Car & Driver numbers are in….not too good
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Car & Driver numbers are in….not too good
4.9….13.6/103. Not Impressive for a car that has taken so long to catch up. They had some good to say about the handling and car in general, but overall I did not sense that they were smitten with it. They seems to still favor the Audi.
And this is the first I’ve seen it’s fuel economy numbers. What’s up with that? I thought my G70 was disappointing. The TLX-S is worse on the highway which is what I look at because that’s usually closer to what I get. To be clear, the Acura is better in the city.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-type-s-drive/
And this is the first I’ve seen it’s fuel economy numbers. What’s up with that? I thought my G70 was disappointing. The TLX-S is worse on the highway which is what I look at because that’s usually closer to what I get. To be clear, the Acura is better in the city.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-type-s-drive/
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^^^ Yea, this is EXACTLY one of the reasons I opted for a TLX instead of a Type S....it's just not worth the extra $20,000+ for the "upgrade'.
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4.9….13.6/103. Not Impressive for a car that has taken so long to catch up. They had some good to say about the handling and car in general, but overall I did not sense that they were smitten with it. They seems to still favor the Audi.
And this is the first I’ve seen it’s fuel economy numbers. What’s up with that? I thought my G70 was disappointing. The TLX-S is worse on the highway which is what I look at because that’s usually closer to what I get. To be clear, the Acura is better in the city.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-type-s-drive/
And this is the first I’ve seen it’s fuel economy numbers. What’s up with that? I thought my G70 was disappointing. The TLX-S is worse on the highway which is what I look at because that’s usually closer to what I get. To be clear, the Acura is better in the city.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-type-s-drive/
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Disappointing numbers considering the expectations, I guessed have done mid 4s.........at the end of the day this is exactly what the 4G SH-AWD 6MT was in its day....bigger than its rivals, good/excellent value for the money....but at its debut only the 335i was quite faster compared to the 4G, the TLX Type S instead now is the slowest of the bunch.
The 4G SH-AWD 6MT cleared the 1/4 mile in 13.8 @ 101 mph with a manual transmission, 4 less gears and all season rubber 12 years ago.....
Way too little to put some shine back to Acura.....before too long it will sell at discount, the above MSRP asking price is frankly silly.
The 4G SH-AWD 6MT cleared the 1/4 mile in 13.8 @ 101 mph with a manual transmission, 4 less gears and all season rubber 12 years ago.....
Way too little to put some shine back to Acura.....before too long it will sell at discount, the above MSRP asking price is frankly silly.
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I’m sure the car will make a lot of owners happy. I admit I’m a card carrying speed freak. The problem with the car is two fold. One is that they set high expectations. I’ve always said that in life we measure things against expectations.
Second is simply that there are cars even at exactly the same price point that are very good competitors and have much better numbers. The most obvious are the Charger Scat Pack, Genesis G70 and it’s sister car the Stinger GT2.
Second is simply that there are cars even at exactly the same price point that are very good competitors and have much better numbers. The most obvious are the Charger Scat Pack, Genesis G70 and it’s sister car the Stinger GT2.
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I’m sure the car will make a lot of owners happy. I admit I’m a card carrying speed freak. The problem with the car is two fold. One is that they set high expectations. I’ve always said that in life we measure things against expectations.
Second is simply that there are cars even at exactly the same price point that are very good competitors and have much better numbers. The most obvious are the Charger Scat Pack, Genesis G70 and it’s sister car the Stinger GT2.
Second is simply that there are cars even at exactly the same price point that are very good competitors and have much better numbers. The most obvious are the Charger Scat Pack, Genesis G70 and it’s sister car the Stinger GT2.
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You know I've seen you throw this $20,000 dollar number out repeatedly and I still do not understand how that is possible. Either it's insane ADM or you got the best deal on a brand new Aspec probably in the country. The Type S is only $8000 more MSRP but incentives probably made it more like $10,000 more. Where did the other $10,000 come from? Gotta be mark up I presume? In which case that's not the cars fault but scummy dealers, at only $8000 more the Type S is a lot more appealing if you were going to buy a TLX either way. Sadly, by purely sports car standards, the S4 would be a better buy. It can be had for only a little bit more with way more power and more modern infotainment with more luxury features available. Type S will be a better deal when the price drops.
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I read some of the complaints about the Type S is that, absurdly, you cannot get some options that are pretty much standard even on non premium cars, for example the heated steering wheel.
The Type S seems incapable to harness the advantages of turbocharging.....even the 3.7 V6 Q50S was a hair faster (13.5 @ 104)
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Disappointing numbers considering the expectations, I guessed have done mid 4s.........at the end of the day this is exactly what the 4G SH-AWD 6MT was in its day....bigger than its rivals, good/excellent value for the money....but at its debut only the 335i was quite faster compared to the 4G, the TLX Type S instead now is the slowest of the bunch.
The 4G SH-AWD 6MT cleared the 1/4 mile in 13.8 @ 101 mph with a manual transmission, 4 less gears and all season rubber 12 years ago.....
Way too little to put some shine back to Acura.....before too long it will sell at discount, the above MSRP asking price is frankly silly.
The 4G SH-AWD 6MT cleared the 1/4 mile in 13.8 @ 101 mph with a manual transmission, 4 less gears and all season rubber 12 years ago.....
Way too little to put some shine back to Acura.....before too long it will sell at discount, the above MSRP asking price is frankly silly.
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Well the 2009 G37 S was faster than the 4G SH-AWD as well "Zero to 60 now takes only 5.0 sec, with the quarter-mile obliterated in just 13.5 at 105.3 mph".2009 Infiniti G37 S Quick Test (motortrend.com) This TLX Type S car is putting numbers down now that competitors had a decade + and in some cases not as good, especially the 1/4 trap speeds!
I like the new TLX quite a lot, it's night and day better compared to the disastrous 1G TLX, but I cannot deny feeling disappointed by the Type S numbers.
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I read some of the complaints about the Type S is that, absurdly, you cannot get some options that are pretty much standard even on non premium cars, for example the heated steering wheel.
The Type S seems incapable to harness the advantages of turbocharging.....even the 3.7 V6 Q50S was a hair faster (13.5 @ 104)
The Type S seems incapable to harness the advantages of turbocharging.....even the 3.7 V6 Q50S was a hair faster (13.5 @ 104)
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I used as a source for the test Car And Driver for consistency...the G37 never did 13.5 on C&D, upper 13s and low 5s 0-60 (5.2-5.3 depending on trim)
I like the new TLX quite a lot, it's night and day compered to the disastrous 1G TLX, but I cannot deny feeling disappointed by the Type S numbers.
I like the new TLX quite a lot, it's night and day compered to the disastrous 1G TLX, but I cannot deny feeling disappointed by the Type S numbers.
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Yes, in fact I only mentioned the older 328 HP 3.7 V6 naturally aspirated model (which I did own). Faster 7 years ago....and consider the fact that the 7 speed transmission Infiniti still use is slooowww..
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Heck I was trying to find a slower 6 cylinder turbocharged competitor....even the Lincoln MKZ is faster (and heavier) with less aggressive tires. Claimed 400 HP, ancient 6 speed automatic 0-60 in 4.8, 1/4 in 13.4 @ 105 Skidpad 0.94
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I read some of the complaints about the Type S is that, absurdly, you cannot get some options that are pretty much standard even on non premium cars, for example the heated steering wheel.
The Type S seems incapable to harness the advantages of turbocharging.....even the 3.7 V6 Q50S was a hair faster (13.5 @ 104)
The Type S seems incapable to harness the advantages of turbocharging.....even the 3.7 V6 Q50S was a hair faster (13.5 @ 104)
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Comparing against ADM is meaningless. The Aspec AWD is only $8000 less, maybe $10,000 with incentives, the $20,000 number is bogus. If the dealer was charging ADM then it's one of those shitty dealers taking its customers for a ride but in just a few more months the price difference will in fact be only $8-10 thousand betwen Aspec and Type S. Yeah sure you're right it's not worth $20,000 more but there is no fair situation where that is the price gap. I'd argue if you're going to buy a TLX regardless it's definitely worth the $8000 as you get the more fun version of it and a handful of Advance features missing from the Aspec and if you were going to buy the Advance trim it's only $4000 more.. but that's just me.
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Disaster , in real world conditions it’s even slower. The average person will be getting 5.3 0-60 times. Those times are under best ideal conditions with a professional driver. Acura Damn well knows how to build a fast car they just refuse to do it outside the NSX.
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By the 0-60 and quarter mile numbers is a fail for Type S. However, if that's all people looked at everyone would be buying a BMW. I bet you very few will actually see any track what so ever and the car is still plenty fast with lots of tuning potential. I think Type S will still sell well as the price gap is still there against the Germans. Everyone raves about G70 and Stinger but in terms of sales numbers they are still way behind Acura.
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ADM where being charged is just temporary. It will disappear as soon as the 2022s hit the lots if not before then. If you don’t have a car on order no need to rush out and try to buy one. Simply chill until inventory increases then go shopping.
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No question, within the vacuum of acceleration times the Type S is fairly disappointing. Especially given that the Accord 2.0T posts nearly an identical 0-100 time and a higher trap speed once well broken in.
That said, CTR 'kids' who are "growing up" will likely do all they can to snatch these off dealer lots.....even with that ridiculous ADM in many cases.
That said, CTR 'kids' who are "growing up" will likely do all they can to snatch these off dealer lots.....even with that ridiculous ADM in many cases.
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By the 0-60 and quarter mile numbers is a fail for Type S. However, if that's all people looked at everyone would be buying a BMW. I bet you very few will actually see any track what so ever and the car is still plenty fast with lots of tuning potential. I think Type S will still sell well as the price gap is still there against the Germans. Everyone raves about G70 and Stinger but in terms of sales numbers they are still way behind Acura.
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By the 0-60 and quarter mile numbers is a fail for Type S. However, if that's all people looked at everyone would be buying a BMW. I bet you very few will actually see any track what so ever and the car is still plenty fast with lots of tuning potential. I think Type S will still sell well as the price gap is still there against the Germans. Everyone raves about G70 and Stinger but in terms of sales numbers they are still way behind Acura.
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The only thing that's saving the Type-S is that it's cheaper than the competition (proportionally priced is a better term) and it's faster than the regular TLX. Anything else is an illusion, nothing proves it will be more reliable.
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By the 0-60 and quarter mile numbers is a fail for Type S. However, if that's all people looked at everyone would be buying a BMW. I bet you very few will actually see any track what so ever and the car is still plenty fast with lots of tuning potential. I think Type S will still sell well as the price gap is still there against the Germans. Everyone raves about G70 and Stinger but in terms of sales numbers they are still way behind Acura.
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Heated steering wheels are really only for northern US states and Canada and have no reason to be "standard."
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A lot of us, including myself, are focusing on how poor it performs in the low-end (0-60, 1/4 mile) ... but things get even worse on the big end.
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Honestly, I'm looking forward to running one at the track with my A-Spec (granted, I'm running a K-Tuner stage 2).
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No, but when you go to pass some c-u-next-Tuesday texting in the left lane doing under the speed limit in a K5 GT and you can't pull on them when they notice you trying to pass ... I'd be pretty embarrassed and regret paying a premium for the performance model that doesn't perform all that well.
A lot of us, including myself, are focusing on how poor it performs in the low-end (0-60, 1/4 mile) ... but things get even worse on the big end.
A lot of us, including myself, are focusing on how poor it performs in the low-end (0-60, 1/4 mile) ... but things get even worse on the big end.
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The Type-S is closer to the A4 than the S4. S4 can be had well equipped for less than a Type S.
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I did check the Sonata N Line 2.0 turbo......1/4 13.6 @ 106, according the C&D it does handle very well (still for a FWD) and the ride is not punishing.
It's funny the Hyundai gets it where Acura doesn't....
It's funny the Hyundai gets it where Acura doesn't....
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As a Sports Sedan leaving out 0-60 & 1/4 mile #'s what metrics does the Type-S excel in among the 7 current cars that were on bilirubin's 5-60 list?
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