Car & Driver numbers are in….not too good
07-18-2021, 04:51 PM
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Did I once say that a person shopping for a German performance car would look at the TLX-S? No, I didn't. I said a person with NO BRAND LOYALTY simply looking at performance sedans in $50,000 to $60,000 price range would naturally be forced to compare the two making them competitors. Is this concept that fucking hard to understand? Jesus christ I'm fucking done.
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07-18-2021, 05:15 PM
#122
I skipped over this comment made by someone who joined to ask opinions on KTuner vs Hondata. I couldn't connect the dots, so he might be quoting someone else statement. I have not seen or heard a TLX-S nailing 4.5 on light weight wheels. AHC didn't do it so someone is making up stories here.
in 6-12 months after testing, we are targeting 460-500 HP/480-500 LB FT given the engine capability after everything is tuned. I don’t understand why people get on here and trash the car? So don’t buy it. Mine will arrive on August 18th and I’ll drive it on the weekends. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. There’s no doubt they left some power on the table. That being said, it’s also the size of a 5-series. No one is launching the car. We got 4.5 on a demo with the lightweight wheels. When it smokes an M3 out of frame next year, all these folks will disappear.
So once again, whats to say that the M3/M4 guys won't tune their vehicles either? From what I've always seen on the BMW forums, performance gains are the top priority. I don't know why these guys are making such bold statements on a vehicle that has no aftermarket support..
in 6-12 months after testing, we are targeting 460-500 HP/480-500 LB FT given the engine capability after everything is tuned. I don’t understand why people get on here and trash the car? So don’t buy it. Mine will arrive on August 18th and I’ll drive it on the weekends. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. There’s no doubt they left some power on the table. That being said, it’s also the size of a 5-series. No one is launching the car. We got 4.5 on a demo with the lightweight wheels. When it smokes an M3 out of frame next year, all these folks will disappear.
So once again, whats to say that the M3/M4 guys won't tune their vehicles either? From what I've always seen on the BMW forums, performance gains are the top priority. I don't know why these guys are making such bold statements on a vehicle that has no aftermarket support..
That being said, the Type-S has no place being compared to the M3 ... that's like somebody from a high school basketball team challenging Lebron to a game of pick-up. Edmunds just did a video of the M4 against the C8 Corvette and from a dig, it's a driver's race. From a roll, the M4 runs away, it's incredible. I'd love to see what the CT5-V Blackwing can do against it ... my guess is it'll be a lot closer than some people think. Those turbos just make such an incredibly broad powerband over PD blowers. I love my American muscle, but I wish they'd embrace turbos over superchargers.
That aside, if the Type-S can reliably make mid-to-upper 400wHP with a turbo swap and FBO + tune, I'll be the first one to eat my words. I'll sing the praises of Honda from atop Mt. Fuji. And I'll do it all with the stupid base wheels that everybody hates, just to pour salt on the wounds of people thinking they were running a stock Type-S by somebody who cheaped out and wouldn't even get the optional wheels ... and because my stupid brain actually, for some reason, likes them better than the Y-spokes.
07-18-2021, 05:30 PM
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I skipped over this comment made by someone who joined to ask opinions on KTuner vs Hondata. I couldn't connect the dots, so he might be quoting someone else statement. I have not seen or heard a TLX-S nailing 4.5 on light weight wheels. AHC didn't do it so someone is making up stories here.
in 6-12 months after testing, we are targeting 460-500 HP/480-500 LB FT given the engine capability after everything is tuned. I don’t understand why people get on here and trash the car? So don’t buy it. Mine will arrive on August 18th and I’ll drive it on the weekends. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. There’s no doubt they left some power on the table. That being said, it’s also the size of a 5-series. No one is launching the car. We got 4.5 on a demo with the lightweight wheels. When it smokes an M3 out of frame next year, all these folks will disappear.
So once again, whats to say that the M3/M4 guys won't tune their vehicles either? From what I've always seen on the BMW forums, performance gains are the top priority. I don't know why these guys are making such bold statements on a vehicle that has no aftermarket support..
in 6-12 months after testing, we are targeting 460-500 HP/480-500 LB FT given the engine capability after everything is tuned. I don’t understand why people get on here and trash the car? So don’t buy it. Mine will arrive on August 18th and I’ll drive it on the weekends. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. There’s no doubt they left some power on the table. That being said, it’s also the size of a 5-series. No one is launching the car. We got 4.5 on a demo with the lightweight wheels. When it smokes an M3 out of frame next year, all these folks will disappear.
So once again, whats to say that the M3/M4 guys won't tune their vehicles either? From what I've always seen on the BMW forums, performance gains are the top priority. I don't know why these guys are making such bold statements on a vehicle that has no aftermarket support..
About the big take in that 4.5 cut. Might be interesting to tell the guy that the M3 has 503bhp off the dealers lot. BTW pure stock off of the dealers lot the M5 at 4200 lbs 600+ BHP advertised will run heads is with the 500BHP Stingray that weighs 3347lbs both running sub 3 second 0-60. Like them or not IMHO BMW is one of the premier engine builders for street applications..
The M4 in the vid is traction limited. Advantage to mid engine Corvette. The 3347lb Corvette is either 495bhp or 500bhp based on exhaust option The M4 3855lbs is 503bhp. Corvette is lighter advantage Corvette.
Thing to remember this M4 is RWD. AWD is now an option on the coupe while the Convertible is only AWD.
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07-18-2021, 06:14 PM
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This is why I can't stand this argument. "wEll, siMiLarlY equiPPed tHe mSrP iS wAy m0r3!" Yes, when you load it up with all the options ... and they omit the fact that those packages then offer features and options that aren't even an option on the Type-S. I've built an M340i xDrive and S4 exactly how I'd have them, and they were both under $60k. My S4, with the two main features I'm looking for included (adaptive cruise and ventilated seats), came out to $55.6k. Literally $2k more, which you'd make up with the S4 being more fuel efficient (20 city/28 highway) in ~10yrs, according to average driving habits by fueleconomy.gov.
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07-18-2021, 06:51 PM
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I think what everyone's forgetting is that the performance of the A4 is relatively new for 2021 due to the mild hybrid (someone correct me on this if needed). If Acura only had the 2019-2020 A4 performance to go by (no reason to think otherwise), then the gap b/w A4 and S4 would have been wider and the TLX-S would have slotted comfortably b/w them. I don't think Audi incorporated the mild hybrid just to poor salt on the TLX-S intro but rather as a natural progression of their lineup.
It was really just bad timing on Acura's part to have the TLX-S and the 2021 A4 debut in the same year.
It was really just bad timing on Acura's part to have the TLX-S and the 2021 A4 debut in the same year.
07-18-2021, 07:01 PM
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07-18-2021, 07:33 PM
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People looking at a performance sedan want performance and the TLX isn’t up to par it doesn’t compete. IS500 , M340i, S4/S5 Sportback, C43 AMG are competitors. Because price is similar and performance is close. The Red Sport performance is actually closer to all those cars but it’s not a competition. It’s not even in the conversation with those cars. The Red Sport actually costs nearly as much or more than those cars before discounts depending how optioned. TLX isn’t even close to any of those cars. It’s closer to an A4 they should have priced it like an A4.
07-18-2021, 08:41 PM
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Agree. BMW claims 3.8 on their web site Chevy 2.8 both the same as C&D listed. So it should be the C8 4 for 4 by a wide margin.
Hard to figure since the M4 won 3 out of 4 races
C&D showed the C8 almost a full second ahead in the 1/4 with a one MPH advantage122/121MPH in terminal speed. Problem is the vid did not show .8 separation at the 1/4 in the single race that the C8 won. In race 1 the M4 had a clear lead with a hole shot, no real contest. Race 2 the C8 got out on a better launch but the M4 was closing the gap down the stretch & cars overlapped at the finish very good race.
The the 2 roll races the M4 was dominant. Believe the 503BHP overpowers its available RWD traction on launch & has a way more power than advertised. It take mega horsepower to close like that down the stretch. Its 285 wide tires are the same as my car with only 382BHP which also overpowers them. Once the tires are beat launch control throttles it back. When they do it again with the AWD M4 I expect it will go 4 for 4.
Never though when I was starting out you would be able to crush our Drag Slick Super Stocks with a normal production car on street tires
Hard to figure since the M4 won 3 out of 4 races
C&D showed the C8 almost a full second ahead in the 1/4 with a one MPH advantage122/121MPH in terminal speed. Problem is the vid did not show .8 separation at the 1/4 in the single race that the C8 won. In race 1 the M4 had a clear lead with a hole shot, no real contest. Race 2 the C8 got out on a better launch but the M4 was closing the gap down the stretch & cars overlapped at the finish very good race.
The the 2 roll races the M4 was dominant. Believe the 503BHP overpowers its available RWD traction on launch & has a way more power than advertised. It take mega horsepower to close like that down the stretch. Its 285 wide tires are the same as my car with only 382BHP which also overpowers them. Once the tires are beat launch control throttles it back. When they do it again with the AWD M4 I expect it will go 4 for 4.
Never though when I was starting out you would be able to crush our Drag Slick Super Stocks with a normal production car on street tires
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07-18-2021, 08:47 PM
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I think what everyone's forgetting is that the performance of the A4 is relatively new for 2021 due to the mild hybrid (someone correct me on this if needed). If Acura only had the 2019-2020 A4 performance to go by (no reason to think otherwise), then the gap b/w A4 and S4 would have been wider and the TLX-S would have slotted comfortably b/w them. I don't think Audi incorporated the mild hybrid just to poor salt on the TLX-S intro but rather as a natural progression of their lineup.
It was really just bad timing on Acura's part to have the TLX-S and the 2021 A4 debut in the same year.
It was really just bad timing on Acura's part to have the TLX-S and the 2021 A4 debut in the same year.
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07-18-2021, 08:51 PM
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1) they sound like young male keyboard jockeys who just watched Fast & Furious and are stroking each other about taking their STIs to Cobb. The STI, by the way, is better performance stock at a lower price and is easy to soup up well above what you could do to the Type S performance.
2) they grossly overestimate the interest in and parts availability for modding a limited production $55k Acura, of which most of these will likely go to middle aged executive businessmen who have never changed their own spark plugs (or air filters) and are too busy all weekend coaching their kids baseball teams to mod a car. Those guys posting and raving about the Type S are idiots.
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07-18-2021, 08:56 PM
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07-18-2021, 09:10 PM
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I find hard to believe the M4 can outrun a C8 on the 1/4 in normal conditions...something was not right with that C8 or its pilot. The M4 is already bumping against the traction limits of its traditional RWD architecture.
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07-18-2021, 09:17 PM
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The two roll races are all about pure power as launch is taken out of it. The S58 is one tuff engine. Lots of griping on the M4 site about the Coupe getting the AWD option. The purists hate the idea. What some of them are not aware of is the software can run the car as a pure RWD. The way it stands I can run an RWD M4 to a tie at 60MPH before the crusher hits me & the M4 is gone. The RWD version has launching problems with both its Audi & MB opposite numbers which are ready are AWD.
07-18-2021, 09:28 PM
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07-18-2021, 09:32 PM
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This what I am talking about why its stupid to get a RWD M4. Watch the AWD Audi eat its lunch in the first race.
07-18-2021, 09:34 PM
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Here in NC we run 93 as our normal premium so it will put down a few more ponies on our gas. Modified with a standard JB4 $800 & a Fuel It $400 to handle E47 it moves up to 658WHP. Still running all stock parts including the two turbos.
Really it a very amazing engine. Heavy turbo charging with new turbos & supporting hardware are running 1000WHP
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07-18-2021, 09:43 PM
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DynoJet says 505WHP stock @ 91 octane. I don't know how heavily turbo charged it is. Has to run on California 91 octane. Here in NC we run 93 as our normal preimum so it will put down a few more ponies on our gas. Modified with a standard JB4 $800 & a Fuel It $400 to handle E47 it moves up to 658WHP. Still running all stock parts including the two turbos.
07-18-2021, 09:49 PM
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DynoJet says 505WHP stock @ 91 octane. I don't know how heavily turbo charged it is. Has to run on California 91 octane which generally sucks compared to other states gas.
Here in NC we run 93 as our normal premium so it will put down a few more ponies on our gas. Modified with a standard JB4 $800 & a Fuel It $400 to handle E47 it moves up to 658WHP. Still running all stock parts including the two turbos.
Here in NC we run 93 as our normal premium so it will put down a few more ponies on our gas. Modified with a standard JB4 $800 & a Fuel It $400 to handle E47 it moves up to 658WHP. Still running all stock parts including the two turbos.
505 WHP is at least 560-570 at the crank.......going back to the marketing issues, I do not understand why non German manufacturers are not reacting to this and starting to underrate their engines as well or at least bringing their engines to the true output of the German, and in particular BMW, ones.
07-18-2021, 10:49 PM
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Development engine expect they were feeling it from jerry cans. I used to run a 93/100 mix 50/50 as a daily driver. When 100 was not available ran a 40% E85 60% 93. Car would not run on straight E85 with out work I did not want to do. Track & drag day 100% 100
07-18-2021, 11:41 PM
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Stock boost for the previous M4 (non Competition) is over 18 psi which is fairly heavy turbocharging for a stock gasoline engine (1.3 bar). I remember boost pressure for stock gasoline engines in the 1990s was running at about 0.7-0.8, 1 bar was reached in overboosting conditions only for few instants.
505 WHP is at least 560-570 at the crank.......going back to the marketing issues, I do not understand why non German manufacturers are not reacting to this and starting to underrate their engines as well or at least bringing their engines to the true output of the German, and in particular BMW, ones.
505 WHP is at least 560-570 at the crank.......going back to the marketing issues, I do not understand why non German manufacturers are not reacting to this and starting to underrate their engines as well or at least bringing their engines to the true output of the German, and in particular BMW, ones.
I was running 18.5 psi in 2011on the N54 tuned. 335is stock had a 15psi overboost function from normal 10psi lasted 7 to 10 seconds.. B58 20-21psi or 23/24psi if you are brave & your wallet can handle the BANG. S58 base & competition are much stronger than the B58. Over 80% of the parts within the S58 are different than the B58. Forging etc. Don't know what the base or tuned versions are doing for boost. Only thing is injector pressure is up from 200 bar to 350 bar so I expect cylinder pressures are up quite a bit.
07-20-2021, 09:55 AM
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I just have this funny feeling that Type S owners will be revving their engines like mad at any opportunity they get to demonstrate what a loud and amazing car they’ve got. Of course there will be some who are actually mature and sensible, but I can’t help but think there’s going to be a lot of silliness taking place soon.
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07-20-2021, 11:07 AM
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Since there's now 2 different threads discussing C&D's review, here's what I posted in the original Type S review thread (see quote below). Just to recap, C&D uses 5-60 mph as their metric for launches without using launch control or brake torquing. I never brake boost my S5 Sportback and prefer 5-60 as it takes into account things like turbo lag and throttle response. More of a "real world" metric for acceleration.
5-60 times (Car & Driver)
4.7s BMW M340i
4.9s Volvo S60 T8
5.0s Infiniti Q50 Red Sport
5.1s C43 AMG
5.3s Kia Stinger GT
5.4s Mercedes C450 AMG (pre-refresh)
5.5s TLX Type S, Cadillac CT5-V RWD, Porsche Panamera 3.0T
5.6s BMW 435i Gran Coupe (prior gen)
5.7s Audi S4, RLX Sport Hybrid
5.8s Audi S5 Sportback, BMW 340i (prior gen), Civic Type R, TLX (G1 FWD), TL Type S (G3)
*5.9s Accord 2.0T (*on 40k-mile test, 6.4s when new)
6.0s Lexus IS350 F-sport
4.7s BMW M340i
4.9s Volvo S60 T8
5.0s Infiniti Q50 Red Sport
5.1s C43 AMG
5.3s Kia Stinger GT
5.4s Mercedes C450 AMG (pre-refresh)
5.5s TLX Type S, Cadillac CT5-V RWD, Porsche Panamera 3.0T
5.6s BMW 435i Gran Coupe (prior gen)
5.7s Audi S4, RLX Sport Hybrid
5.8s Audi S5 Sportback, BMW 340i (prior gen), Civic Type R, TLX (G1 FWD), TL Type S (G3)
*5.9s Accord 2.0T (*on 40k-mile test, 6.4s when new)
6.0s Lexus IS350 F-sport
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07-20-2021, 12:27 PM
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I think what everyone's forgetting is that the performance of the A4 is relatively new for 2021 due to the mild hybrid (someone correct me on this if needed). If Acura only had the 2019-2020 A4 performance to go by (no reason to think otherwise), then the gap b/w A4 and S4 would have been wider and the TLX-S would have slotted comfortably b/w them. I don't think Audi incorporated the mild hybrid just to poor salt on the TLX-S intro but rather as a natural progression of their lineup.
It was really just bad timing on Acura's part to have the TLX-S and the 2021 A4 debut in the same year.
It was really just bad timing on Acura's part to have the TLX-S and the 2021 A4 debut in the same year.
07-20-2021, 12:35 PM
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Unfortunately, that's what it looks like. Type S performance numbers would have been near the top 10 years ago. Scrapping the Sport Hybrid probably set them back at least 5 years if not more!
07-20-2021, 12:46 PM
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Current TLX Type S
0-60 mph: 4.9 sec
5–60 mph: 5.5 sec
100 mph: 12.6 sec
130 mph: 24.2 sec
1/4-Mile: 13.6 sec @ 103 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.96 g
TL SH-AWD 6MT (12 years ago)
0-60 mph: 5.2 sec
5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
100 mph: 13.5 sec
130 mph: 26.5 sec
1/4 mile: 13.8 sec @ 101 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 158 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.93 g
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07-20-2021, 02:48 PM
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C&D test results
Current TLX Type S
0-60 mph: 4.9 sec
5–60 mph: 5.5 sec
100 mph: 12.6 sec
130 mph: 24.2 sec
1/4-Mile: 13.6 sec @ 103 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.96 g
TL SH-AWD 6MT (12 years ago)
0-60 mph: 5.2 sec
5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
100 mph: 13.5 sec
130 mph: 26.5 sec
1/4 mile: 13.8 sec @ 101 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 158 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.93 g
Current TLX Type S
0-60 mph: 4.9 sec
5–60 mph: 5.5 sec
100 mph: 12.6 sec
130 mph: 24.2 sec
1/4-Mile: 13.6 sec @ 103 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.96 g
TL SH-AWD 6MT (12 years ago)
0-60 mph: 5.2 sec
5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
100 mph: 13.5 sec
130 mph: 26.5 sec
1/4 mile: 13.8 sec @ 101 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 158 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.93 g
07-20-2021, 03:07 PM
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0-60 mph: 5.5 sec
0-100 mph: 13.9 sec
0-130 mph: 25.8 sec
5–60 mph: 5.8 sec
1/4 mile 14.1 sec @ 101 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 163 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.93 g
In 2 years the 4G SH-AWD 6MT showed the same level of performance improvement over the 3G Type S that the TLX Type S took 12 more years to achieve over a 4G SH-AWD......
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07-20-2021, 03:13 PM
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07-20-2021, 04:39 PM
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Now that the J-series turbo-V6 can assume the task, there is no more need for the Sport Hybrid powertrain to exist, for the purpose of boosting engine horsepower.
For high power application, there is this turbo-V6 engine. For clean air and maximize fuel economy applications, EV is the clear choice, and for the time being, regular hybrid (not Sport Hybrid) is the way to go until EV battery technology becomes more mature.
So there is nothing to set back, because complex Sport Hybrid is never the future.
07-20-2021, 04:47 PM
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The sole purpose of the existence of the RLX/MDX Sport Hybrid powertrain was to temporary fill in the gap for high output (>350hp) V6 engines. The RLX/MDX Sport Hybrid was designed to boost engine power, and not to maximize fuel economy.
Now that the J-series turbo-V6 can assume the task, there is no more need for the Sport Hybrid powertrain to exist, for the purpose of boosting engine horsepower.
For high power application, there is this turbo-V6 engine. For clean air and maximize fuel economy applications, EV is the clear choice, and for the time being, regular hybrid (not Sport Hybrid) is the way to go until EV battery technology becomes more mature.
So there is nothing to set back, because complex Sport Hybrid is never the future.
Now that the J-series turbo-V6 can assume the task, there is no more need for the Sport Hybrid powertrain to exist, for the purpose of boosting engine horsepower.
For high power application, there is this turbo-V6 engine. For clean air and maximize fuel economy applications, EV is the clear choice, and for the time being, regular hybrid (not Sport Hybrid) is the way to go until EV battery technology becomes more mature.
So there is nothing to set back, because complex Sport Hybrid is never the future.
07-20-2021, 05:00 PM
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The sole purpose of the existence of the RLX/MDX Sport Hybrid powertrain was to temporary fill in the gap for high output (>350hp) V6 engines. The RLX/MDX Sport Hybrid was designed to boost engine power, and not to maximize fuel economy.
Now that the J-series turbo-V6 can assume the task, there is no more need for the Sport Hybrid powertrain to exist, for the purpose of boosting engine horsepower.
For high power application, there is this turbo-V6 engine. For clean air and maximize fuel economy applications, EV is the clear choice, and for the time being, regular hybrid (not Sport Hybrid) is the way to go until EV battery technology becomes more mature.
So there is nothing to set back, because complex Sport Hybrid is never the future.
Now that the J-series turbo-V6 can assume the task, there is no more need for the Sport Hybrid powertrain to exist, for the purpose of boosting engine horsepower.
For high power application, there is this turbo-V6 engine. For clean air and maximize fuel economy applications, EV is the clear choice, and for the time being, regular hybrid (not Sport Hybrid) is the way to go until EV battery technology becomes more mature.
So there is nothing to set back, because complex Sport Hybrid is never the future.
+1, the SH-AWD hybrid system was pretty revolutionary in vehicle performance in differential wheel torque vectoring but also did not sell well unfortunately. Then again vast majority of mainstream luxury hybrids have had poor sales.The only direct comparison I know of to the hybrid SH-AWD is the new Ferrari SF90 which is essentially a copy of the 2G NSX drivetrain but with twice the power.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/review...coupe-preview/
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07-20-2021, 05:02 PM
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07-20-2021, 05:03 PM
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+1, the SH-AWD hybrid system was pretty revolutionary in vehicle performance in differential wheel torque but also did not sell well unfortunately. Then again vast majority of mainstream luxury hybrids have had poor sales.You're wrong, the mild 48VDC engine hybrid is not equivalent to the Honda/Acura SH-AWD that's used on the NSX and RLX. The Audi is just a low-cost engine assist hybrid motor, something Honda did two decades ago with the 1G Insight.
The only direct comparison I know of to the hybrid SH-AWD is the new Ferrari SF90 which is essentially a copy of the 2G NSX drivetrain but with twice the power.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/review...coupe-preview/
07-20-2021, 05:04 PM
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Not sure if this has been posted but check out the power against.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRj5rgnH...dium=copy_link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CRj5rgnH...dium=copy_link
07-20-2021, 05:06 PM
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Carry on Audi. Honda has been through this path and will laugh at you a couple years down the road.
07-20-2021, 05:06 PM
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I don't see the Japanese going the MH route, there's not much interest there. Honda did alot of planar electric assist motors in their hybrids but Toyota really upped them with the Prius technology.It's a EV future, unfortunately Honda/Acura have been lagging behind there for quite some time. I'll be curious to see what the joint GM partnership produces?
07-20-2021, 06:25 PM
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07-20-2021, 06:48 PM
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