Toyota: Recall News
#281
The sizzle in the Steak
lol at the lets stay with the facts while totally overlooking the facts that were already in place before this story broke
1. 2000+ incidents reported of Toyota cars having surges in accelleration.
2. At least 19 people are dead.
3. Toyota has known about this problem for a very long time
"Toyota has been under scrutiny for suspected unintended acceleration for approximately 10 years. A total of 19 deaths have been connected to unintended acceleration in Toyotas over the decade, according to some analysts, a figure the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration called "plausible," based on its own research.
source
http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/01/auto...x.htm?hpt=Sbin
1. 2000+ incidents reported of Toyota cars having surges in accelleration.
2. At least 19 people are dead.
3. Toyota has known about this problem for a very long time
"Toyota has been under scrutiny for suspected unintended acceleration for approximately 10 years. A total of 19 deaths have been connected to unintended acceleration in Toyotas over the decade, according to some analysts, a figure the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration called "plausible," based on its own research.
source
http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/01/auto...x.htm?hpt=Sbin
You still do not appear to understand what it means to be criminally negligent.
#282
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...100209971/1147
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Department of Transportation is looking into whether Toyota Motor Corp.'s problems with unintended acceleration can be traced to defects in the electronic controls rather than just the mechanical problems cited by the automaker, a Transportation official said today.
“We're not finished with Toyota and are continuing to review possible defects and monitor the implementation of the recalls,” Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said today in a statement.
When asked whether the federal review includes possible electronic problems with Toyota vehicles, a Transportation official who asked not to be identified responded in an e-mail, “Yes.”
Toyota spokesman John Hanson said he knows little about the expanded federal investigation.
"After many years of extensive testing, we've found no evidence of an electronic problem that could have contributed to unwanted acceleration," Hanson said in an interview. "We've investigated many times and found no evidence to point to."
Since announcing its recalls and a production halt last week, Toyota has maintained that problems with unintended acceleration were limited to floor mat interference and sticky accelerator pedals.
Accusations denied
Shinichi Sasaki, Toyota's vice president in charge of quality, today denied accusations that electronic malfunctions were contributing to the reports of unintended acceleration.
“We have not come across any case in which we have found a malfunction,” Sasaki said in an interview in Japan. “But if any additional reports arise, we will conduct testing using all technology at our disposal.”
Also, in a full-page advertisement that ran in many U.S. newspapers today, Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. President Jim Lentz said: “We have launched a comprehensive plan to permanently fix the vehicles we've recalled because in rare instances, accelerator pedals can, over time, become slow to release or get stuck. We know what's causing this and what we have to do to fix it.”
But Safety Research & Strategies, a consulting firm, said in a posting on its Web site: “Neither floor mats nor sticking accelerator pedals explain many, many incidents” of unintended acceleration.
Electronics have 'significant role'
“By all appearances, electronics are playing a significant role in the problems," Sean Kane, president of Safety Research & Strategies, said in an interview. The Transportation Department investigation “has needed to happen for some time,'' Kane said.
The investigation should cover 2002-06 Camry cars and 2005-07 Tacoma pickups, both of which have been the subject of numerous consumer complaints suggesting possible electronic defects, he said.
In one case that has raised questions about electronic flaws, Bulent Ezal's 2005 Camry surged over the curb of a restaurant parking lot, lurched 23 feet and careened 70 feet down a cliff into the surf of the Pacific Ocean, killing Ezal's wife, said his attorney, Donald Slavik of Milwaukee.
“His foot was on the brake, floor mats were in position and hooked on, and he was about to shift into park,'' Slavik said. “I'm highly confident it was electronic in nature."
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...#ixzz0eUjDzrMv
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Department of Transportation is looking into whether Toyota Motor Corp.'s problems with unintended acceleration can be traced to defects in the electronic controls rather than just the mechanical problems cited by the automaker, a Transportation official said today.
“We're not finished with Toyota and are continuing to review possible defects and monitor the implementation of the recalls,” Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said today in a statement.
When asked whether the federal review includes possible electronic problems with Toyota vehicles, a Transportation official who asked not to be identified responded in an e-mail, “Yes.”
Toyota spokesman John Hanson said he knows little about the expanded federal investigation.
"After many years of extensive testing, we've found no evidence of an electronic problem that could have contributed to unwanted acceleration," Hanson said in an interview. "We've investigated many times and found no evidence to point to."
Since announcing its recalls and a production halt last week, Toyota has maintained that problems with unintended acceleration were limited to floor mat interference and sticky accelerator pedals.
Accusations denied
Shinichi Sasaki, Toyota's vice president in charge of quality, today denied accusations that electronic malfunctions were contributing to the reports of unintended acceleration.
“We have not come across any case in which we have found a malfunction,” Sasaki said in an interview in Japan. “But if any additional reports arise, we will conduct testing using all technology at our disposal.”
Also, in a full-page advertisement that ran in many U.S. newspapers today, Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. President Jim Lentz said: “We have launched a comprehensive plan to permanently fix the vehicles we've recalled because in rare instances, accelerator pedals can, over time, become slow to release or get stuck. We know what's causing this and what we have to do to fix it.”
But Safety Research & Strategies, a consulting firm, said in a posting on its Web site: “Neither floor mats nor sticking accelerator pedals explain many, many incidents” of unintended acceleration.
Electronics have 'significant role'
“By all appearances, electronics are playing a significant role in the problems," Sean Kane, president of Safety Research & Strategies, said in an interview. The Transportation Department investigation “has needed to happen for some time,'' Kane said.
The investigation should cover 2002-06 Camry cars and 2005-07 Tacoma pickups, both of which have been the subject of numerous consumer complaints suggesting possible electronic defects, he said.
In one case that has raised questions about electronic flaws, Bulent Ezal's 2005 Camry surged over the curb of a restaurant parking lot, lurched 23 feet and careened 70 feet down a cliff into the surf of the Pacific Ocean, killing Ezal's wife, said his attorney, Donald Slavik of Milwaukee.
“His foot was on the brake, floor mats were in position and hooked on, and he was about to shift into park,'' Slavik said. “I'm highly confident it was electronic in nature."
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...#ixzz0eUjDzrMv
#283
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Sounds like that's gross criminal negligence, borderline malfeasance and definitely blind to the corporate ethos standard. These Toyota corporate fuckers should be committing ritual seppukku for their acts.
#284
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Interesting...I've mentioned the 05 Tacoma a couple now, I know in the other thread car talk they tried to lance me for mentioning it....
Glad to see they have the same doubts a lot of us have in regards to it being strictly mechanical.
Glad to see they have the same doubts a lot of us have in regards to it being strictly mechanical.
#286
The sizzle in the Steak
Known issue for 10 years which NHTSA says 19 deaths are probably related including many more injuries. Thousands of complaints related to throttle control system that accelerate without the driver input and now gov't intervention pressures Toyota to stop production & create a fix to avert more injuries / deaths.
Sounds like that's gross criminal negligence, borderline malfeasance and definitely blind to the corporate ethos standard. These Toyota corporate fuckers should be committing ritual seppukku for their acts.
Sounds like that's gross criminal negligence, borderline malfeasance and definitely blind to the corporate ethos standard. These Toyota corporate fuckers should be committing ritual seppukku for their acts.
Toyota has been under scrutiny for suspected unintended acceleration for approximately 10 years. A total of 19 deaths have been connected to unintended acceleration in Toyotas over the decade, according to some analysts, a figure the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration called "plausible," based on its own research.
If Toyota is found to be crimanlly negligent....then so be it.
They deserve what would be coming to them.
The fact is that these are your opinions.....allegations based on you opinions do not prove criminal negligence on the part of Toyota.
#287
The sizzle in the Steak
#288
The sizzle in the Steak
Oops!
Feb. 3 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said he misspoke today when he said owners of recalled Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles should stop driving them until the company fixes a defect causing sudden acceleration.
LaHood sought to clarify his remarks in comments to reporters after a congressional hearing. He said that if owners are in doubt, they should take their cars to the dealership.
In earlier comments to a House Appropriations panel hearing in Washington, LaHood advised drivers to “stop driving it and take it to a Toyota dealer.”
“What I said in there was obviously a misstatement,” LaHood told reporters. “If you own one of these cars, take it to the dealer. If you are in doubt, take it to the dealer and have them fix it.”
LaHood sought to clarify his remarks in comments to reporters after a congressional hearing. He said that if owners are in doubt, they should take their cars to the dealership.
In earlier comments to a House Appropriations panel hearing in Washington, LaHood advised drivers to “stop driving it and take it to a Toyota dealer.”
“What I said in there was obviously a misstatement,” LaHood told reporters. “If you own one of these cars, take it to the dealer. If you are in doubt, take it to the dealer and have them fix it.”
#289
The sizzle in the Steak
Hardly a "misspoke".....I bet he got a phone call that was not "pleasant".
Toyota and the NHTSA are all over the board with their press releases and statements.
Toyota and the NHTSA are all over the board with their press releases and statements.
#290
Race Director
It's too late - you can't unring a bell. That "don't drive it" comment is already out there. LaHood is an idiot. Yet another reason the gov't should stay out of the way.
I feel real sorry for folks trying to sell/trade-in one of these recalled vehicles - they thought they'd get good resale on them, but until this blows over, resale values are bound to take a huge hit.
I feel real sorry for folks trying to sell/trade-in one of these recalled vehicles - they thought they'd get good resale on them, but until this blows over, resale values are bound to take a huge hit.
#293
Team Owner
#294
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Here is the quote again...no sarc.
Under scrutiny, and plausible....does not equal criminal negligence.
If Toyota is found to be crimanlly negligent....then so be it.
They deserve what would be coming to them.
The fact is that these are your opinions.....allegations based on you opinions do not prove criminal negligence on the part of Toyota.
Under scrutiny, and plausible....does not equal criminal negligence.
If Toyota is found to be crimanlly negligent....then so be it.
They deserve what would be coming to them.
The fact is that these are your opinions.....allegations based on you opinions do not prove criminal negligence on the part of Toyota.
The fact is that for years they blamed these incidents on floormats, yet didn't do anything to prevent future occurences until the highly publicized deaths of the Saylor / LaStrella family.. now they're blaming it on the accelerator pedal yet have not acknowledged a defect in their Lexus line.
So we can safely say:
- they knew about it for years whether or not they knew the root cause
- people kept dying even in incidents where floormats were not in the vehicle, yet they offered no investigation or probing to prevent future occurrences until recently.
- They couldn't conceal it from the public view and they're playing damage control, as well as NHTSA.
Criminal Negligence is ambiguous to say the least unless there's hard evidence of a coverup. They definitely didn't perform due diligence in my book. Will criminal charges arise? Unfortunately, I highly doubt it as no criminal action was taken upon Ford in the deaths & fires related to their faulty cruise control switches.. a recall that spanned almost 14M vehicles built over a decade. If you want resources to the above stated facts I'd be more that happy to share, otherwise like Toyota I'm Moving Forward..... even if I don't want to.
Last edited by Majofo; 02-03-2010 at 01:41 PM.
#296
99 TL, 06 E350
[QUOTE=YeuEmMaiMai;11706772]"Toyota has been under scrutiny for suspected unintended acceleration for approximately 10 years.
Something is suspicious here. If the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration knew about this. Why didn’t they say anything?
If only 2000 incidents reported out of the millions sold, then that’s nothing to be concerned about. You’re more likely to get into an accident due to driver error, and other mechanical faults.
Something is suspicious here. If the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration knew about this. Why didn’t they say anything?
If only 2000 incidents reported out of the millions sold, then that’s nothing to be concerned about. You’re more likely to get into an accident due to driver error, and other mechanical faults.
#298
The sizzle in the Steak
The fact is that for years they blamed these incidents on floormats, yet didn't do anything to prevent future occurences until the highly publicized deaths of the Saylor / LaStrella family.. now they're blaming it on the accelerator pedal yet have not acknowledged a defect in their Lexus line.
So we can safely say:
Criminal Negligence is ambiguous to say the least unless there's hard evidence of a coverup. They definitely didn't perform due diligence in my book. Will criminal charges arise? Unfortunately, I highly doubt it as no criminal action was taken upon Ford in the deaths & fires related to their faulty cruise control switches.. a recall that spanned almost 14M vehicles built over a decade. If you want resources to the above stated facts I'd be more that happy to share, otherwise like Toyota I'm Moving Forward..... even if I don't want to.
So we can safely say:
- they knew about it for years whether or not they knew the root cause
- people kept dying even in incidents where floormats were not in the vehicle, yet they offered no investigation or probing to prevent future occurrences until recently.
- They couldn't conceal it from the public view and they're playing damage control, as well as NHTSA.
Criminal Negligence is ambiguous to say the least unless there's hard evidence of a coverup. They definitely didn't perform due diligence in my book. Will criminal charges arise? Unfortunately, I highly doubt it as no criminal action was taken upon Ford in the deaths & fires related to their faulty cruise control switches.. a recall that spanned almost 14M vehicles built over a decade. If you want resources to the above stated facts I'd be more that happy to share, otherwise like Toyota I'm Moving Forward..... even if I don't want to.
...again "in your book"...your opinion is what it is...you are entitled to it, but if proves nothing. You can't bring corporations up on criminal charges just because you did not like the way they responded to something.
When people die because a vehicle part is defective, it does not mean that the vehicle maker is criminally negligent.
Was Ford found criminally negligent in their cruise control recall?
#299
The sizzle in the Steak
#300
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Something is suspicious here. If the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration knew about this. Why didn’t they say anything?
If only 2000 incidents reported out of the millions sold, then that’s nothing to be concerned about. You’re more likely to get into an accident due to driver error, and other mechanical faults.
If only 2000 incidents reported out of the millions sold, then that’s nothing to be concerned about. You’re more likely to get into an accident due to driver error, and other mechanical faults.
#301
Race Director
Just in from KBB:
It's not just Toyota that is taking in the a$$.
Feb. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Toyota Motor Corp. vehicle prices recommended by Kelley Blue Book may be trimmed as much as 5 percent after a recall to fix a defect causing sudden acceleration.
The Toyota recall prompted Kelley Blue Book, the used-auto pricing service used as a guide in private-party transactions, to lower suggested rates on involved vehicles by 1 percent to 3 percent, Robyn Eckard, a Kelley spokeswoman, said today in an e- mail. Any delay by Toyota in resolving the issue may reduce prices by 3 percent to 5 percent, she said.
The Toyota recall prompted Kelley Blue Book, the used-auto pricing service used as a guide in private-party transactions, to lower suggested rates on involved vehicles by 1 percent to 3 percent, Robyn Eckard, a Kelley spokeswoman, said today in an e- mail. Any delay by Toyota in resolving the issue may reduce prices by 3 percent to 5 percent, she said.
#303
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Blamed it on mats for years?!?!? Where have they been saying it "for years"?
...again "in your book"...your opinion is what it is...you are entitled to it, but if proves nothing. You can't bring corporations up on criminal charges just because you did not like the way they responded to something.
When people die because a vehicle part is defective, it does not mean that the vehicle maker is criminally negligent.
Was Ford found criminally negligent in their cruise control recall?
...again "in your book"...your opinion is what it is...you are entitled to it, but if proves nothing. You can't bring corporations up on criminal charges just because you did not like the way they responded to something.
When people die because a vehicle part is defective, it does not mean that the vehicle maker is criminally negligent.
Was Ford found criminally negligent in their cruise control recall?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6d2aOcziDA
^ over 3 years ago.
http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/document/NHTSA_filing_summary.pdf
http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/document/NHTSA_Filing.pdf
^ From Toyota's newsroom.. Read Mr. Pepski's complaint thoroughly on how he reached the underside of the accelerator pedal to lift it up yet the throttle was still engaged. Read all the valid complaints yet ODI refuses to do a thorough investigation because NHTSA's resources are scarce.
You want my real opinion.. If this was my family, I'd kill everyone of those corporate toyota mother fuckers. Here's an idea.. why don't you post your opinion on their memorial site to save the family the embarrasment of pursuing legal action. As far as I'm concerned your can take your entitled opinion & shove it up your ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHGSWs4uJzY
#304
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ Still didn't answer my question.
Toyota blamed it on mats for years?!?!? Where have they been saying it "for years"?
As far as I know the mats were stated as a recall issue this past fall.
Clearly they have been looking into it for years......but stating that it is the problem for years?
You keep dancing around the issue. Toyota has not been found to be criminally negligent.
People die in car crashes all the time from vehicle defects for nearly a century now.
This is no different.
Toyota blamed it on mats for years?!?!? Where have they been saying it "for years"?
As far as I know the mats were stated as a recall issue this past fall.
Clearly they have been looking into it for years......but stating that it is the problem for years?
You keep dancing around the issue. Toyota has not been found to be criminally negligent.
People die in car crashes all the time from vehicle defects for nearly a century now.
This is no different.
#305
The sizzle in the Steak
Recall list at-a-glance
Key:
P = Pedal recall only
F = Floor mat recall only
B = Both recalls apply
Note: Some Toyota vehicles were assembled in both Japan and North America. Japanese-built cars, identified by a vehicle identification number (VIN) that begins with J, have not been recalled for sticking pedal issues. Some have been recalled for floor mats, however.
North American market Toyotas affected by recall
Avalon (2005-2010) – B
Camry (2007-2010, except Hybrid, J VIN) – B
Camry (2007-2010 J VIN) – F
Camry Hybrid (2007-2010) – F
Corolla (2009-2010) – B
Highlander (2008-2010, except Hybrid, J VIN) – B
Highlander (2008-2010 J VIN) – F
Highlander Hybrid (2008-2010) – F
Matrix (2009-2010) – B
Prius (2004-2009) – F
RAV4 (2009-2010) – P
Sequoia (2008-2010) – P
Tacoma (2005-2010) – F
Tundra (2007-2010) - B
Venza (2009-2010) – F
European market Toyotas affected by pedal recall
Toyota’s United Kingdom office announced a pedal recall only for a number of European-market Toyotas. Check your vehicle’s build date (found on a sticker located in the driver’s door well) to verify when your car was assembled.
AYGO manual transmission (2/2005-8/2009)
iQ (11/2008-11/2009)
Yaris (11/2005-9/2009)
Auris (10/2006-1/2010)
Corolla (10/2006-12/2009)
Verso (2/2009-1/2010)
Avensis (11/2008-12/2009)
Non-Toyota products affected by pedal and/or floor mat recall
Citroen C1 (2/2005-8/2009) – P
Peugeot 107 (2/2005-8/2009) – P
Pontiac Vibe (2009-2010) – B
P = Pedal recall only
F = Floor mat recall only
B = Both recalls apply
Note: Some Toyota vehicles were assembled in both Japan and North America. Japanese-built cars, identified by a vehicle identification number (VIN) that begins with J, have not been recalled for sticking pedal issues. Some have been recalled for floor mats, however.
North American market Toyotas affected by recall
Avalon (2005-2010) – B
Camry (2007-2010, except Hybrid, J VIN) – B
Camry (2007-2010 J VIN) – F
Camry Hybrid (2007-2010) – F
Corolla (2009-2010) – B
Highlander (2008-2010, except Hybrid, J VIN) – B
Highlander (2008-2010 J VIN) – F
Highlander Hybrid (2008-2010) – F
Matrix (2009-2010) – B
Prius (2004-2009) – F
RAV4 (2009-2010) – P
Sequoia (2008-2010) – P
Tacoma (2005-2010) – F
Tundra (2007-2010) - B
Venza (2009-2010) – F
European market Toyotas affected by pedal recall
Toyota’s United Kingdom office announced a pedal recall only for a number of European-market Toyotas. Check your vehicle’s build date (found on a sticker located in the driver’s door well) to verify when your car was assembled.
AYGO manual transmission (2/2005-8/2009)
iQ (11/2008-11/2009)
Yaris (11/2005-9/2009)
Auris (10/2006-1/2010)
Corolla (10/2006-12/2009)
Verso (2/2009-1/2010)
Avensis (11/2008-12/2009)
Non-Toyota products affected by pedal and/or floor mat recall
Citroen C1 (2/2005-8/2009) – P
Peugeot 107 (2/2005-8/2009) – P
Pontiac Vibe (2009-2010) – B
#306
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
/rant
#307
I'm the Firestarter
Anybody else remember this from last year?
“How many times have you made a mistake?” Shoichiro [Toyoda] grilled [former President] Watanabe
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a9yJCGNHdGWs
He was right to be pissed, and he didn't even know how bad it would get.
“How many times have you made a mistake?” Shoichiro [Toyoda] grilled [former President] Watanabe
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a9yJCGNHdGWs
He was right to be pissed, and he didn't even know how bad it would get.
#308
maybe you should go back to back to the first grade and learn how to read? I do understand what it means to be criminallly negligent...ie knowing about a problem for 10 years and doing nothing about it......and then having 19 deaths associated with it........you know sort of like GM and the saddle tanks....
#309
Punk Rocker
It does when they know there's an issue.. you're quite the scholar aren't you.
You want my real opinion.. If this was my family, I'd kill everyone of those corporate toyota mother fuckers. Here's an idea.. why don't you post your opinion on their memorial site to save the family the embarrasment of pursuing legal action. As far as I'm concerned your can take your entitled opinion & shove it up your ass.
You want my real opinion.. If this was my family, I'd kill everyone of those corporate toyota mother fuckers. Here's an idea.. why don't you post your opinion on their memorial site to save the family the embarrasment of pursuing legal action. As far as I'm concerned your can take your entitled opinion & shove it up your ass.
I agree that a full investigation needs to happen and if Toyota is guilty of negligence then so be it. But verbally attacking other members and threatening physical harm to unnamed people you don't even know is a bit over the top IMO...
Last edited by majin ssj eric; 02-03-2010 at 09:23 PM.
#310
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
I think you need to just back off of this issue for a while. You are clearly too emotionally involved (although I'm not sure why) and this comment is over the line.
I agree that a full investigation needs to happen and if Toyota is guilty of negligence then so be it. But verbally attacking other members and threatening physical harm to unnamed people you don't even know is a bit over the top IMO...
I agree that a full investigation needs to happen and if Toyota is guilty of negligence then so be it. But verbally attacking other members and threatening physical harm to unnamed people you don't even know is a bit over the top IMO...
#311
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Another hit.. sorry if it's a
http://news.cnet.com/Japan-tells-Toyota-to-test-Prius-brakes-for-defect/2100-11389_3-6250448.html
NAGOYA, Japan--The Japanese government said Wednesday that it had ordered Toyota to investigate a possible defect in its newest Prius hybrid model after receiving 14 reports of brake trouble, another blow for an automaker already embroiled in its biggest-ever recall.
The drivers have complained that the brakes on their Priuses have momentarily stopped working when driving at low speeds, especially on slippery surfaces, said Kenji Sato, a transport ministry official in charge of recall policy.
In one incident in July 2009 in Japan, a Prius collided with another vehicle at an intersection, hurting two people. Ten of the 14 complaints in Japan about the new Prius, which went on sale here last May, came in January. In the United States, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has logged 111 complaints about the brakes on the 2010 Prius. Many are from drivers who say the vehicle surged forward or temporarily lost braking after driving over a pothole or other uneven surface, and many say it is a recurring problem....
The drivers have complained that the brakes on their Priuses have momentarily stopped working when driving at low speeds, especially on slippery surfaces, said Kenji Sato, a transport ministry official in charge of recall policy.
In one incident in July 2009 in Japan, a Prius collided with another vehicle at an intersection, hurting two people. Ten of the 14 complaints in Japan about the new Prius, which went on sale here last May, came in January. In the United States, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has logged 111 complaints about the brakes on the 2010 Prius. Many are from drivers who say the vehicle surged forward or temporarily lost braking after driving over a pothole or other uneven surface, and many say it is a recurring problem....
#312
Three Wheelin'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
2 Page article... goes on to say
So, it appears Toyota has been "fixing" this issue by recalling floor mats for some time.
Federal regulators uncovered stark evidence that some Toyota cars accelerated unexpectedly more than two years ago. But neither the government's safety agency nor the automaker apparently recognized at the time how broad the dangers would turn out to be.
During a little-noticed 2007 inquiry, investigators found that at least three of every 100 Lexus ES 350 owners in Ohio reported experiencing unintended acceleration, an unacceptably high percentage given the potentially fatal consequences, industry experts said.
"Anything over 1 percent would raise a red flag, particularly for the manufacturer," said James C. Fell, who worked at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration for 30 years, and was chief of research for traffic safety programs.
The investigation opened formally in August 2007, one of the few times NHTSA commenced a full-fledged investigation into reports of Toyotas accelerating unexpectedly. More often, the inquiries have ended at the "preliminary evaluation" stage, meaning investigators reviewed the reports but didn't venture into engineering analysis. In this case, they acquired a Lexus ES 350 and attached instruments to it to monitor the operation of its accelerator and brake pedal. The investigators also exposed the accelerator system to magnetic fields.
Investigators also gathered accounts of drivers crashing in cars that sped out of control. Among those interviewed was a 70-year-old Illinois woman who was taken on a two-mile ride at 60 mph before she collided with another vehicle in an intersection.
But the investigation only partially identified the cause of the problem and, moreover, concluded it only affected a relatively small number of cars.....
During a little-noticed 2007 inquiry, investigators found that at least three of every 100 Lexus ES 350 owners in Ohio reported experiencing unintended acceleration, an unacceptably high percentage given the potentially fatal consequences, industry experts said.
"Anything over 1 percent would raise a red flag, particularly for the manufacturer," said James C. Fell, who worked at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration for 30 years, and was chief of research for traffic safety programs.
The investigation opened formally in August 2007, one of the few times NHTSA commenced a full-fledged investigation into reports of Toyotas accelerating unexpectedly. More often, the inquiries have ended at the "preliminary evaluation" stage, meaning investigators reviewed the reports but didn't venture into engineering analysis. In this case, they acquired a Lexus ES 350 and attached instruments to it to monitor the operation of its accelerator and brake pedal. The investigators also exposed the accelerator system to magnetic fields.
Investigators also gathered accounts of drivers crashing in cars that sped out of control. Among those interviewed was a 70-year-old Illinois woman who was taken on a two-mile ride at 60 mph before she collided with another vehicle in an intersection.
But the investigation only partially identified the cause of the problem and, moreover, concluded it only affected a relatively small number of cars.....
2 Page article... goes on to say
After the engineering review, Toyota and the regulators decided that the cause was that the accelerator had been stuck in the grooves of the all-weather floor mats some owners had put in. It was shown that the floor mats could trap the accelerator, so the company declared a recall of approximately 55,000 such floor mats and the case was closed.
#313
Banned
I think you need to just back off of this issue for a while. You are clearly too emotionally involved (although I'm not sure why) and this comment is over the line.
I agree that a full investigation needs to happen and if Toyota is guilty of negligence then so be it. But verbally attacking other members and threatening physical harm to unnamed people you don't even know is a bit over the top IMO...
I agree that a full investigation needs to happen and if Toyota is guilty of negligence then so be it. But verbally attacking other members and threatening physical harm to unnamed people you don't even know is a bit over the top IMO...
But then again, I may be bipolar.
#314
AZ Community Team
Toyota admits design flaw with Prius brakes
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35214248/ns/business-autos/
TOKYO - Toyota admitted design problems with the brakes in its prized Prius, adding to the catalog of woes for the world's No. 1 automaker still reeling from a massive U.S. recall involving faulty gas pedals. Toyota Motor Corp. spokeswoman Ririko Takeuchi said Thursday that Toyota discovered there were design problems with the antilock brake system and corrected them for Prius models sold since late January, including those being shipped overseas....
TOKYO - Toyota admitted design problems with the brakes in its prized Prius, adding to the catalog of woes for the world's No. 1 automaker still reeling from a massive U.S. recall involving faulty gas pedals. Toyota Motor Corp. spokeswoman Ririko Takeuchi said Thursday that Toyota discovered there were design problems with the antilock brake system and corrected them for Prius models sold since late January, including those being shipped overseas....
#315
AZ Community Team
I think you need to just back off of this issue for a while. You are clearly too emotionally involved (although I'm not sure why) and this comment is over the line.
I agree that a full investigation needs to happen and if Toyota is guilty of negligence then so be it. But verbally attacking other members and threatening physical harm to unnamed people you don't even know is a bit over the top IMO...
I agree that a full investigation needs to happen and if Toyota is guilty of negligence then so be it. But verbally attacking other members and threatening physical harm to unnamed people you don't even know is a bit over the top IMO...
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#316
Race Director
I think you need to just back off of this issue for a while. You are clearly too emotionally involved (although I'm not sure why) and this comment is over the line.
I agree that a full investigation needs to happen and if Toyota is guilty of negligence then so be it. But verbally attacking other members and threatening physical harm to unnamed people you don't even know is a bit over the top IMO...
I agree that a full investigation needs to happen and if Toyota is guilty of negligence then so be it. But verbally attacking other members and threatening physical harm to unnamed people you don't even know is a bit over the top IMO...
Oh no, not the Prius. What will the Hollywood tree huggers drive now?
#317
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
You sensitive types should stay out of Ramblings. I'll keep it cool in here.
Some seek justice through the law & are willing to except millions in payout.. but if someone terrified my family for minutes, then put them through a horrible crash where they all burned to death, you can bet those fuckers wont make out of their next business meeting.
Some seek justice through the law & are willing to except millions in payout.. but if someone terrified my family for minutes, then put them through a horrible crash where they all burned to death, you can bet those fuckers wont make out of their next business meeting.
#318
The sizzle in the Steak
Is US bullying Toyota on recall?
CHICAGO — The US transportation chief's public rebukes of Toyota's handling of a massive safety recall have raised eyebrows, given the US government's major stake in rivals General Motors and Chrysler.
"The optics are terrible because -- and this is what happens when a government owns a company - the two companies that are going to gain the most out of this are General Motors and Chrysler," said Peter Morici, a professor at the University of Maryland's business school.
"But their behavior is consistent with the general policy of the US government, whether it's dealing with coffeemakers or cars."
Safety officials understand that product design mistakes are inevitable and will work to help companies correct the problem and alert consumers. But they will not tolerate a slow or weak response, Morici told AFP.
Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood sat down with reporters Wednesday to lay out a timeline of how US officials had "pushed Toyota to take corrective actions" on its pedal problems since 2007.
The meeting came a day after he issued a statement accusing the Japanese automaker of dragging its feet on recalling vehicles in danger of sudden, unintended acceleration due to pedals which could get trapped under floor mats or become "sticky."
He also caused a brief panic when he told a congressional panel that owners of 5.3 million Toyota vehicles affected by the recalls should "stop driving" them.
LaHood later sought to tone down his remarks, telling reporters: "What I meant to say and what I thought I said was if you own one of these cars or if you're in doubt, take it to the dealer and they're going to fix it."
But he insisted that safety officials "will continue to hold Toyota's feet to the fire to make sure that they are doing everything they have promised to make their vehicles safe."
Legislators meanwhile signaled that they would expand their probe, demanding answers on why Toyota's Tacoma trucks -- which have a different pedal assembly than the 5.3 million vehicles recalled -- were also experiencing problems with sudden, unintended acceleration.
Toyota's top US official, Yoshimi Inaba, is set to testify at a congressional hearing Wednesday.
LaHood's strong initial comments could cause some "hysteria, but to some extent, we are such a litigious society, he has no choice but to say that because of the lawsuits that are lined up," said Rebecca Lindland, an analyst with IHS Global Insight.
"If one more person is killed, they can say that the government didn't act; Toyota did not act."
Weston Konishi, an expert on Japan at the Mansfield Foundation think-tank, said he doubted either Washington or Tokyo wanted the Toyota flap to escalate.
"Toyota is now a real stakeholder in the US economy -- think of its auto plants and jobs -- so trying to score points against it would be somewhat self-defeating," he added.
Konishi said he could only see Toyota becoming the governments' business if the company cut off contracts with US manufacturers due to lack of confidence in quality control after the problems with the US-made pedals.
David Champion, director of automobile testing for Consumer Reports magazine, said the reaction to the recall was overblown.
"When you look at the statistics we are putting an awful lot of effort on a very small risk," he said.
"There has been something like 2,000 complaints of unintended acceleration in some 20 million Toyota vehicles -- it's almost like trying to find a needle in a haystack."
Champion lamented as "unfortunate" that it took the death of an off-duty California state trooper and three members of his family to prompt Toyota to issue a mass recall in September to address the problem.
But he said a congressional investigation was an "overreaction" and noted that the "sticky" pedal problem that caused Toyota to halt production and sales of eight models last month was not linked to any accidents or injuries.
"I'm sure it's going to hurt Toyota in the short term over the next year or so," Champion said.
"But if their products are as good as they have been in the past, we're going to see that Toyota's going to bounce back as Ford has from the Firestone (tire recall) fiasco."
"The optics are terrible because -- and this is what happens when a government owns a company - the two companies that are going to gain the most out of this are General Motors and Chrysler," said Peter Morici, a professor at the University of Maryland's business school.
"But their behavior is consistent with the general policy of the US government, whether it's dealing with coffeemakers or cars."
Safety officials understand that product design mistakes are inevitable and will work to help companies correct the problem and alert consumers. But they will not tolerate a slow or weak response, Morici told AFP.
Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood sat down with reporters Wednesday to lay out a timeline of how US officials had "pushed Toyota to take corrective actions" on its pedal problems since 2007.
The meeting came a day after he issued a statement accusing the Japanese automaker of dragging its feet on recalling vehicles in danger of sudden, unintended acceleration due to pedals which could get trapped under floor mats or become "sticky."
He also caused a brief panic when he told a congressional panel that owners of 5.3 million Toyota vehicles affected by the recalls should "stop driving" them.
LaHood later sought to tone down his remarks, telling reporters: "What I meant to say and what I thought I said was if you own one of these cars or if you're in doubt, take it to the dealer and they're going to fix it."
But he insisted that safety officials "will continue to hold Toyota's feet to the fire to make sure that they are doing everything they have promised to make their vehicles safe."
Legislators meanwhile signaled that they would expand their probe, demanding answers on why Toyota's Tacoma trucks -- which have a different pedal assembly than the 5.3 million vehicles recalled -- were also experiencing problems with sudden, unintended acceleration.
Toyota's top US official, Yoshimi Inaba, is set to testify at a congressional hearing Wednesday.
LaHood's strong initial comments could cause some "hysteria, but to some extent, we are such a litigious society, he has no choice but to say that because of the lawsuits that are lined up," said Rebecca Lindland, an analyst with IHS Global Insight.
"If one more person is killed, they can say that the government didn't act; Toyota did not act."
Weston Konishi, an expert on Japan at the Mansfield Foundation think-tank, said he doubted either Washington or Tokyo wanted the Toyota flap to escalate.
"Toyota is now a real stakeholder in the US economy -- think of its auto plants and jobs -- so trying to score points against it would be somewhat self-defeating," he added.
Konishi said he could only see Toyota becoming the governments' business if the company cut off contracts with US manufacturers due to lack of confidence in quality control after the problems with the US-made pedals.
David Champion, director of automobile testing for Consumer Reports magazine, said the reaction to the recall was overblown.
"When you look at the statistics we are putting an awful lot of effort on a very small risk," he said.
"There has been something like 2,000 complaints of unintended acceleration in some 20 million Toyota vehicles -- it's almost like trying to find a needle in a haystack."
Champion lamented as "unfortunate" that it took the death of an off-duty California state trooper and three members of his family to prompt Toyota to issue a mass recall in September to address the problem.
But he said a congressional investigation was an "overreaction" and noted that the "sticky" pedal problem that caused Toyota to halt production and sales of eight models last month was not linked to any accidents or injuries.
"I'm sure it's going to hurt Toyota in the short term over the next year or so," Champion said.
"But if their products are as good as they have been in the past, we're going to see that Toyota's going to bounce back as Ford has from the Firestone (tire recall) fiasco."
Everyone wants to "gain" from this. What a mess.
#319
The sizzle in the Steak
maybe you should go back to back to the first grade and learn how to read? I do understand what it means to be criminallly negligent...ie knowing about a problem for 10 years and doing nothing about it......and then having 19 deaths associated with it........you know sort of like GM and the saddle tanks....
It depends on a wide variety of issues, along with what the failure rate per vehicle is. Deaths do not always equal recalls.
#320
The sizzle in the Steak
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35214248/ns/business-autos/
TOKYO - Toyota admitted design problems with the brakes in its prized Prius, adding to the catalog of woes for the world's No. 1 automaker still reeling from a massive U.S. recall involving faulty gas pedals. Toyota Motor Corp. spokeswoman Ririko Takeuchi said Thursday that Toyota discovered there were design problems with the antilock brake system and corrected them for Prius models sold since late January, including those being shipped overseas....
TOKYO - Toyota admitted design problems with the brakes in its prized Prius, adding to the catalog of woes for the world's No. 1 automaker still reeling from a massive U.S. recall involving faulty gas pedals. Toyota Motor Corp. spokeswoman Ririko Takeuchi said Thursday that Toyota discovered there were design problems with the antilock brake system and corrected them for Prius models sold since late January, including those being shipped overseas....