2005 TSX Rumors/News -- Availability info from Justin P.21 *MSRP $26,990* Pg 22
#122
Originally Posted by STL
That comparison is WAY off dude! XM cost $$ while FM is free, whereas satellite TV (Dish and DirecTV) is cheaper than cable. Satellite TV is taking over some of cable's market share because they offer same product (essentially) for less money. The same cannot be said for XM. I don't see the need for XM radio once people have huge selections of music on harddrives (a la iPod) in their cars.
Now if XM were free, that's a different matter.
#123
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Sorry fellas, have to disagree, I wasn't a believer in XM either, but I just bought it for my wife's CR-V and it is freakin amazing. The selection, the variety, the sound quality...and I never realized how totally annoying commercials and lame-ass DJ's were to me until I could go with out them...
FM does not compare. I'd say once you get it you can't go without. Anyone else feel its hard to get in a car without it once you have it??
FM does not compare. I'd say once you get it you can't go without. Anyone else feel its hard to get in a car without it once you have it??
#124
I'm not sure what to think of XM. I don't have it, I don't drive long distances much, and I can put ~7 hours of custom burned CDs into the changer that will have only music of my liking that will not be running out anytime soon. That part of me says what the hell do I need XM for? But I look at other things through history, it's just a matter of time before it becomes a "necessity". Look at the shit people pay for that they don't need. My cable and internet alone is like $100 a month and I really don't need any of that, the ~$10 a month for XM would be an afterthought if I really felt it was worthwhile. People will pay $3-4 dollars for one cup of coffee, $6-8 for a mixed drink, I'm pretty sure they'll pay $10 a month for XM. I just won't be doing it, not for awhile anyway.
I think alot of people think they won't but that three month free trial gets them hooked. A major strategy is to get a big name on XM, talk radio-wise. Be it Howard Stern or a more political voice, I think that is what hooks people. Look at what HBO did. Ten years ago, you've got HBO, what is the hook? They show movies, and there's any number of premium channels that show movies. What's keeping me from switching to one of the other movie channels? Today, why do people get HBO? Sopranos. Sex and the City. Curb Your Enthusiasm. This is how they tie people to specifically HBO. I can get Showtime or Cinemax or The Movie Channel to see movies, but if I want to see Sopranos, I have to get HBO. Same thing with satellite radio I think. I can listen to a specific music genre on any number of FM stations or my own CDs, but if I want to listen to Howard Stern or whoever and he is only available on satellite, I've got no other option.
I do agree though that one of the two will fold or be bought by the other, but I think there is the market to support one.
I think alot of people think they won't but that three month free trial gets them hooked. A major strategy is to get a big name on XM, talk radio-wise. Be it Howard Stern or a more political voice, I think that is what hooks people. Look at what HBO did. Ten years ago, you've got HBO, what is the hook? They show movies, and there's any number of premium channels that show movies. What's keeping me from switching to one of the other movie channels? Today, why do people get HBO? Sopranos. Sex and the City. Curb Your Enthusiasm. This is how they tie people to specifically HBO. I can get Showtime or Cinemax or The Movie Channel to see movies, but if I want to see Sopranos, I have to get HBO. Same thing with satellite radio I think. I can listen to a specific music genre on any number of FM stations or my own CDs, but if I want to listen to Howard Stern or whoever and he is only available on satellite, I've got no other option.
I do agree though that one of the two will fold or be bought by the other, but I think there is the market to support one.
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
And to add to biker's bit, the engine from the RSX will never go in the TSX. It doesn't have enough torque for the heavier TSX.
we dont want the 210hp engine because its puts out way less TQ!!!
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Originally Posted by phile
And you can't directly compare the satellite vs. cable thing against FM vs. XM because, unless you plan to be in your car for a long time. FM is free and, believe it or not, can be tolerated. You have to pay for XM and it'll only benefit someone who has a long commute...and most of us don't. And even if I did I wouldn't pay for XM - I'd burn my own CD's and play what I want over and over, like I've always done.
Now if XM were free, that's a different matter.
Now if XM were free, that's a different matter.
When you have to take a long trip, XM really shines. I listen to jazz and between Atlanta and Detroit, there is only one jazz station. I get the music I want to listen to but when I am in the mood, I can switch to CNN, The Weather Channel, ESPN, or America Left. None of which you will find when you are traveling in rural Kentucky. I love my iPod but with XM I get variety.
#127
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Originally Posted by GA_TSX
XM may cost $ but it does compete against FM.
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Originally Posted by STL
I don't think anyone is arguing that. We just had a problem with the off-base comparison you tried to make to what's happened with TV.
#129
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Originally Posted by GA_TSX
I disagree my comparison to cable vs. dish and FM vs. XM/Sirius is off base. XM is taking listeners away from AM/FM just like dish is taking viewers away from cable. Right now the owners of radio stations are trying to prevent XM from broadcasting local traffic and weather. They are running scared because they saw what happened to cable especially once dish could carry local channels. Cost does not invalidate my comparison., it just one small part of the whole picture.
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Originally Posted by STL
The precise reason why 90+% of the people first switched from cable to dish was because the dish cost less! If dish would have been more, very few if any people would have bothered to make the switch. So like I said, your comparison just isn't a very good one.
Radio station owners see the same thing happening with radio that happened to cable and are trying to prevent any local specific broadcasts by XM. When people switch to XM that costs them ad revenues. And as local specific broadcasts are added, there will be more reason to switch to XM so you get the choice in programming and commercial free music channels.
#131
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I think the cable/dish analogy is bad for a couple of reasons. With XM you're going from 0 cost to something. Also, this is for your car - which means it only applies to a limited portion of the driving public.
The same issue applies to BT.
MP3 playback on the other hand would be a marketing advantage.
The same issue applies to BT.
MP3 playback on the other hand would be a marketing advantage.
#132
I think the comparison has valid points. When I'm in my car I listen to CDs or talk radio. With XM, you get way more talk radio options than with FM. News, sports talk, politics, etc., comes in clear no matter where you are. I'm all about options and choices, the more the better. XM is mon
I would be willing to pay extra for Direct TV over cable for the simple fact that Direct TV and the NFL have an exclusive agreement. With Direct TV, you can get the NFL ticket and see any game you like. Cable does not offer this, so you're stuck with the only games the cable service in your home market decides to show (usually only 2-3 games any given sunday). 2-3 choices vs. 13 or 14....I'll take the latter. In a similar fashion, your choices on FM are quite limited when compared to XM.
I would be willing to pay extra for Direct TV over cable for the simple fact that Direct TV and the NFL have an exclusive agreement. With Direct TV, you can get the NFL ticket and see any game you like. Cable does not offer this, so you're stuck with the only games the cable service in your home market decides to show (usually only 2-3 games any given sunday). 2-3 choices vs. 13 or 14....I'll take the latter. In a similar fashion, your choices on FM are quite limited when compared to XM.
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Originally Posted by JDubble97
I would be willing to pay extra for Direct TV over cable for the simple fact that Direct TV and the NFL have an exclusive agreement. With Direct TV, you can get the NFL ticket and see any game you like. Cable does not offer this, so you're stuck with the only games the cable service in your home market decides to show (usually only 2-3 games any given sunday).
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Originally Posted by biker
I think the cable/dish analogy is bad for a couple of reasons. With XM you're going from 0 cost to something. Also, this is for your car - which means it only applies to a limited portion of the driving public.
The same issue applies to BT.
MP3 playback on the other hand would be a marketing advantage.
The same issue applies to BT.
MP3 playback on the other hand would be a marketing advantage.
Bluetooth may get that way also as people get tired of drivers paying more attention to their phone than the road. You will see more laws passed allowing only handsfree operation of cell phones in cars. Bluetooth the best answer to handsfree operation of cell phones.
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Originally Posted by GA_TSX
Dish took off because for five reasons. 1) Federal law prohibited rules that prevented the installation of dishes at homes and apartments. 2) Choice of programming. 3) Increases in cable fees. 4) Local stations via dish. 5) Poor customer service and poor quality of service by cable providers. And in Atlanta, reason number 5 is why a HUGE majority of the people switched. Cost had very little to do with it.
Radio station owners see the same thing happening with radio that happened to cable and are trying to prevent any local specific broadcasts by XM. When people switch to XM that costs them ad revenues. And as local specific broadcasts are added, there will be more reason to switch to XM so you get the choice in programming and commercial free music channels.
Radio station owners see the same thing happening with radio that happened to cable and are trying to prevent any local specific broadcasts by XM. When people switch to XM that costs them ad revenues. And as local specific broadcasts are added, there will be more reason to switch to XM so you get the choice in programming and commercial free music channels.
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Originally Posted by smgfan
Umm reason number 5 is wrong. I work at a cable company and 50% of our homes are HOA's or apartments that do not allow dishes to be put up. Maybe what you mean is state law, but not federal.
The apartment where I live says you cannot do any drilling and the dish must be within the boundary of your apartment. They also require a $100 security deposit. So you see many of the balconies with a South-Southwest view with a dish in my apt. complex. For apartments, you just have to find an apartment with a dish friendly view. Apartments that do not have a dish friendly view are out of luck.
#138
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Originally Posted by GA_TSX
Dish took off because for five reasons. 1) Federal law prohibited rules that prevented the installation of dishes at homes and apartments. 2) Choice of programming. 3) Increases in cable fees. 4) Local stations via dish. 5) Poor customer service and poor quality of service by cable providers. And in Atlanta, reason number 5 is why a HUGE majority of the people switched. Cost had very little to do with it.
#139
Hot off the presses, official word from Chicago (dealer show) on the changes to the TSX:
XM Radio, Power Passenger Seat, Heated Mirrors, Illuminated Steering
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL).
It looks like most of the guesses were right. I only wish they could shave 200lbs off the car and the power passenger seat won't help lower the weight!
XM Radio, Power Passenger Seat, Heated Mirrors, Illuminated Steering
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL).
It looks like most of the guesses were right. I only wish they could shave 200lbs off the car and the power passenger seat won't help lower the weight!
#141
I personally think it comes down to choices and options. XM gives you way more programming choices, especially if you listen to talk radio. It's not like you can go to store and purchase those programs like you would a CD. It's live and different everyday. For only $10 per month, I think the expanded programming selection iXM offers is definitely worth it.
#142
Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Nice work Colin!
#143
Originally Posted by Colin
Hot off the presses, official word from Chicago (dealer show) on the changes to the TSX:
XM Radio, Power Passenger Seat, Heated Mirrors, Illuminated Steering
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL)......
XM Radio, Power Passenger Seat, Heated Mirrors, Illuminated Steering
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL)......
Thanks a lot Honda
#144
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Originally Posted by Colin
Hot off the presses, official word from Chicago (dealer show) on the changes to the TSX:
XM Radio, Power Passenger Seat, Heated Mirrors, Illuminated Steering
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL).
It looks like most of the guesses were right. I only wish they could shave 200lbs off the car and the power passenger seat won't help lower the weight!
XM Radio, Power Passenger Seat, Heated Mirrors, Illuminated Steering
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL).
It looks like most of the guesses were right. I only wish they could shave 200lbs off the car and the power passenger seat won't help lower the weight!
Whats this remote control beep?
#145
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Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer
This.... is very disappointing.
Thanks a lot Honda
Thanks a lot Honda
WHy are you disappointed? They basically didnt change anything. (or maybe thats what you meant?)
#146
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Originally Posted by Colin
Hot off the presses, official word from Chicago (dealer show) on the changes to the TSX:
XM Radio, Power Passenger Seat, Heated Mirrors, Illuminated Steering
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL)...
XM Radio, Power Passenger Seat, Heated Mirrors, Illuminated Steering
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL)...
someone says it's so. say it's so.
edit: thanks Colin
#148
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Originally Posted by Colin
Hot off the presses, official word from Chicago (dealer show) on the changes to the TSX:
XM Radio, Power Passenger Seat, Heated Mirrors, Illuminated Steering
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL).
XM Radio, Power Passenger Seat, Heated Mirrors, Illuminated Steering
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL).
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Originally Posted by Colin
XM Radio, Power Passenger Seat, Heated Mirrors, Illuminated Steering
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL).
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL).
Any word on pricing increases?
#152
I miss my 03 CL-S :(
darn... heated side mirrors are something I miss from my CL. Will the 05 come with the tilt-down on reverse pass. side mirror? If so, a little retrofit could be in order... it can't be too hard to wire that thing into the reverse light wire
I can do without the pass. side auto seat, but heated mirrors I'm gonna miss during winter.
I can do without the pass. side auto seat, but heated mirrors I'm gonna miss during winter.
#153
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OK , well judging by others reactions I guess am in the minority here, but I'm not really moved by these changes. XM could be added after market, heated mirrors..well I already have those in my 04 and they arent that useful anyways, power pass seat ...couldnt care less. I'm not sure what that the remote beep thing is but if it replaces the horn noise for the alarm, well that would be nice.
Now I wasnt expecting power increases of course, but EBD brakes would have been nice. I would take one touch moonroof over all of those options as well.
Now I wasnt expecting power increases of course, but EBD brakes would have been nice. I would take one touch moonroof over all of those options as well.
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Yeah, but, being only the 2nd model year, no changes should have been expected.
The fact that they did make changes, albeit relatively minor, to me is a good thing since it brings the car more in line with their entire lineup.
The fact that they did make changes, albeit relatively minor, to me is a good thing since it brings the car more in line with their entire lineup.
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Originally Posted by Colin
Hot off the presses, official word from Chicago (dealer show) on the changes to the TSX:
XM Radio, Power Passenger Seat, Heated Mirrors, Illuminated Steering
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL).
It looks like most of the guesses were right. I only wish they could shave 200lbs off the car and the power passenger seat won't help lower the weight!
XM Radio, Power Passenger Seat, Heated Mirrors, Illuminated Steering
Wheel Switches, Remote Control Beep (Like TL).
It looks like most of the guesses were right. I only wish they could shave 200lbs off the car and the power passenger seat won't help lower the weight!
Though a lot of members complain about the power passenger seat "adding needless weight", I don't get it. What class of car were you guys shopping for in the first place?? TSX= very good all-around performance with some luxury, not a sports car IMO.
#156
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Originally Posted by jcg878
Though a lot of members complain about the power passenger seat "adding needless weight", I don't get it. What class of car were you guys shopping for in the first place?? TSX= very good all-around performance with some luxury, not a sports car IMO.
#159
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Of course I'd love to hack items into my 04. Just give me the rain sensing wipers from the Australian model, the power rear sunshade from the Japanese, and the Canadian options.....
#160
Originally Posted by fdl
WHy are you disappointed? They basically didnt change anything. (or maybe thats what you meant?)
Originally Posted by jlukja
Whaaaa ... ? The 6MT is still available.