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Old Oct 29, 2012 | 09:41 PM
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A lot of people are forgetting that the Nexus devices are primarily a dev phone and everything else is secondary. It was never meant to cater to the mainstream and sell out which is why it lacks certain features. I think a lot of people are missing this very important point and then compare it to the iPhone and other hardware devices without understanding its real purpose. LTE is still in its infancy for a bunch of networks and probably won't have the same coverage 3G/HSPA+ does until early 2014. Its nice to have but at the moment, if you don't live in the major markets and care about battery life, its not a big deal.
I'm in the SF bay, so LTE everywhere for me, and battery lasts all day on my phone..

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Old Oct 29, 2012 | 09:54 PM
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@speedemon90: IMO the specs of the Nexus 4 will last you a long long time (minus the storage space). Plain and simple: Quad core on a mobile device is overkill right now - it was overkill in my Transformer Prime tablet (when I got it early in 2012) since most apps weren't even optimized to run on all cores, although quad core functionality is growing rapidly on android.

I'm interested in seeing the battery consumption in everyday use though - a large screen + quad core likely wont be too friendly on the battery, add LTE to that (which Google didn't in the Nexus 4) and it's even worse. That's my one big fear about the Note 2.

My only gripe with the Nexus 4 is storage space. With apps becoming more "high def" and graphics intensive, IMHO, 16gb should've been standard, with an option for 32gb. I understand why Google did it this way, but for those who use their phones for media purposes (i.e. playing games and watching/recording tons of videos) being limited to 16gb kind of sucks.
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Old Oct 29, 2012 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
I'm in the SF bay, so LTE everywhere for me, and battery lasts all day on my phone..

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But you're still missing the point of this Nexus which is accessibility via price. Where can you get a phone this feature packed with LTE at this price unlocked and brand new?

If you really want LTE, there's the Optimus G but it sure won't be as close in price to the Nexus and probably not as supported due to the locked bootloader. Otherwise, its the same phone.
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Old Oct 29, 2012 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BraveDemon
@speedemon90: IMO the specs of the Nexus 4 will last you a long long time (minus the storage space). Plain and simple: Quad core on a mobile device is overkill right now - it was overkill in my Transformer Prime tablet (when I got it early in 2012) since most apps weren't even optimized to run on all cores, although quad core functionality is growing rapidly on android.

I'm interested in seeing the battery consumption in everyday use though - a large screen + quad core likely wont be too friendly on the battery, add LTE to that (which Google didn't in the Nexus 4) and it's even worse. That's my one big fear about the Note 2.

My only gripe with the Nexus 4 is storage space. With apps becoming more "high def" and graphics intensive, IMHO, 16gb should've been standard, with an option for 32gb. I understand why Google did it this way, but for those who use their phones for media purposes (i.e. playing games and watching/recording tons of videos) being limited to 16gb kind of sucks.
The Note 2 has a huge battery which is 3100 mAh. Compare it to the Razr Maxx which is at 3300 mAh. Most of the reviews out there say they can get through a day and a half just about before the Note 2 dies. Also, SAMOLED screens take up a lot more battery when compared to LCDs. It was supposed to be lower in battery consumption but that never turned out to be the case unless you're talking about just using Black colors (and that means black everything) which is useless in daily usage.
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
I'm in the SF bay, so LTE everywhere for me, and battery lasts all day on my phone..

Anyways
main reason LTE isnt on google phone is because they would make this phone which would be more expensive and have a ltl less battery life. Thats only available in 77 cities/markets in the USA.

Google wants there nexus phones to have no constraints. Verizon showed they can't do that and google doesnt have the sales volume with the nexus to tell verizon to shut up.

Att and google would be fine, but again ATT doesnt have a whole lot of LTE markets and google would make this phone for thousands customers and then would have to up the price on all the phones so it can carry both radios affecting the hopefully millions worldwide sales.

So google will lose those thousand on ATT. But gain more elsewhere.

Thats why they didnt put LTE...


ohh and to you iphone users... apple introduces panorama, google introduces 360 panorama

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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 02:11 AM
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on another note i hope the wireless charging orb they built doesnt cost a fortune. I'd really want that because it looks sooo nice hahaha

also theres a cool feature in 4.2 when your phone is docked to a wireless charger

The other major feature Google borrowed from Palm is a feature in Android 4.2 called "Daydream." It displays photos, news from Google Currents, or other information when the phone is docked. That same feature was available on webOS, then called Exhibition. Whatever the source of ideas may be, it will make the Nexus 4 a little more useful as it's charging on your desk.
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by CGFebTSX04
But you're still missing the point of this Nexus which is accessibility via price. Where can you get a phone this feature packed with LTE at this price unlocked and brand new?

If you really want LTE, there's the Optimus G but it sure won't be as close in price to the Nexus and probably not as supported due to the locked bootloader. Otherwise, its the same phone.
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main reason LTE isnt on google phone is because they would make this phone which would be more expensive and have a ltl less battery life. Thats only available in 77 cities/markets in the USA.

Google wants there nexus phones to have no constraints. Verizon showed they can't do that and google doesnt have the sales volume with the nexus to tell verizon to shut up.

Att and google would be fine, but again ATT doesnt have a whole lot of LTE markets and google would make this phone for thousands customers and then would have to up the price on all the phones so it can carry both radios affecting the hopefully millions worldwide sales.

So google will lose those thousand on ATT. But gain more elsewhere.

Thats why they didnt put LTE...


ohh and to you iphone users... apple introduces panorama, google introduces 360 panorama

alright i got it... GEEZ!
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 03:25 AM
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alright i got it... GEEZ!
ahahah thats how we feel when we come to your territory :P
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 09:44 AM
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ok so I have a problem....when I sync my galaxy note with Kies, I cant see any of the images which I have synced

If i copy them on the SD card either via the phone or a SD card reader, same problem....I even tried using different syncing apps and still nothing....a little help here
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by speedemon90
on another note i hope the wireless charging orb they built doesnt cost a fortune. I'd really want that because it looks sooo nice hahaha

also theres a cool feature in 4.2 when your phone is docked to a wireless charger
For what it's worth, the original Palm Pre Touchstone retailed at $49.99 when it came out. Then again HP mishandled Palm, so that price would be the highest Google would charge for it, I'm guessing.

That cool new feature you are talking about is called Daydream, but it really is just Matias' Palm-- Exhibition. I have it on my Touchpad and it is nice
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 10:35 AM
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Google Announces Android 4.2...

http://www.xda-developers.com/androi...and-much-more/

Nice upgrades. Maybe HTC will just skip the jellybean upgrade on the One X/EVO line and upgrade Sense to work with 4.2. As you HTC phone owners know our phones cant be upgraded with a Sense version of an Android rom until the Sense UI is compatible.

What do you guys think about Android 4.2?
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 10:51 AM
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ok so I have a problem....when I sync my galaxy note with Kies, I cant see any of the images which I have synced

If i copy them on the SD card either via the phone or a SD card reader, same problem....I even tried using different syncing apps and still nothing....a little help here
Its because Kies sucks. Lol. But to answer your question, are the pictures not showing in Explorer in Kies or on the phone. If its in explorer on your computer, and maybe even the phone it may be because the media scanner didn't run through to pop up the images. A restart of the phone should initiate Mediascanner or a simple mount/unmount of the USB storage will do it. There is also an app but I believe it requires root. If you're not seeing it on the phone, you can verify its there by running a file explorer app.

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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 10:55 AM
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For what it's worth, the original Palm Pre Touchstone retailed at $49.99 when it came out. Then again HP mishandled Palm, so that price would be the highest Google would charge for it, I'm guessing.

That cool new feature you are talking about is called Daydream, but it really is just Matias' Palm-- Exhibition. I have it on my Touchpad and it is nice
Daydream was available since ICS but Google didn't turn it on by default. CM9 enabled the feature and you could customize it to go through whatever pictures you felt like.

I hope the wireless dock is cheap as well. Or if we could substitute it for the Palm Touchstone. Probably could if the amps and voltage match up. I'm sure the guys at xda will cook something up if it ends up being too expensive. One of the android devs mentioned that they would be selling bumper cases as well. Let's hope they don't get sued over a bumper case.
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by CGFebTSX04
Its because Kies sucks. Lol. But to answer your question, are the pictures not showing in Explorer in Lies or on the phoneI If its in explorer in Windows, and maybe even the phone it may be because the media scanner didn't run through to pop up the images. A restart of the phone should initiate Mediascanner or a simple mount/unmount of the USB storage will do it. There is also an app but I believe it requires root. If you're not seeing it on the phone, you can verify its there by running a file explorer app.
Yes, KIES does suck !!!

The images copy over fine but I cant open them on the phone. It says "file too big or corrupted"...so even if I take some images from the camera and then copy those over to a folder on my laptop and sync the folder over, i cant even see those images....

syncing is badddd with Samsungs
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 11:41 AM
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^Yeah Kies just sucks hard. Just manually sync your stuff by mounting/unmounting the USB storage.

TheVerge does some great videos and probably why Google tapped them to cover the new Nexus line yesterday. Here's the one they did on Google Now and a little more info to what its trying to achieve:

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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by CGFebTSX04
^Yeah Kies just sucks hard. Just manually sync your stuff by mounting/unmounting the USB storage.
yeah i have tried that and same thing
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 12:17 PM
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Google should (somehow) disable Google search in Apple devices, have fun using Bing or even worse Yahoo search
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CGFebTSX04
Daydream was available since ICS but Google didn't turn it on by default. CM9 enabled the feature and you could customize it to go through whatever pictures you felt like.

I hope the wireless dock is cheap as well. Or if we could substitute it for the Palm Touchstone. Probably could if the amps and voltage match up. I'm sure the guys at xda will cook something up if it ends up being too expensive. One of the android devs mentioned that they would be selling bumper cases as well. Let's hope they don't get sued over a bumper case.
Well, other companies make bumper cases for devices and haven't been sued yet. The Nexus 4 bumper case won't be to correct antennagate issues though. Mainly just for people who want to show off that sexy back while still "having" some sort of protection for their phone in case they drop it or knock it on it's side.

I'll wait to see what options the well-known case companies come up with like Otterbox, Rearth, etc...
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 12:21 PM
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^^^ I think they are in process of doing so, slowly....

with IOS6, you have to reinstall youtube as Google has removed that from being a built in app in Apple . Also the maps are now Apple maps....

i think with the next release Apple will be on its own
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 12:21 PM
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Google should (somehow) disable Google search in Apple devices, have fun using Bing or even worse Yahoo search
Problem with that is Google is an ad company. And as such, requires usage no matter if it is from their rivals. Same deal with Samsung still supplying components to Apple (though less and less lately). Gotta make that money even if it is from your competitor.

I believe the proper term here would be frienemy.
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 12:24 PM
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^^^ damn that makes a lot of sense....didnt think about that at all !!!
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 03:48 PM
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Android 4.2 Keyboard with Gesture Typing is up for download:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/10...ing-right-now/

You will need Root to install. Will try this on my Nexus later.
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 03:53 PM
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Google Announces Android 4.2...
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What do you guys think about Android 4.2?
The multi user function is definitely cool for tablets - don't see much use of it on phones since everyone has their own.

Otherwise, I'm glad that the stock Android Keyboard will finally be getting swype.

I run CM10 (on the S3) and AOKP (on the One X) and using third party keyboards (Swiftkey and Swype) always creates a very slight delay in certain apps.

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Android 4.2 Keyboard with Gesture Typing is up for download:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/10...ing-right-now/

You will need Root to install. Will try this on my Nexus later.

EDIT: Dude! Thanks CGFebTSX04! Downloading and flashing on my CM10 S3 now!

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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 04:02 PM
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Ok, so I've only played with it for two minutes, but as someone who's been using swype for the past 2 years or so:

The 4.2 Keyboard swype function is the best iteration I've ever seen. Having the word you're typing actually show on your swyping finger is ingenious.
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CGFebTSX04
Daydream was available since ICS but Google didn't turn it on by default. CM9 enabled the feature and you could customize it to go through whatever pictures you felt like.

I hope the wireless dock is cheap as well. Or if we could substitute it for the Palm Touchstone. Probably could if the amps and voltage match up. I'm sure the guys at xda will cook something up if it ends up being too expensive. One of the android devs mentioned that they would be selling bumper cases as well. Let's hope they don't get sued over a bumper case.
haha according to the verge anything thats up too Qi standards is good enough. Or something like that. So the chargers that nokia has will work as well.


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For what it's worth, the original Palm Pre Touchstone retailed at $49.99 when it came out. Then again HP mishandled Palm, so that price would be the highest Google would charge for it, I'm guessing.

That cool new feature you are talking about is called Daydream, but it really is just Matias' Palm-- Exhibition. I have it on my Touchpad and it is nice
yupp that was in the article as well. There's a lot of webOS/palm design in googles phone now haha. But hey who's complaining. And Matias is a genius.
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 04:27 PM
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flashed the new 4.2 keyboard. I can tell right away this isnt the final build cause when swyping the letters the word that follows your trace isnt in a box and looks rather ugly haha.

But the transition between swype and regular typing is flawless. I used to like swype for one handed typing in class. But i can type faster with two hands so when i wanted that, the swype keyboard sucked real bad on that. This is cool! I'm just gonna disable that pop up for now.
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 04:29 PM
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haha according to the verge anything thats up too Qi standards is good enough. Or something like that. So the chargers that nokia has will work as well.
I can see it now.......... throwing my Nexus 4 on that Nokia Charging Pillow every night before bed. Next to my bed. mmm hmmm lol
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 04:41 PM
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I prefer the nexus one cause it stands up so i can keep it next to my comp on my desk which is right next to my bed. Can use the phone without taking it off the charger
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 04:49 PM
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ohh yea the new camera on the nexus 4 has HDR built in as well. THought that was cool.

Other than the whole redesign
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 04:51 PM
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I was gonna wait til I got home to try out the keyboard but I just went ahead and manually installed it. So far I have to say its amazing. I haven't used Swype in a while but I never got on their bandwagon because their word prediction and autocorrection wasn't the greatest. Gesture typing is good so far and I like the visualization even though its not the final build. Google needs to drop 4.2 to AOSP already so we can get custom ROMs. Lol.
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by speedemon90
flashed the new 4.2 keyboard. I can tell right away this isnt the final build cause when swyping the letters the word that follows your trace isnt in a box and looks rather ugly haha.

But the transition between swype and regular typing is flawless. I used to like swype for one handed typing in class. But i can type faster with two hands so when i wanted that, the swype keyboard sucked real bad on that. This is cool! I'm just gonna disable that pop up for now.
Guess its a matter of taste. I actually think it looks good on my S3.

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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 05:01 PM
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One thing I've noticed that's different from Swype's implementation is that you don't have to loop letters if they're right after the other. It seems the keyboard is context aware and actually predicting the next word based on what you're typing out. Its almost like the mash up of SwiftKey and Swype that SwiftKey was going to release soon. I wonder if it learns your phrases like SwiftKey does. Maybe that's the one up SwiftKey will have.
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 07:07 PM
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haha you guys are right, its better with the pop up following it... i put it back.

Good thing you got it now. Google asked AP to take down the APK/zip files for 4.2

good thing we acted quickly!
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 07:12 PM
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note to civicdrivr, a lot of first impressions on the device really like the hardware and build quality on this phone. It feels like a high end phone with not cheap plastic bits aka samsungs back haha.


Also i'm just realizing I'm coming from a NS to a N4. 512mb Ram to 2gb. 1ghz single core to some clock speed quad core

I'M EXCITED!!!!!!!
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 08:44 PM
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haha you guys are right, its better with the pop up following it... i put it back.

Good thing you got it now. Google asked AP to take down the APK/zip files for 4.2

good thing we acted quickly!
Lol. Yeah. I saw that. Maybe the 4.2 SDK is going to drop soon.
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 09:00 PM
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FYI, I am currently testing the beta of the new NEW SwiftKey and ..... this video speaks for itself:
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 09:25 PM
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Oh man I really wish they had a 32 GB version. 16 is really pushing if it based on the ways I like to set up my devices. Currently have a 64GB iPhone 4S and have well over half the space used up. I know I could adjust my workflow/ way of doing things to make 16 work, but I'd rather not have to do that, ya know? I know I don't need to get this device but was really hoping this would be the perfect phone for me
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TSXy Luster
FYI, I am currently testing the beta of the new NEW SwiftKey and ..... this video speaks for itself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA5Horw_SOE
how do you get to test for it?
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 09:56 PM
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how do you get to test for it?
be in their VIP program. I got in it a long time ago when it was all exclusive, but now they open it up to people every now and then, so just keep an eye out I guess.

Only bad thing about beta testing Swiftkey is that you have to make it rescan all your data again because you cannot port over the already saved predictions.


or...... just look online for someone to post the beta's apk.
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Old Oct 30, 2012 | 10:35 PM
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Now that the NBA Season officially started my Google Now is showing up the game cards:

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Too bad it doesn't update real time but I guess that's so it doesn't kill your battery. Lol.
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