jdeec

this has already been posted in this thread.

Precision Crafted

'04 through '06 TL's have auto up/down front windows with anti-pinch. The sunroof has the same feature. The rear windows lack auto. Only the RL has All Auto Windows at this point.

wyzard

Oops. sorry. Thread has gotten so big it's hard to know what is going on. Much easier to see what is being discussed with individual threads.

A_UFO

The government website specifications may not be accurate. They may have accidentally included DTRL on their website which is currently only Canadian models.

In mid to late August, we will get the official news from Acura on the 2007 model.

Then we can start the All New Threads Dealing with 08 TL.

brian92873

i'm in the same boat with you mike...if there isn't something substantial you can expect, 06 MT Navi in my garage and i'll be expecting to pay under 30 for it.

type_sGuy05

i hear ya bro. I've been wanting to upgrade my '02, and if the 07 has minor changes I'm takin my time to get a good deal on an 06.

brian92873

yeah man, like most active participants on this forum, i've googled everything i can trying to find SOME scoop on this event....christ, i can even tell you abou the company that put the website together to promote the event (in case anyone is wondering its a company called BWE, Inc, located in Orange County, CA and their website is www.bwe.net)......yet the ONLY thing i've been able to find that has been announced is pricing for the RDX..zzzzzzzzzzzz...so what are they doing the rest of the time??!?!?!?!

i sense hours upon hours of silence in an auditorium where the acura folks just sit on stage and stare at the audience who is staring back and then after hours of sitting there staring they say "you guys want to hear the price of the rdx?" a couple of claps...then, "its gonna be $xx,xxx.xx" then back to silence...and then days later after hours of silence and sitting there, they'll say "you guys wanna hear about the TL?" clap. "its gonna have new seats, the price will be 39,000, oh and blinking side mirrors, thanks for everyone for coming"

rockylee

Where's those pics of the guy who went to the 07' TL unveiling in PA ????

Rocky

havenlock

Who went from here?

kewldude1_y2k

If there are not many changes in the 2007 TL, how much low can we go on the pricing of the 06 TL (w/NAV) at the dealer???

kewldude1_y2k

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=578968 some more info from Vtec about 2007 TL

ludachrisvt

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Someone had posted a confidential media link on TOV that stated the more powerful 2007 TL is comming. The mods quickly deleted the link since it was industry "sensitive" information. Looks like the rumors of the J35 in the TL are probably true guys!

ludachrisvt

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As a side note, if this thing gets the sh-awd I am trading my new e-class ...

sweetride01

If I were you, if you want 6MT, then you better ask your dealer to search for one. My dealer here in Tampa has 50 TLs on the lot, and not one is 6-spd. Since '06's have stopped production, you should ask the dealer to look out for one for you.

havenlock

The 'confidential link' was just to www.acuraahead.com where there was a flash animation what text that said "more powerful"

AltecBX

The Benz 4-matic is just as good as Honda SH-AWD in the snow and rain. In the summer, the SH-AWD beats it in the curves.

Kennedy

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Well, we saw the 15HP bump for the 2007 Acura TL on the Chinese website (see about 8 posts above)...

And you if you looked at Acura's marketing of the 2006 TSX, "new, more powerful engine" (9 hp wahoo)... which was merely a VTEC change and some minor exhaust tuning. Given Acuras propensity to market nominal tuning for minor gains, I'd suspect the 15 HP bump is all we're gonna get... and I highly doubt the J35 is coming to the TL if it's not coming to China too. They're made in the same plant.

This of course says nothing to the highly speculative TL-S and what engine may be in that.

Drunkenmunky23

with all the curiosity in the air, we might as well start placing bets

Abbass Hassani

Ok look guys...I have been following this post religiously since it first came out. I've never really posted much given that I'm not much for pure speculation.

Thing is, though, that if the TL comes out with anything north of 280 HP with the current FWD set up, the weight balace, torque steer, and sheer handling of the car will all be comprimised.

The rumors of this 295 HP TL is absurd. If and only if they actually fit it with SH-AWD will it become reasonable.

If, however, it remains FWD and has 290+ HP I wouldn't even take a second look at it and go for the IS350, 330i or 07 G35.

Back in 1996 I remember TOPGEAR ( a birtish motoring show) said that there is only so much power that you can give to a FWD car. Back then they believed it was 220 HP.

In any event, a 3.5 liter engine with a lot more HP doesnt make sense on the current set up. It would obviously cost north of 38k, and at that price you could go for the above mentioned cars which would result in a much better driving experience.

AND BY NO MEANS GET ME WRONG... I LOVE MY TL AND I AM A DIE HARD TL FAN.

All Im saying is that TL will lose its edge if its the same price as these cars, with the same HP rating, but it is FWD. Hope that makes sense.

Cross your fingers for SH-AWD EVERYBODY!

Cheers!

type_sGuy05

i hear what you're saying and agee w/ many of your points and others. I also think Honda has a tendency to market HP gains, when they are modest (as a poster mentioned above w/TSX)...the Accord v6 also gained a few ponies in 05 and they talked about that too...

I wouldn't be surprised if the standard TL has a few more ponies. However, a 290hp SH AWD while enticing, will also weigh quite a bit more as well as bump up the cost. So who knows how 'siginficant' the performance gain will be. Just does not seem practical to me. And Honda is a very practical company.

This is of course pure opinion though. Part of me thinks maybe somewhere in the middle. A Type S with more HP but still FWD.

Everyone screams torque steer but several car makers are making more and more powerful FWD cars. The upcoming Mazdaspeed 3 got laughed at for having some 270+ hp but the few that have driven it say its quite a hoot to drive. Honda if anything, is known for handling and pioneering new ways of handling. So who knows.....

Abbass Hassani

Hi Kennedy,

I just wanted to clear this up for you...the TSX did not gain 9 HP, I speculate it gained appx 15-18 HP on a 4 banger...not bad!

The reason for this is the old HP rating on the TSX was NOT SAE NET. The SAE NET rating for the old TSX before mods was never published.

For example now that the Chinese spec engine is rated at 273 HP (SAE NET), it is not correct for me to assume a 3 HP gain, comparing it to the NON SAE NET rating of 270 HP.

Just thought I'd give share

Cheers

JeffS

Don't worry, your E Class is safe for at least two more years.

Kennedy

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I understand Acura modified thier engine output standards to bring them into compliance with updated SAE standards, which happened in 2005. That's not the point, nor was it the point of Acura's marketing of fht e 2006 TSX.

The point is, Acura modestly increased the output of the TSX engine, to the tune of 10 HP (at the crank, in the way high RPM range), and touted this change as "the new, more powerful 2006 TSX". Read it on the Acura's homepage... "an upgraded 205 HP engine graces the 2006 TSX".
I also have no doubts these upgrade we're implemented to compensate for the "perception of lost HP" from 05-06, when the new SAE stadards we're adopted. They had to do this to legally say the TSX was in the 200's.

I highly suspect Acura has done the same thing with the TL for 2007, especially since the goal appears to be 270 HP. The new SAE standards put the existing J32 engine at 258 HP in 2006, and it appears to be back at 273 in 2007... doing so accomplishes the 270HP goal, "fixes the lost HP", and allows Acura to say "new, more powerful TL".

It's also pretty keen for Acura to ensure that the J32 stays a good 20+ HP away from the J35 equipped RL, when it could obviously easily be tuned to close to 290 HP.

Too bad those new 15 horses are near redline, and you'll seldom, if ever, feel them.

Acura98TL

First of all I hope you remember that the 2005 TL had 270hp, then with the 2006 they dropped it to 258hp, now why would a company like Acura with so much to lose if they only bumped it to 270-275 hp range.....yea so I highly doubt that the horsepower for the 07 TL will be under 280 hp at a minimum.

ben88

If you really want 290hp and sh-awd...look at the Acura RL. People are buying them for about 8k more than the TL...plus you get the nicer interior and above mentioned specs.

type_sGuy05

Acura didn't "drop" any HP from 05-06. it just was re rated using a more stringent (SAE) hp rating. The 05 and 06 are identical in terms of real power. I'm assuming you know this, but the language in your post doesn't seem so.

why do you 'highly' doubt that HP for 07 will be under 280? anything above 270 for an FWD car is virtually unchartered (with exception of the Pontiac Grand am GXP, which rides on WIDER front tires than rear) and the Mazdaspeed 3 (upcoming model).

As i mentioned earlier if its in the 280 or 290 range one would expect AWD, but that also makes it a sketchy mix for Acura- it'd be a heavier, pricier TL...which = RL.

halfaznguy87

"First of all I hope you remember that the 2005 TL had 270hp, then with the 2006 THEY dropped it to 258hp..."

Acura89TL, not sure if you meant it that way but Acura did not decrease the power of the TL's engine. Since the new standard of measuring hp is the the SAE standard, the TL's power rating was measured at 258hp accourding to SAE standards. Ironically, Ratings for hp in american cars went up like in the Corvette.

halfaznguy87

dude type_sguy05 is that your RX-8?

type_sGuy05

yup, thats mine. pic from a stint up in skyline drive last fall. Im also big into Acuras hence my keen interst on the 07 TL.

Kennedy

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He obviously doesn't know this... which is critical to understanding my post. His 2004 is much faster than my 2006, becasue Acura just "dropped the HP" for shits and giggles, so they can say they increased it again in 2007.

Your exactly correct. 280+ HP, in a car infamous for bad torque steer, is a corporate liability waiting to happen. Increasing the HP output to reach that 270 mark appears to be the goal.

and a TL-S with 290+ and SHAWD, if offered, will be a rebadged RL, with a near matching price tag... no thanks.

halfaznguy87

Okay, I realize this thread has a main topic, but I have a 2003 TL type S and thinking about getting one. How's the mpg? As in how much do you spend in a week usually for gas? In a month? Is maintaining the vehicle pretty high?

whatjones911

Can Acura really get 290 easily with the J32? That would be NSX territory and then we have to rev more near redline just to feel that 290hp and that is fun in a NSX but not in a heavy 4-door car like the TL. I dont think Acura can get 290 out of a 3.2 SOHC but can in a 3.2 DOHC like the NSX C-series engine

Kennedy

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If all it takes is new high flow cats to do this:



(Remeber, these are "at the wheel" figures. Typical drivetrain loss is 10-15%. That's over 300HP at the crank.

Even if the dyno is not that accurate, it shows the tunability of the engine, and the fact there's plenty of tuning room.

290 HP is dangreous in a FWD car (hell, it's dangerous with 260), but also infringes on the RL's marketshare...

type_sGuy05

im assuming you're asking about the rx8 based on your earlier post. Feel free to PM me if you have more questions- Don't want to hijack the big TL thread....

to answer quickly: i get about 16 city 20 highway. Maintenance is low. just add a quart of oil every 1500 miles and regular oil changes at 3500. Like any car, just take care of it- i've had no more issues with it than my old civic.

sma

Been lurking for a while... waiting for 2007 TL info like the the rest of you. This may be interesting for some since I have seen 2007 G35 speculation come up a few times. Nissan released their info today. Hope Acura does on TL soon! Not meant to hijack this thread or take off topic but since some will cross shop 2007 TL with the 2007 TL....

http://www.autospies.com/news/Spies-...uct-line-6948/
OR
http://nissannews.com/ (The Infiniti Lineup - Charting the Changes [July 20, 06])

306HP for 2007 G35 by the way.

SatinSilverTypS

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once the official 2006 honda clearance sale ends i suspect we will see the numbers. no sense in lowering your earnings any more than you have to by announcing the 07 models when you're still trying to liquidate the 06's.

SSTS

whatjones911

Is 306hp the official specs for the 07 G35? It doesnt seem like they gave out official specs yet until the pricing is released. And the coupe has less power??

From the rumors, the 07 G35 is supposedly priced lower or same as the current G. I can already see the sales dropping like hell for the 07 and 08 TL.

sma

Yes, seems official as the nissannews link in the 2nd paragraph says "Powering the latest G35 is an upgraded version of the award-winning VQ-series 3.5-liter DOHC V6, rated at 306 horsepower."

I believe the coupe is less powerful b/c it has not been updated yet but should be soon.

whatjones911

Yea sorry i didnt read the intro paragraph lol. So its going to be rated the same as the IS350, i wonder what the torque is going to be rated at. May also be the same as the Lex.

I know the coupe isnt updated for 07 but why reduce the power? Just leave it like it is.

sma

Oh, I gotcha... I think the coupe engine was somehow still using the old SAE formula and for 2007 they started using the new HP calculation.... that is what this post on a G35 forum for the 2007 seems to infer...
http://g35driver.com/forums/showpost...16&postcount=9
He seemed happy that the new ratings were close to the old. I am not positive on this... I don't follow the coupe info too much.