Car & Driver numbers are in….not too good
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#43
My point was really the A4 can be had for less very nicely loaded and performs similar or better in most metrics so maybe a better comp to the type S performance wise over an S series Audi. Acura was putting it out against the S4 but it's performance is closer to that of the A4. Type S braking performance falls in some other category. The brembo's don't bring it down all that fast for a performance brake option.
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#44
My point was really the A4 can be had for less very nicely loaded and performs similar or better in most metrics so maybe a better comp to the type S performance wise over an S series Audi. Acura was putting it out against the S4 but it's performance is closer to that of the A4. Type S braking performance falls in some other category. The brembo's don't bring it down all that fast for a performance brake option.
That A4 will get you slightly more rear legroom and much better fuel econ but a smaller trunk.
#45
My point was really the A4 can be had for less very nicely loaded and performs similar or better in most metrics so maybe a better comp to the type S performance wise over an S series Audi. Acura was putting it out against the S4 but it's performance is closer to that of the A4. Type S braking performance falls in some other category. The brembo's don't bring it down all that fast for a performance brake option.
The TLX compares to the A4 but the TLX-S compares to the S4.
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No, but when you go to pass some c-u-next-Tuesday texting in the left lane doing under the speed limit in a K5 GT and you can't pull on them when they notice you trying to pass ... I'd be pretty embarrassed and regret paying a premium for the performance model that doesn't perform all that well.
A lot of us, including myself, are focusing on how poor it performs in the low-end (0-60, 1/4 mile) ... but things get even worse on the big end.
A lot of us, including myself, are focusing on how poor it performs in the low-end (0-60, 1/4 mile) ... but things get even worse on the big end.
Uh, what? I've been trashing the vehicle for quite some time now, and I wasn't attacking him personally for his purchase. It was a general statement about the performance of the car. Why are you getting offended on behalf of someone else? And why did you feel the need to use different color font?
Not offended just pointing out that typically many (most?) on AZ support other's AZ members when they pick up a new ride, and not ridicule them.
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You can have an S4 with every single option and more over the TLX-S for 58k. You can have it comparably equipped for 55-56k. That 65k sticker price is with a boat load of unnecessary options and I'm including the super sport package and super sport dynamic steering in that as well because 90% of buyers don't need it as they will literally never leave the streets but to those who NEED it for a reason they also need more performance than the TLX-S has to offer so the TLX-S wasn't even on their radar.
The TLX compares to the A4 but the TLX-S compares to the S4.
The TLX compares to the A4 but the TLX-S compares to the S4.
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You can have an S4 with every single option and more over the TLX-S for 58k. You can have it comparably equipped for 55-56k. That 65k sticker price is with a boat load of unnecessary options and I'm including the super sport package and super sport dynamic steering in that as well because 90% of buyers don't need it as they will literally never leave the streets but to those who NEED it for a reason they also need more performance than the TLX-S has to offer so the TLX-S wasn't even on their radar.
The TLX compares to the A4 but the TLX-S compares to the S4.
The TLX compares to the A4 but the TLX-S compares to the S4.
Big case of "don't look behind the curtain at the A4" just see how much more expensive the S4 is. Cannot understand why they are so stupid as to put all their advertising money into advertising against more expensive cars. Once you mention another car people are going to look at it & with the internet a deep look will not help sell the TLX Type S.
Its a nice car why can't they just sell it on its merits as the Tier one cars do.
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Only way to get it comfortably over $60,000 is adding every single option they offer on top of the prestige or add all the options to Premium Plus like that sticker shows (which is a really stupid way to do it because you lose the HUD and other prestige exclusive options only to option in everything from the prestige anyways for a premium over it, that lot model has sucker written all over it). Black optics for 1400, Super Sport Package for 2500 (which 90% of drivers don't need), Super Sport Steering for 1500, (again 90% don't need), Fine Nappa Leather 1000, Carbon inlays 500, etc.
The S4 realistically is 3-6k more to get equally or better equipped.
EDIT: Not to mention the 2023 S4 is going to be redesigned and likely include some hybrid/electric components to go with the ICE and will probably smoke the current S4 for about the same price.. personally I've decided to wait, would've been nice to capitalize on my Accord's inflated value but can't bring myself to buy a TLX-S or a last MY S4 for only 4% off, they really wouldn't budge any lower than that because it's a low volume car. Shrug, good thing my Accord is a damn champ haha.
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No, but when you go to pass some c-u-next-Tuesday texting in the left lane doing under the speed limit in a K5 GT and you can't pull on them when they notice you trying to pass ... you should be pretty embarrassed and regret paying a premium for the performance model that doesn't perform all that well.
The fact of the matter is, you're butthurt because I'm trash talking the TLX Type-S stemming from you having an emotional attachment to a corporate brand.
Regardless, it's more than apparent that this has little to do with you being some "white knight" to purchasers of the Type-S, and more to do with your own ego of me being critical of the car and brand. It's more evident as you chastise me, claiming to personally attack someone's purchase, while in the same breath insinuate I'm "too dumb or ignorant." Ironic.
I guess coming to the realization that a car you held on a pedestal that isn't all it was cracked up to be can be mentally draining ... struggling with that fight against reality must be exhausting. Are you also the one in the comments of the C&D article that's downvoting all the negative comments? LoL
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Because I don't live my life a quarter mile at a time. Lol. Btw, I still got the Type S with no regrets and no I didn't pay any ADM....[/quote]
Nothing about the back & forth between them. I think thing should be kept civil. FWIW I have been told here my car is going to rust, be expensive to maintain etc, etc, so what, someone I don't even know does not like my car WOW.
Its just like a bunch of guys redoing the Chevy VS FORD stuff going on since Chevy discovered the V8. Time to grow a thick skin. That said outside of the back & forth I offer congratulations as people buy a new car, why not its the correct thing to do. The person bought it so obviously he likes it.
Regarding his not living life a 1/4 mile at the time & 0-60 etc
He might not live it but he does a lot of posts about those two things
This would suggest he has a bit more interest then he claims. It also seems the interest waxes & wanes based on the latest test data VS the PR work. Expect the "live life etc" will become a very familiar set of words here as more tests are done against additional cars.
I think they were discovered about the same time as it was discovered the car would not deliver on its promise of being a top level Sports Sedan. I also think Sam might find it a bit harder to find dealer loaned Type-S cars to run since I believe he did a major hit on the dealers golden goose.
Originally Posted by dmski View Post
Because I don't live my life a quarter mile at a time. Lol. Btw, I still got the Type S with no regrets and no I didn't pay any ADM....[/quote]
Nothing about the back & forth between them. I think thing should be kept civil. FWIW I have been told here my car is going to rust, be expensive to maintain etc, etc, so what, someone I don't even know does not like my car WOW.
Its just like a bunch of guys redoing the Chevy VS FORD stuff going on since Chevy discovered the V8. Time to grow a thick skin. That said outside of the back & forth I offer congratulations as people buy a new car, why not its the correct thing to do. The person bought it so obviously he likes it.
Regarding his not living life a 1/4 mile at the time & 0-60 etc
He might not live it but he does a lot of posts about those two things
They are getting consistent mid 13's runs.
I think that will show the 4.5 sec run. This car is barely out. Most people don't even know how to properly launch this thing so not surprised to see....
We shall see when the video drops. Type S should be a low 13sec car.
We shall see when the video drops. Type S should be a low 13sec car.
This would suggest he has a bit more interest then he claims. It also seems the interest waxes & wanes based on the latest test data VS the PR work. Expect the "live life etc" will become a very familiar set of words here as more tests are done against additional cars.
I think they were discovered about the same time as it was discovered the car would not deliver on its promise of being a top level Sports Sedan. I also think Sam might find it a bit harder to find dealer loaned Type-S cars to run since I believe he did a major hit on the dealers golden goose.
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You can pick up the Prestige trim with every single luxury option they offer for $58,200+Destination. Throw in the cooled seats + a 2-4% discount and you're still under $60,000.
Only way to get it comfortably over $60,000 is adding every single option they offer on top of the prestige or add all the options to Premium Plus like that sticker shows (which is a really stupid way to do it because you lose the HUD and other prestige exclusive options only to option in everything from the prestige anyways for a premium over it, that lot model has sucker written all over it). Black optics for 1400, Super Sport Package for 2500 (which 90% of drivers don't need), Super Sport Steering for 1500, (again 90% don't need), Fine Nappa Leather 1000, Carbon inlays 500, etc.
The S4 realistically is 3-6k more to get equally or better equipped.
EDIT: Not to mention the 2023 S4 is going to be redesigned and likely include some hybrid/electric components to go with the ICE and will probably smoke the current S4 for about the same price.. personally I've decided to wait, would've been nice to capitalize on my Accord's inflated value but can't bring myself to buy a TLX-S or a last MY S4 for only 4% off, they really wouldn't budge any lower than that because it's a low volume car. Shrug, good thing my Accord is a damn champ haha.
Only way to get it comfortably over $60,000 is adding every single option they offer on top of the prestige or add all the options to Premium Plus like that sticker shows (which is a really stupid way to do it because you lose the HUD and other prestige exclusive options only to option in everything from the prestige anyways for a premium over it, that lot model has sucker written all over it). Black optics for 1400, Super Sport Package for 2500 (which 90% of drivers don't need), Super Sport Steering for 1500, (again 90% don't need), Fine Nappa Leather 1000, Carbon inlays 500, etc.
The S4 realistically is 3-6k more to get equally or better equipped.
EDIT: Not to mention the 2023 S4 is going to be redesigned and likely include some hybrid/electric components to go with the ICE and will probably smoke the current S4 for about the same price.. personally I've decided to wait, would've been nice to capitalize on my Accord's inflated value but can't bring myself to buy a TLX-S or a last MY S4 for only 4% off, they really wouldn't budge any lower than that because it's a low volume car. Shrug, good thing my Accord is a damn champ haha.
But, being that I'm apparently dumb, I went and looked up what the new Golf R that's set to be released here in the US late this year is all about. What a mistake ...
Although, that interior looks incredibly frustrating and unintuitive to use (not to mention piano gloss black everywhere). Ugh ...
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No, but when you go to pass some c-u-next-Tuesday texting in the left lane doing under the speed limit in a K5 GT and you can't pull on them when they notice you trying to pass ... I'd be pretty embarrassed and regret paying a premium for the performance model that doesn't perform all that well.
A lot of us, including myself, are focusing on how poor it performs in the low-end (0-60, 1/4 mile) ... but things get even worse on the big end.
A lot of us, including myself, are focusing on how poor it performs in the low-end (0-60, 1/4 mile) ... but things get even worse on the big end.
That would have been more of a personal affront, rather than my own possessive and personal opinion, largely due to primarily wanting a car marketed for performance to actually be fast. I have been generally critical of the car long before these cars were available for purchase and long before official times were announced. When someone says they "don't live your life a quarter mile at a time" (which you jovially concur with), suddenly you're quaking with anger when someone brings up the fact that the vehicle marketed heavily for being the performance pinnacle of the model has worse passing performance than a Kia? I think you'd do well on Twitter ...
The fact of the matter is, you're butthurt because I'm trash talking the TLX Type-S stemming from you having an emotional attachment to a corporate brand.
Regardless, it's more than apparent that this has little to do with you being some "white knight" to purchasers of the Type-S, and more to do with your own ego of me being critical of the car and brand. It's more evident as you chastise me, claiming to personally attack someone's purchase, while in the same breath insinuate I'm "too dumb or ignorant." Ironic.
I guess coming to the realization that a car you held on a pedestal that isn't all it was cracked up to be can be mentally draining ... struggling with that fight against reality must be exhausting. Are you also the one in the comments of the C&D article that's downvoting all the negative comments? LoL
The fact of the matter is, you're butthurt because I'm trash talking the TLX Type-S stemming from you having an emotional attachment to a corporate brand.
Regardless, it's more than apparent that this has little to do with you being some "white knight" to purchasers of the Type-S, and more to do with your own ego of me being critical of the car and brand. It's more evident as you chastise me, claiming to personally attack someone's purchase, while in the same breath insinuate I'm "too dumb or ignorant." Ironic.
I guess coming to the realization that a car you held on a pedestal that isn't all it was cracked up to be can be mentally draining ... struggling with that fight against reality must be exhausting. Are you also the one in the comments of the C&D article that's downvoting all the negative comments? LoL
If you trash talk other AZ members choices don't expect kindness in response. Also making assumptions about others thoughts, values, or ideas, you have no clue.
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Just because your competition beats you doesn't mean it wasn't your competition. Acura themselves benchmark and market against the S4.
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Maybe it's just me, but 4.9 is fine IMHO
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So much drama. Leomio2.0 you definitely sound like an Audi fanboy here praising Audi nonstop. Go buy one and enjoy it. I don't see BMW owners bashing Audi non stop in Audi forums for being much slower.
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Because I don't live my life a quarter mile at a time. Lol. Btw, I still got the Type S with no regrets and no I didn't pay any ADM....
Originally Posted by dmski View Post
Because I don't live my life a quarter mile at a time. Lol. Btw, I still got the Type S with no regrets and no I didn't pay any ADM....
Its just like a bunch of guys redoing the Chevy VS FORD stuff going on since Chevy discovered the V8. Time to grow a thick skin. That said outside of the back & forth I offer congratulations as people buy a new car, why not its the correct thing to do. The person bought it so obviously he likes it.
Regarding his not living life a 1/4 mile at the time & 0-60 etc
Don't over analyze everything. I wasn't eserious about this quote.
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The performance numbers are not bad. I think part of the disappointment/frustration is that Acura hyped up this car so much. They promised something that was going to get Acura back to competitiveness in performance sedans, and they failed to deliver on that performance hype. They also made some blunders with the design. Some early Acura videos compared it to the A6 - which is it in size on the outside, but the inside is smaller than the A4. I also can't understand why after several years of automotive journalist bashing the Lexus IS for a clunky touchpad MMI, Acura would choose to do essentially the same thing. And as of 2021 the Lexus IS moved to a touch screen MMI, leaving the TLX holding the crap bag of a clunky touchpad MMI.
None of this means the car is a bad or less than fun car. No. It is a fun car in its own right and it will have its sweet value spot if priced right. But a USD $53k MSRP ain't it. This car needs to start well below USD $50k.
None of this means the car is a bad or less than fun car. No. It is a fun car in its own right and it will have its sweet value spot if priced right. But a USD $53k MSRP ain't it. This car needs to start well below USD $50k.
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If you are happy with the car that’s great. I don’t live my life 1/4 mile at a time either. I roadraced motorcycles competitively for a few years, I’ve autocrossed cars, I’ve drag raced cars, and I want my car to be comfortable and well equipped. Fortunately, there are cars that do all of that well and are significantly fast than the S. I have no issues with people who love the car.
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4.9 is perfect for the price point. I’ve actually seen 4.6 personally myself. People fail to remember Acura is giving you an all round sports car with a price point about 10 grand less than the comp. Again, more power equals more cost, more maintenance and potentially could affect reliable which they anchor on.
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I also get why some who prefer Honda/Acura would buy a Type S, particularly if you want some extra go over the TLX or just like the look. The type S has that extra bump in performance which should make it a lot more fun to drive over the 4cyl TLX. If want faster you have to go outside of Acura (NSX not a realistic option for most people). It never hurts to know how cars stack up though since info is so easily available. When I bought my first type S I didn't really do any research, test drove it, liked it from the first drive and bought it. Never regretted not buying something else as I enjoyed the performance of it just fine and kept it for 10 years and after trading it in on a TLX regretted doing it for over a year. I could have easily bought something else way sooner. Think most buyers of the current type S if they test drove it and loved it they won't regret their purchase either. If you test drive it and are not sure and need to think about if you want it then it's probably not the right choice and then maybe time to start shopping around.
If the type s as it performs now was out when I bought my last TLX I would have bought it as I was solidly an Acura loyalist back then. Just got tired of waiting and waiting on Acura.
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#66
I mean what's your point? The cars competition is still the S4 is all I'm saying. Just because the S4 is superior doesn't mean it's not a TLX-S competitor. The thing about competitions is that they usually have winners so just because the S4 'is better in every way' doesn't mean shit. It's priced in the same segment and positioned as a S4 competitor, it's just not a good one.
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The performance numbers are not bad. I think part of the disappointment/frustration is that Acura hyped up this car so much. They promised something that was going to get Acura back to competitiveness in performance sedans, and they failed to deliver on that performance hype. They also made some blunders with the design. Some early Acura videos compared it to the A6 - which is it in size on the outside, but the inside is smaller than the A4. I also can't understand why after several years of automotive journalist bashing the Lexus IS for a clunky touchpad MMI, Acura would choose to do essentially the same thing. And as of 2021 the Lexus IS moved to a touch screen MMI, leaving the TLX holding the crap bag of a clunky touchpad MMI.
None of this means the car is a bad or less than fun car. No. It is a fun car in its own right and it will have its sweet value spot if priced right. But a USD $53k MSRP ain't it. This car needs to start well below USD $50k.
None of this means the car is a bad or less than fun car. No. It is a fun car in its own right and it will have its sweet value spot if priced right. But a USD $53k MSRP ain't it. This car needs to start well below USD $50k.
Still, touchscreens are over-rated.
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FWIW, I think the whole touchscreen thing is over-rated. Nobody should be reaching out and messing with a touchscreen when they are driving and if done well, a touchpad can be fine. Acura's setup isn't great and I think the iDrive in my BMW was better, but after driving the car for three months, the TLX's touchpad is good enough and certainly not a reason to avoid the car. My wife's CX-9 has a touchscreen and we almost never use it. Once you get used to spinning their dial, it isn't worth the stretch. If I had a criticism of the Acura's infotainment system, it's the lack of depth and customization that you can do. Not a big deal, but a little surprising. Of course, I say that and I've seen systems that were too complex and they were frustrating to use. Acura decided to keep things relatively simple and limited the options that you can tweak and maybe that is for the best.
Still, touchscreens are over-rated.
Still, touchscreens are over-rated.
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4.9 is perfect for the price point. I’ve actually seen 4.6 personally myself. People fail to remember Acura is giving you an all round sports car with a price point about 10 grand less than the comp. Again, more power equals more cost, more maintenance and potentially could affect reliable which they anchor on.
Better Number in Bold
2021 Audi A4 45 TFSI Quattro
PRICE AS TESTED
$53,840 (base price: $41,945)
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 4.8 sec
100 mph: 12.9 sec
120 mph: 20.7 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 5.6 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.8 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.7 sec
1/4 mile: 13.5 sec @ 102 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 149 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 304 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.97 gC/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 26 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 33 mpg
Highway range: 500 miles
EPA FUEL ECONOMY
Combined/city/highway: 27/24/31 mpg
2021 Acura TLX Type S
PRICE
Base/As Tested: $53,325/$54,625
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 4.9 sec
100 mph: 12.6 sec
1/4-Mile: 13.6 sec @ 103 mph
130 mph: 24.2 sec
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 5.5 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 3.3 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 4.5 sec
Top Speed (C/D est): 155 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 165 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 359 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.96 gC/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 19 mpg
EPA FUEL ECONOMY
Combined/City/Highway: 21/19/24 mpg
#70
Have you driven or ridden in one at 4.6 with Dragy or similar tracking the time? Thought we bagged the $10,000 less as not real starting with the A4. The A4 will run the Type-S numbers & is cheaper. The Stinger GT is less money & quicker 4.4. There are cars in the mid low 4's that are not $10,000 more than the Type-S. Also number of US brands have mid 4 second cars under $55,000.
Better Number in Bold
2021 Audi A4 45 TFSI Quattro
PRICE AS TESTED
$53,840 (base price: $41,945)
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 4.8 sec
100 mph: 12.9 sec
120 mph: 20.7 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 5.6 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.8 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.7 sec
1/4 mile: 13.5 sec @ 102 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 149 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 304 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.97 gC/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 26 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 33 mpg
Highway range: 500 miles
EPA FUEL ECONOMY
Combined/city/highway: 27/24/31 mpg
2021 Acura TLX Type S
PRICE
Base/As Tested: $53,325/$54,625
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 4.9 sec
100 mph: 12.6 sec
1/4-Mile: 13.6 sec @ 103 mph
130 mph: 24.2 sec
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 5.5 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 3.3 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 4.5 sec
Top Speed (C/D est): 155 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 165 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 359 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.96 gC/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 19 mpg
EPA FUEL ECONOMY
Combined/City/Highway: 21/19/24 mpg
Better Number in Bold
2021 Audi A4 45 TFSI Quattro
PRICE AS TESTED
$53,840 (base price: $41,945)
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 4.8 sec
100 mph: 12.9 sec
120 mph: 20.7 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 5.6 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.8 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.7 sec
1/4 mile: 13.5 sec @ 102 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 149 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 304 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.97 gC/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 26 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 33 mpg
Highway range: 500 miles
EPA FUEL ECONOMY
Combined/city/highway: 27/24/31 mpg
2021 Acura TLX Type S
PRICE
Base/As Tested: $53,325/$54,625
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 4.9 sec
100 mph: 12.6 sec
1/4-Mile: 13.6 sec @ 103 mph
130 mph: 24.2 sec
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 5.5 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 3.3 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 4.5 sec
Top Speed (C/D est): 155 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 165 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 359 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.96 gC/D FUEL ECONOMY
Observed: 19 mpg
EPA FUEL ECONOMY
Combined/City/Highway: 21/19/24 mpg
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I mean what's your point? The cars competition is still the S4 is all I'm saying. Just because the S4 is superior doesn't mean it's not a TLX-S competitor. The thing about competitions is that they usually have winners so just because the S4 'is better in every way' doesn't mean shit. It's priced in the same segment and positioned as a S4 competitor, it's just not a good one.
#72
Performance brakes are to combat brake fade. Almost any brake system on a production car can completely stop a wheel from spinning (hence ABS). Average braking distance is dictated by tire compound and weight (and to some degree how good the ABS programming is).
#73
That 65k sticker price is with a boat load of unnecessary options and I'm including the super sport package and super sport dynamic steering in that as well because 90% of buyers don't need it as they will literally never leave the streets but to those who NEED it for a reason they also need more performance than the TLX-S has to offer so the TLX-S wasn't even on their radar.
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yes I was personally in the vehicle. That a4 is not even in the same class as the type s. I’ve driven a loaner a4 and it’s not even close to the type s as far as driving dynamics, pushing you back in the seat feeling and handling. That a4 has so much body roll for just a small sedan it’s not even fun.
Few things...How was it timed? As for driving dynamics I have never ridden in one so I have to rely on statements like yours & test data to get an idea if its fair to included it in the debate. The C&D test says the A4 scored better on the 300 foot test than the Type-S & M340 AWD. The Type-S scored better than the S4 0.95G & tied the M340 AWD @ 0.96G so its in the game in that metric.
What I am curious about is body roll. Thing is body roll negatively effects camber causing loss of traction. The loss of traction will allow the tires to slip on the 300 ft circle. The to Audi's A4 & S4 sandwich the Type S skid pad number & the N340 ties it. Additionally weight also effects this, lighter is better & the A4 is relatively lighter @ 3705 lb VS M340 3950 lb VS Type-S 4201 lb.
Car & Driver said this:
A4
"HIGHS Standard Quattro all-wheel drive, forgiving ride, athletic handling."
M340AWD
"brilliant ride and handling balance"
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I mean what's your point? The cars competition is still the S4 is all I'm saying. Just because the S4 is superior doesn't mean it's not a TLX-S competitor. The thing about competitions is that they usually have winners so just because the S4 'is better in every way' doesn't mean shit. It's priced in the same segment and positioned as a S4 competitor, it's just not a good one.
People looking at those those German models, throw in the MB C43 AMG are not likely to be looking at Acura. They are performance buyers much less price sensitive. Would give Acura a look VS the A4, 330 & bottom MB C. That can go both ways Acura to the Germans & the Germans to Acura due to price.
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True story can be found on all the Factory Five Forums. The FORD Mustang GT front & Mustang Cobra rear brakes are standard. The pads they are delivered with scared the shit out of me the first time I drove the car in Go-kart mode. Car to a loooooog time to drop from 70MPH.
Swapped the pads for HAWK HP+ with no other changes & the car will stop from 70MPH in under 100ft. Location is marked with a stop point & a 100ft point on the ground. Brakes are manual with no ABS. Downside is the pads are dirty. Track versions of the HAWK pad which I also use are very very dirty.
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I'm doing the same as Mr. Bell, getting the Tech pacakge TSX with SH AWD for $39,000, the type S is being sold for $62,000 for the first ones they get in. They only show a demo type S now, that i test drove. I test drove both the S and the TSX tech, and there's not much difference. The great price on the TSX, is with $2500.00 loyalty and a $4000.00 credit from the dealer for the lease deal. So, it is $20,000 difference , or even just over $20,000!
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And again, this "Audi fanboy" is awaiting the IS500 release to see what it's all about rather than running to be the first on the block to have a Type-S. Because, despite having never personally owned a Toyota/Lexus, I can't ignore that it's going to be quite a package, pending pricing. But, sure ... I'm the fanboy ...
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We'll see how the market plays out. If people are still paying sticker or higher (I don't know why anyone would pay mark-up on this car, but I'm told I'm just a hater), it won't happen. Plus, we don't yet know the production strategy of the TLX-S ... though I would think Acura would look to churn out as many of these as possible, as there's certainly nothing "special edition" about it. The microchip shortage is projected to end around late-2021, with the market not feeling the effects until mid-2022, so I'm sure that will play a role in when we start seeing people possibly getting discounts on the Type-S. They may even bring Loyalty/Conquest back for the Type-S when that adjustment happens ...
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