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Old 06-24-2011, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
So, Mike Richards' cap hit is $5.75 million on a contract that goes through 2019-2020.

Isn't this the sort of cap hell Waldorf rants about...?
Seriously?!??! You think that contract is cap hell?!?!?

You need your head examined.

Let me give you an example of a not so good contract:

The Kings had Hadzus for $4 mill. and Poni for $3 mill.
Those guys combined don't come close to Richards output.

Ryan Smyths contract is (varies by year) $5-6 mill.
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Here's why Smyth will be moved shortly:

Cliffs:....Deano = class-act....Smyth = class-act.

quote from Deano:

Question: There’s a lot of speculation surrounding Ryan Smyth. Are you getting a lot of calls on him, and is he a guy that you’re open to moving at this point?

LOMBARDI: “I think it’s pretty well-documented, in terms of what I’m doing here. This has kind of evolved over the last two months, actually. When Ryan asked to be moved, at first I was really troubled. Ryan, in our first 40 games last year I thought he was one of our better players. He kind of tailed off a little and then, in the playoffs, was one of our best players. And certainly, left wing, it’s not one of our strongest positions. So first off, my reaction was, `No way,’ and I couldn’t figure out why, because I think Ryan had adapted well. So I talked to him a couple times, and he was very clear that it had nothing to do with hockey, that it was strictly for his family, that he wanted to go home. I thought about it (for) a week or so and talked to his agent and said, `If it’s a hockey issue, I would not approve of this, because if it’s coaching, the power play, his ice time, who he’s playing with, these are things that we will work through.’ But if it’s a personal thing, a family issue, it’s hard to argue with that and have a player that’s not going to be happy. So I resigned myself. He asked to go back closer to home, and I’ve primarily dealt with three teams, and particularly two right now. This kind of hit the front burner last week, in terms of coming out publicly, because of the predicament I was in. I was talking to other teams about getting a left winger if Ryan goes, and teams say, `Why is he going?’ and I had to explain it to them. I tried to move this along because I have to replace him. I’m not in a great position here. We’re just going to have to adapt. I’ve talked to one team a number of times, and they’ve been very forthright in trying to piece it together. I hope to have that wrapped up here in a day or two. Maybe he changes his mind now that Mike Richards is in our lineup, I don’t know, but it’s an awkward situation. I’ve never had this before. It’s nothing I’ve certainly ever planned on. I think his contract is very favorable, in terms of the cash and (it being) the last year, but we’ve got to adjust to it. So that’s kind of the soap opera that’s been going on for a month and a half. It just kind of broke last week.”
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Seriously?!??! You think that contract is cap hell?!?!?

You need your head examined.

Let me give you an example of a not so good contract:

The Kings had Hadzus for $4 mill. and Poni for $3 mill.
Those guys combined don't come close to Richards output.

Ryan Smyths contract is (varies by year) $5-6 mill.
Meds, dude...meds.


Well, why were you ranting when Chicago signed Hossa to a $5.25M cap hit...?

You were ranting, giving your usual !?!?!?!-response and calling it cap hell.
Just wondering.
Old 06-24-2011, 10:49 AM
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...and why Richards over Carter? Simple....Kings needed for years now a true 2nd line center.....not they have one.

Now for the first time in a very long time the Kings have a one-two punch down the middle
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Wasn't Micro-Schenn supposed to be one of the 1-2 punch?









I'm kidding on this one.

Not so much about the cap hell thing. Never understood your hate of a $5M hit on a productive player and yet, you get the same on your Kings and think it's not.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Meds, dude...meds.


Well, why were you ranting when Chicago signed Hossa to a $5.25M cap hit...?

You were ranting, giving your usual !?!?!?!-response and calling it cap hell.
Just wondering.
meds? I just showed you the numbers. sheesh...you need to take some.:wink:

If you think cap-hell is about just one player's salary.......

Look at the team on the whole.....Your birdies entered cap hell, and then held a swap meet after the cup.

Kings will be holding no swap meet for many years to come.

Look at the entire roster.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
meds? I just showed you the numbers. sheesh...you need to take some.:wink:

If you think cap-hell is about just one player's salary.......

Look at the team on the whole.....Your birdies entered cap hell, and then held a swap meet after the cup.

Kings will be holding no swap meet for many years to come.

Look at the entire roster.
I dunno...one way or another, Chicago went all-in. And given the make-up of that team, the "cap hell" you describe would've continued if they wanted to keep that core.

Signing Hossa (and please, don't get all nuts on me) was necessary to get them the Cup last summer.


Your team may face the same situation with all the FAs coming up next season. And Doughty needs to be signed, right...? I'm not hating the Richards contract...just was wondering why you qualified one deal was hell and the other not.

But, I got your answer and understand your logic.
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Word is the Smyth trade is done....will be announced tomorrow.

...and no, this did not come from Poo.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
I dunno...one way or another, Chicago went all-in. And given the make-up of that team, the "cap hell" you describe would've continued if they wanted to keep that core.

Signing Hossa (and please, don't get all nuts on me) was necessary to get them the Cup last summer.


Your team may face the same situation with all the FAs coming up next season. And Doughty needs to be signed, right...? I'm not hating the Richards contract...just was wondering why you qualified one deal was hell and the other not.

But, I got your answer and understand your logic.
First of all if you think the Kings are going to go to cap-hell next summer over Willie Mitchell, Scott Parse, Dustin Penner, & Kevin Westgarth....I want those meds you got!!!!!!

No cap hell over RFA next year for the Kings.....Deano's contract and structure over the next bunch of years is done quite well. No worries.

I have no qualms with the gamble Chicago took to go all in for The Cup.
....but cap-hell came back to bite them in the end....luckily they got The Cup while they could.

As for Hossa being the missing link to the promised land.....

"money for nothing"

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Old 06-24-2011, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
That's the first I've heard that the NHL owns the name, everything I read that talked about just kept saying crap like, there's a legal hurdle to use the name again.
No, came right out of Bettman's mouth that day they moved. Also read is somewhere. Have a look at this trademark site.

http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/tr...tIndexOnPage=1

Says its owned by the NHL.
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Something very wrong with Ryan Smyth. Wants to leave a team possibly on the cusp of being a serious contender for Edmonton? Something very wrong in that dudes head.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Microscopic-Schenn


You're too much dude.
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Originally Posted by dom
Something very wrong with Ryan Smyth. Wants to leave a team possibly on the cusp of being a serious contender for Edmonton? Something very wrong in that dudes head.
Yea...I dunno....If it really is family related.....you can't fault the guy for going with family over The Cup.

All I know is the guy is a warrior.....who despite his age, gives pretty much his 100% every night. Smyth is a deflection goal extraordinare...the guy has "the gift".

I wish him well.
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Have no fear....Winnipeg will be THE JETS!!!!

A short post for sure, but with the news many have hoped for...

According to multiple sources, including Darren Dreger and Nick Kypreos, the former Atlanta Thrashers team will return to play with the name of Winnipeg Jets next season. The initial wish of ownership was apparently to change the name, although it is thought that public pressure led them back to the Jets name. Up to very recently, however, there was a distinct possibility they would be called the Manitoba Jets, although the indication is that this has been scrapped as well.

In spite of re-adopting the name, it is expected that the team colours and logo will be modified from when the team left Winnipeg for Phoenix in 1996. It is expected that the team will announce the name just prior to making their first pick tonight. If so, I hope they drag out the old school jersey for the kid to throw on, regardless of whether it's what they plan on using or not!
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Originally Posted by dom
No, came right out of Bettman's mouth that day they moved. Also read is somewhere. Have a look at this trademark site.

http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/tr...tIndexOnPage=1

Says its owned by the NHL.
Not doubting it, but it's the first I've heard it. Read one report on a Canadian site after the sale was announced and then saw a piece on the NHL network, when they did a background story on the new owner. Both had talked about legal issues, to get the name.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Word is the Smyth trade is done....will be announced tomorrow.

...and no, this did not come from Poo.
Late word: Smyth to Calgary for a late round pick.
Old 06-24-2011, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
Both had talked about legal issues, to get the name.
I actually recall that as well. I think the legal issues they were talking about involved less money in their pockets.

Anything other than the Jets was nuts IMO. They can change up the design enough so that everyone feels they have to buy a new Jersey and everyone is happy.
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I actually recall that as well. I think the legal issues they were talking about involved less money in their pockets.

Anything other than the Jets was nuts IMO. They can change up the design enough so that everyone feels they have to buy a new Jersey and everyone is happy.
I heard the new Jets colors will be green and white.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
I heard the new Jets colors will be green and white.
Nope, its Canada. Green, Brown, Red, Blue and Purple.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Late word: Smyth to Calgary for a late round pick.
Ah, so its Calgary. Makes more sense. Although I thought the Flames were up against the cap. LA must be taking some $$ back?
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On the Leafs Rumors...

Like before the Phaneuf/Giguere trade things have gone very quiet in the forest. The official, unofficial line is "Nothing Imminent" which is almost alwats exactly the case until a deal is imminent. The actual mood was better put by another Leafs source who said, "Hurry up and wait."

Ok, so here's the bottom line. Toronto and Brian Burke are prepared to take over the news day, but of course they need another team to play ball. They have several "minorish"possible moves in the works, and one (possibly two) flat out EPIC moves. They are waiting on the epics to determine how to proceed with the minor moves, but rest assured fans of this team should be very pleased.

I was informed: "The Leafs are waiting for another team's team meeting to break up because that "other" team is making an "owner's level decision" regarding the direction the team will take in the next week or so."
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Ah, so its Calgary. Makes more sense. Although I thought the Flames were up against the cap. LA must be taking some $$ back?
Hence why Regehr is on his way to the Sabres...?

The Flames are one geriatric team! Old.
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Ah, so its Calgary. Makes more sense. Although I thought the Flames were up against the cap. LA must be taking some $$ back?
I don't think the Kings are taking any money back.....is that possible?
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I'm waiting for something "epic".
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...should clarify. Not epic fail.
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I went to the Thrashers site and already...

http://winnipeg.nhl.com/


Good for the fans of Winnipeg, the owners are listening to the fans.

Now bring back the Whalers & Nordiques!!



edit: so now every Province in Canada has a team. nice.

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Worst kept secret debuts: New Kings Road Jersey for next year

Kings tweet pic of their draft runner in new jersey.


FYI in case you did not know, gone are the purple/black/silver uniforms.

Kings are going back to black & white.

Word is the 3rd jersey will be the "OG - old school" purple and gold jersey they wore a few times last year.
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Originally Posted by SirBLaughs
I went to the Thrashers site and already...

http://winnipeg.nhl.com/


Good for the fans of Winnipeg, the owners are listening to the fans.

Now bring back the Whalers & Nordiques!!



edit: so now every Province in Canada has a team. nice.
Well, not really. Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland, Saskatchewan, and New Brunswick would still need teams...Also, if you want to count the Territories........
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Troy Brouwer , I like it, better than a pick, that may not play for awhile.
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Low blow.

Poor Phil. His game seems half neutured most of the time too.
Truth be told, I was a big fan of Phil when he was here. He seemed like he had a lot of heart, I think he missed about 7-10 games when he was sidelined with frickin' cancer. To me, that seemed amazing.

When he decided that money was more important than making a run for a championship it really soured my opinion of him.
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edit: so now every Province in Canada has a team. nice.
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Troy Brouwer , I like it, better than a pick, that may not play for awhile.
Great pick-up by your Caps.

Tough kid, can score the odd goal here and there, and is versatile to play on the 1st or 4th lines...

Gonna miss him...
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Hawks trade Brian Campbell

And Chicago's Cup winning roster continues to trickle away...a big one too...

The Chicago Blackhawks unloaded a huge contract Friday night, sending talented defenseman Brian Campbell to the Florida Panthers in exchange for winger Rostislav Olesz, a source told ESPN.com.
Campbell, who had to agree to waive his no-trade clause, has five years left on his contract paying him $7.14 million a season.

Olesz has three more years on his deal with a cap hit of $3.125 million.

Campbell had refused to waive the no-trade clause as recently as Thursday night, a source told ESPNChicago.com's Jesse Rogers earlier on Friday. Campbell's agent confirmed Friday night that he had agreed to waive his no-trade clause but would not confirm the trade itself.

Campbell was a Blackhawks-best plus-28 this past season, which placed him eleventh in the league in that category. Campbell had five goals and 22 assists in 65 games in 2011-11.

Olesz had six goals and 11 assists in 44 games for the Panthers last season.
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I just hope Chicago can refill the grit they lost in Brouwer...they already lost a ton of that with the departures of Burish, Fraser, Eager, Ladd, and Byfuglien last year...and now Brouwer.

Maybe with Campbell's huge contract gone, they will now be in play for some significant additions...
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Sharks Trade Setoguchi to Wild for Burns

Story here: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=369904
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Lots of big moves during the trade, definitely was interesting to watch, now on to the 1st
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Kings Send Smyth to Oilers for Fraser and Pick...

Fraser's a decent pick-up.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,7690012.story
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So...there are a few teams not even at the salary cap floor. I have a feeling we're in for some baaaaad contracts.


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