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brian2 08-29-2018 11:54 AM

wife knocked the SL1 off the counter this morning, so may be getting that SL2 after all.

brian2 08-30-2018 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by brian2 (Post 16288726)
wife knocked the SL1 off the counter this morning, so may be getting that SL2 after all.

seems to be just the lens filter... had to cut it off with a pair of dikes.... hopefully the threads are still good. Ordered a new filter.

Mizouse 08-30-2018 11:57 AM

If the lens was damaged, you could've just bought a new lens instead of a new cam?

:dunno:

brian2 08-30-2018 12:38 PM

wait, they come off?

Mizouse 08-30-2018 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by brian2 (Post 16289429)
wait, they come off?

:scratch: :huh:

Mizouse 08-31-2018 10:01 AM

:what:

via CR.


Canon announcements for September 5, 2018
  • Canon EOS R body
  • Canon EOS R w/24-105mm f/4L kit
  • Canon BG-E22
  • Canon RF 35mm f/1.8 M IS
  • Canon RF 50mm f/1.2L USM
  • Canon RF 28-70mm f/2L USM
  • Canon RF 24-105mm f/4L USM
  • Canon EF-M 32mm f/1.4 STM
  • Canon EF 400mm f/2.8L IS III
  • Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS III
    • The lens may have a different name, no confirmation yet.
  • M (or Mount) adapter R?
    • Since only “M.ADAP R” “M.ADAP R ND” “M.ADAP R PL” is written in the simple order form, the official name is unknown
  • PD-E1 is also included in the accessory list


SamDoe1 08-31-2018 10:31 AM

Seems like a pretty robust list of launch lenses! Lets hope they didn't phone in yet another camera body though.

srika 08-31-2018 10:43 AM

damn so it does have a new mount??? looks like Canon has been busy.

thoiboi 08-31-2018 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by brian2 (Post 16289429)
wait, they come off?

:what:

Mizouse 08-31-2018 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by srika (Post 16289974)
damn so it does have a new mount??? looks like Canon has been busy.

it is a new mount. BUT rumors suggest that EF mount lenses should be able to mount directly.

not sure on those adapter rumors. Since they mention ND and PL it could be a filter adapter.
ND = neutral density
PL = polarizing filter

:dunno:

brian2 08-31-2018 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Mizouse (Post 16289399)
If the lens was damaged, you could've just bought a new lens instead of a new cam?

:dunno:

I was thinking the worst, but it turned out to be just the lens.... Camera seems to be OK... took a couple pictures with another lens.
I ordered a new filter for the broken lens. Hopefully it's OK. It took a hard hit.

brian2 08-31-2018 11:27 AM

pretty nerve wracking trying to cut off the filter with dikes. All the youtube videos were pretty scary, but I was able to get it off much cleaner than those guys.

Mizouse 08-31-2018 06:42 PM

Kind of figured this would be the case.

But was hoping for someway to natively mount EF lenses w/o an adapter.


From Nokishita;
M adapter R was confirmed with “Mount Adapter EF – EOS R”. Three types of mount adapters are available with control ring and drop-in filter.
https://www.canonrumors.com/news-fla...ws-for-others/

Mizouse 08-31-2018 07:59 PM

its here!




Canon EOS R Specifications
  • 30.3mp Full Frame CMOS
  • Dual pixel CMOS AF
    • 100% vertical x 88% horizontal AF coverage (We think)
  • EV -6 low brightness autofocus
  • 4K video
  • Touchscreen LCD
  • Articulating screen
  • Wi-Fi · Bluetooth
  • Dustproof
  • Drip-proof
  • Magnesium body
  • Battery: LP-E6N
  • Battery grip: BG-E 22
  • Size: Width of about 136 mm × height of about 98 mm
  • Weight: Approximately 580 g
  • Mount: inner diameter 54 mm, flange back 20 mm, 12 pin
  • Mount adapter: “Mount adapter EF – EOS R” “Control ring mount adapter EF – EOS R” “Drop – in filter mount adapter EF – EOS R”

https://www.canonrumors.com/here-are...-mount-lenses/

Mizouse 08-31-2018 08:00 PM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...52efcb8889.jpg
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https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...0b0bea1bab.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...6185636b00.jpg
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https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...d2aaa8da91.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...debf72f796.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...b91ded10a9.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...d00577199f.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...0387a6530e.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...5abaecc66b.jpg

Mizouse 08-31-2018 08:00 PM

-6 EV autofocus sensitivity!!! :what:

Mizouse 08-31-2018 08:06 PM

:ibonly1cardslot:


The backside looks more like a Rebel SL2 thou :ponder:


looks like the R lenses have a programmable control wheel. :ponder:

jupitersolo 09-01-2018 12:09 PM

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...5cd8ba08e.jpeg
They changed the camera strap anchor, wonder if that will hold over the long term.


Sarlacc 09-02-2018 01:19 AM

If the leaked specs on the camera are true...it’s a dud.

But we’ll see. Maybe Canon is faking everyone out.

Mizouse 09-02-2018 12:03 PM

yea.. link to full specs.

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eo...pecifications/


No mention if there is any crop in 4K.
No mention of IBIS
No mention of eye AF (yet the EOS M50 has it?)
No 1080p 120fps

is300eater 09-02-2018 12:18 PM

5,655 AF points? :what:

pttl 09-02-2018 01:05 PM

:rofl:

Mizouse 09-02-2018 05:04 PM

yea i saw that too. so i looked more into how dual pixel AF works.

kind of interesting


Dual Pixel CMOS AF, as of April 2018, is the only industry AF technology that uses every pixel on the imaging sensor to detect focus, and also to capture actual image information for still and video imagery. Focus can be detected anywhere, within a “live” area covering about 80% of the horizontal and vertical width of the entire CMOS imaging sensor.
https://learn.usa.canon.com/resource...pixel-af.shtml

So basically with a 24mp sensor with 6000x4000 resolution, in the live area theres about 15.36 million AF points. That number they give is the just number of selectable AF points :what:

pttl 09-02-2018 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by Mizouse (Post 16290691)
yea i saw that too. so i looked more into how dual pixel AF works.

kind of interesting



https://learn.usa.canon.com/resource...pixel-af.shtml

So basically with a 24mp sensor with 6000x4000 resolution, in the live area theres about 15.36 million AF points. That number they give is the just number of selectable AF points :what:

Only 5000 selectable AF points? Lol. At what point is enough too much?

SamDoe1 09-04-2018 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by pttl (Post 16290707)
Only 5000 selectable AF points? Lol. At what point is enough too much?

Anything over one since I just use the center one all the time. :rofl:

Mizouse 09-04-2018 06:41 PM


Probable announcement times around the globe:
  • Los Angeles, USA 12:00 AM
  • Toronto, Canada 3:00 AM
  • London, England 8:00 AM
  • New Delhi, India 12:30 PM
  • Hong Kong 3:00 PM
  • Sydney, Australia 5:00 PM

ill be sleeping instead.

Mizouse 09-05-2018 02:01 AM

:sleep:


for anyone that wants to watch



is300eater 09-05-2018 02:54 AM

I don't do video (at all), but I think this has the same crop in 4k as the 5D4

Mizouse 09-05-2018 02:57 AM


EOS R body only will sell at $2,299,
EOS R with RF 24-105mm f/4L IS at $3,399,
RF 50mm f/1.2L at $2,299,
RF 28-70mm f/2L at $2,999,
RF 35mm f/1.8 IS STM Macro at $499.
.

Mizouse 09-05-2018 03:00 AM


Originally Posted by is300eater (Post 16291865)
I don't do video (at all), but I think this has the same crop in 4k as the 5D4

ive been looking but I can’t see a crop mentioned.

camera will do 4K 8-bit 4:2:0 internally.
8-bit 4:2:2 externally over HDMI.
10-bit 4:2:2 externally over HDMI in either rec709 or rec2020 :what:


Canon Log is included! :cheers:

Mizouse 09-05-2018 03:01 AM


Mizouse 09-05-2018 03:07 AM

Holy you can transfer CRAW wirelessly!


Answering the demand for enhanced mobile editing of RAW image files, Canon is also announcing a new application, Digital Photo Professional Express (DPP Express). In combination with an updated Canon Camera Connect App, DPP Express enables users to send, view, edit and process CR3 RAW files on their iPad. A free download of the app will be available October 2018.

Mizouse 09-05-2018 03:13 AM



Originally Posted by is300eater (Post 16291865)
I don't do video (at all), but I think this has the same crop in 4k as the 5D4


Originally Posted by Mizouse (Post 16291867)


ive been looking but I can’t see a crop mentioned.

camera will do 4K 8-bit 4:2:0 internally.
8-bit 4:2:2 externally over HDMI.
10-bit 4:2:2 externally over HDMI in either rec709 or rec2020 :what:


Canon Log is included! :cheers:


confirmed. There is a crop in 4K :bored: :cuss: :swear:

Canon DLC: Article: Canon EOS R Camera: Video Operation and Control Features

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...e910e583e.jpeg




Sarlacc 09-05-2018 08:49 AM

There is nothing about this system that screams must have. It feels like a very mixed bag and somewhat half baked.

They have good marketing though. Nikon was a lesson is how not to market the right things.

SamDoe1 09-05-2018 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Canon
Recording MediaSD/SDHC/SDXC Memory Cards

:ninja: Think Fuji is the same?

In any case, I agree that this is a solid meh and, for the price, I'm curious to see how the image quality compares with the Sonys and Nikons.

Mizouse 09-05-2018 12:11 PM

I'm assuming for IQ it'll the same or better than the 5D4.

The MP count is slightly different: 5D4 30.1mp vs EOSR 30.3

Also digic 8 vs 6+


But I agree. Nothing special about this camera.
Seems like it's more to prevent the bleeding of people switching to Sony.

not sure if it's enough thou.



Mizouse 09-05-2018 12:12 PM

The card slot is UHS-II compatible. :ponder:

brian2 09-05-2018 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by SamDoe1 (Post 16291134)
Anything over one since I just use the center one all the time. :rofl:

same here, except on my camera it's not available in all modes which is annoying.

thoiboi 09-05-2018 03:32 PM

hmmmm so wonder if it was worthwhile for me to hold off on buying that M50.. :ponder:

Mizouse 09-05-2018 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by thoiboi (Post 16292343)
hmmmm so wonder if it was worthwhile for me to hold off on buying that M50.. :ponder:

the EOSR is like 4x the price of the EOS M50 :shrug:

jupitersolo 09-05-2018 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Sarlacc (Post 16291968)
There is nothing about this system that screams must have. It feels like a very mixed bag and somewhat half baked.

They have good marketing though. Nikon was a lesson is how not to market the right things.

They have dumbed down the fuck out of this camera...., Functions they are touting about, can only be done in very limited settings. If anyone wants to know, you suffer the same as I did, go watch the Jared Polin video. I will get one thing, touting -6EV, thats only come with one lens, 50mm 1.2.

SamDoe1 09-06-2018 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Mizouse (Post 16292182)
The card slot is UHS-II compatible. :ponder:

Is UHS-II required?


Originally Posted by brian2 (Post 16292197)
same here, except on my camera it's not available in all modes which is annoying.

What modes are you using that lock out focus point selection?

brian2 09-06-2018 11:00 AM

I think both auto modes

Mizouse 09-06-2018 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by SamDoe1 (Post 16292768)
Is UHS-II required?

I would say yes, for video at least.

Their 4k records at 480mbps or 60MB/sec.

at the minimum you're gonna need a V60 SDXC card.
i don't think I've seen any UHS-I V60 cards.






jupitersolo 09-06-2018 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by Mizouse (Post 16292880)


I would say yes, for video at least.

Their 4k records at 480mbps or 60MB/sec.

at the minimum you're gonna need a V60 SDXC card.
i don't think I've seen any UHS-I V60 cards.

Though Canon has DUMB down the FPS with this camera. Having it for stills will be good as well. It does 8fps, but in Servo mode it only does 5fps. But using the UHS-II gives it a bigger buffer flow. Allowing about 40 or so RAW images before having to wait, but thats with 5fps in Servo mode.

SamDoe1 09-06-2018 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by brian2 (Post 16292821)
I think both auto modes

Don't use auto mode. Problem solved. Stick with shutter/aperture priority or manual.


Originally Posted by Mizouse (Post 16292880)
I would say yes, for video at least.

Their 4k records at 480mbps or 60MB/sec.

at the minimum you're gonna need a V60 SDXC card.
i don't think I've seen any UHS-I V60 cards.

I've shot exactly zero minutes of video using my camera in the entire time I've used it and not looking likely to change that anytime soon. I very rarely use burst mode since I mostly do landscapes. Still need UHS-II card?

is300eater 09-06-2018 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by jupitersolo (Post 16292402)
They have dumbed down the fuck out of this camera...., Functions they are touting about, can only be done in very limited settings. If anyone wants to know, you suffer the same as I did, go watch the Jared Polin video. I will get one thing, touting -6EV, thats only come with one lens, 50mm 1.2.

I think this was rushed... they should've held off and brought out something (later) that's NOT dumbed down... but then again, maybe that's just Canon's way :dunno:

Mizouse 09-06-2018 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by is300eater (Post 16292961)
I think this was rushed... they should've held off and brought out something (later) that's NOT dumbed down... but then again, maybe that's just Canon's way :dunno:

its Canons way :sad: :bored: :annoyed:

the rumors originally called for 2 full frame mirrorless cams.

a lower end followed by a higher end model approx 6 months after the release of the low end.

For the specs this would make sense. The EOS R is more of a 6D mk II. :dunno:

Mizouse 09-06-2018 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by SamDoe1 (Post 16292947)
I've shot exactly zero minutes of video using my camera in the entire time I've used it and not looking likely to change that anytime soon. I very rarely use burst mode since I mostly do landscapes. Still need UHS-II card?

in that context no.

UHS-II slots are backwards compatible with UHS-I cards.

In the EOS R you can actually turn off the UHS-II feature :chuckle:


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...93eca2d2cc.jpg


srika 09-06-2018 02:22 PM

small form factor 5D4 with a faster processor and a competitive price. I dig. :thumbsup:

but whyyyyyy a new mount????? :thumbsdown:

if it had an EF mount I WOULD be interested...... :bored:

Sarlacc 09-06-2018 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by srika (Post 16293057)
small form factor 5D4 with a faster processor and a competitive price. I dig. :thumbsup:

but whyyyyyy a new mount????? :thumbsdown:

if it had an EF mount I WOULD be interested...... :bored:

same reason Nikon created a new mount.

And like Nikon there is an adapter (or 3)

Mizouse 09-09-2018 04:17 PM

Good news for Eye-AF!

new firmware coming when the EOS R is available

https://www.canonrumors.com/function...rmware-update/


What’s coming in the firmware?
  • Eye detect AF in continuous shooting. The EOS R launches with the ability to do this in one shot.
  • Additional touch bar functionality added.
  • Continuous shooting in silent shutter mode. The EOS R only allows this feature in single shot at launch.
  • A “few tweaks” to video functionality. The 4K crop will not be changed, nor will the maximum frame rate in 4K.
  • Bug fixes


Sarlacc 09-09-2018 11:58 PM

Still a “shit the bed” camera.

Mizouse 10-02-2018 10:05 AM

As previously mentioned. There's a rumor for the development announcement of the higher end EOS R in Jan 2019 with official launch at a later date.

:popcorn:

Sarlacc 10-02-2018 10:14 AM

I went to buy a XQD card last Friday...and the Canon was rep was standing all by his lonesome at a counter with about 4 EOS R bodies and lenses for people to play with....except nobody cared. I went over for a second. The 50mm 1.2 is HUGE and Heavy....the specs of the camera are shit...I've heard rumor that pre-sales are in the shitter for this thing.

Canon fucked up. Big Time.


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