charliemike

The Focus ST was about 1 second per lap faster at Willow Springs than the BRZ but really that's probably because the Focus had 50-60hp and about 100lb-ft of torque on the Toyobaru.

But they all said they liked driving the BRZ more on the track despite it being slower.

The GTI might have been the standard at one point but the platform is at least nine years old. I'll be curious to see what the next one does.

The Toyobarus are, at the least, consistently lauded as drivers' cars which is not usually said about FF hatchbacks

Aman

How that stuff manages to get past QC astounds me.

JS + XES

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And that's exactly why I traded in my car.

Don't care about seconds being slower on tracks to other cars. As a car enthusiast, the driving feels trumps anything else.

I'm so much more satisfied driving this everyday than my modified MS3. And that's something. I can always modify the car to be a track monster just like Lotus if I really wanted.

But meh. You call 86s a RWD tC. Your points will never work in my head.

charliemike

It just pisses me off that they charge $28K for that car. From all accounts, it's a great car to drive. But it's not particularly fast. It's not particularly nice inside. It's not particularly good looking, either.

And if it were FWD instead of RWD, I think it'd be $20K. When the prototype came out, I fell in love with it. I wanted one badly.

But by the time they made all the changes my tastes had changed. I don't have time to drive two hours away to find twisty roads. I want something solid, quick in a straight line with some competence in a bend, and nice inside. If that's a wagon, I'm fine with that.

It doesn't mean I think you're wrong for liking your car

Crazy Bimmer

If the car was 20k and FWD, it would not have a big following as it does. IMO

Wait for the next jetta to come out and swoop in for the 1.8t that will be offered. Car is a hoot to drive for the money

JS + XES

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If that's how you feel, that's all fine. Obviously, we all have different opinions for every car on the market.

I do want to point out that, to me the pricing point on these cars are pretty fair.

MX5 with options can go up to $32k. S2K was certainly +$32k when it was sold new.

Yes, BRZ adds couple goodies inside and out for couple more thousands bucks. A FRS is a $25k. My BRZ had a sticker of $29k but got it for $26k.

Its power is adequate to begin with for a 2800 lbs car. Over +20 FI kits available on the market after a year and half of car's introduction to make the car a monster. It looks sexy to me from the outside. The inside looks sporty with a lot of leather inserts everywhere. The alcantara + leather seats are fairly comfy and hard enough to hold you in place pulling huge G's running on a set of Prius tires.

In short, you are getting old.

charliemike

Now you're just being mean.

It's true though. My ideal car would be a RS6 Avant.

A station wagon with a big engine

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Not being mean at all.

My wife wants a RS6 Avant.

Yumcha

Maybe you should buy your wife that RS6 Avant!




Be a man! Do the right thing! Be a man.

Costco

At this point I've gotten over the Toyobaru pricing. It fills a unique niche... where else can you get a sporty, compact hardtop RWD car in that price range?

The reliability is what concerns me.

civicdrivr

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I ditched my CL which had twice the HP and torque at the wheels because this car is way more fun to drive.

If you go with the Scion, you're stuck paying what they list it at. But many Subaru dealers are selling them at $3-4k under MSRP. So at $24k, do you still think its too much?

I'm a little annoyed at myself for not waiting to pick up a BRZ after they had been out for a while, despite that doofy front bumper.

Toss in 4.55 gears and this car is just as fast as a stock Focus ST in a straight line (according to Racecomp Engineering).

The biggest achilles heel in this car is the gearing. While a 4.10 FD ratio seems short, the tranny cogs more than make up for it . With a 4.55 FD, your revs at any given speed would raise ~10%, which isn't a whole lot more over stock at cruising speeds. I find myself staying in 5th gear on the highways unless Im doing 75-80 because the car is gutless. Everyone that is running 4.55 gears say that 6th now feels like 5th.

But, there's never anything wrong with a wagon with some power

THIS.

charliemike

$24K would get my attention for sure.

CLtotheTL32

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Do it and donate your current Avant to a great home

charliemike

They don't, and probably won't, sell the RS6 in the US :/

Crazy Bimmer

I think you would love the BRZ, just not enough room for your kids.

charliemike

I've decided to go for best car I can afford and stop faffing around with half-measures.

Sarlacc

A used smart car?

Rick_TL-S

Well, after seeing JS' thread, I've been wondering a bit more about the BRZ lately & decided to see just what they're running for. After doing some rough estimating, it appears the Acura still has just enough value that I could trade it in & the remaining difference could allow me to get a new Premium model without my payments actually increasing at all (possibly decreasing).

Thanks a lot JS.


Would consider used, but I've only found one & they want the as much as one brand new.

JS + XES

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Just go drive it. It really is a modern miata with nicer uinterior.

Let me know if you need anything. On the 86 forum, people are still getting good amount of discount on BRZs.

CLtotheTL32

iTrader: (3)

Damn it, everyone keeps getting new cars and now I want one

Rick_TL-S

I've been wanting to drive one for a while now, they're just not exactly in excessive stock.
I was told to by 1 salesman that if I really wanted an idea of how it drove, to test drive the FR-S as it shouldn't be all that different, & the features are what drive the Subaru's price.

Is there any talk of a STI or tS-like model coming soon, though? Would kind of irk the hell out of me to buy one if a quicker one is coming.

JS + XES

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This is what I did.

CC every local Subaru dealer in the same email. Tell them to give you the best price on the car that wanted. I'm ready to buy today, and I would go to the dealer that gives me the best price. Tell them that I want to test drive the car as well.

They would work with you. No need to haggle around at the dealership. The internet sales department works really well at the dealers these days. Don't even answer the phone calls. I ignored every phone call from the dealers. Just work through emails and get it done.

Rick_TL-S

Thanks for the advice.

BTW, is Galaxy Blue out of production already?

JS + XES

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Not sure. The one on the right? Saw couple at the dealership.

By the way, email this dealership in CO. They sell cars nationwide. Their delivery fee is pretty damn low too. They quoted me the lowest price. A lot of ft86 forum members buy from them.

http://www.heubergermotors.com/index.htm

Rick_TL-S

That's the one. The WR Blue Pearl is nice, but I'd like my next car to be a dark blue & the Galaxy looks really nice, imo.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

It's a really nice color.

Check this out when you get a chance.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3810

Rick_TL-S

Oh, you cheeky bastard.

If the color really is no longer available, maybe I'll be able to find some good deals on one.

srika

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comment...nt_washington/

civicdrivr

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Like any other accessible near-sportscar, I wouldn't buy used. But they do seem to hold their value rather well. Mine blue books for $17k (trade in) with nearly 40k miles on it.

Rumor is that they will increase displacement to 2.5l during the MMC - probably in 2015. No idea if it would be a different trim level though.

I believe they dropped that color for 2014 I was actually going to get that color, but went with Dark Grey Metallic instead (which I love though).

civicdrivr

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So who else peruses BringATrailer.com every now and then?

CLtotheTL32

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Never heard of it until now but damn, what a cool website.

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

http://bringatrailer.com/2014/01/05/...-celica-turbo/

CLtotheTL32

iTrader: (3)

I'm too busy drooling over that 2000GT

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

This one is awesome!!

http://bringatrailer.com/2013/12/17/...toyota-celica/

Unfortunately, no additional pics

Yumcha

Wow.

srika

shit just got real.

thanks for the tip!

Yumcha

I think CM will be dead first before he's in that...

charliemike

If I live in Manhattan

Otherwise, yes. You'd have to bury me in it. Someone in my neighborhood has one and commutes to DC in it ... I think they're insane. I'd rather drive a Chevy Sonic.

charliemike

I wish I liked owning and tinkering with an old car ... Damn you Bring a Trailer.

Yumcha

Or a 1-Series.



And if you dare, a MINI Cooper.