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Yes they can't afford him. But Kessel's been netting 35-40 as a Leave. With no notable centre. He'd net 45-55 on the Pengoons. That's good return.
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Not hating on your comment but, why do you say that?
Oshie may be younger and the "sexier" name but, if you took away the other stars on Chicago's relatively stacked team, Sharp is a top-notch, 1st-line player who has 3 Cups to his name and also one of the alternate captains on a team with Captain Serious, Seabrook, Keith, and etc.
Look at his numbers and compare them to Deano's greatest player ever, Jeff Carter...now, excuse me because maybe Moog will REALLY return to tell me to put down the bong and that Jeff Carter should never be compared to such a lousy player in Sharp and rather, Crosby or Toews instead.
All Oshie knows is how to choke in the playoffs.
@ Blues...
Oshie may be younger and the "sexier" name but, if you took away the other stars on Chicago's relatively stacked team, Sharp is a top-notch, 1st-line player who has 3 Cups to his name and also one of the alternate captains on a team with Captain Serious, Seabrook, Keith, and etc.
Look at his numbers and compare them to Deano's greatest player ever, Jeff Carter...now, excuse me because maybe Moog will REALLY return to tell me to put down the bong and that Jeff Carter should never be compared to such a lousy player in Sharp and rather, Crosby or Toews instead.
All Oshie knows is how to choke in the playoffs.
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Sharp is Kunitz v 2.0 he is older than Oshie and his production has slipped.
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Yeah, won't dispute Phil's talent...his work ethic and personality...quite another. And how the rest of the players think of him is interesting...look at how he was picked last and then made into a gag at the all-star games by his peers.
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Like I said, 20-30 goal average scorer He had a couple 37 goal seasons and got his big contract. He's a scoring winger, but I don't see him as an elite winger worth 8 mil a year, and like I said, the Pens can't afford him
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The B's can afford him about as well as Chicago could.
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Seriously though are there any competitive teams that aren't in cap hell? and when I say competitive I don't mean break out teams, I mean ones who've been competitive over the last 5 years.
There seems to be a great disconnect between where players and their agents value themselves and the reality of building a competitive team under the cap. Not to knock Chicago but 10 mil for Toews and Kane is ridiculous, not because they aren't worth it but because NO nhl player is worth that percentage of your budget.
The players keep wanting pay raises but one players raise in a year is typically more than the cap went up. The GM's are screwing themselves by giving out the contracts and the players are screwing the teams and the fans by not understanding the economics of the cap. I see us hitting another stumbling block in the financial side of the league. The player pay raises are increasing at a much faster rate than the cap.
If we keep going like this, 3 on 3 won't just be for overtime, it will be for regulation as no team will be able to afford to have 5 players on the ice.
There seems to be a great disconnect between where players and their agents value themselves and the reality of building a competitive team under the cap. Not to knock Chicago but 10 mil for Toews and Kane is ridiculous, not because they aren't worth it but because NO nhl player is worth that percentage of your budget.
The players keep wanting pay raises but one players raise in a year is typically more than the cap went up. The GM's are screwing themselves by giving out the contracts and the players are screwing the teams and the fans by not understanding the economics of the cap. I see us hitting another stumbling block in the financial side of the league. The player pay raises are increasing at a much faster rate than the cap.
If we keep going like this, 3 on 3 won't just be for overtime, it will be for regulation as no team will be able to afford to have 5 players on the ice.
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The raises and cap issues are only getting worse, everyone made fun of Pittsburgh because they were one of the first teams to embrace the superstar model, but like BL said, any team that's competitive is having the same cap issues. And as I've already pointed out, the Hawks are going to be gutted after this season due to free agency and contracts coming due.
Seriously though are there any competitive teams that aren't in cap hell? and when I say competitive I don't mean break out teams, I mean ones who've been competitive over the last 5 years.
There seems to be a great disconnect between where players and their agents value themselves and the reality of building a competitive team under the cap. Not to knock Chicago but 10 mil for Toews and Kane is ridiculous, not because they aren't worth it but because NO nhl player is worth that percentage of your budget.
The players keep wanting pay raises but one players raise in a year is typically more than the cap went up. The GM's are screwing themselves by giving out the contracts and the players are screwing the teams and the fans by not understanding the economics of the cap. I see us hitting another stumbling block in the financial side of the league. The player pay raises are increasing at a much faster rate than the cap.
If we keep going like this, 3 on 3 won't just be for overtime, it will be for regulation as no team will be able to afford to have 5 players on the ice.
There seems to be a great disconnect between where players and their agents value themselves and the reality of building a competitive team under the cap. Not to knock Chicago but 10 mil for Toews and Kane is ridiculous, not because they aren't worth it but because NO nhl player is worth that percentage of your budget.
The players keep wanting pay raises but one players raise in a year is typically more than the cap went up. The GM's are screwing themselves by giving out the contracts and the players are screwing the teams and the fans by not understanding the economics of the cap. I see us hitting another stumbling block in the financial side of the league. The player pay raises are increasing at a much faster rate than the cap.
If we keep going like this, 3 on 3 won't just be for overtime, it will be for regulation as no team will be able to afford to have 5 players on the ice.
To continually ice/field a competitive team DESPITE a draconian cap is hence worth noting...so, teams like Chicago, LA, Boston, Pittsburgh, New York, Anaheim, and etc. deserve some recognition. Then again, their cores are impressive.
The raises and cap issues are only getting worse, everyone made fun of Pittsburgh because they were one of the first teams to embrace the superstar model, but like BL said, any team that's competitive is having the same cap issues. And as I've already pointed out, the Hawks are going to be gutted after this season due to free agency and contracts coming due.
Kings, won it twice and relatively had little turnover but then again, missed the playoffs...but, having Slapya Titsov decide his GF/wife was an opposing player during a game probably had a pile to do with that.
It depends on the team...per what I wrote just above, I think it does depend on the core...some cores are better than others. The Pens are another that have a great core but their replenishment of support players has been kinda putrid and also, injuries have pwned them.
Toronto's core? Horrid. Not even a "core".
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Bingo. Then again, any sport that has the cap faces these issues, no?
To continually ice/field a competitive team DESPITE a draconian cap is hence worth noting...so, teams like Chicago, LA, Boston, Pittsburgh, New York, Anaheim, and etc. deserve some recognition. Then again, their cores are impressive.
To continually ice/field a competitive team DESPITE a draconian cap is hence worth noting...so, teams like Chicago, LA, Boston, Pittsburgh, New York, Anaheim, and etc. deserve some recognition. Then again, their cores are impressive.
NHL GM's negotiate primarily out of fear. Fear of losing the player and fear of the player hurting them on another team.
The B's are in that situation with Dougie Hamilton. Rumor is he want's 6 millions a year. The problem is he's not worth 6 million a year right now. Maybe in 2-4 years he will be worth that much but to give him a 5 year 6 million deal is a huge risk. He may never improve over what he is now and never be worth what he's being paid but if you sign the deal out of fear of losing him, you're stuck with him no matter what. If he never becomes worth what his salary is he becomes untradeable making you situation worse.
Personally, If someone were to extend an offer sheet to him in the over 7 million (either because they think he's worth it or because they're trying to goad the B's into overpaying and worsening their cap situation) I say let him go and take the draft pick compensation. Especially if it's Edmonton since they typically have very good draft positions.
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Really they all need to look at Belichick, he doesn't care who you are, he's not overpaying you and has no trouble cutting ties with fan favorites if he feels it's the best move for the team.
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Bruins traded the right to overpay Carl soderberg to Colorado for a 2016 6th round pick. Carl is looking for 5 mil a year which would make him the highest paid player in the nhl who is blind in 1 eye.
It's only a 6th round pick but I think Colorado got hosed.
It's only a 6th round pick but I think Colorado got hosed.
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And what do the Oilers need above all else? Defense. Cuz, clearly, all the #1 overall forwards are really getting them a Cup soon.