CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

Look around on the Subaru website. They are not at all available anywhere on the site for any of the 2.5L models, NA or turbo.

LukeaTron

I don't know what tell you then. They're the brightest damn incandescents I've ever seen then. I wish the TSX had high beams like that.

Trix7381

BMW 1 series here i come! Sorry but i dont see what acura is thinking, i hope these articles all just have wrong information

SpicyMikey

That's a coupe and significantly smaller then the TSX. it also has it's priorities in a much different place in terms of power, etc.

The 128 is that hot wild chick you met in a bar last week. The TSX is the sensible attractive girl next door that you've known for years. I can't see cross shopping between the two

LukeaTron

^^^ Haha, nice analogy. It's funny cause it's true.

LaZyPiGgY

hah, I don't really get the analogy, but cross-shopping between cars within a certain price range isn't that bad of an idea I think, if it were the case that is. Some people just don't have the funds.

CGTSX2004

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People here seem to not understand that there may be other requirements outside of money. Sure the 1-series has potential as a driver's car, but it lacks 4-doors and a reasonably sized backseat that can house adults. I don't see how anyone who is looking at a 4-door mid-size car could even consider the 1-series.

And for those looking for a sports car, WTF were you doing looking at the TSX in the first place?

From all the people that I have talked to about buying cars, it always amazes me how much people don't even know what they themselves want. I think that if people set their priorities first before making rash decisions, a lot of the stupid comments we see would disappear.

SpicyMikey

That was the exact point of my girl next door reference, but you spelled it out in clear english pretty well

Sometimes I get the feeling most people buying Acura's are BMW wanna-be's They really want that 328, but settle on the TSX because it's more practical and priced better. Which is exactly the market where Acura has been over the last 20 years. Nothing really wrong with that.

If you want a car that costs 20% more for the same features, then go buy a BMW 328 instead of a TSX or a 5 series instead of an RL. You'll pay more, but you'll now be able to lay a patch as you pull away from the red light AND you can take a right turn at 40mph. All depends on your priorities.

joerockt

201 HP

Mokos23

is there any shot of the rear of the new TSX yet without any camo on it?

dnlongen

I'm a little surprised to not see any discussion of a hybrid option. In my opinion, a hybrid option a la last year's Accord (performance more than efficiency) would improve what I see as two of TSX's shortcomings (low-end torque, relatively low mpg for a 4-cyl). Adding an electric motor's massive low-end torque to TSX's fine high-range power would fill in the power gap. Regenerative breaking, electric assist, and stopping the gas engine when idle could boost my average 26.5mpg in mixed driving to perhaps 32-33. That might be enough to make me part ways with my '07 TSX AT.

I know a hybrid would add weight, I don't know if it would be enough weight to throw off the TSX's fun handling?

wackura

They say the hybrid technology doesn't work very well with heavier cars.

ishak540m

I just hope they work out all of the kinks by 2010 or 2011.

Red@8

They should look at the new tahoe/yukon hybrids and the big lexus 600lh

wackura

That's true, it seemed like Honda was giving up easy when they said that. That's their new mentality - we already have a butt ugly car that loosely fits that market segment so lets kill off all the other models like the RSX and the Prelude and the hybrid Accord.

I think thats the core of my disapointment at the lack of a TSX type S, that they got rid of the RSX, RSX-S, Integra Type R and the NSX and haven't replaced any of them with anything dedicated to sportiness. They killed the RSX saying buyers would want a Honda Civic Si instead, maybe a smarter move would have been to make the RSX competitive with the Lexus SC. I think we quietly assumed they were using this down time to develop such things, but no, they're either not developing sporty cars or they're a day late and a dollar short.

TommySalami

I don't think it would be smart to try and make the RSX a luxury convertible. I think what they had with the previous RSX was right where they should have been, but maybe with a nicer more Acura-ish interior

JeffGSR

Here is a new blurry pic of the 2009 TSX

http://blogs.motortrend.com/6231873/...nch/index.html

rb1

Everyone is bashing the HP drop, but the press release also mention dual balance shafts as a "first" in the TSX.

I knew the current motor had at least one balance shaft, but if it's true that they've added one, then the new motor will be smoother than the old one.

Also, no one is going to notice a 4 hp drop (that's just 2%), but the torque increase should be noticeable. The new motor should seem a hair stronger than the old one...

wackura

Definately not a convertable, but it should have a nav option, xm and the works, a somewhat quiet interior and a solid feel and however big of an engine necessary to make the car competitive, and screw gas mileage, it's an Acura, not a Honda. I'm calling for a TSX fast back with a smaller base more or less. The RSX as it was, was very much a Honda.

I know this might come, albeit way late, as a coupe, but I'm not realy interested in a coupe like the Accord Coupe or the Acura CL, because not only do they have more cons than pros, to me they say "I hate kids" and "it's all about me, fuck whoever might find themselves in the back seat." I think Acura is still scared of having a repeat of CL sales so I'm hopeful they'll give us a more imaginative car whenever they decide to stop failing.

Colin

I was wondering about this. I thought the current car had dual balance shafts. (I recall seeing one in the oil pan a few years ago). The balance shaft will definitely smooth things out, but I didn't think the other engine was that rough. I wonder if this will reduce the 'revvyness' of the engine? i wonder of these contribute to the torque output like a heavier flywheel would?

WFC

Just wanted to post my . I'll be staying with my 04 and looking elsewhere with my next purchase. That's all.

bibby

Consider this...in Canada at least...
The BMW 1 series (128i) starts at $32000.
The BMW 1 series (135i) starts at $42000.
The current TSX is at $38000.
The Lexus IS250 base is at $32000

BMW 128i is 6k cheaper than TSX.
BMW 135i (that's suppose to include M package) is 4k more than TSX.

Hm...I think Acura is in trouble unless they change the pricing. At $38000, it comes with 201hp and have a so far, unwelcomed exterior design....but a good interior....which would you take?

I know it's not all about HP and Torque, but I think the BMW certainly looks better exterior wise.

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

Why the fuck would anyone looking for a 4 door sedan consider the tiny ass 1-series coupe?

Colin

I can only wonder if the Canadian government has different import tarrifs for US and Japan? Maybe the country of origin affects the selling price? Is the TL priced similarly vs. the TSX? Also, who distributes Acura in Canada?

aznriceball

when did TSX jump 10k since my last purchase back at 06?

ilitig8

But, is it really too much to ask that Acura turns the TSX into a M3 competitor? I think a perfect benchmark for the '09 TSX would have been the M3 in terms of power and dynamics, I am, of course, speaking of the 1995 E36 M3...

archknight

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080218/ANA04/802180311/1203

Apparently none of you have read this article yet. Acura is planning to release a new model every year for the next 5 years, in essence would could be seeing the K23T/V6/SH-AWD Type-S version of the TSX sooner than we think. Hopefully they will also revive the CL, which I thought the ASCC (which I would love to get my hands on) was the perfect concept for a new one and that they return the NSX to a MR platform. Here's to keeping my fingers crossed on this news.

archknight

I tested the link above afterwards to make sure it works, but for some reason this one does.

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...802180311/1203

SpicyMikey

Acura keeps asserting that they will be releasing a new car a year over the next several years. I think it's a good assumption one of those will be a coupe. I'm guessing it will be off the TSX. I wouldn't be surprised to see a convertible based on the TSX also. With an almost certain TSX-S in the near future, I think you TSX lovers will have some more choices in the next 1-3 years.

dom

dom

I don't get it either. Totally different cars.

dom

I'm pretty sure Honda distributes Acura up here. If thats what you meant?

Acura's are just overpriced up here as are most other cars. They charge that much because they can.

dom

Re-read the post, it says Canada at the top.

dom

I hated all those "rough engine" threads we've been seeing for the last 5 years. Almost as many of those "This car Needs more power" threads.



Do you really think you'll feel 8 lb-ft with the added weight? I'm sure the 09 will be just as quick as an 08 due to the added torque and better gearing. But should just as quick been the goal? There wouldn't be enough time in the week if I had to go through this board and count all the threads that centered on the TSX's lack of power.

Power1Pete

Too bad the TSX only match the performance of the 1986 E30 M3.

5thTo2nd

Actually, as long as someone has the money, I don't see any problem with anyone cross-shopping any type of vehicle.

Some people don't say to themselves, "I need a sports sedan."
Instead, they say "I've got $30-$40k to spend, how should I spend it?"
That's where compromises come into play and going from 4 doors to 2 might be one of them.

Acura should consider lowering the base price of the TSX, especially when the base price of "tier 1" Lexus starts out lower.

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

See, and that's just stupid. Like I said, I have had to deal with more people who didn't have a clue what they needed in a car than I care to remember. People don't think before they make these types of big decisions. The right way to make the decision is to figure out what one needs, wants, and can do without, then find vehicles that match the description first. Then you start eliminating cars based on the price.

Looking at a price range is where people get themselves into trouble and end up with a case of buyers remorse.

And regardless of all this, I still ask, why the fuck would anyone looking for a 4-door sedan consider the tiny ass 1-series coupe?

BTW, the Lexus has a base price that is lower only in Canada and that has more to do with the recent rise in the value of the Canadian dollar and associated price adjustments than anything else. I imagine that when the new TSX is released in Canada, the price will be adjusted accordingly.

SpicyMikey

I think that way of buying a car is clearly a minority. I'd have to assume most people shop based on functional need, not by price tag. Price becomes a limiting factor in your choices, but you zero in on the choices based on your requirements. I can't imagine someone is cross shopping a BMW 128, and TSX, and Toyota Tundra SR5, all because they are around the same price. That can't be true

dom

No chance. Honda did nothing with pricing on the new Accord or anything else for that matter. Toyota lowered pricing pretty much across the board as did Chrysler.

Acura will just continue to offer incentives like no charge Nav etc.

Besides, all the outrage regarding Canadian pricing being too high considering our dollar has died down and people have just accepted it and moved on.

CGTSX2004

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Wow...who are the fucking morons running the show at Honda these days? Bad business decisions across the board. They really want to fail, don't they?