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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 02:21 PM
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after a month (1500 miles), i started experiencing the dreaded creak as well -
exactly as some of you describe: on turning, going up/down inclines, even going
over bumps. i took the car to the dealer on monday and was told i was the first person to complain about this?!

in any case, all they did was "remove track bolts, seat bolts, applied shin-etzu grease to reduce noise". and amazingly,
the noise is gone (for now).

i just don't want the creak to come back; it is very, very annoying!!!
"Shin-Etzu" grease??!! Ha! The noise can be mitigated by readjusting the bolts that attach the rails; I dont know what - if anything - that this 'grease' does!
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 05:25 PM
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"Shin-Etzu" grease??!! Ha! The noise can be mitigated by readjusting the bolts that attach the rails; I dont know what - if anything - that this 'grease' does!
considering i've been driving in peace for the past few days, and the "fix" was free, who am i to complain? after reading through the previous messages, it seems all you men do is bitch/complain!
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 07:49 PM
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If you consider driving across town in heavy traffic, having to relinquish a new car that, for many of us, is a sizeable purchase, maybe even having to take time off of work, as being "free", then yes, we're just bitching and complaining. If you haven't been inconvenienced, good for you. Some of us have busy schedules and place a value on our time.

On the other hand, some of us have an apparently unreasonable expectation that our new Acuras be free from defects, especially when other cars, costing half as much, did not exhibit the same problems. Some of us are so demanding that we expect our new Acuras not to squeak and make other sounds normally associated with cars well beyond being new....
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 09:28 PM
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Regarding my last message, I'm afraid I misinterpreted the one it was replying to. Please feel free to ignore it.....
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 09:36 PM
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my 06 tsx also had this problem. took it in on monday, they installed some foam tape under the seat, has been fine so far. hopefully it stays that way.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nbp_9103
considering i've been driving in peace for the past few days, and the "fix" was free, who am i to complain? after reading through the previous messages, it seems all you men do is bitch/complain!
You may consider it 'bitching and complaining'; but I believe that a new car with a reputation for quality shouldnt have seats that creak and squeak. And while your 'free fix' was obviously not an inconvenience to you, my dealer is an hour away from me and it would require significant time and effort to take the car there for something that shouldnt be an issue in the first place. Finally, I believe that this forum (as well as some others for other automobiles) serve a much more positive function than you allude to. It gives owners the chance to discuss issues and problems that can lead to solutions and they also provide the manufacturers with insights into problems that may be all too common - like this one.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 08:58 AM
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I did notice that the squeak does not happen in the mornings when the car is cold..it tends to happen in the afternoon when it has been sitting outside in the sun all day and the interior is warm.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 10:06 AM
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You may consider it 'bitching and complaining'; but I believe that a new car with a reputation for quality shouldnt have seats that creak and squeak. And while your 'free fix' was obviously not an inconvenience to you, my dealer is an hour away from me and it would require significant time and effort to take the car there for something that shouldnt be an issue in the first place. Finally, I believe that this forum (as well as some others for other automobiles) serve a much more positive function than you allude to. It gives owners the chance to discuss issues and problems that can lead to solutions and they also provide the manufacturers with insights into problems that may be all too common - like this one.
No kidding. Frankly I'm disappointed with the '06 so far -- creaking seat, sunroof rattle (silicon spray helps but doesn't eliminate it), streaking wipers (dealer swapped them with new wipers from another '06 sitting on lot -- still have to use RainX on a very regular basis). I'm actually driving around with a rachet wrench on the floor behind the drivers seat for periodic (futile) adjustments!

I still have a thumping from the rear end but can't fault Acura as it may very well be my Comptech RSB w/ ES Poly bushing. My dealer is nearby but I hate taking my car to dealers unless absolutely necessary.

Don't get me wrong, I think the TSX is a great car and for the money there were very few options for me -- just a little disappointing given the reputation. I have a 99 4Runner that's pretty much had zero problems since I bought it new.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 10:08 AM
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Red face mea culpa

Originally Posted by docray1
You may consider it 'bitching and complaining'; but I believe that a new car with a reputation for quality shouldnt have seats that creak and squeak. And while your 'free fix' was obviously not an inconvenience to you, my dealer is an hour away from me and it would require significant time and effort to take the car there for something that shouldnt be an issue in the first place. Finally, I believe that this forum (as well as some others for other automobiles) serve a much more positive function than you allude to. It gives owners the chance to discuss issues and problems that can lead to solutions and they also provide the manufacturers with insights into problems that may be all too common - like this one.
as i PM'd to johnnyC, i didn't mean to offend. perhaps my personality doesn't translate well to internet comuncation. i was merely kidding. peace?
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 10:39 AM
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Hi all,

I just called in the issue to Acura. I was told by the rep that she does not have a prior record of anyone reporting it. Interestingly enough, she said that:
a) The dealer should have worked on fixing this issue no matter how many times I've been in before for the same issue, and should have called it in to Acura.
b) The service rep at the dealer had no way of finding out the information that she claimed she did, which was the so far 7 seat related issues had been called in, of which 1 was describing the creak. But maybe she was referring to just her dealership, I don't know.

Anyway... if we want Acura to investigate this and issue a service bulletin, let's do us all a favor...CALL IT IN TO ACURA!!! - (800) 382-2238
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nbp_9103
as i PM'd to johnnyC, i didn't mean to offend. perhaps my personality doesn't translate well to internet comuncation. i was merely kidding. peace?
PEACE! Mea Culpa accepted; we are all on the same page anyway in trying to get our cars fixed. Now, wouldnt it be nice if Acura were listening???
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 10:50 AM
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I took my 06 in today to get the squeeky seat checked out and to have them fix the rattle with the power mirror control whenever the radio plays bass music. I got into the 06 loaner, and sure enough, it has the same damn problems!!!
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 06:12 PM
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Got my car back today and they fixed all squeeks and rattles! All the invoice says is that they lubricated the seat. I know cuz I saw some white grease on the carpet and some slight dirt smudge on the door pillar! Hoping the quiet will last.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 10:33 PM
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I got my car back yesterday. They replaced the railing and, so far, the seat is nice and quiet. We'll see how long it lasts. I should add that I printed out this thread and they found it to be very useful....
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 11:02 PM
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hmmm?!! now I have to make a compilation list of both the 06 TSX issues and the 06 A3 issues. to see which is the best of two evils. I favor the TSX overall but coming from an 00 and 01 Accord with similar issues the new car is supposed to be a step up. But it seems like problems aren't easy to elude these days.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 11:24 PM
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hmmm?!! now I have to make a compilation list of both the 06 TSX issues and the 06 A3 issues. to see which is the best of two evils. I favor the TSX overall but coming from an 00 and 01 Accord with similar issues the new car is supposed to be a step up. But it seems like problems aren't easy to elude these days.
A bit off topic. I test drove the A3 once before I got the TSX, it was a blast to drive in a straight line but I never really got to try out the twisties. I decided against it because of looks, supposed reliability, seemlingly less interior room and cost.

My previous car was a 95 Jetta VR6 - it was at the dealership a lot during the first few years but served me well until the end. Don't know anything about the A3 reliability.
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Old Mar 18, 2006 | 11:38 AM
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One of my friends has an 04 TL, and he mentioned his seat squeeks too when turning and shifting weight. Does anyone know if the TL forum has been complaining about this too?
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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 10:55 PM
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Trust me when I say it will be back! That's what they did to mine and about 3 weeks later it's back stronger than ever...They did call today and they rails are back in stock. I'm having mine swapped in the morning...
You were right, it came back 18 days later.

I am going to take my TSX in for the first oil change and service tomorrow. I'm not sure what I can say to them as a recommendation.

If my count is right, 48 members have posted problems with the squeak. A number of people have talked about rail replacement although for some the sound came back, some talked about lower seat replacement but for some the sound came back, some talked about rail adjustment but the sound came back, some talked about lubrication but the sound came back.

The ones that talked about foam tape being applied have not posted any additional problems that I read. Perhaps this is a more permanent temporary fix.

I'm not expecting a fix tomorrow as they are just fitting me in on the weekend to do the first service but I will make a point of asking them to come up with an answer.

I love my TSX, by far the best car I have ever owned, but I will be really disappointed if they cannot find a fix for this.



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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 12:08 AM
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Really pissing me off!!!

My squeak is back too. The rail fix only worked for 2 weeks I owned a 1999 Ford F-150 until December 26th when I purchased my TSX. From 0-129,500 miles, this vehicle never had any interior rattling or squeaking sounds . Does anyone know if I can take this to a Honda dealer for this specific problem, as I can with others, or for this does it need to go back to the dealer? The reason I ask is the Honda dealer is 5 minutes from my house, the Acura dealer 1 hour. Thanks . LOVE THE CAR EXCEPT FOR THE SQUEAK.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 12:19 AM
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OK, so add me to this list. My 17yo son noticed it after I first purchased it a couple of weeks ago. It is annoying.

I'll report it to the number provided above and to my dealer.

It doesn't sound like there is a definitive fix yet for this...

Matt -
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 04:49 PM
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I went to the dealers today for the first oil change and mentioned that the squeak had returned, that at least 49 members on this site had the problem and talked about some of the solutions that had been tried and their respective successes.

They checked mine out again and they say that my squeak is in the seat hinge. They relubricated the seat hinge again and have ordered me a new hinge. They say that it is a big job to change it and expect that it will come in sometime mid week and will give me a loaner car.

I hope that this will be the permanent fix for my TSX. Otherwise the TSX is perfect for me.





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Old Mar 26, 2006 | 01:39 PM
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I have the exact same problem and planning to bring it back to the dealership and have them look at. After reading this thread, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's having this issue. So the solutions seems to be:

1) Lubricating seat track, base and side mount
2) Installing EPT Tape (What's EPT Tape?)
3) Replacing seat rail
4) Replace whole motorized seat track
5) Install foam tape
6) Replace seat hinge
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 09:47 AM
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I also had the creaky/squeaky seat problem in my 06; started at about 1600 miles kept getting worse. Took car in to dealer told him about the problem, he had never heard of it before. I watched while he checked online for service bulletin (didn't find one). Next he called Acura tech support, they were aware of problem and told him to order a new driver's seat frame. He ordered it, came in the following week. Took car back in for frame swapout (about 2 hours to do). We compared the old one to the new one by placing on concrete floor and pushing frame down and side to side. Old frame had some give and creaking, new frame was rock solid. After swap seat felt much tighter, no more creak and no give when making hard turns.
Very happy with Acura's handling of problem, (although they should issue a service bulletin). Only issue i have now is that the seat motor seems to make more noise when I move the seat , but since i am the only driver of the car and i now have the seat where i want it; I won't be moving it anymore. I will still have them check it out when i go in for oil change next month.
If problem returns I will be sure to repost, but I am confident that the problem has been solved.
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 10:07 AM
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Yeah....I had a similar experience. In my case they not only swapped the frame, but the entire motorized bottom half of the seat as well. Felt REALLY tight after install, rock solid. And the motor was a bit noisier. Creak came back 3 weeks later. With a vengeance.
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mobidutch
Yeah....I had a similar experience. In my case they not only swapped the frame, but the entire motorized bottom half of the seat as well. Felt REALLY tight after install, rock solid. And the motor was a bit noisier. Creak came back 3 weeks later. With a vengeance.
haha...

that sucks. doesn't seem like honda has pin-pointed the cause yet...
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 05:31 PM
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Yeah....I had a similar experience. In my case they not only swapped the frame, but the entire motorized bottom half of the seat as well. Felt REALLY tight after install, rock solid. And the motor was a bit noisier. Creak came back 3 weeks later. With a vengeance.

Guess i better keep my fingers crossed then! This is the 1st new car that i have ever had a problem with, and it is my 9th new car. I guess iam due for a minor problem.
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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Squeak is gone, but I fear its return...

So, I just picked my car up from the body shop (misfortunate accident almost three months to the day after I got her -- not my fault -- http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...ight=body+shop).

They removed the front seats to get all of the glass that was all over the interior of the car, and for now, the driver's seat squeak is gone; however, I do fear its return.

Another positive seems to be that, for now, I hear no windshield noise/rattle from the passenger side of the car. Sometimes, I used to hear a slight creak when I'd go over bumps in the road. I'm guessing this has something to do with getting a new windshield?

Good luck to all of you in getting rid of your squeaks, etc. I'm very pleased with my TSX, after 3+ months of ownership. However, if the seat squeak comes back, it'd be nice to get rid of it for good.
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by UNC05
So, I just picked my car up from the body shop (misfortunate accident almost three months to the day after I got her -- not my fault -- http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...ight=body+shop).

They removed the front seats to get all of the glass that was all over the interior of the car, and for now, the driver's seat squeak is gone; however, I do fear its return.

Another positive seems to be that, for now, I hear no windshield noise/rattle from the passenger side of the car. Sometimes, I used to hear a slight creak when I'd go over bumps in the road. I'm guessing this has something to do with getting a new windshield?

Good luck to all of you in getting rid of your squeaks, etc. I'm very pleased with my TSX, after 3+ months of ownership. However, if the seat squeak comes back, it'd be nice to get rid of it for good.
I sure hope that having a misfortunate accident is not the cure to the squeak!



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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 10:38 PM
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i got the same problem i will take it to the dealer when i go to pick up my plates on the car for now i just turn up the music, i have a 2006 that i bought last thursday
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 12:52 PM
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A New Fix - Mesh Covering Removed

Board,

I had the squeak as well and took my 06 into the dealer along with a print out of this thread... the Service manager mentioned they had tried replacing the entire seat base as well as the rail on two other 06's only to have the squeak return... INSTEAD, they offered this fix:


Apparently, in the '06, there is a mesh material that sits between the seat cushion and the seat springs. This mesh cover was not present in the '05 model.... so my dealer tried removing the mesh cover and placing the seat cushion back on the springs and so far so good! Its been about a week and no squeak yet. They've done this on another TSX and had success as well.


I'll post the dealer's notes once I get home and have the service notes in front of me.

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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 12:59 PM
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Board,

I had the squeak as well and took my 06 into the dealer along with a print out of this thread... the Service manager mentioned they had tried replacing the entire seat base as well as the rail on two other 06's only to have the squeak return... INSTEAD, they offered this fix:


Apparently, in the '06, there is a mesh material that sits between the seat cushion and the seat springs. This mesh cover was not present in the '05 model.... so my dealer tried removing the mesh cover and placing the seat cushion back on the springs and so far so good! Its been about a week and no squeak yet. They've done this on another TSX and had success as well.


I'll post the dealer's notes once I get home and have the service notes in front of me.

I wonder if we are dealing with 2 seperate noises from these seats. In my car, the noise clearly came from the seat rails and could be duplicated by lifting the outboard rail upward from outside the car. I have effectively reduced it by adjusting the mounting position of the rails as previously noted. It also seems that other owners are complaining of creaking that must be coming from where the leather meets the mounting springs. My car does this too, but I only notice it when I get into or out of the car. I have to wonder if/when Honda is going to finally acknowledge these problems and issue a TSB or recall. I am disappointed that something hasnt been done yet, given how prevalent the problem appears to be.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 02:16 PM
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Apparently, in the '06, there is a mesh material that sits between the seat cushion and the seat springs. This mesh cover was not present in the '05 model.... so my dealer tried removing the mesh cover and placing the seat cushion back on the springs and so far so good! Its been about a week and no squeak yet. They've done this on another TSX and had success as well.
Dude...thx for posting that. I am travelling now, but when I get back I am going to give that a shot. Because in my case, I could SWEAR the creaking is coming from the seat pad itself, not from anything under the seat. BTW, I was appalled at how loosely the seat pad is secured onto the base in my car. The leather has these white little hook thingies attached to it that look like they are supposed to hook onto something, but they're just hanging loose. I can easily lift up a corner of my seat pad.

Anyway, will post results Monday.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 03:20 PM
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I've now had mine back in 3X for the seat noise. Last time they replaced the rails and the creaking just came back over the last few days. I guess I will print this out and take it with me during my next appointment. I still cannot believe that Acura doesn't have a Service Bulletin out for this yet...
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 04:24 PM
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Acura, like other car companies, mails product quality surveys and CSI (Customer Satisfaction Index) forms to all new customers. I recommend that everyone who receives one of these forms should mention this problem and indicate in the box provided that they are unsatisfied with the vehicle. Because the CSI's are handled by an independent firm (along the lines of JD Power), Acura does not want negative statistical information made available to consumers, so hopefully they'll address this issue if enough people make them aware of it. I submitted mine about a month ago and haven't received a response yet. However, I do think this is a valid way to get their attention. As well, dealers and the sales folks are compensated by Acura for positive CSI results. If this affects their bottom line, they may complain to head office about providing a fix.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 06:06 PM
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Service Notes

OK,

Here are the service notes from my reciept:


"CLIENT STATES DRIVERS SEAT SQUEAKING WHILE DRIVING.
REMOVED SEAT, DISASSEMBLED, REMOVED SEAT INSULATOR SHEET IN BETWEEN FOAM AND METAL, SPRAYED SOAP AND WATER ON FOAM AND LET DRY 2 APPLICATIONS, REINSTALLED SEAT WITH NO SQUEAK. INSTALLED EPT FOAM AND FELT TAPE ON FRICTION POINTS."


So far, no squeak, hope this helps!
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 10:30 PM
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The foam tape seems to be a common themem for success. Unless I have missed it, I have not heard of anyone who had the foam tape installed, report that the squeak had returned.



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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 08:04 PM
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Mine has gotten worse since it has gotten warmer. I never notice it on cool mornings, but in the afternoon when it is warm, it's very apparent.

Since most that have taken it in haven't gotten a permanent fix, would I be better off just waiting until a TSB comes out and they know how to fix it correctly?
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ckiggins314
Mine has gotten worse since it has gotten warmer. I never notice it on cool mornings, but in the afternoon when it is warm, it's very apparent.

Since most that have taken it in haven't gotten a permanent fix, would I be better off just waiting until a TSB comes out and they know how to fix it correctly?
I've had good luck by adjusting the seat rails as they mount to the floor as I noted earlier in this thread. Until a permanent fix is known, this works just fine, is easy to do, and saves me a trip(s) to the dealer. Give it a try!
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 08:29 PM
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By the way, I would also suggest filing a complaint on this or any other problem on the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration's website.

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/

If enough owners report their problems through this government site, a quicker resolution may be at hand. In many cases a manufacturer doesn't know that a problem is widespread unless it is reported here. This could also help them to issue a TSB or even a recall if necessary.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 10:12 PM
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OK,

Here are the service notes from my reciept:


"CLIENT STATES DRIVERS SEAT SQUEAKING WHILE DRIVING.
REMOVED SEAT, DISASSEMBLED, REMOVED SEAT INSULATOR SHEET IN BETWEEN FOAM AND METAL, SPRAYED SOAP AND WATER ON FOAM AND LET DRY 2 APPLICATIONS, REINSTALLED SEAT WITH NO SQUEAK. INSTALLED EPT FOAM AND FELT TAPE ON FRICTION POINTS."


So far, no squeak, hope this helps!
Do you not have a squeak in thr rails?
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