissions for you....someone with experience around this will explain better....

bottom line is we are trying to advise the same thing:

regular maintenance

Wacker, you will be fine with either fluids (DW1 or Redline)....but from my PERSONAL experience from switching from Z1 to Type F, I have been very happy....the shifts are quicker, I do not see as many shavings on the drain bolt magnet....

the only regret I have is doing a 1x3 every 1000 miles, and went up to a 4x3....I should have done a 1x3 every other oil change....

send IHC a PM....I wish inaccurate was still frequenting the forums but here is his thread:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...5#post14240025

Majofo

Anyways.. just be safe Wacky.. All though I'd love to see another tear down

Majofo

In my garage.. It's all about precision.

reg maint indeed.

Wacky is a special case

...without knowing the history of the trans.. he's better off to assume it was never serviced. So going to a straight Type-F (no FM) fluid is risky. I'm not saying F is bad (although Racing F is linked to a couple bricked trans here, again back to visc). I do think keeping a weighted mix is risky.