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Old 01-08-2010, 10:40 AM
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I think Gilbert will end up pretty good. Cannon arm.
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i think it was williams (#9), but he should have caught a TD. went right through his hands.
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
It took them 13 other wins to get there. Gilbert played better than McElroy.
It took both teams 13 wins to get there. I just would have liked to have seen Texas' best product on the field. I'm not saying they would've won, because the whole complexion of the game would have been completely different, but there will always be that "what if..." question hanging out there.

Yes, Gilbert played better than McElroy in stretches, but his inexperience caught up with him at the end of the game when Texas still had a chance to win.

That said, I saw a lot out of Texas that gives me hope for next season.
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don't think anyone commented on this, but the gatorade dump on saban was classic.

looked like the gatorade tub actually hit him!

never was a fan of saban so his displeasure (or look of) afterwards allowed me to smile, at least.
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
actually, in hindsight, we probably should have just taken a knee. forgot there was less than a minute left.
Yes the correct call would have been to not call a timeout down 8 points with the clock running < 10 seconds left in the half... or just hand the ball off.

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Yes, Gilbert played better than McElroy in stretches, but his inexperience caught up with him at the end of the game when Texas still had a chance to win.
McElroy actually played pretty terrible.. 6/11 58 yards. Can't blame him though when you have 2 RBs > 100 yards each against a Texas defense that couldn't stop the run.
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texas will have a great QB in Gilbert with a little more experience under his belt.....
cant deny bama their championship because Colt got hurt(poor guy)

Colt deserved to play in this game win or lose and its a shame he didnt...also hurting his standings in the up coming draft

ROLL TIDE!!
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will it really hurts his standings?

scouts and coaches already know what he's capable of. it's just that he didn't play in the national championship game. of course, the last game he played in...he didn't do so well. but ever since that game, we've heard nothing but praise for suh and the nebraska defense.

i don't think it will hurt his standings. he's still behind several QBs. those that need to know already know what he's about.
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Originally Posted by hornyleprechaun
McElroy actually played pretty terrible.. 6/11 58 yards. Can't blame him though when you have 2 RBs > 100 yards each against a Texas defense that couldn't stop the run.
Exactly right. Bama is not a qb-driven team like Texas is. McElroy did not have to play a great game, especially with the circumstances as they were with his team playing with the lead.

McCoy was as important to Texas as Manning is to the Colts.
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Sad to see McCoy get the shoulder injury 4 minutes into the game. I don't believe this injury will jeopardize his draft status. Hell, Bradford has way more question marks and he will still go first round IMO. I got home to see the 2nd half after work and I really though Texas was going to pull it off. It was deja vu from 2006 all over again, I thought Vince Young was going to throw on the burnt orange and jump in LOL. Wasn't Gilbert's fault he was blindsided on the blitz and gave up the fumble. He played with remarkable poise for a redshirt frosh and has many great years ahead of him.

I <3 Shipley, reminds me of Wes Welker.

Props to Ingram and Richardson, Bama is handsdown preseason #1 with all the starters returning and their potent running game. For any team to go undefeated, let alone out of the SEC, is remarkable
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Originally Posted by surfer rick
Wasn't Gilbert's fault he was blindsided on the blitz and gave up the fumble. He played with remarkable poise for a redshirt frosh and has many great years ahead of him.
True Freshman, which makes it even more impressive.
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Originally Posted by surfer rick
Props to Ingram and Richardson, Bama is handsdown preseason #1 with all the starters returning and their potent running game.
To quote Lee Corso "Not so fast my friend". They're losing a lot on D.

Boise St, Oregon, Ohio State, USC all returning quite a few starters.
However, I do agree they'll be preseason #1, just not a handsdown #1
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Originally Posted by cmschmie
To quote Lee Corso "Not so fast my friend". They're losing a lot on D.

Boise St, Oregon, Ohio State, USC all returning quite a few starters.
However, I do agree they'll be preseason #1, just not a handsdown #1
They also have a tough SEC away schedule and a game @ Penn State. They will have a very talented, but young defense. Will probably go 10-2 or 9-3 like Florida did in 2007 after winning the MNC.
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I thought Penn St. was meh this year with losses to OSU and Iowa. Big 10 has been less than impressive this past season although Buckeyes looked good in the Rose Bowl.

It's favorable the Tide are hosting PSU, Florida and Auburn. I'd say their away game at LSU looks to be the pivotal point on their schedule.

Anyhoo, my point is with Ingram/Richardson they can win with less than impressive QB stats as evidenced by last night's game They're losing a couple 1st rounders from defense but their roster runs deep and Saban is a recruiting genius.
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Originally Posted by surfer rick
I thought Penn St. was meh this year with losses to OSU and Iowa. Big 10 has been less than impressive this past season although Buckeyes looked good in the Rose Bowl.

It's favorable the Tide are hosting PSU, Florida and Auburn. I'd say their away game at LSU looks to be the pivotal point on their schedule.

Anyhoo, my point is with Ingram/Richardson they can win with less than impressive QB stats as evidenced by last night's game They're losing a couple 1st rounders from defense but their roster runs deep and Saban is a recruiting genius.
Ah sorry thought it was @ Penn State in 2010. Penn State usually has a pretty stout defense so that will help them out. The three games that Alabama struggled in this year were against teams who played good defense (Tennessee, Auburn, Texas). While the score doesn't indicate good defense by Texas, Alabama benefited from turnovers giving them good field position.

They do have good depth and are recruiting great, but you get what you pay for
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that mcelroy, despite playing badly, didn't have to play well to win. alabama was just trying to play a short field anyways. he just needed to manage the offense and not create turnovers.

Originally Posted by surfer rick
Sad to see McCoy get the shoulder injury 4 minutes into the game. I don't believe this injury will jeopardize his draft status. Hell, Bradford has way more question marks and he will still go first round IMO. I got home to see the 2nd half after work and I really though Texas was going to pull it off. It was deja vu from 2006 all over again, I thought Vince Young was going to throw on the burnt orange and jump in LOL. Wasn't Gilbert's fault he was blindsided on the blitz and gave up the fumble. He played with remarkable poise for a redshirt frosh and has many great years ahead of him.
yea, i agree that the fumble wasn't his fault. and the picks at the end are just desperation turnovers. the game was practically over by then anyways.

I <3 Shipley, reminds me of Wes Welker.
i was gonna say the same thing. either kirk or brent said he'll have a long career in the pros as a slot receiver, and i agree.

(also helps that he's 24!)
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Yea what's up with these 6th year seniors LOL?
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Don't know which thread to post this in, but ESPN's Chris Mortenson is reporting he would be surprised if Pete Carroll didn't reach an agreement with the Seattle Seahawks...

Must mean Pete knows of some NCAA sanctions coming down...
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Yea what's up with these 6th year seniors LOL?
Probably a medical redshirt for that 6th year
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Damn didn't PC learn his lesson from his last NFL stint? He's a demigod at SC. I don't know why he would leave unless he's privy to some inside info about sanctions. I thought the SC basketball program was the one in hot water because of Mayo?!?
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Originally Posted by surfer rick
Yea what's up with these 6th year seniors LOL?


he was there for so long, 3 years ago, i thought he was the younger brother of another player named shipley. then i realized it was the same person!

he redshirted and got a medical redshirt.
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Yeah they say he arrived in Vince Young's sophomore year which was hella long ago LOL.
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Originally Posted by surfer rick
Damn didn't PC learn his lesson from his last NFL stint? He's a demigod at SC. I don't know why he would leave unless he's privy to some inside info about sanctions. I thought the SC basketball program was the one in hot water because of Mayo?!?
USC is getting investigated for the Reggie Bush thing.. the case has not been closed on that yet. The NCAA has also lumped the basketball & football investigations together.. Lack of Institutional Control
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another NCAA coach gone

Say bye bye to Jim Leavitt of Uiversity of South Florida
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Originally Posted by hornyleprechaun
Are you serious? A true freshman went into the biggest game of his life against one of the nations best defenses. He started out flat, but that was play calling IMO. He looked more poised in the 2nd half and was making the passes that needed to be made.
i do agree.. he played really good considering all the pressure he was under, but idk if he will be, to say "great" throughout his college career. but i could be wrong..

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at least he didn't start crying like tebow and held back his tear. j/k.


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i don't think the shovel pass was a bad call. typically, it is a safe call and given how badly gilbert was playing, i think it was a good call on that down (3rd, was it?).

i just dunno if gilbert should have attempted it though given how close the RB was to the defenders.

but my memory fades me already.

it sure did prove to change things up since a 17-6 deficit would have helped our "comeback".
it would've helped, but then again, Bama wouldn't have played so conservatively in the 3rd quarter and been more aggresive with their running game.
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Originally Posted by surfer rick
Sad to see McCoy get the shoulder injury 4 minutes into the game. I don't believe this injury will jeopardize his draft status. Hell, Bradford has way more question marks and he will still go first round IMO. I got home to see the 2nd half after work and I really though Texas was going to pull it off. It was deja vu from 2006 all over again, I thought Vince Young was going to throw on the burnt orange and jump in LOL. Wasn't Gilbert's fault he was blindsided on the blitz and gave up the fumble. He played with remarkable poise for a redshirt frosh and has many great years ahead of him.

I <3 Shipley, reminds me of Wes Welker.

Props to Ingram and Richardson, Bama is handsdown preseason #1 with all the starters returning and their potent running game. For any team to go undefeated, let alone out of the SEC, is remarkable
1.) hopefully to my sorry ass redskins
2.) i agree 100%
3.) make that 2 SEC teams! and only because they didnt have to play each other.. i really think that if all the SEC teams were in different conferences, 10 out of 12 teams would be ranked.. and 6 of those 10 would be ranked pretty highly!

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niimesh you would like the sorry ass redskins! GO COWBOYS! haha

i agree on the the SEC statement 100%...SEC dominates wonder when others will realize that haha
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Pete Carroll to sign 5 year $35 million deal to become Seahawks coach and president

Nothing official from USC yet...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...year-35m-deal/

Report: Carroll close to five-year, $35m deal
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 8, 2010 8:15 PM ET
Maybe Leslie Frazier shouldn't go through with that interview.

Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times reports that Pete Carroll and the Seahawks are "close to a deal" that would pay Carroll $35 million over the next five seasons to be Seattle's coach and team president.

Carroll has often attributed his mediocre record in New England to his lack of control over personnel. That wouldn't be a problem in Seattle, where the president tag indicates Carroll would run just about everything.

USC appears to be in the dark about the Carroll stories.

"In the past, [Carroll] hasn't commented on such report," USC sports information Tim Tessalone said. "He was not expected in today. I've put a message out to him, but haven't heard back yet."

With the Seahawks still needing to interview Frazier to comply with the Rooney Rule, we wouldn't expect to hear anything official from Carroll or the Seahawks soon.
And...

http://www.dailynews.com/usc/ci_14151185

Sources: USC coach Carroll headed to Seattle

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<script language="JavaScript"> if(requestedWidth > 0){ document.getElementById('articleViewerGroup').styl e.width = requestedWidth + "px"; document.getElementById('articleViewerGroup').styl e.margin = "0px 0px 10px 10px"; } </script>Pete Carroll did not officially inform USC he was leaving as of Friday afternoon but sources within the university said he accepted a job with the Seattle Seahawks and only needed to agree to final contract details. USC sources said Carroll agreed to a five-year deal with the Seahawks with the only question how much power he would have in the organization. The Seahawks lack a coach and general manager and Carroll's often expressed a hope to do both when he returned to the NFL.

Athletic director Mike Garrett is expected to target Oregon State coach Mike Riley as his No. 1 choice. The other top candidates are former USC players: Jacksonville Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio and Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher. Another possible candidate, according to sources, is Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh.
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bye bye USC top 10 poll rankings every year??
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bye bye USC top 10 poll rankings every year??
I think if they can bring in a coach that can recruit like Carroll, USC will be fine.

What I don't get is this: A previous NFL coach with a just-above .500 winning percentage (34-33), has success as a college coach, and now commands a $7M per year salary?
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Sources: Seahawks hire USC's Carroll

Official:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4810861

Got out just in time (before NCAA penalties).

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Dang, these "analysts" are quick on the trigger!

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/column...ark&id=4804655

Way-too-early 2010 Top 25

The 2009 college football season isn't even 24 hours behind us, but it's never too early to take a look at the country's best teams for 2010.

Alabama, which defeated Texas 37-21 in Thursday night's Citi BCS National Championship Game at the Rose Bowl, will enter the 2010 season ranked No. 1 in ESPN.com's Way-Too-Early College Football Top 25. The Crimson Tide will have to replace a few key players on defense, but there's no reason to believe they won't win the SEC again.

Ohio State, which had been the sport's punching bag in recent seasons, debuts at No. 2 in 2010. BCS busters Boise State and TCU aren't going away anytime soon, either. The Broncos and Horned Frogs could be in better position to challenge for a spot in the BCS Championship Game.

Florida, which came within one victory of playing for a second straight BCS title, slips to No. 11 after losing quarterback Tim Tebow and a boatload of other players to the NFL draft. Traditional heavyweights Oklahoma and Southern California slipped to Nos. 12 and 20, respectively.

Of course, this list is subject to change as players decide to leave school for the NFL draft. For now, let the debates begin. The 2010 college football season begins in less than eight months.

1. Alabama Crimson Tide
The Crimson Tide will suffer some heavy personnel losses on defense, including mammoth nose tackle Terrence Cody, cornerback Javier Arenas and possibly junior linebacker Rolando McClain. But nearly all of Alabama's firepower is coming back on offense, including Heisman Trophy winner Mark Ingram and receiver Julio Jones. The schedule gets a little more difficult, with home games against Penn State on Sept. 11 and Florida on Oct. 2. With the way coach Nick Saban has recruited the past few years, though, the Crimson Tide should be in position to win their second consecutive BCS national championship.

2. Ohio State Buckeyes
The Buckeyes might finally earn some respect nationally after beating Oregon 26-17 in the Rose Bowl Game presented by Citi. Terrelle Pryor finally looked like the quarterback everyone thought he would be, and coach Jim Tressel might finally be ready to open his playbook in 2010, Pryor's third season. Only two starters are leaving on offense: tight end Jake Ballard and left tackle Jim Cordle. Five starters, including end Thaddeus Gibson and safeties Anderson Russell and Kurt Coleman, are leaving the defense. But it would have been worse if end Cameron Heyward and cornerback Chimdi Chekwa hadn't returned for their senior seasons. The Buckeyes play Miami at home on Sept. 11, but play road games at Wisconsin and Iowa.

3. Boise State Broncos
Voters won't have a reason to keep the Broncos out of the Citi BCS National Championship Game in 2010. Boise State finished its second unbeaten season and won its second BCS bowl game in four years by beating TCU 17-10 in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl. The Broncos will bring back 21 of 22 starters on offense and defense, losing only star cornerback Kyle Wilson. Quarterback Kellen Moore will be a Heisman Trophy candidate. Boise State will have two chances to prove its mettle to voters: at home against Oregon State on Sept. 25 and against Virginia Tech at FedEx Field in Landover, Md., on Oct. 2.

4. Oregon Ducks
Chip Kelly's first season as Oregon's head coach had to be considered a success, even after the Ducks lost to Ohio State in the Rose Bowl to finish 10-3. All but three starters are expected back in 2010, including quarterback Jeremiah Masoli and tailback LaMichael James. Tight end Ed Dickson is the only offensive starter leaving, and defensive end Will Tukuafu and tackle Blake Ferras will have to be replaced on defense. Oregon's nonconference schedule isn't too grueling, with home games against New Mexico and FCS opponent Portland State sandwiched around a road game at Tennessee. But Oregon will have to play Pac-10 road games at USC, California and rival Oregon State.

5. Texas Longhorns
After losing to Alabama in the Citi BCS National Championship Game, the Longhorns will undergo a renovation of sorts in 2010. But few programs are as equipped as Texas to reload from year to year. Replacing quarterback Colt McCoy will be Texas' primary concern. Freshman Garrett Gilbert assumed control of the Longhorns' offense much earlier than expected after McCoy was forced to the sideline with an injury Thursday. He'll be the favorite to start at quarterback. Receiver Jordan Shipley and three starters on the offensive line also will have to be replaced. Three starters are leaving on defense, including end Sergio Kindle and tackle Lamarr Houston. All-American safety Earl Thomas also could turn pro. The Longhorns play three of their four nonconference games at home, including a Sept. 25 contest against UCLA, and play Big 12 rivals Oklahoma State and Texas A&M in Austin.

6. Virginia Tech Hokies
The Hokies are hoping their 37-14 rout of Tennessee in the Chick-fil-A Bowl is a springboard to bigger things in 2010. With quarterback Tyrod Taylor and one of the country's best stables of running backs coming back, there's plenty of reason for optimism. Tailback Ryan Williams was one of the country's best freshmen in 2009, and sophomore Darren Evans should be back from torn knee ligaments that caused him to miss all of the 2009 season. Taylor needs to continue to develop as a passer, but his receiving corps will be more experienced. Replacing guard Sergio Render and tackle Ed Wang are priorities on offense. The Hokies will lose seven starters on defense, including linebacker Cody Grimm, safeties Kam Chancellor and Dorian Porch, and end Jason Worilds, who declared for the NFL draft. The nonconference schedule is challenging, with home games against Central Michigan and East Carolina, along with the Oct. 2 contest against Boise State at FedEx Field.

7. TCU Horned Frogs
TCU's loss to Boise State prevented it from finishing undefeated, but the Horned Frogs should be in position to make a run at another BCS bowl game in 2010. The Horned Frogs lose only two starters on offense: left tackle Marshall Newhouse and tailback Joseph Turner. Seven starters are coming back on defense, but defensive end Jerry Hughes, linebacker Daryl Washington, and cornerbacks Nick Sanders and Rafael Priest are big losses. TCU is expected to open its season at Dallas Cowboys Stadium against Oregon State on Sept. 4. The Horned Frogs also have a home game against Baylor and a road game at SMU in their nonconference schedule.

8. Nebraska Cornhuskers
After the Cornhuskers blasted Arizona 33-0 in the Pacific Life Holiday Bowl, coach Bo Pelini announced, "Nebraska's back and we're here to stay." Pelini might be right. The Black Shirt defense is definitely back, but Nebraska's offense will have to get better if it's going to contend for a Big 12 championship in 2010. All-American defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh will be sorely missed, along with four other starters on defense. Center Jacob Hickman is the only offensive starter leaving. The Cornhuskers play nonconference games against Western Kentucky, Idaho and FCS foe South Dakota State at home and play Washington on the road. They play Big 12 games at Oklahoma State and Texas A&M, but play Texas, Missouri and Kansas in Lincoln, Neb.

9. Iowa Hawkeyes
It would have been interesting to see how Iowa would have finished if quarterback Ricky Stanzi hadn't sprained his ankle in a 17-10 loss to Northwestern on Nov. 7. The Hawkeyes were undefeated before Stanzi was hurt, and they were really good when he returned in a 24-14 win over Georgia Tech in the FedEx Orange Bowl. Iowa will have back six starters on offense, but the line must be rebuilt with center Rafael Eubanks, right guard Dace Richardson, left tackle Bryan Bulaga and right tackle Kyle Calloway leaving. Nine starters should return to a very stingy defense. The Hawkeyes' nonconference schedule isn't overly challenging besides a Sept. 18 road game at Arizona, and they play Big Ten heavyweights Penn State, Wisconsin and Ohio State at home.

10. Wisconsin Badgers
After a couple of so-so seasons, Bret Bielema has Wisconsin back on track. The Badgers beat Miami 20-14 in the Champs Sports Bowl to finish 10-3. With tailback John Clay coming back, and quarterback Scott Tolzien making big strides at season's end, the Badgers should be very good on offense in 2010. Tight end Garrett Graham is the only offensive starter leaving. Three starters will have to be replaced on the defensive line, along with linebacker Jaevery McFadden and safety Chris Maragos. The Badgers' nonconference schedule isn't especially challenging, with a road game at UNLV and home contests against San Jose State, Arizona State and FCS foe Austin Peay. Wisconsin will play Big Ten road games at Michigan State, Iowa and Michigan, but it plays Ohio State at home.

11. Florida Gators
After falling just short of playing for its third BCS national championship in four seasons, Florida faces huge questions in 2010. First and foremost, Gators coach Urban Meyer is taking an indefinite leave of absence and isn't sure he'll coach his team next season. If not, offensive coordinator Steve Addazio will serve as interim coach. Sophomore John Brantley, who has received high praise from Meyer, will replace record-setting quarterback Tim Tebow. Receivers Riley Cooper and David Nelson will be missed, along with tight end Aaron Hernandez, who is entering the NFL draft as a junior. Center Maurkice Pouncey and guard Mike Pouncey also are considering leaving a year early for the draft. The losses on defense might be even more severe. Linebackers Brandon Spikes and Ryan Stamper are seniors, and cornerback Joe Haden has already decided to leave as a junior. End Carlos Dunlap also is considering leaving for the NFL.

12. Oklahoma Sooners
If there was anything good to come out of Oklahoma's nightmarish 8-5 season in 2009, it was that several younger players had prominent positions replacing injured stars. Oklahoma's offense will be more equipped for success in 2010 with quarterback Landry Jones having taken most of the snaps in 2009. The running game will be solid if junior DeMarco Murray doesn't declare for the NFL draft. If Murray comes back, Oklahoma will return seven offensive starters. But offensive tackle Trent Williams and guard Brian Simmons will be key losses. The losses on defense will be heavy. All-America tackle Gerald McCoy and cornerback Dominique Franks have already declared for the NFL draft, and end Jeremy Beal and linebacker Travis Lewis are considering doing the same. If they leave, Oklahoma would have to replace as many as eight starters on defense.

13. Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
It's hard to figure out the Yellow Jackets, who used coach Paul Johnson's triple-option spread attack to run through the ACC in each of the past two seasons, only to then play poorly in each of their past two bowl games. Georgia Tech should be favored to win its second consecutive ACC championship in 2010 if it returns a couple of juniors -- tailback Jonathan Dwyer and defensive end Derrick Morgan. Junior receiver Demaryius Thomas will enter the NFL draft. If Dwyer and Morgan return, Tech will have back eight starters on offense and 10 on defense. Georgia Tech must get better on defense in 2010, and quarterback Josh Nesbitt must become a better passer for Johnson's offense to truly flourish. The Yellow Jackets play nonconference road games at Kansas and Georgia.

14. Cincinnati Bearcats
Even without coach Brian Kelly, quarterback Tony Pike and wide receiver Mardy Gilyard, the Bearcats should be the class of the Big East in 2010. New Bearcats coach Butch Jones had a lot of success at Central Michigan, and his offense should be a perfect fit for quarterback Zach Collaros, who played awfully well when Pike was hurt in 2009. Seven starters are expected back on offense, but left tackle Jeff Linkenbach and center Chris Jurek must be replaced. Only five starters are coming back on defense. Here's one reason Kelly might have left for Notre Dame: Cincinnati plays nonconference games in 2010 against Miami (Ohio) at home, Oklahoma at Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati, and road contests at NC State and Fresno State.

15. Pittsburgh Panthers
Pitt finally got over the hump under coach Dave Wannstedt, who led his alma mater to its first 10-win season since 1981. The Panthers will have to replace quarterback Bill Stull and three starting offensive linemen, but they'll have two of the country's best playmakers in tailback Dion Lewis and receiver Jonathan Baldwin. At least five starters will have to be replaced on defense, too, including All-Big East defensive tackle Mick Williams, linebacker Adam Gunn, and cornerbacks Aaron Berry and Jovani Chappel. Wannstedt hopes junior defensive end Greg Romeus is coming back for his senior season. Pitt plays an aggressive nonconference schedule, with road contests at Utah and Notre Dame and a home game against Miami. The Panthers will play Big East road games at Connecticut and Cincinnati and will play Rutgers and West Virginia at home.

16. Arkansas Razorbacks
With quarterback Ryan Mallett returning to school, the Razorbacks could be the sleeper team in the SEC. The Hogs won five of their last six games in coach Bobby Petrino's second season, and their only loss down the stretch was a 33-30 overtime defeat at LSU. Nine starters might be coming back on offense, including all of Mallett's favorite weapons. Four starters must be replaced on defense, including tackle Malcolm Sheppard and linebacker Wendel Davis. The Hogs play a relatively soft nonconference schedule (they play Texas A&M in Arlington, Texas), but they'll face SEC heavyweights Alabama, Ole Miss and LSU at home.

17. Miami Hurricanes
Miami's promising season, which included a 5-1 start and early victories over Florida State, Georgia Tech and Oklahoma, ended with a thud in its loss to Wisconsin in the Champs Sports Bowl. There are still reasons to be optimistic about Miami's future under coach Randy Shannon. Jacory Harris will be a very good quarterback if he eliminates mistakes. He'll have to play better in 2010, with tackles Jason Fox and Matt Pipho leaving. Also, tailback Graig Cooper injured his right knee in the bowl game and might not play next season. Seven starters will be back on defense, but linebacker Darryl Sharpton, cornerback Sam Shields and safety Randy Phillips will be missed.

18. LSU Tigers
Is it possible that coach Les Miles, who led LSU to a BCS national championship in 2007, could be on the hot seat in 2010? LSU fans are growing restless after the Tigers went 8-5 in 2008 and 9-4 in '09. Miles' clock management was questionable at times this season, and his team's offense seemed to have no direction. Quarterback Jordan Jefferson struggled with his confidence, and the Tigers never really got highly regarded freshman Russell Shepard involved in the game plan. The Tigers face some heavy personnel losses with four starters leaving on offense and six leaving on defense. Left tackle Ciron Black will be missed on offense, and three starting defensive linemen and two linebackers will have to be replaced. LSU plays a tough schedule, starting with the season opener against North Carolina in Atlanta. The Tigers also will play West Virginia at home and will play SEC road games at Florida, Auburn and Arkansas.

19. Penn State Nittany Lions
Penn State coach Joe Paterno needs six more wins to reach 400 career victories, but he'll have to rebuild his team's defense to match this season's 11-2 record. The Nittany Lions will lose six starters on defense, including star linebackers Navorro Bowman and Sean Lee and tackle Jared Odrick. Penn State also will have a quarterback competition entering spring practice. Freshmen Kevin Newsome and Matt McGloin will battle for the job, along with incoming prospect Paul Jones, who enrolled in classes early. Two starters will have to be replaced on the offensive line, too. The Nittany Lions will play three difficult road games in 2010: at Alabama, Iowa and Ohio State.

20. Southern California Trojans
Was the stunning 9-4 finish in 2009 an aberration or just a blip on the radar? USC has some concerns heading into 2010, but the offense should be better with quarterback Matt Barkley having a full season of experience -- though he'll be without tailback Joe McKnight, who declared for the NFL draft. The Trojans are also waiting to see whether receiver Damian Williams will return for his senior season. The left side of the offensive line will have to be replaced, along with tight end Anthony McCoy. Seven starters are expected back from a defense that struggled mightily in 2009. End Everson Griffen is leaving for the NFL draft, and safety Taylor Mays also will be missed. The Trojans will play nonconference road games at Hawaii and Minnesota and will play Pac-10 road games at Stanford, Oregon State and Arizona.

21. Florida State Seminoles
The Jimbo Fisher era begins in Tallahassee, where Bobby Bowden was forced to retire after a 7-6 finish in his 34th season at the school. If Fisher can fix the problems on defense -- the Seminoles allowed 30 or more points five times in 2009 -- FSU will have a chance to improve a lot in his first season as head coach. Fisher hired former Arizona defensive coordinator Mark Stoops to address the defensive deficiencies. Quarterback Christian Ponder might emerge as a Heisman Trophy candidate if he recovers from shoulder surgery. FSU has plenty of offensive weapons to be successful, and all five starters are coming back on the offensive line. Fisher's team will be tested early and often in 2010 -- the Seminoles' schedule includes road games at Oklahoma and Miami and home games against Florida and BYU.

22. Oregon State Beavers
After missing out on a chance to play in their first Rose Bowl since 1964, the Beavers were demolished by BYU 44-20 in the Las Vegas Bowl. But Oregon State could again be in position to win a Pac-10 championship in 2010 if coach Mike Riley can find a capable replacement for quarterback Sean Canfield. The Beavers will bring back just about everything else, especially if All-Pac-10 defensive tackle Stephen Paea returns for his senior season. Tailback Jacquizz Rodgers and his brother, receiver James Rodgers, will be back; between them, they accounted for more than 4,000 all-purpose yards and 32 of the team's 49 touchdowns in 2009. Riley won't have much time to break in his new quarterback, which is expected to be freshman Ryan Katz. The Beavers are expected to open their season against TCU on Sept. 4 at Dallas Cowboys Stadium. They also host Louisville on Sept. 18 and play at Boise State on Sept. 25.

23. Georgia Bulldogs
Bulldogs coach Mark Richt salvaged one of his worst seasons at Georgia by beating rival Georgia Tech 30-24 in the regular-season finale and Texas A&M 44-20 in the Independence Bowl. The Bulldogs will have to find a new starting quarterback, and junior Logan Gray or freshmen Aaron Murray or Zach Mettenberger will battle for the job in the spring. Tailbacks Caleb King and Washaun Ealey are coming back, along with All-SEC receiver A.J. Green. All five starters on the offensive line also will return. Richt still hasn't hired a defensive coordinator to fix a unit that allowed 30 or more points five times in 2009. Tackles Geno Atkins and Jeff Owens will be missed on defense, and safety Reshad Jones entered the NFL draft. Junior linebacker Rennie Curran also is considering leaving school early. Along with the annual contest against Florida in Jacksonville, Fla., Georgia's schedule includes road games at Colorado, South Carolina and Auburn and home games against Arkansas and Tennessee.

24. Stanford Cardinal
The Cardinal made tremendous strides under coach Jim Harbaugh in 2009, beating Oregon and USC in consecutive weeks. There's no reason to believe their momentum won't continue next season. Stanford loses Heisman Trophy finalist Toby Gerhart, but brings back eight starters on offense, including quarterback Andrew Luck. Seven starters are coming back on defense, but linebacker Will Powers, safety Bo McNally and cornerback Richard Sherman will be missed. The Cardinal's nonconference schedule includes a home game against Wake Forest and a road game at Notre Dame. Stanford's Pac-10 slate includes road games at Oregon, Washington and California and home games against USC and Oregon State.

25. Navy Midshipmen
The Midshipmen didn't miss a beat in 2009 under second-year coach Ken Niumatalolo, who led them to a 10-win season for only the third time in school history. Navy pulled off a trifecta of impressive feats, sweeping service academy rivals Air Force and Army, winning at Notre Dame for the second time in a row and blasting Missouri 35-13 in the Texas Bowl. With seven starters expected to come back on offense and eight on defense, Navy could be even better in 2010. Quarterback Ricky Dobbs is one of the country's most unheralded players, running for 1,192 yards and 27 touchdowns (an NCAA single-season record for a QB) last season. Navy's 2010 schedule opens with a matchup against Maryland in Baltimore and includes a visit to Wake Forest and a home game against SMU. The Midshipmen also will play Notre Dame at Meadowlands Stadium in East Rutherford, N.J., on Oct. 23.
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Boise deserves be to ranked No. 2...have proven time and time again to beat tough teams.
surprised at navy breaking top 25.
teams like Texas and Florida i feel might be ranked to high seeing they are loosing KEY players.
also surprised at Arkansas' rank.
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i can agree with just about all of those rankings..

i say 21, 22, and 23 should be
21.) Oregon State
22.) UGA
23.) FSU

but the analyst did a pretty good job for the most part
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well there are some unknowns for fsu just like there are unknowns for UF. I dont like us being 11 (even though this is a nonsense early ranking) but i understand why.

I like seeing navy there
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Originally Posted by trojanman10984
Boise deserves be to ranked No. 2...have proven time and time again to beat tough teams.
surprised at navy breaking top 25.
teams like Texas and Florida i feel might be ranked to high seeing they are loosing KEY players.
also surprised at Arkansas' rank.
Shocking the world with their victory over Oklahoma in the Fiesta in the past, handling a potent TCU offense in the Fiesta this year, beating Oregon this season, and going 2 consecutive seasons undefeated all deserve mad props. Sure, Bama or Texas would "probably" manhandle the Broncos but I would love to see the bag of tricks they would pull out. I never ever imagined seeing the Statue of Liberty in a BCS game, let alone the game winning play


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well there are some unknowns for fsu just like there are unknowns for UF. I dont like us being 11 (even though this is a nonsense early ranking) but i understand why.

I like seeing navy there
I'm happy my Cardinal are #24 even though we're losing Toby. Luck will hopefully be a prolific passer this season if he stays healthy.

Navy is great with the triple option attack.
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when did boise go two consecutive undefeated seasons?
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^I was referring to regular season for 2008-09. They lost to TCU in the Poinsetta bowl.
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I like seeing FSU up there
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ooo didnt know you were referring to that
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5 SEC teams in the top 25...?

should be more


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