2010 TSX - V6 engine confirmed
02-16-2009, 06:48 PM
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I was talking to a potential client this morning about an RDX. She works for one of our two refineries here in HI and she says (yeah right) she doesn't get free gas. I found it funny when she said 'I know whats going to happen this summer.... [stammer] ... I mean ... I think I know what's going to happen..." to the price of gas.
02-16-2009, 07:05 PM
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I was talking to a potential client this morning about an RDX. She works for one of our two refineries here in HI and she says (yeah right) she doesn't get free gas. I found it funny when she said 'I know whats going to happen this summer.... [stammer] ... I mean ... I think I know what's going to happen..." to the price of gas.
02-16-2009, 07:37 PM
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Gas always goes up in the summer, it's just a question of how much. I don't think they'll hit $4 this time around. Supposedly speculators drove the price up beyond what it would otherwise be worth and and during the credit binge everything was over valued.
02-16-2009, 07:54 PM
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Oh and yeah, I'd guess she meant it's going up....
02-16-2009, 09:59 PM
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As long as the economy is in the tank, I don't think gas will get near $4. $150 oil was actually a bubble that wasn't supported by supply and demand fundamentals, so I doubt we'll see prices at those levels again for quite some time.
02-17-2009, 01:04 AM
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Supply and demand applies because OPEC tries to choke off supply in order to increase the price. Demand fell because gas got too high, the world economy melted, and countries like the US and China used less of it.
02-17-2009, 07:07 AM
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This is what I had hoped the V6 was going to look like.
http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCORD/webcat...ext/index.html
Nothing too dramatic but enough to set it apart from the 4 cylinder. I can't wait to see if they do any further changes to the Type-S being shown at Geneva.
http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCORD/webcat...ext/index.html
Nothing too dramatic but enough to set it apart from the 4 cylinder. I can't wait to see if they do any further changes to the Type-S being shown at Geneva.
02-17-2009, 08:31 AM
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Opec has actually had little to do with the price spike and subsequent collapse.
02-17-2009, 08:53 AM
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The only difference is Clear indicator lenses. The rest is just sport kit and 18inch wheels. We have to wait for MMC for any significant changes in shape and tech package. or may be diesel. I will be the first to jump into diesel. MMC is i think two years. around end of next year 2010.
02-17-2009, 02:06 PM
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So I get email about this: are they saying its going to have 280 or are they just mentioning it?
The upcoming arrival of the 2010 TSX V-6 adds a bold, new engine choice to the TSX lineup. In addition to the more powerful 280-hp, 3.5-liter VTEC® V-6 engine, it has more aggressive gearing and retuned suspension. And exclusive 18-inch wheels will turn a few heads while sweetening the handling. It's the same great TSX. Now with more engine. Available this summer.
The upcoming arrival of the 2010 TSX V-6 adds a bold, new engine choice to the TSX lineup. In addition to the more powerful 280-hp, 3.5-liter VTEC® V-6 engine, it has more aggressive gearing and retuned suspension. And exclusive 18-inch wheels will turn a few heads while sweetening the handling. It's the same great TSX. Now with more engine. Available this summer.
02-17-2009, 03:39 PM
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02-17-2009, 08:31 PM
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I saw a conspiracy by the Dems to get the Reps out of office. They tanked the economy to show 'how bad off' we were but unfortunately pushed to far and 'broke' it. Now they're scratching their heads and wondering what to do...
Oh and yeah, I'd guess she meant it's going up....
Oh and yeah, I'd guess she meant it's going up....
02-17-2009, 08:43 PM
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02-17-2009, 11:07 PM
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I'll tell you why you're wrong.
90% of all oil reserves are held by state governments... groups like OPEC release or withhold oil depending upon what the prices are. The U.S. pumps about the same amount of oil as we did in 1947 though our economy is 8 times larger. China, until very recently, fixed the price of gas and used their currency reserves to pay the difference between market rates and pump prices so domestically their usage skyrocketed while in the U.S. where consumers paid market prices, our usage decreased. In fact, Chinese refiners were going broke because the price of oil shot up to nearly $150 per barrel while the government fixed the price about $100 per barrel less. Also, the U.S. dollar depreciated to such a point that it cost more to buy the oil than if the dollar had been strong. Furthermore, India was also increasing its usage of oil.
According to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission:
"an appreciation of the value of existing investments caused by the rise in crude oil prices and not the result of more money flowing into commodity index trading."
Supply and demand. Now that prices have fallen below what most OPEC countries consider their break even point, they have announced even more production cuts... causing oil to increase in price.
In fact, during the Asian financial crisis during the 90s oil prices fell through the floor because countries in Asia - namely China - were not using much of it at all which created a huge glut of supply. And during this era of cheap oil U.S. demand for imported oil shot up and remained that way. When Asia - namely China - began using more of it supply went down. Globally the world uses about 86 million barrels per day and supply is only a little higher than that.
It's easier for politicians to blame some traders in London than to show that more supply or less demand is the solution because the Democrats would rather die than drill for more oil and they don't have the stomach to tax oil to the point where demand would decrease.
90% of all oil reserves are held by state governments... groups like OPEC release or withhold oil depending upon what the prices are. The U.S. pumps about the same amount of oil as we did in 1947 though our economy is 8 times larger. China, until very recently, fixed the price of gas and used their currency reserves to pay the difference between market rates and pump prices so domestically their usage skyrocketed while in the U.S. where consumers paid market prices, our usage decreased. In fact, Chinese refiners were going broke because the price of oil shot up to nearly $150 per barrel while the government fixed the price about $100 per barrel less. Also, the U.S. dollar depreciated to such a point that it cost more to buy the oil than if the dollar had been strong. Furthermore, India was also increasing its usage of oil.
According to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission:
"an appreciation of the value of existing investments caused by the rise in crude oil prices and not the result of more money flowing into commodity index trading."
Supply and demand. Now that prices have fallen below what most OPEC countries consider their break even point, they have announced even more production cuts... causing oil to increase in price.
In fact, during the Asian financial crisis during the 90s oil prices fell through the floor because countries in Asia - namely China - were not using much of it at all which created a huge glut of supply. And during this era of cheap oil U.S. demand for imported oil shot up and remained that way. When Asia - namely China - began using more of it supply went down. Globally the world uses about 86 million barrels per day and supply is only a little higher than that.
It's easier for politicians to blame some traders in London than to show that more supply or less demand is the solution because the Democrats would rather die than drill for more oil and they don't have the stomach to tax oil to the point where demand would decrease.
Much of the increase this past summer was caused by the increased demand of oil investors, not necessarily oil consumers. Although demand for oil consumption has decreased significantly since the summer, it hasn't decreased by an amount that would justify an over 70% decrease in price. The commodity bubble burst and investors have sold much of their energy positions.
Opec has actually had little to do with the price spike and subsequent collapse.
Opec has actually had little to do with the price spike and subsequent collapse.
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02-18-2009, 12:14 AM
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Also, you mention that the Opec production cuts have increased oil prices. Since crude is at $35 per barrel right now, I fail to see how the cuts have resulted in any appreciable change in oil prices over the past few months.
Finally, I agree with you concerning the need for more drilling.
02-18-2009, 02:00 AM
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While I am sure that speculation contributed somewhat I think that amount to be very small. Interestingly enough, the day after Pres. Bush signed the Exec. Order repealing offshore drilling (which was itself a symbolic act) oil prices began to fall. The world knew the Democrats wouldn't allow for drilling and his action at least sent a signal that things might change... of course they haven't.
Oil has gone close to $41 per barrel but each time OPEC cuts more bad economic news comes out and undermines their shifts. Also even though there have been cuts (maybe oil would be at $25 per barrel had there been no cuts) the market knows that oil is being stored in tankers until the price rises.
In the end I find it tough to believe that speculators can drive the price of oil up to $150 per barrel when we are talking about 86 million barrels per day and Chinese consumers were buying subsidized fuel.
Oil has gone close to $41 per barrel but each time OPEC cuts more bad economic news comes out and undermines their shifts. Also even though there have been cuts (maybe oil would be at $25 per barrel had there been no cuts) the market knows that oil is being stored in tankers until the price rises.
In the end I find it tough to believe that speculators can drive the price of oil up to $150 per barrel when we are talking about 86 million barrels per day and Chinese consumers were buying subsidized fuel.
Long-term, the price is determined by supply and demand fundamentals. However, some of the massive short-term fluctuations are caused by commodity market fluctuations. The 70% drop in oil prices that occurred during the second half of 2008 was not caused solely by a change in supply and demand fundamentals. Your argument presupposes that investors are always rational and markets are always in equilibrium; however, bubbles can exist for periods of time and 2008 was the year of the commodity bubble.
Also, you mention that the Opec production cuts have increased oil prices. Since crude is at $35 per barrel right now, I fail to see how the cuts have resulted in any appreciable change in oil prices over the past few months.
Finally, I agree with you concerning the need for more drilling.
Also, you mention that the Opec production cuts have increased oil prices. Since crude is at $35 per barrel right now, I fail to see how the cuts have resulted in any appreciable change in oil prices over the past few months.
Finally, I agree with you concerning the need for more drilling.
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02-18-2009, 06:06 PM
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While researching the demise of Saturn I discovered this data on the Sky's engines:
Base i4 177 hp, 170 lb ft, 20/28 mpg
Redline i4turbo 260 hp, 260 lb ft, 22/31 mpg
They were able to raise hp, torque AND mpg. I am starting to see why people were wanting a turbo (I was never a fan of the whining noise that the RDX made). Their i4 is similar to the TSX's - just short on hp & my guess is that their turbo will get less hp, = torque but more mpg than the upcoming v6 which sounds like a winner to me.
Redline i4turbo 260 hp, 260 lb ft, 22/31 mpg
02-18-2009, 06:22 PM
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I was talking to a potential client this morning about an RDX. She works for one of our two refineries here in HI and she says (yeah right) she doesn't get free gas. I found it funny when she said 'I know whats going to happen this summer.... [stammer] ... I mean ... I think I know what's going to happen..." to the price of gas.
02-18-2009, 08:55 PM
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While researching the demise of Saturn I discovered this data on the Sky's engines:
Base i4 177 hp, 170 lb ft, 20/28 mpg
Redline i4turbo 260 hp, 260 lb ft, 22/31 mpg
They were able to raise hp, torque AND mpg. I am starting to see why people were wanting a turbo (I was never a fan of the whining noise that the RDX made). Their i4 is similar to the TSX's - just short on hp & my guess is that their turbo will get less hp, = torque but more mpg than the upcoming v6 which sounds like a winner to me.Redline i4turbo 260 hp, 260 lb ft, 22/31 mpg
We'll be seeing quite a few Turbos in the upcoming years. Ford has pretty much bet the farm on Turbos.
02-19-2009, 12:14 PM
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This isn't the 'updated' TSX, it's just a new engine option. The real Mid Model Change (MMC) will be in Year 4 as usual. It is then that I predict that Acura will disappoint you by not adding LED tails.
02-19-2009, 12:15 PM
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02-19-2009, 12:48 PM
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02-19-2009, 12:54 PM
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nobody knows for sure, but G1 got MMC in 2006 right? That was earlier than most Acura product. G2 TL went 99, 00, 01 the same and 02 and 03 were post MMC. G3 TL was the same pattern. I was thinking that 09, 10, 11 would be the same and 12-13 would be MMC.
02-19-2009, 01:08 PM
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http://www.whatcar.com/used-car-summary.aspx?rt=2611
So MMC was at year 4. Current 2G TSX and EuroAccord was launched at similar time frame. I am expectiving Spring of 2011 as 2012 model year. At that time competition would have moved more ahead. Like New IS/HS250H
02-19-2009, 01:34 PM
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