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Old 05-14-2014 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TeknoKing
Seriously? Malkin? The guy was all over the place, doing everything possible, while your captain was dragging his feet.
True, but you just don't trade Crosby... until he's 30+ anyway. He's the face of the Pens and the league for that matter.
Old 05-14-2014 | 09:21 AM
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I don't expect either Malkin or Crosby to move, I expect them to build around those 2 like they should have done better before
Old 05-14-2014 | 09:23 AM
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I wonder where the Cup is right now
Old 05-14-2014 | 09:26 AM
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It would be crazy to trade Malkin. He is great. He did far more than Crosby this year.
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Old 05-14-2014 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL
I don't expect either Malkin or Crosby to move, I expect them to build around those 2 like they should have done better before
Maybe they can sign Putin to a long term deal. He got 6 goals and 5 assists in his last game and they won 21-4. He's obviously in tune with Pitts defensive system of score more goals than they do.
Old 05-14-2014 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by black label
Maybe they can sign Putin to a long term deal. He got 6 goals and 5 assists in his last game and they won 21-4. He's obviously in tune with Pitts defensive system of score more goals than they do.
His goalie must have been a Finn.
Old 05-14-2014 | 09:33 AM
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It would be crazy to trade Malkin. He is great. He did far more than Crosby this year.
Agreed, he is streaky, but when he's on, he's on. 6 goals is 6 times better than what Sid had
Old 05-14-2014 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by srika
I wonder where the Cup is right now
Its on it way to Boston for Game 1 of the Bruins-Hawks final.
Old 05-14-2014 | 09:40 AM
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I think TeknoSrika is escorting it now
Old 05-14-2014 | 09:41 AM
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Actually, they've had it in the NBC studio since the playoffs started
Old 05-14-2014 | 09:50 AM
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That's just a replica, They're not going to leave the real Cup in the hands of you wacky Yanks.
Old 05-14-2014 | 10:01 AM
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Wow, reading some of the analysis, you'd think the writers were on glue.


You do NOT trade TWO franchise-players in Malkin and Crosby. Period. Yeah, like they grow on trees...unless, the return is jaw-dropping, the Pens do not move them.

If anything, they need to probably, like most contending teams, re-work the bottom 6 forwards and add more experienced depth on the blueline. It's amazing what an extra experienced, mobile, and smart d-man can do (speaking from observing what Oduya has brought to Chicago's top 4).

And if Bylsma is gone...get a coach who preaches better puck possession/support and voila, Pens can be fixed.


Trade Malkin.

Stupidest over-reaction EVAR. Sounds like a bunch of Eklunds are writing over in Toronto and etc.
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Old 05-14-2014 | 10:03 AM
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The Pens issues are poor discipline at the worst times and mediocre overall puck support overall by the forwards when the opponents starts going the other way. And as Ack has said, that can be fixed with a better coach...Bylsma is good but I think maybe he got stale in Pittsburgh.

And as I said right above...try to get another true Top 4 d-man and add 2-3 experienced bottom 6 forwards...fixable.
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Old 05-14-2014 | 10:08 AM
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Dan hit his expiration date, that's for sure. I'm expecting Orpik will be gone so there definitely will be some shakeup on D. However, Scuderi and Martin were supposed to be the smart veteran D you refer to
Old 05-14-2014 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL
Dan hit his expiration date, that's for sure. I'm expecting Orpik will be gone so there definitely will be some shakeup on D. However, Scuderi and Martin were supposed to be the smart veteran D you refer to
And voila...you're agreeing with me about your D's situation. You only have two players. That's about 2 responsible and savvy blueliners you're short on.

While, I'm not a fan of Orpik for some of his questionable play at times, I think he's similar to Jackman of the Blues and has alot of value to your team if in the right role/spot.
Old 05-14-2014 | 10:44 AM
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Ah, the aftermath.

Crosby and Malkin are staying. I'd keep our top 2 lines intact, they played great most of the season. Dupuis injury really hurt the chemistry.

Coach is gone, that's a given. Bring in Barry Trotz.

I'd like to see Shero fired. Pens have drafted horribly under his regime.

Get rid of Letang, Orpik and Scuderi. Call up Dumolin and Derrick Pouliot eventually. Despres will be full time next year.

We need better bottom 6 forwards. The rangers 3rd line of Zucc-Brassard-Pouliot killed us this series. We have no offensive depth, you shut down 87-71 we have no tertiary scoring. Jokinen was our MVP this playoff. Sutter is coming into form, good 3rd line center but he has no help.

Crosby 1 goal???? Maybe he's hurt...that's unacceptable performance.
Old 05-14-2014 | 10:48 AM
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Crosby said he was not injured in the post-game interview.

I'd say his struggles are mental.
Old 05-14-2014 | 10:50 AM
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if you look at the teams that have playoff success, Boston/Chicago for instance, they have four decent lines and can roll the lines and have scoring depth. Pens are too top heavy and it just proved when you shut down 87-71 you shut down our offense.

If you like to play the hindsight game, why the fuck didn't we draft brandon Saad or John Gibson they are from freaking pittsburgh. We took joe morrow instead of Saad and look how that turned out. Turned into an old Brendan Morrow after the trade cuz Shero loves his Dmen.
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Wow, reading some of the analysis, you'd think the writers were on glue.

You do NOT trade TWO franchise-players in Malkin and Crosby. Period. Yeah, like they grow on trees...unless, the return is jaw-dropping, the Pens do not move them.
Exactly, like what if the Leafs offered up Phaneuf.









By seriously, a Malkin trade I may consider, is if Nashville decided to part with Weber straight up.
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:19 AM
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Pens need a top D man, better goaltending, and a system that emphasizes more defense responsibility.

...but this is nothing new....it's been said for years now.

Pengoons fans are finally coming around to the truth.
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:22 AM
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Ah, the aftermath.

Crosby and Malkin are staying. I'd keep our top 2 lines intact, they played great most of the season. Dupuis injury really hurt the chemistry.

Coach is gone, that's a given. Bring in Barry Trotz.

I'd like to see Shero fired. Pens have drafted horribly under his regime.

Get rid of Letang, Orpik and Scuderi. Call up Dumolin and Derrick Pouliot eventually. Despres will be full time next year.

We need better bottom 6 forwards. The rangers 3rd line of Zucc-Brassard-Pouliot killed us this series. We have no offensive depth, you shut down 87-71 we have no tertiary scoring. Jokinen was our MVP this playoff. Sutter is coming into form, good 3rd line center but he has no help.

Crosby 1 goal???? Maybe he's hurt...that's unacceptable performance.
Do you realize how undesirable Letang is as a player? I mean he's undesirable enough because he's a defenseman who sucks at defense. He's a recovering stroke victim, that's going to make people wonder about his future abilities. Those 2 issues aside, the pens decided they wanted to lock him up to a max contract and make him one of the highest paid defensemen in the league.

You might as well legally change his name to "Herpes LeHIV" because he's yours for life.
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Pens need a top D man, better goaltending, and a system that emphasizes more defense responsibility.

...but this is nothing new....it's been said for years now.

Pengoons fans are finally coming around to the truth.
Your Kings will be in the same position in a couple of years. Cup winners who 5 years later can't climb the mountain again. This is why is better to just not make the playoffs at all. Less heartbreak.
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Old 05-14-2014 | 11:24 AM
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You might as well legally change his name to "Herpes LeHIV" because he's yours for life.
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:25 AM
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Crosby said he was not injured in the post-game interview.

I'd say his struggles are mental.
He barely looked like he knew where he was toward the end, my guess is from all the blows to the back of the head and neck from Mr. Staal
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:26 AM
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And voila...you're agreeing with me about your D's situation. You only have two players. That's about 2 responsible and savvy blueliners you're short on.
No, we had Niskanen and Orpik, that makes 4. Bortuzzo is another stay at home who got in once Orpik got hurt, but I really would have liked to see them play Engelland, he never even got a look or a second thought.
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:28 AM
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Wow, reading some of the analysis, you'd think the writers were on glue.


You do NOT trade TWO franchise-players in Malkin and Crosby. Period. Yeah, like they grow on trees...unless, the return is jaw-dropping, the Pens do not move them.

If anything, they need to probably, like most contending teams, re-work the bottom 6 forwards and add more experienced depth on the blueline. It's amazing what an extra experienced, mobile, and smart d-man can do (speaking from observing what Oduya has brought to Chicago's top 4).

And if Bylsma is gone...get a coach who preaches better puck possession/support and voila, Pens can be fixed.


Trade Malkin.

Stupidest over-reaction EVAR. Sounds like a bunch of Eklunds are writing over in Toronto and etc.
I'm not saying it's always a solution but saying you can't do it isn't correct either.

Boston has traded away #1 pick Joe Thornton, #2 pick Tyler Seguin and whatever pick Kessel was (he was Bostons #1 scorer at the time) and consistently made the team better.

Individual talent doesn't make a team, teamwork makes a team.
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Old 05-14-2014 | 11:32 AM
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I love how we all pick on Penguin fans. Its because there are 2 of you, and only 1 of us for our respective teams. I personally don't like to kick sand in the face of a man with fresh wounds. So all I'll say is, there will be 29 other teams asking just as many questions when they're eliminated.

I mean, if Boston or Chicago don't win the Cup, management and ownership and their fans should just off themselves.

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Old 05-14-2014 | 11:45 AM
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Old 05-14-2014 | 11:53 AM
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I'm not saying it's always a solution but saying you can't do it isn't correct either.

Boston has traded away #1 pick Joe Thornton, #2 pick Tyler Seguin and whatever pick Kessel was (he was Bostons #1 scorer at the time) and consistently made the team better.

Individual talent doesn't make a team, teamwork makes a team.


You're saying Party-Seggy, Chokejob-Joe, and Fill-the-Thrill are on the same tier as Malkin and Crosby?!?


Dude. Put down the bong.

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Old 05-14-2014 | 11:55 AM
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Rumor is, we're trading Malkin straight up for Kessel, Bernier, and Phaneuf, start planning next years parade now
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:56 AM
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Don't get me wrong, Seguin, Thornton, and Kessel are GOOD players...all-stars...but, they are not graded as high as Malkin and Crosby.

The latter two are types, like Stamkos, who come along once only in a few years. You keep these types of players and try to build around them.





Your Bruins trades are similar to Columbus giving up a Nash or Brad Richards leaving...
Old 05-14-2014 | 11:57 AM
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Your Kings will be in the same position in a couple of years. Cup winners who 5 years later can't climb the mountain again. This is why is better to just not make the playoffs at all. Less heartbreak.
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No, we had Niskanen and Orpik, that makes 4. Bortuzzo is another stay at home who got in once Orpik got hurt, but I really would have liked to see them play Engelland, he never even got a look or a second thought.
Niskanen is not a top 4 d-man IMO. Sorry. He makes too many bone-headed plays to be considered one...we're not seeing why Dallas tossed him into the trade for Goligoski so willingly.

He has some good puck-moving skills but the penchant for brain-cramps/poor focus...not someone you want seeing top lines regularly...hence why I think he's not a top 4 pairing.
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Laugh it up, because the laughs stop when my Ducks eliminate your Queens tonight.
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Old 05-14-2014 | 01:36 PM
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Personally, I think the Pens issues in the playoffs the last few years is ALL a big-time setup to get McDavid.

Just watch, they'll "purge" due to the on-purpose failures next season and just have a rag-tag group around Malkin and Crosby and all other players from the ECHL/KHL/Russia so that they can get McDavid 1st overall.

I know what the Pens are trying to do.
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You're saying Party-Seggy, Chokejob-Joe, and Fill-the-Thrill are on the same tier as Malkin and Crosby?!?


Dude. Put down the bong.
I'd put Crosby and Malkin in the same category as Ovechkin, talented individual but misses the point of the team concept.

And I can't put it down, game 7 tonight, it's medicinal... for my anxiety...

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If put Crosby and Malkin in the same category as Ovechkin, talented individual but misses the point of the team concept.
You know, Crosby and Malkin have their critics...but, being "selfish" players are not one of them that I've heard.

What I've seen in their playoff failures is a misuse of their focus, be it from trying to do too much, or retaliating and playing right into the hands of the other team (i.e. Flyers, Bruins)...

Ovechkin? He's the guy who's loafing around trying to cherry-pick for the next goal. I do not peg Sid and Malkin in that category.
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