Jacobpockros

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I wonder that's more of a loss than when I ran an 07ish SL65 AMG when I was stock....

civicdrivr

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Those M coupes would run 13s stock. They were light as hell and nimble. With a turbo, the SL65 would be lunch meat for it. The pre-01 models had the S52 engine out of the E36 M3 rated at 246hp, but the 01-02s had the S54 with 315hp. BUT! The S54 motor is not the one you want, they had problems. The S52 is the safer bet and can make big power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xc5eY5qFJc

Im trying to find a moderately powered M coupe vid on youtube, but they all seem to have 6-700rwhp, including one on stock internals

Jacobpockros

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Eat them for lunch? No. Were talking about one with around 500hp, not 700

civicdrivr

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500hp in a 3200lb hatchback

vs

604hp in a 4600lb yacht

Doesnt seem difficult to figure out who the winner would be.

Jacobpockros

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That yacht has 738lbs of torque

It hits the quarter in the high 11's on street tires.

Yes, it would be a close race. The bmw could win, but it wouldn't annihilate it like what your describing.

civicdrivr

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The 03-08 SL65s run 12s stock, not 11s.

All that torque is meaningless in a car that as an obtrusive traction control system that you cant fully disable.

Jacobpockros

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No, your wrong. They can run high 11's stock:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-22258.html

This one even ran a mid 11 stock:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-22473.html

Again, yes it would be a very close race. The SL65's don't dick around

civicdrivr

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Shocking, there are actual videos attached.

Thats impressive, but my money is still on the M coupe.

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M-Coupe-Timeslip-2653.html

Only 468rwhp

Jacobpockros

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I didn't even have to look at the mods, I scrolled to the bottom of the page and behold, drag tires. Put those on the mercedes and it's close.

CH46ESeaKnight

I love anything AMG, but I'd put my money on the M.

10.7 @ 134 to a 11.5 @ 120 Thats a lot faster. As far as the drag tires go, the 60 ft time is only off by 2 tenths. So even if the Merc could put down the power with the TQ managment it might pick up 3 tenths. M would still best the AMG by a good bit. So I would not call a 11.3 to a 10.7 close.

Weight is a HUGE factor in a race.

civicdrivr

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With a 1.8s 60ft time on the Benz, drag tires aren't going to pick up another second at the end of the track.

And look at the trap speeds, theres a big difference right there.

As far as mods on the Bimmer go, it had pistons and a turbo kit. Everything else was stock, motor-wise.

Jacobpockros

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Here is a slip of a stock SL65 with drag radials, they weren't even slicks. He ran an 11.270 @123mph:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-17908.html

Even then, losing by .495 isn't even a kill, it's only around 2 cars, maybe a car and a half.

Also, just for shits and giggles, this modded one ran a 10.853 with a 1.583 60ft time:
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-7670.html

CH46ESeaKnight

Still a 11 mph and 10 mph advantage That IS a lot of extra speed at the end of the 1/4. When talking about 10 and 11 second cars, a half a second is huge on the drag strip. This ain't street racing where you messure by how many car lengnths you win or loose buy.

No doubt the AMG is a beast but it would need about (@ 4100lb) 780 hp to keep up with a 3100 lbs M coupe/roadster with 500whp in the quarter.

I've won a few races and lost a few races on the 1/4 by .5 and it was a lot more then 2 cars.


On my budget I have been looking at the E55 AMG. Pretty stout car for under 30K. Just not sure about the maint. cost.

Jacobpockros

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I've lost by half a second too and it was around 2 cars I'd say. I used to like mercedes, but I lost interest when they dropped the manual transmissions. Same as what ferrari did, I just don't even care about those cars anymore. I can tell you this though, the build quality of a benz in incredible, they ace everything in their interiors and hold their resale value very well compared to other cars out there. They also have better paint quality than any other car hands down.

civicdrivr

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Im done here.

CH46ESeaKnight

Ok, I get what you are saying. But it's all subjective. For me when we are talking about 10-11 second cars a .495 win IS A ASS WOOPING. And 11 mph is huge. Do you know how much extra power or weight reduction it would take to shave .495 in a 11 second car. We are not talking about a broke IMRC or bad motor mounts here. We are talking about serious jumps in performance (Power, traction, and or weight reduction) to go from 11.0 to a 10.5 in one of the two cars we are talking about.

But if you don't think .495 is a big win when talking about cars this fast then you would not agree with him or me. Like I said, you argument is based on your subjective opinion not a fact. Yes the fact here is the .495 loss to the M, but you saying its not a big win is subjective.

I hope that was simple enough, I know i repeted myself many times there. Just trying different ways of saying the same thing hoping one way or another would click.

phee

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hurt an is300 with an exhaust from the light today. put about 2 cars on him to 60

civicdrivr

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I can't keep up with these whippersnappers and their damn street talk.

The only point that you made is that you regularly disregard actual sources to try to pump up your argument. Resale value had nothing to do with an M coupe beating an SL65, you decided to bring that up, even though many publications and even MB owners would look at you like you were crazy for saying that.

As SeaKnight stated, .495 - aka HALF A FUCKING SECOND - is a huge difference when we're talking about a race thats over in less then 15 seconds.

Close in a quarter mile race is losing by 1/10th of a second. Losing by 1/2 a second is getting your ass handed to you, plain and simple.

civicdrivr

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Nice

Jacobpockros

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I find it funny how you say that I don't have any actual sources, when you yourself don't have any either. No need to be Hypocritical.


.495 seconds is not a huge loss, especially when comparing it to a car that is stock.

Also, here's one of streetKA's videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90NYUOjeJy4

He lost by .6 seconds and it's not a murder compared to something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQafQkw_mXE

StreetKA

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I raced my friend that he ran 14.4 with his slightly moded subaru wrx i did 13.9. I put on him like 3-4 car lenghts from 40-120. Dont say it is not a difference you. What are u trying to prove? I say WTF i cant take this bull shit anymore.

nelson98

Well, had my first WIN and my first LOSS today in my 02 TL-S (Injen CAI, Appearance mods).

The win was against a co-worker's supercharged cobalt SS (stock) who wouldn't stop talking about how fast his car was. So, I finally wanted to shut him up cause I was tired of hearing the same story day after day.

From a dig I had about 4 car lengths when I let off at 80, 20-100 I had him by 2. He called it quits after that.

Lost to an STi on the way home (which I knew would happen).

Oh well, all in good fun!

CH46ESeaKnight

Here you go O wise one. Some more facts for you.

@100 mph .5 seconds you would cover 73 feet. The CLS is about 16 feet long, so 73 divided by 16 is about 4.6. So that would be just about 4.5 car lenths. Not 2. .

And at 130 mph as the M did vs the AMG's 119 or so (IIRC) the distance covered in Half a second would be 95 feet. Now I'll guess the M is just a bit shorter at 14 feet (just and guestimate) that would be 6.7 cars. THATS A ASS WOOPING IN THE 1/4!

Now you could call it 3.6 cars (CLS) since we ussually call from our back bumper to thier front bumper. So subtract your own car length. Same with the M coupe. So 5.7. Still a big win

How much more do you want! No one is dogging the AMG. Just your dumb ass claims. They are stating facts, you are stating unsubstantiated claims. You said the AMG's have better resale then most. Well, as Morgan proved with links from the auto appraisal experts they do not in fact have better resale value them most.


Ok waiting to see how you argue with that!

Here is a link to the calculator I used. So if you wann play around with it and use you exact speeds and times.

http://www.calculatoredge.com/civil%...nce%20Time.htm

Jacobpockros

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I don't consider 4.6 lengths a slaughter when were comparing a car that's been totally beefed out vs one driven off the lot with not a penny extra.

Also, I really hope your not trying to convince me that mercedes have bad resale value compared to other cars because I just layed down more information than both of your halfass claims combined. Go back and read my post big guy

Also, do you really thing the bimmer would be able to keep traction with street tires vs the mercedes that was built for it in a street tire race? I am really interested to see your reply to that.

CH46ESeaKnight

I knew you would find some kind of excuse! Now you are changing the rules for the cars. You compared a stock AMG to a very modded M coupe. So the mods on the M are irrelevant. So what do you consider a good win in the 1/4? Let me guess, a minimum of 4.7 cars. So thats why the 4.6 won't do? Or is it like ten cars to be a good win. Really, what would you consider a good win or ass wooping in the 1/4?

Just out of curiosity what do you do for a living? Let me dummy that down for you, what kind of job do you have. As you know you don't have to answer that but I'm just curiuos what kind of work you do.

Jacobpockros

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How am I changing the rules for the cars? lol, your talking out of your butt. We were talking about a modded M vs a Stock 65 this whole time. Did you really forget that? 4.6 car lengths behind isn't bad for a car that's stock vs one that's modded up the ass. At the end of the day, there still hauling ass across the finish line doing over a buck 20. Want to try to disprove that? I know you like to always hunt for something to whine about.

DaInFaMMuS1

Guys, seriously, cut the BS. Alot of what you're arguing about is going to be subjective from diff points of view so this can go on forever. Now please posts about ur wins/losses or something similar, cuz none of u own a turbo bimmer or an SL whatever AMG. K? Thaaaanks

CH46ESeaKnight

Oh ok,

"Modern Medicine", Yup that is where I go to find out about hemroids like you, not car advice! Since when did they become a authority on automotive info?

"Keelermotor car" Well brainiac they are only talking about a new models with the CDI engine. So yes it may hold better value. From thier web site."Mercedes passenger cars occupy the peak positions in eight of the market segments analysed, and are therefore generally regarded as the cars with the highest value retention in Germany" News flash this is the USA! I can't find one article that show MB hold the top eight spots, not even close! Parts cost more, labor cost more. Many people are afraid of imports such as a AMG with no warranty and very costly parts and labor in the US. Of course they will retain more value in thier home country. Besides who has ever heard of Keelermotor? Oh and look at who is quoted as giving the info about a large German auto maker "Bähr & Fess Forecast in Saarbrücken" A Germany company! Go figure.

Cars.com, well that seems to be a good source. However I would like to point out is says "(excluding ultraluxury models) (assuming three years of ownership). Such as a AMG i guess? Also what happens after the three years and there is no warranty left?


emgtech? Never heard of them either. Besides they only show one very odd ball, taylored to the rich that want a very fast very ugly emissions producing factory, MB in the drive way. G55 AMG. Funny how all these sources are so far off on thier estimates from one another.

Credit Plus? Seems like a decent article. But only mentions the all new SLK. And guess what, in another coutry. UK!

Swiss cheese any one?

Try looking at the companies that are dedicated to automotive values in the US.

http://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the-...tegory-winners

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/b...rs.html#sedans

http://www.jdpower.com/autos

NADA

But thanks, now I have a good source next time I have heart burn

The internet is just like TV dude, just cause it's on the net does not make it true. Consider the sources! Modern medicine? Really?

StreetKA

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guys just ignore him thats the best the way to go its not worth to argue with the person like him... its like argueing with a girl and she always find the way to prove she's "right" and at the end you will just agree with her just to let it go

CH46ESeaKnight

My bad, dainfummis, I was already typing all that before you posted your warning.


I did race a Contour SVT awhile back and thought he would have put up a better fight. It was pretty bad. I beat him by like 4.6 cars in the 1/4! I thought is was a ass wooping myself :devilgrin

Jacobpockros

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Yesterday, I raced a cayenne in my volvo and got spanked. He gave me a thumbs up afterward and complimented my car lol

inspiron0937

don't mean to bring up any mb vs. bmw references again but...
killed clk350 from a light
got killed by 135i on highway

CH46ESeaKnight

Thoes 135i's are somthing else man. Even in stock form they run pretty darn good! How bad was your loss?

inspiron0937

yea it was pretty bad, we went through the ezpass lanes at the same time at around 15mph and he just flew off till like 100mph I was flooring and my intake was screaming haha. he had an exhaust and some rims looked like rpf1's, dunno if it was chipped prolly not

DaInFaMMuS1

Don't be surprised if it wasn't chipped, 300hp/300tq from factory in that little frame makes for 1 quick ride.

Latest race in the M3 was against an 09 328i. I handled him pretty easily, he just kept trying. I guess he didn't think my elder bmw should be beating his lol.

CH46ESeaKnight

What is your M3? E36? I always liked that body style. Have you raced any 2nd gen CLSs? In a straight line? I think I know what would happen in the twisties!

Jacobpockros

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He has a 4-door e36. I've compared 0-100mph youtube videos of CLS-6's and e36's and from what I've seen, the e36's get to 60 quicker, but the CLS-6's start pulling harder in 3rd gear, pulling an overall faster 0-100mph time.

CLBoss

Wins - 01 Honda Accord sedan, Mustang Cobra, 95 Honda Accord with Cold air intake, 98 Honda Accord Coupe racing wheels.

Losses - 01 Mustang GT, 98 Honda Prelude with exhaust and 92 Dodge Stealth

Ties- None.

Never Scared! Down for Any Race

Jacobpockros

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What mods do you have? Are you 6-Speed?

CLBoss

I didnt even know 1st Gen came in 6 speed. Believe it or not theres no mods, I Got lucky lucky lucky against the cobra, he wouldn't pass any of the other cars, i bobbed and weaved through the traffic. and its 5 speed btw.