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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by yohan81718
^ serious???

mine says 11/25/2011

so i assume if they do the same thing again, ie upgrade date falls in the same year, i will be able to get iphone 5 or 4G or whatever they may call it
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my brother, who got iphone 4 as well, has 11/20/2011
maybe because I've been with them since Cingular? And my dad was with them since even before Cingular?
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 08:18 PM
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^ i've been with them since they were BellSouth... and I've had this stupid Sammy phone for 3 years and I still have to wait to the middle of July.
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
maybe because I've been with them since Cingular? And my dad was with them since even before Cingular?
what ↓ says
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^ i've been with them since they were BellSouth... and I've had this stupid Sammy phone for 3 years and I still have to wait to the middle of July.
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 08:22 PM
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wait.. that doesn't sound right

middle of july???
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 08:31 PM
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Yeah... family plan... one line is already eligible for the $299, the other (my number) is July 19th, and the last is way off.

I asked ATT when their records indicated when I bought the Sammy. They don't have a clue.

What pisses me off is that ATT can get me an iphone only 5 days before the reduced price, but they won't move on five days and want to charge $499.

With two lines free, I may pay the penalty and jump ship to the Droid X.
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 09:08 PM
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really?

my mom and sister were a month off when i went in to get my 3GS last july.
they had no problem with waiving the remaining period.

maybe try a different at&t store.
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by yohan81718
what ↓ says
then i really really dont know why im eligible just about 1 year later.

but whatever, im kind of liking it
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
I read that blurb...

So, basically if I've never jailbroken my 3GS....I'm just SoL. freaking bummer.

I guess I just hope someone figures out how to jb/unlock 3.1.3 or how crack 4.0 without having to have JB already.
It's your lack of hashes on Cydias server that's holding you and others back from jailbreaking anything on a 3GS or iPhone 4. Apple's verification process makes the restore step of the jb process crash since Apple refuses to sign the cracked firmware. Until the dev team figures out a way for the new people to get around the verification process without having hashes, you're SOL.
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 09:48 PM
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Not really liking where apple moved the vibrator, buzzes alot louder now
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 02:09 AM
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So I did the speedtest.net test and it's clearly obvious even if your bars don't drop alot. These are my results but just look at the two top entries. The top entry is with my hand covering the lower left corner and 2nd one is hands off.



If you couldn't figure that top result is ZERO up and ZERO down! ZERO! Nothing, zip zilch, nada! Even though I have 3 bars of 3G coverage. Now you tell me that I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill! Try if for yourself, get the speedtest.net app or any other speed test app and post your results.

On a positive note you can see by looking at my past results that my upload speed is much better with the i4 than it was with my 3G!

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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 03:41 AM
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hmm - would be nice if this is true -
According to Apple Insider, the issue may not be hardware-related but rather a software quirk:

Readers report that Apple's tech support forums originally confirmed that a iOS 4.0.1 software fix addressing the issue would ship early next week (as early as Monday)
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 03:47 AM
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damn..

but S90 can do better - user issues -



view at original size -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbuc...7624228235507/
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 03:49 AM
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more comparisons-
http://gizmodo.com/5572766/test-note...yline=true&s=i
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by srika
hmm - would be nice if this is true -
Link?
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by srika
hmm - would be nice if this is true
According to Apple Insider, the issue may not be hardware-related but rather a software quirk:

Readers report that Apple's tech support forums originally confirmed that a iOS 4.0.1 software fix addressing the issue would ship early next week (as early as Monday)
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Link?
.com?

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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 09:05 AM
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Opps
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 09:40 AM
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the camera on the iPhone 4 is very very good for a phone.
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
So I did the speedtest.net test and it's clearly obvious even if your bars don't drop alot. These are my results but just look at the two top entries. The top entry is with my hand covering the lower left corner and 2nd one is hands off.



If you couldn't figure that top result is ZERO up and ZERO down! ZERO! Nothing, zip zilch, nada! Even though I have 3 bars of 3G coverage. Now you tell me that I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill! Try if for yourself, get the speedtest.net app or any other speed test app and post your results.

On a positive note you can see by looking at my past results that my upload speed is much better with the i4 than it was with my 3G!
it's because the iPhone 4 supports HSUDPA or however it's spelt. AT&Ts network supports it already (although not the max speed the i4 can do yet), but the 3GS didn't.

I was actually really surprised how fast I was able to upload a 4.3mb image to engadget.. Which they didn't use
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 09:46 AM
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Reading the apple insider article, it makes sense that part of it might be related to the software because w/ the 3Gs there were no issues like this before iOS 4, but after it's having the same issues as the iPhone 4. If it was entirely hardware related then the issue would be only with the iPhone 4.
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 10:21 AM
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Going to hold it in my hand tonight
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 10:37 AM
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Aren't you notorious for holding it every night....???
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
Going to hold it in my hand tonight
What you did there... I SEE IT!
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TS_eXpeed

Aren't you notorious for holding it every night....???
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 11:48 AM
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
magical!
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 05:57 PM
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I just played with my friend's iPhone 4 yesterday. The screen is amazing!
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 06:20 PM
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 06:28 PM
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Who is the picture of Jobs with? Medvedev, President of Russia?
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 06:34 PM
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Preparing to unbox after unpacking...
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 06:36 PM
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^ Don't you have to unbox first before you unpack?
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 07:42 PM
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Who is the picture of Jobs with? Medvedev, President of Russia?
yes.

he came to silicon valley this past week (or maybe is still here)

because Russia wants to start up one of their own silicon valleys just outside of Moscow.
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor
^ Don't you have to unbox first before you unpack?


whiskers is doing it wrong!
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 07:44 PM
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one thing that sucks big nutts.

the bumper case really only fits the iphone USB charger cable.

i tried my car charger, and the plug wouldnt fit, it was too big

even the usb cable for the ipod mini was too big
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by is300eater
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._ios_4_01.html

Friday, June 25, 2010

Death Grip hysteria may end Monday with iOS 4.01

By Daniel Eran Dilger
Published: 06:30 PM EST

Reception issues observed by new iPhone 4 owners, derided as the "Death Grip" by bloggers, appears to actually be a software issue that an iOS update is expected to resolve early next week.

Identifying the problem

Clear observations of mobile signal strength and how they are affected by the placement of users' hands are difficult to perform in part because there are multiple factors involved in receiving a mobile radio link, including outside interference and the conductivity or mass of different people's hands.

Additionally, cellphones in general (and in particular the iPhone) have always only presented a very rough approximation of signal strength in the signal bar display, averaged over time. It appears that iOS 4, more so than previous iPhone software, presents a less accurate signal meter, showing less signal at times than an iPhone 3GS while still being able to achieve the same or better call quality.

This has led some to jump to the conclusion that the reception problems noted by some iPhone 4 users are the sign of a hardware design flaw related to its stainless steel band antenna design. Apple's chief executive Steve Jobs stoked a whiplash of blogger frenzy when he reportedly responded that users "were holding it the wrong way," blocking the signal with their hands.

A variety of people have demonstrated identical problems with other phones, from the Android based Nexus One to the iPhone 3GS. Yesterday, my wry tweet, "Blocking iPhone 4 antenna kills reception. Blocking mic kills audio, and covering the screen makes it impossible to see Retina Display" made it to the front page of Twitter and was retweeted more than a hundred times by people following the hullabaloo.

However, the fact that problems observed in the iPhone 3GS are much more pronounced when the device is upgraded to iOS 4 indicate that there is also a software issue involved in the matter. iPhone 4 users can't downgrade to earlier versions of the core software, making it impossible to compare its relative performance.

Software fix in the works

Readers report that Apple's tech support forums originally confirmed that a iOS 4.0.1 software fix addressing the issue would ship early next week (as early as Monday), before the comments were subsequently taken down along with all the other related discussion about the matter.

The fix is expected to address a issue in iOS 4 related to radio frequency calibration of the baseband. Readers who saw the original forum discussions say that the issue is believed to occur when switching frequencies; because the lag is allegedly not calibrated correctly, it results in the device reporting "no service" rather than switching to the frequency with the best signal to noise ratio.

iOS 4 introduced some enhancements to how the baseband selects which frequencies to use, so it makes sense that the error may have crept into those changes. Additionally, this explains why iOS 4 has also caused similar problems for iPhone 3GS users.

Additional readers have shared other related experiences that also corroborate the idea that the issue is related to iOS 4's software control of the baseband, including the fact that the issue seems easily reproducible when connecting to a WWAN 3G network but does not appear when connecting to a Microcell 3G. If the problem were simply hardware related issues of the antenna design, it should only affect iPhone 4 units with that new design and should occur at all times, regardless of the tower type. That is not being observed.

Talk to the hand

The core software problem is likely augmented by hand placement, as Jobs noted in pointing out that holding the new phone (or any mobile device) in such a way that attenuates the signal should simply be avoided.

Yesterday, antenna design expert Spencer Webb posted his early appraisal of the situation, noting that the FCC mandates that cell phone antennas need to be positioned as far away from the user's head as possible, effectively forcing antenna placement in the bottom of the phone, where it is most likely to be covered by the user's hand.

Webb also noted that neither the regulatory tests performed by the FCC during its approval process, nor the antenna efficiency tests performed by the carrier (AT&T) during its own device requirements testing take into account how a user's hand might play into the antenna design and the test results.

The bottom-mounted antenna design "evolved to meet [FCC] requirements," Webb explained. "And efficient transmission and reception while being held by a human hand are simply not design requirements!"

Webb points out that Bluetooth headsets also suffer from attenuation when the phone is positioned in such a way that the user's body absorbs too much of the signal. He assumed that the iPhone 4 design, which "moved the antenna action from the back of the phone to the sides," will likely only improve things when the phone is "suspended magically in air," but may actually make things worse when the phone is placed in the user's pocket.

At the same time, Webb says he voted with his dollars to buy the new iPhone 4 anyway, adding, "sometimes an antenna that's not great, but good enough, is good enough."
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 07:55 PM
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^^
Yesterday, my wry tweet, "Blocking iPhone 4 antenna kills reception. Blocking mic kills audio, and covering the screen makes it impossible to see Retina Display" made it to the front page of Twitter and was retweeted more than a hundred times by people following the hullabaloo.
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 07:55 PM
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kind of interesting looking at the screen between the 1st gen iphone, 3GS and iphone 4.
the 1st gen is cool, the 3GS looks warmer, and kind of yellowish? (dunno)

and the iphone4, looks white/gray.

im using the just light app which just puts up a white screen, and they're all cranked up to 100% brightness, auto dim or whatever turned off.

and looking back at the 3GS screen, man it looks like shit !
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 07:56 PM
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and looking back at the 3GS screen, man it looks like shit !
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 07:57 PM
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^^

kind of makes sense with an external antenna. you block it, of course its going to reduce signal...
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Old Jun 26, 2010 | 07:57 PM
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no.. I was talking about something else -
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