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Hell no, you're right; the dude is a scrub among superstars.

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But, let's be clear: Rose is NOT a superstar (he's 2nd-rate) and he's not an MVP candidate.


Just to be clear.

You've finally come around. Bout time.
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You've finally come around. Bout time.
He's no better than Bosh.
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He's waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than Bosh....
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I wish Bosh wasn't so soft... I gotta be honest with you guys, I didn't really pay attention to Bosh until he came to Miami. I only seen him on sports center for highlight, not full game of him playing until recently. I gotta say, he isn't what I expected him to be.... I'm bit disappointed with his softness. I wish he can be like Amare.
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Originally Posted by dom
He's waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than Bosh....
c'mon.

We are compare apple to orange here.

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Originally Posted by dom
He's waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than Bosh....
Successful troll is successful
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He's waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than Bosh....
No.




Rose is overrated. Second rate. Can't shoot. Can't jump. Can't dunk. Can't do anything.
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Hawks and Jazz got absolutely steamrolled tonight.
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Finally Mike Miller responds. Now all they need to do is play as a team instead of trying to do everything themselves.
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the Celtics lose to the wizards.
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/shrug they lost to the Nets last season too, no biggie. In more exciting news ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu66PkpKSlU

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Originally Posted by S14 n Tsx
I wish Bosh wasn't so soft... I gotta be honest with you guys, I didn't really pay attention to Bosh until he came to Miami. I only seen him on sports center for highlight, not full game of him playing until recently. I gotta say, he isn't what I expected him to be.... I'm bit disappointed with his softness. I wish he can be like Amare.
Might want to read this first. Not to mention in that first Knicks/Heat game how Bosh flew by Amare like a bull and a matador.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/mia...oined-the-heat

Chris Bosh and Amare Stoudemire took different paths this summer. One joined LeBron James and Dwyane Wade in Miami, while the other is a leading candidate for league MVP in New York.

But what if Stoudemire, not Bosh, had signed in Miami instead? The MVP candidate would surely make the Heat better, right?

Well, it’s not that simple.

As is often the case in the game of basketball, it’s much more complicated than merely translating individual performances from one team to another. Context is important.

Sure, Stoudemire is averaging a career-high 26.7 points, but as the Knicks' centerpiece, he’s also experiencing a career high in shot volume. When we look at Stoudemire’s efficiency numbers, his MVP campaign is essentially a carbon copy of his career norms.

His career field goal percentage? 54. This season? 54.

His career true shooting percentage, which incorporates 3s and free throws? 61 percent, now 60 percent.

And offensive rating? 117, now 111. If anything, his efficiency has dipped slightly in his new digs.

The fact is that Stoudemire is receiving more touches than ever. Fueled by his career-high 18.7 field goal attempts per game, he has used an estimated 30.6 percent of Knicks possessions while he’s on the floor, which is the highest usage rate the NBA has seen for a big man since Zach Randolph’s monster season in 2006-07. So if you’re looking for the biggest catalyst for Stoudemire’s MVP campaign, be sure to account for the sheer quantity of shots.

Why harp on the swollen shot volume? Because that’s the one thing Stoudemire would need to check at the door if he were in Miami alongside two ball-dominant superstars in James and Wade.

This is why context is important. In a vacuum, there’s no doubt the Heat would welcome a 26.7-points-per-game scorer on the block. But it’s imperative to understand that it took a gaudy number of shot attempts for Stoudemire to achieve his scoring average.

It’s no secret that the presence of James and Wade has taken a sizable bite out of Bosh’s shot intake this season. The former Toronto Raptor has taken only 13.7 field goal attempts per game, which is 2.8 fewer than he saw last season and a full five shots below what Stoudemire is averaging in New York. Would Stoudemire see nearly the same number of touches in Miami as he’s seeing now? Fat chance.

But stylistically, is Stoudemire a better fit in Miami than Bosh? That’s another matter.

Bosh scores with calculated grace, while Stoudemire scores with a thundering sledgehammer. You can see this contrast in their actions after screens on the ball. After setting a pick, Stoudemire dives directly to the rim for a strong finish. No surprise, but Stoudemire leads the NBA in rolls to the basket this season with 60 to his name. But Bosh? He tends to pivot to the spacious mid-range area for the open jumper and, according to Synergy, he has made more pick-and-pop plays this season than any other player in the league.

So here we have the two extremes in the pick-and-roll game: a roller and a popper. It seems like Stoudemire’s aggressive approach would be the choice; it’s equally efficient as it is entertaining. But rolling to the basket affects the ball-handler, too. As Stoudemire’s primary pick-and-roll partner in this parallel universe, James would likely terrorize defenders even more than he is in his current state.

With Bosh and Zydrunas Ilgauskas as pick-and-pop partners, teams prefer to smother LeBron coming out of the pick, which leaves the screener open for a shot. And James usually delivers the kick-back pass. Teams are picking their poison and it’s better to stop James than to cover a mid-range shooter who at best would hit the shot with 50 percent accuracy.

But a Stoudemire/James combo would wreak havoc on the defense. Stoudemire’s defender can’t show nearly as hard on the screen since Stoudemire demands the utmost attention as he dives. Furthermore, a rolling Stoudemire forces defenses to rotate, which creates more disorder for James to pick apart with his dribble attack and passing skills.

On the other hand, Bosh’s approach has a hypothetical benefit to James as well. Defensive rotations pull the defense out to the perimeter as opposed to drawing them to the paint. James has maintained that Bosh’s ability to spread the floor helps clear the basket area but when it comes to execution, James has exhibited far less aggressiveness turning that corner than one would imagine. It’s not as fruitful as it seems.

And then we must consider what happens in the open court. Would James, Wade and Stoudemire turn every court into Pamplona and pummel teams on the run? Probably. But then again, there’s no catching up to James and Wade on the fly, especially since they get the head start on the perimeter. Transition makes up such a small percentage of the NBA game, but Stoudemire’s ability to run the floor would only amplify what already is a nightmare for opponents to defend.

But Stoudemire’s deficiencies on the other side of the court would wash away much of what he has on Bosh offensively. We saw what the Celtics did down the stretch against the Knicks on Wednesday night. The game plan was clear: Go right at Stoudemire every single time. On two straight possessions, Kevin Garnett got good looks at the rim and beat Stoudemire to crucial offensive rebounds. On the final play, the Celtics drew a play specifically designed to force a Stoudemire-on-Paul Pierce one-on-one mismatch. And it worked. Pierce got all the space he needed on a step-back jumper off the dribble and drilled the clincher right on Stoudemire.

That’s Stoudemire in a nutshell. He’ll win games on offense and lose them on defense. Now, Bosh isn’t a defensive player of the year by any stretch of the imagination, but he’s far more motivated and effective than Stoudemire. Over the years, the two bigs have been lumped in the same group of all offense-no defense post players, but that’s unfair since, compared to Bosh, Stoudemire is comparatively a matador in the paint. In post-up situations, Bosh has allowed just 36 points on 53 shots this season, ranking him among the league leaders with Dwight Howard and Anderson Varejao. Stoudemire? He’s allowed 79 points on 75 shots from the post. And it gets even worse once we compare the two defending off the dribble. This isn’t anything new, either.

To see how Stoudemire’s defense neutralizes his scoring prowess, consider that the Knicks are about 12 points per 100 possessions better offensively with Stoudemire on the floor, but nine points worse on defensive end. Also troubling? No one has been whistled for more fouls than Stoudemire this season (100).

In the end, we don’t know how Stoudemire would respond to having his touches sliced by a third, not to mention the pay cut to make it work. We don’t know if Miami head coach Erik Spoelstra could tolerate his defensive liabilities.

But what we do know is that it’s a fascinating exercise in basketball imagination that draws more shades of gray than black and white. And that Friday night’s matchup in the Garden will be no less intriguing.
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^ Well, Doomie...I'll say this: Bosh would NOT be an MVP candidate if he was on the Knicks.
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Well, you know I'm right.
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What Miami needs is a good defending PF or C.
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Originally Posted by iLLMaTiC1991
What Miami needs is a good defending PF or C.
No. Miami needs the NBA to allow for the use of TWO basketballs in a game at the same time.

That way, both LeBron and Wade can shoot.
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^ Just relentless
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^ Just relentless
I gotta be me.
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What Miami needs is a good defending PF or C.
not really. Joel Anthony needs to step up more. he has shown that he can rebound when he had that 16 rebound game against atlanta. he's 5th overall on the Heat's list in blocks. When Udonis comes back healthy things will change. Look at the Bulls when they dominated in the 90's they have bill cartwright and luc longley. they won't be remember as much as jorfan or pippen . Honestly i thought they were just 2 people that needed to fill a position in the starting line up.

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Yeah I'm hearing talks, assuming the CBA doesn't change too much, that Miami will use a exemption to go after a big man defender like Tyson Chandler or Sam Dalembert. Technically Haslem and Anthony are our best defenders for their positions but one is hurt and the other is still improving although a great shot blocker.
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Bulls beat Milwaukee. Kurt "Big Sexy" Thomas had a season high of 22 points. Deng was a little slow today.
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I knew the Lakers would come out strong and send a message after Jerry West's comments about the Lakers being old and their defense not being good.
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Sure, Lakers beat the Jazz, but so has everyone else -- by 10+ points lately. It kinda worries me, actually. DWill has expressed his dissatisfaction with Sloan's system lately.
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I sure hope Chicago can stay healthy for a playoff run.
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Sure, Lakers beat the Jazz, but so has everyone else -- by 10+ points lately. It kinda worries me, actually. DWill has expressed his dissatisfaction with Sloan's system lately.
The Lakers led by 30+ for most of the game and ended up winning by 29 and that's saying something every active player got at least 5 minutes and the bench held the lead.
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I sure hope Chicago can stay healthy for a playoff run.
it doesn't help right now with Rose having heartburn problems.
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...that Knicks-Heat game was fun to watch, now hoping for Portland to come through as well....
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it doesn't help right now with Rose having heartburn problems.
Ulcers from eating too much spicy food.
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Nice to see Rose get voted in as an all-star starter.



But, it's clear he's not an MVP-candidate and is a 2nd-rate star. The voters all don't know squat.
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Dammit Lebron
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Dammit Lebron
the block on turiaf was nice Btw that was crap, what the league deem illegal to D-wade's tinted goggles. Just because the defender can't see where his eyes are going. if you are looking at his eyes. he wouldve been passed you already.
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I don't think any NBA rule can be as stupid as the one Rondo had to suffer; no headbands with the NBA logo upside down
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I havent been paying attention to basketball lately to busy

im missing out all I know is that the Kings suck and the Cavs suck and carmelo is staying in Denver for right now
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Nice to see Rose get voted in as an all-star starter.



But, it's clear he's not an MVP-candidate and is a 2nd-rate star. The voters all don't know squat.
Well they did vote in Yao


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