charliemike

mattg

If it was up to me I would probably axe them too, but it's not. And there is nothing in that post or the one on this page that even comes close to warranting a ban. You just have to shake the haters off.

ttribe

Move early and nip it in the bud with a preemptive ban?

Aman

I know CM hasn't had the best of luck with his E36. Just wondering if that's par for the course on those cars.

charliemike

Matt, he posts threads where he lists his top ten cars and they're all Lexus. He posts in people's threats crapping all over their cars. He goes into threads and goes off topic and contradicts himself for the sole purpose of pissing people off.

I understand it's not up to you. And any one of those things wouldn't be grounds for banning. But as a body of work, I have to say he's done more than enough to warrant at least a time out in the corner.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

We need him to shit on mattg's Subie thread.

Tommy8888

You gonna ban me for appreciating Lexus on an Acura Forum?

Lexus have gone toe to toe against BMW over the last 15 years or so and came out on top for 11 of those years. Lexus is now turning themselves into a 'driver's car' brand as well as luxury. You take a real close look at these two brands and you see that Lexus is NOT INFERIOR.


IS vs 3 Series
(350-335I)
RCF VS M4
ISF VS M5
RX VS X3
GS VS 5 SERIES
LS VS 7 SERIES
LFA vs ................................

In fact Lexus's flagship Sedan have managed to outsell BMW'S 7 Series for 8 of the last 12 years.(8-4 in Lexus's favor) And the four years that BMW managed to beat Lexus, it was all razor thin. BMW never crushed Lexus in the 80,000+ segment.

This shows that even in the 80,000+ segment, Lexus has gone and matched BMW head to head and more often than not beat BMW

The GS is arguably a better driver's car than the 5 Series. The IS F is on par with the M3. BMW have no answers for the ES or RX.The only segment BMW have is the 3 Series segment and the IS is going to be making a serious dent with this new generation.

ttribe

^^^I respectfully submit Exhibit A, your Honor.

Tommy8888

Are you insane? What is your problem?

Everything I stated is facts.
It is fact that Lexus have outsold BMW in America's Luxury market for 11 of the last 14 years. It is fact that the Lexus LS at 80,000+ have outsold or equaled the BMW 7 Series in that segment. It is fact that the ISF does match the M3.

It is fact that both are tier 1 giants. What exactly made the post I wrote a troll post?

CLtotheTL32

iTrader: (3)

How exactly is the GS a better "driver's car" than a 5-series? How is the IS-F "on par" with the M3? How do you know that the new IS will take away market share from the 3-series?

While stating statistics about sales DOES help your arguement, everything I left quoted above is speculation, opinion, or subjective depending on who you ask.

You cannot say "everything I've stated is facts" if you provide no evidence to back up your claims. If everything you said was truly factual, BMW would be out of business.

MaxMike93

The IS-F is a good car, but go watch Top Gear and how Jeremy Clarkson said the M3 is still a better car. And the LS and 7 Series aren't exactly the same mass market vehicles that the IS/GS and 3/5 series are.

Tommy8888

The IS already take away market share by selling 9000 units in 2 months. That's taking away market share. Because if the IS sold 0 units in 2 months, a lot of those 9000 units will go towards the BMW 320-335.

Although it is not 'fact' that the GS/ISF is better than the 5/M3, it is about as close to fact as you can get when you say 'neither side blow the other away'.

You are not going to say a M3 destroys a ISF or a 5 destroys the GS. Which one's better? That's opinion. But no way in Hell BMW destroys either sedan.


What IS FACT is that the BMW is less luxurious than the Lexus.How can it be opinion? You just need to sit in both cars and take a look.

Tommy8888

This guy also said that the RCF is a beast and that the best car he's ever driven was a Lexus.

Sarlacc

If mommy had bought a BMW these "posts" would be completely opposite.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Wait. Which car did he end up with again?

v6cord2k5

iTrader: (1)

E30 with a M50 FTW?

Costco

This is the most obvious troll I've seen in a long time

Tommy8888

If my Mom had brought me a BMW, I would have just walked to school or taken the campus shuttle. I know most of you don't care, but I got a sense of honor and integrity. I refuse to sit in a $43,000+ car who's interior can't even match that of the Mazda 6 Grand Touring(sexy car btw).

MTEAZY

Quit hating on brian6speed. He is nowhere near as bad as this guy. StonedCL should be unbanned also.

Tommy8888

It's cool, we cool. I understand now. I just read the Lexus LFA thread where an Acura Driver pretended he drove a Lexus. I get why my posts are so hated here now.

charliemike

Shhhh. Just go away.

Chief F1 Fan

Let him troll away and take it for what it's worth-zip. Just because he doesn't agree with you or anyone doesn't mean he has to be banned.

Aman

This is the kind of spoiled attitude that makes your opinion worthless.

ttribe

Sure you would, Tommy. Sure you would.

You seem to be missing the point, so let me state it again - these aren't his opinions. If you have followed his pattern, he posts whatever is going to disrupt the thread, or the forum, the most. There are several examples of diametrically opposing posts in different areas of the site that are indicative of this pattern. As near as I can tell, that's the very definition of a troll.

kurtatx

I could say the same thing about your posts in the "TLX News" threads. I won't, but I could.

ttribe

What? When have I been intentionally inconsistent in my posts in order to specifically create controversy? Don't play these passive aggressive games and expect not to be called to account for it. Either link to the evidence or don't post up your accusation.

oonowindoo

ISF Vs M5 really?

Lexus has 1 model that cost $80k. I can name at least 10 models from BMW and they are all selling pretty well.
Also LFA is done, no more. BMW makes bobsled and Lexus doesn't LOL

Now THOSE are facts.

Tommy8888

I meant M3.
Also stop lying. Name me the '10 models' that's selling well for BMW that's 80k+. Link please.

BMW got the 6,7 and M5. The M5 is a niche.

The 7 is comparable to Lexus's LS sales numbers.

The 6 is something BMW created to dilute their line up.

Who cares about numbers? You wanna go the number route? Lexus either beat or came close to BMW over the last 15-20 years.

The point I'm trying to make is that the NEW 3 Series is a step down from the old one and that BMW is heading in the wrong direction.


Look, I'm not bashing BMW. I'm simply saying that BMW might still be the superior brand overall, but in America Lexus is not that far behind.
It's not like BMW vs Acura.

oonowindoo

FYI. 5,6,X5,X6,7 can all go up to $80k easily, so based on configuration, you will have more than 10 models. THAT IS A FACT.

You are the one who brought up #s and now you say who cares about #?

The new 3 is a stepdown? because? i'd say it is different but a step down is just your OPINION, not a FACT.

I really don't care if you bash BMW or not, unless Lexus offer 6mt, otherwise they are just same ole Lexus.

Tommy8888

It's funny because if Leasing never existed, BMW will be lagging behind even more than they did prior to the Japanese situation and the full on explosion of leasing plans.

The majority of RX 350 purchases are actual purchases. Which shows that people are willing to shell out 40,000+ for a buy. The majority of BMW X3/X5 purchases are just leases. Think about that for a moment.
The people with 40,000+ to throw down on a car rather do it for a RX350 than for a X3. This is common knowledge and common sense.

Sarlacc

While Tommy is a non-sensical kid trolling and making some of the most idiotic comments in car talk we've all read in a long time...

This statement just doesn't hold any water. This isn't the early 2000s, where enthusiasts were griping at lexus for performance models with sticks.

Show me an AMG model with a 3rd pedal? How about the GTR? Im guessing if you dig into numbers...the bulk majority of M cars sold in the states are not stick.

Sad truth...for many enthusiasts...but don't pull your arguments down to Tommy's asshat level.

oonowindoo

Well that was just my opinion and i don't expect people to see it as a fact. I like cars with 6mt as you call tell. So unless Lexus offer 3 pedals, they are just same Lexus i would never buy.

Same reason why i wouldn't buy AMG, GTR and all the cars you mentioned. again my opinion.

oonowindoo

Now you want to talk about Leasing? People lease cars for many reasons.
If you are trying to say BUYING RX350 is more "ballin" because people spent $40,000 at once, which most of them don't. They finance over 60 months and i assume they want to keep the car for a while. Let's assume they keep the car for 9 years and I'd have leased 3 BMW already, i probably paid enough to buy 2 of your RX350. Who is Ballin now? LOL

How about RX350 offers all season tires and superior ground clearance?

ttribe

Helluva dilution:

MeehowsBRZ

The RX sure, but you do realize the ES is just a Camry with a L badge right?!?!

ttribe

Shhh, you'll start bursting bubbles.

oonowindoo

I thank god that BMW does not have an answer for ES.

Aman

BMW has no "answer" to the RX? What about the X3?

Tommy8888

Are you seriously going to compare the X3 to the RX?

The RX is the reason that 'X3' segment even exists. The Lexus RX literally created that entire luxury suv segment by itself. It has been the #1 seller since the existence of that segment. No other Luxury Brand come close to the RX in sales, it's not even competitive.


There is a reason that commercial exists. Every single Audi/Mercedes/Infiniti/BMW/Acura SUV cross over is just a side show of the RX 350.


Here is Salma Hayek promoting the RX350.


Here is Audi dissing RX350(the biggest sign that you have a great product is when the Germans themselves is attempting to drag you down)

Here is Audi again dissing the RX350.


You don't see Audi making commercials to attack the RDX now do you?



Maybe one day a luxury automaker can create something better than the RX350, but as of right now it's not even close.

The Lexus RX350 is still in pursue of perfection(it's the Lexus way) but it's a hella lot closer to it than BMW/AUDI/MERCEDES/ACURA/Infiniti when it comes to that segment.

Tommy8888

I'm sorry I don't mean to lose my cool, but the sheer audacity of some posters on here dissing the RX350? Are you serious? The only reason X3 is even alive is because of Lexus's genius to create that cross over luxury suv segment.

RX is the founding Father and all these other suvs are just the failed sons.

RX350 is a great SUV. It is by far the best SUV I ever had the pleasure of driving(my Aunt owns one). Each time I get into one, I know I'm sitting in the original and not a copy.

Look diss the IS, diss the ES, even diss the ISF. Hell diss the LFA. But don't cross the line and diss the RX350 because that's about as perfect as it can get and sale numbers back me up on this.