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Sorry if this was mentioned already, but currently on initial looks and cost (both around 50k) I am seriously thinking about an RDX A-Spec or the Genesis GV70. Wondered if anyone else has an info on the GV70 as I am quite familiar with the RDX. My biggest knocks off the top on the Genesis would be an unknown dealership and it being a 1st year model.
Is there any info? It doesn't even appear to be out quite yet, so nothing but Genesis website. However...this.."The 2022 Genesis GV70starts at $42,045 and ranges up to $63,545".One thing I will say is I like how Acura prices cars. They don't pummel you with options...there is a base, a tech and an advance, with the A-Spec thrown in. So it may be around the price of an RDX, or it may be a lot more. On the other hand, Hyundai/Kia have made such huge strides in so many areas, and I would assume that Genesis is a notch above, so if I were looking now, I would definitely wait the short time (says "this summer" for the GX70 to appear....see some reviews...do a test drive. I would expect good things.
Considering all the "first year" issues that have been reported here with the Gen 3 RDX, from a very experienced automaker, I personally would not take a chance on a first year Genesis (aka Hyundai).
Been down that road before. I'm am not referring specifically to the '19 RDX here, as the issues I had were (mostly) confined to the infotainment system
The GV70 looks gorgeous inside and out, the 2.5T has more power and torque than the RDX (300HP), the 3.5T is too expensive. I expect the GV70 handles at least as well as the RDX being RWD biased, same with reliability. I would wait till next year to consider the GV70, you will have better deal that there will be the new Lexus NX as well.
Thanks for the advice everyone and yes, I am wowed by the inside of the GV70 (much more that the RDX). I am not a fan of wasted space with the layout in the Acura center area. I'd have to sit in one to completely confirm that. I wish there was a Genesis dealer as good and as close as my current Acura dealership though.
The GV70 would have been a top contender had it been available when I was shopping for a vehicle. Contrary to what some here would lead you to believe, the Koreans build quality vehicles.
Cars are a personal matter and you have to make your own decisions....and then live with them.
As for the Koreans and their cars....I have read a couple of long term reliability studies and they show that the Korean cars score well compared to the Japanese cars.....well, at least for the first three years. After that things change a lot. I would consider how long I was going to own that car and if its for a longer term I would study the LONG TERM reliability of the brand, not just the first couple of years. The other factor is safety, as in crash protection. The Japanese cars score better. This is likely due to the more advanced software they have to help design the structure and a long track record. In automotive terms the Koreans are still sort of new in the game.
But in the end its all a personal choice...your money, your call.
From what I’ve been reading, Hyundai’s quality is very good these days. Long gone are the days of Hyundai’s poor quality and materials. And I think Hyundai is trying really hard to impress on the luxury side making sure they’re offering great value. First model year is always a concern, but I haven’t heard bad things about Pallisade for instance.
Personally, I don’t much care for the styling of the GV70 or most Hyundai vehicles, but that’s a personal matter.
While I will agree that Hyundai/Kia have made huge strides, after the problems I had with a new '17 Tucson, and how they dealt with them... it will be some time before I venture into a Korean brand showroom again.
While I will agree that Hyundai/Kia have made huge strides, after the problems I had with a new '17 Tucson, and how they dealt with them... it will be some time before I venture into a Korean brand showroom again.
Listen to the voice of reason.....JB knows first hand.
Designing and building cars is a majorly complex undertaking. Then there is the time involved with building the structure of the business and the support team. I am old enough to have watched the Japanese come into the US car market. I remember well their struggles, their hits and misses. I worked on the inside of Toyota and watched them grow. I also watched when Hyundai came to town. Some of the original Toyota people left to go join Hyundai as they loved the thrill of building a brand, over coming the challenges and making it grow. The Koreans have some miles from where they were, just as Honda and Toyota did. The Koreans are doing better and better, expanding their brands, branching out into new areas. But, its a trough and expensive industry to be in. They have their ups and downs like everyone else.
In our family (brothers, sisters, kids and grand kids) we have bought over forty new Honda's over the past twenty years. None have ever had serious problems and most were well loved for many years. One sister (who is one of the few that never had a Honda) went crazy and bought a Kia Soul because she thought it was cute. Its the only time I know of any of us trading off a car in less than two years! She switched to a RAV-4 and was happy. Honda has had a few bobbles over the years but their management has worked to get on top of any issues and do better. It happens and you learn from it. In our family we sometimes "pass down" cars. There is one Toyota that is still going from the 1980's. (Its had its interior replaced it got so old! But, it still runs). We have an Accord from the 1990's that its on its third "pass down" and is still going strong as it nears 300,000 miles. All our Honda's and Acura's are still giving us great service so why would we not still believe in them.
Cars are an expensive item, likely the second most expensive item (after a house) that many will ever buy. Pick wisely, but in the end its your money and your feelings that will guide you.
And yet year after year Honda/Acura rate below average in the JD Power vehicle dependability study. And where does Genesis place.....#1. How can this be?
And I see Acura has finally made it to the above average category for 2021 but behind all 3 Korean brands and Honda is close to the bottom of the list keeping company with Chrysler and Jaguar.
And I see Acura has finally made it to the above average category for 2021 but behind all 3 Korean brands and Honda is close to the bottom of the list keeping company with Chrysler and Jaguar.
Holy guacamole. Do they list the reason(s) for the majority of the complaints?
Holy guacamole. Do they list the reason(s) for the majority of the complaints?
Not as far as I know. What is common knowledge though is that the quality problems began in 2014 and the downward trajectory continues.
On a plus note, resale value remains high.
I think most of the complaints are related to the infotainment and the new techs. Just look at various forums and groups on Internet about the 3th RDX you will see it. It doesn't mean in long term an Acura is less reliable than a Kia for example.
I think most of the complaints are related to the infotainment and the new techs. Just look at various forums and groups on Internet about the 3th RDX you will see it. It doesn't mean in long term an Acura is less reliable than a Kia for example.
For the Acura, yes, but they've climbed significantly over the past few years surprisingly. Honda on the other hand has tumbled to lower than I'd ever expect. If it's about quality complaints, I'd strongly concur.
While my wife is the main driver of our 2020 RDX, my car has been a 2013 Hyundai Genesis and I've had zero issues and only had to do oil changes and new tires. Best vehicle I've ever owned. Would not hesitate to buy another Genesis.
While my wife is the main driver of our 2020 RDX, my car has been a 2013 Hyundai Genesis and I've had zero issues and only had to do oil changes and new tires. Best vehicle I've ever owned. Would not hesitate to buy another Genesis.
The problem with JD Powers "Initial quality surveys" is that they are done on new cars, sometimes on as short as the first 90 days of ownership. The other issue is that most of these new car surveys do not gauge the severity of the problem, just that there was some sort of complaint. So, a blown up engine could score the same as a piece of trim that wasn't perfectly aligned or was loose. That said, Honda did hit some rough waters a few years back. In 2019 Honda's new CEO brought this to the forefront and pushed the company to face this and fix it. This CEO is an engineer and was able to identify areas to be improved. It happens and some companies try to ignore it. I know, I worked at GM when they were in trouble. It was amazing the rationalizations some managers made. They even invented new terms to try to make common problems seem "normal". (Their worn out rear differential machine tools were causing very loud gear noises. Rather than replace the machines and fix the root cause they instead invented the term "commercially acceptable noise" and told us it was not an issue.)
As for Honda, you can find many articles about there quality concerns and efforts to improve like the one linked here: Honda CEO calls out company to improve quality
Those are vehicle dependability studies, not initial quality surveys.
"Dependability ratings and awards measure reliability based on the responses from more than 80,000 verified owners of 3-year-old vehicles annually. This rating focuses on the type and number of problems owners experienced during the preceding 12 months with their 3-year-old vehicle. The fewer the number of problems reported by car owners, the higher the score."
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Do you have to sign up to get surveys by JD Power or Consumer Reports? I never received anything, despite Acura having my email on file. Is it just random?
Do you have to sign up to get surveys by JD Power or Consumer Reports? I never received anything, despite Acura having my email on file. Is it just random?
The JD Power surveys are by random selection.
Consumer Reports are done by member surveys, search engines and questionable in house testing.
All I can say is that Genesis nailed the interior and exterior design. The car just look gorgeous. Honestly it beats Macan. Now, if you want to discuss reliability, resell value and etc. then my view is different. But if you do car for a 0-60 and beautiful design, GV is your car
Well, I don't think we can call the race just yet. I'll wait for the reviews to come in and configurator to launch so it's possible to compare apples to apples.
QV70 2.5 with the advance package is 49k. That's basically the same as an A-Spec RDX. Yes, the 3.5l Genesis would be nice but that starts at 10k over the other engine.
Yes, off topic, but I didn't want to start another 'compare to....' thread.
So this is about the VW Atlas. A friend visited recently with a new 2021 Atlas. His is the 3-row R-Line, and I guess there is a shorter non 3 row Sport model version also. VW is not a vehicle I have paid any attention to, so the above JD Power survey is about as much as I know about them....and that survey, for what it's worth, doesn't paint the best picture for VW. And with that said I thought it was a pretty nice looking SUV (Red), and the interior was really nice looking. As others are, I am also looking to acquire a vehicle by years end, if this chip shortage thing gets worked out. The Atlas will at least be a car to research and consider.
So far-
Atlas
QV70
GLB
Sorento
NX
Rogue
Corsair
Why all the comparisons on this forum? I understand each person has their own preferences. But, why spend my waste my time looking for the perfect vehicle as most I drive the vehicle is 3 years and then then move on to the new model or different brand. Are there other features that may appeal to me, sure but the technology keeps improving. Perfection is about how much the buyer is willing to pay to purchase and maintain. Cars are not perfect. The dealer has a huge role to play in making sure I am satisfied with my purchase. Cars do not last forever unless you put it a museum and then someone else is going to own and drive it eventually.
Why all the comparisons on this forum? I understand each person has their own preferences. But, why spend my waste my time looking for the perfect vehicle as most I drive the vehicle is 3 years and then then move on to the new model or different brand. Are there other features that may appeal to me, sure but the technology keeps improving. Perfection is about how much the buyer is willing to pay to purchase and maintain. Cars are not perfect. The dealer has a huge role to play in making sure I am satisfied with my purchase. Cars do not last forever unless you put it a museum and then someone else is going to own and drive it eventually.
In the same logic why one should buy an RDX or Lexus, just buy a Corrola or a bicycle. It will do the same, a means of transport from A to B. Car is an expensive purchase, second only to a house. You want to drive a car that you hate or a car that you look forward to getting in the driver's seat? Besides some people keep their car for 10 years or more. Sure you want to keep that long something you love and serve you well.
I am not sure about you, but I consider spending $50,000 on a vehicle quite an investment and prefer to do research before making 48-60 months worth of payments. Also, right now I am killing time waiting for some 2022 versions to come out so might as well watch reviews, gather opinions and see if there are other options out there I hadn't considered.
Yes, off topic, but I didn't want to start another 'compare to....' thread.
So this is about the VW Atlas. A friend visited recently with a new 2021 Atlas. His is the 3-row R-Line, and I guess there is a shorter non 3 row Sport model version also. VW is not a vehicle I have paid any attention to, so the above JD Power survey is about as much as I know about them....and that survey, for what it's worth, doesn't paint the best picture for VW. And with that said I thought it was a pretty nice looking SUV (Red), and the interior was really nice looking. As others are, I am also looking to acquire a vehicle by years end, if this chip shortage thing gets worked out. The Atlas will at least be a car to research and consider.
So far-
Atlas
QV70
GLB
Sorento
NX
Rogue
Corsair
You need to consider your needs, your list contains some very different vehicles. Atlas and Sorento are pretty big with 3 rows. GLB is the smallest. The remaining 4 are in the compact class. Personally, I would take the GV70, then NX, then Corsair, the new Rogue is nice but it is not in de lux class and it has a CVT.
RickRDX and wuffy, agree everyone has their preferences. Not sure why anyone would make their purchase based on social media comments. Nothing is perfect as our purchase decisions could ultimately change after delivery.
I would guess, for the answer to your question, the RDX has been out for almost 3 years now and some people may be looking to replace it if that's the replacement cycle they use, or they want to consider a non-RDX in replacing another car they own, or others. For me I have an RDX I plan on keeping a while longer but will be replacing a Honda Accord soon, so these comparisons, or bits on other vehicles are interesting. It's from this blog that I learned a little more about the Corsair and the GV70, and from a friend...an Atlas. Likely none of these cars would have been on my short list, who knows, but they are now. I like most of the things about my RDX, but will not be buying another. I have been unimpressed with Acura as a company.. I don't expect a car company to make something perfect, but I do expect them make an earnest effort to fix issues. Acura has been pretty weak in that regard and my experience at their dealerships has been pretty marginal as well. So, of course I speak only for myself, but I am in that mode of trying to pick up every bit of information and user experience i can before that next big decision is made. So....I like these comparisons here, as much as i like them in Motor Trend, etc. I don't think there are that many of these 'comparisons', after all, it is an RDX blog
I would guess, for the answer to your question, the RDX has been out for almost 3 years now and some people may be looking to replace it if that's the replacement cycle they use, or they want to consider a non-RDX in replacing another car they own, or others. For me I have an RDX I plan on keeping a while longer but will be replacing a Honda Accord soon, so these comparisons, or bits on other vehicles are interesting. It's from this blog that I learned a little more about the Corsair and the GV70, and from a friend...an Atlas. Likely none of these cars would have been on my short list, who knows, but they are now. I like most of the things about my RDX, but will not be buying another. I have been unimpressed with Acura as a company.. I don't expect a car company to make something perfect, but I do expect them make an earnest effort to fix issues. Acura has been pretty weak in that regard and my experience at their dealerships has been pretty marginal as well. So, of course I speak only for myself, but I am in that mode of trying to pick up every bit of information and user experience i can before that next big decision is made. So....I like these comparisons here, as much as i like them in Motor Trend, etc. I don't think there are that many of these 'comparisons', after all, it is an RDX blog
You make very good points here.
In regards to the apparent high Genesis ratings posted above...is it possible that the numbers are high due to the very small numbers of vehicles they have sold compared with the rest of the brands listed? It is much easier to keep a few happy than the "masses". Also, I tend to believe that buyers of a new (upscale) brand/model will tend to defend their purchase decisions with high marks...until they no longer do.
"You need to consider your needs, your list contains some very different vehicles. Atlas and Sorento are pretty big with 3 rows. GLB is the smallest. The remaining 4 are in the compact class. Personally, I would take the GV70, then NX, then Corsair, the new Rogue is nice but it is not in de lux class and it has a CVT."
Agree, different cars both in size and class. The Sorento, even with 3 rows, is only about 2 inches longer than the RDX and the Atlas Sport about 8 inches longer. The "3 row" GLV is about 4 inches shorter. I don't need 3 rows but do appreciate any extra room in the back....but not to the point of the car getting 'too big'. Of course I have plenty of time to make a decision, and plenty of test deriving and reading up to do, but if this chip shortage thing doesn't get straightened out by the end of the year, we may just put this off for another year...and by then this list will probably change a few times as well.
06-15-2021, 07:52 AM
, unless Acura give us a Type S with the 3.0T.