Toyota: Recall News
02-07-2010, 07:56 PM
#361
AZ Community Team
3. How does a steel reinforcement bar solve this problem?
02-08-2010, 10:54 AM
#362
The sizzle in the Steak
no it does not depend upon a variety of issues.
1. Did they know about the problem? Absolutely.
2. Could they have forseen someone's death as a result of this issue? Absolutely.
3. Did they take reasonable actions to correct the issue? Absolutely not. As they knew that the floormat fix was ineffective and did not do anything further to try and solve the issue until the media got involved.
They don't know if this latest fix will resolve the issue.
1. Did they know about the problem? Absolutely.
2. Could they have forseen someone's death as a result of this issue? Absolutely.
3. Did they take reasonable actions to correct the issue? Absolutely not. As they knew that the floormat fix was ineffective and did not do anything further to try and solve the issue until the media got involved.
They don't know if this latest fix will resolve the issue.
...and surely they knew that there was the potential for injury or death.
Every car maker has delt with that before....nothing new here....nothing wrong here.
The rest of what you said is again, speculation on your part.
02-08-2010, 10:55 AM
#363
The sizzle in the Steak
02-08-2010, 11:06 AM
#364
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Nobody disputes that Toyota knew about the problems.
...and surely they knew that there was the potential for injury or death.
Every car maker has delt with that before....nothing new here....nothing wrong here.
The rest of what you said is again, speculation on your part.
...and surely they knew that there was the potential for injury or death.
Every car maker has delt with that before....nothing new here....nothing wrong here.
The rest of what you said is again, speculation on your part.
02-08-2010, 11:36 AM
#365
The sizzle in the Steak
Be realistic.
Every car that is produced has the potential to fail from a manufacturer defect....and that failure has the potential to injure or kill.
The question is that when a failure occurs that injures or kills, is it an isolated incident?....or is it much more?
While the car company is trying to determine this...and sometimes along with the NHTSA, people may continue to get injured or killed.
It's just the way it is.....always has been....always will be.
Now if it is proved that Toyota and/or the NHTSA was negligent, and in some sort of conspiracy to hide information, that is when something is "wrong".
Every car that is produced has the potential to fail from a manufacturer defect....and that failure has the potential to injure or kill.
The question is that when a failure occurs that injures or kills, is it an isolated incident?....or is it much more?
While the car company is trying to determine this...and sometimes along with the NHTSA, people may continue to get injured or killed.
It's just the way it is.....always has been....always will be.
Now if it is proved that Toyota and/or the NHTSA was negligent, and in some sort of conspiracy to hide information, that is when something is "wrong".
02-08-2010, 12:10 PM
#366
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
You made it sound like they knew there was an issue that was inherently dangerous but it's okay because it's not the first time a company overlooked a deadly issue. Sporadic issues can occur not design related, like issues arising during assembly which is expected. A widespread issue that has been overlooked with deadly consequences on the other hand is not acceptable.
02-08-2010, 12:50 PM
#367
אני עומד עם ישראל
02-08-2010, 01:30 PM
#368
The sizzle in the Steak
You made it sound like they knew there was an issue that was inherently dangerous but it's okay because it's not the first time a company overlooked a deadly issue. Sporadic issues can occur not design related, like issues arising during assembly which is expected. A widespread issue that has been overlooked with deadly consequences on the other hand is not acceptable.
Where did I say that?It's pure speculation at this point to say Toyota and/or the NHTSA did anything "wrong".
Time will tell.
02-08-2010, 03:58 PM
#369
Keeping emos out of
Suing Toyota? Take a number and get in line
Suing Toyota? Take a number and get in line
Nick Carey
CHICAGO
Sun Feb 7, 2010 5:19pm EST
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Law firms across the United States are scrambling for a chance at the mother lode: a lawsuit against embattled, but cash-rich Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T).
It has been just over two weeks since the world's largest automaker announced an recall of 8 million vehicles because of a sticky gas pedal, but already at least 30 class-action lawsuits have been filed against the Japanese automaker.
"This is just the beginning," said Mark Bunim of New York-based mediation firm Case Closure LLC. "There's going to be one of these cases in every town."
"And why not? When you've got a lot of victims and a lot of money, it's only to be expected," he added.
San Diego law firm Steiner & Associates already has a website up and running (www.ustoyotalaw.com) that asks: "Have You or Loved One Been Injured or Killed in an Accident Due to A Defective Gas Pedal or Floor Mat? You may be entitled to substantial compensation!"
On its website, the national plaintiff lawyers trade group the American Association for Justice (www.justice.org) has a blurb that reads: "Coming soon... Toyota Sudden Acceleration Litigation Packet."
In essence, this will be the lawsuit version of "Plug and Play," where all plaintiff lawyers will need to do is enter names and data into a boilerplate lawsuit, lawyers say.
"This is going to a little cottage industry all of its own," said Matt Cairns, president-elect of DRI, the Voice of the Defense Bar, the largest U.S. civil defense attorney association.
The likely lawsuits that Toyota will face include everything from death and injury cases to those alleging the automaker concealed the truth.
The legal mess could take years to resolve and will ultimately come down to a business decision on Toyota's part on whether it is better to settle or to fight it out in trial in dozens of cases.
Cases related to injuries and deaths are the most obvious of the cases that will be brought against Toyota.
Up to 19 U.S. crash deaths over the past decade may be linked to accelerator-related problems at Toyota, congressional officials have said. There have also been an unknown number of injuries that could yet result in lawsuits.
"As this issue gets more attention, Toyota owners who had accidents in the past few years are going to wonder if those accidents were caused by unintended acceleration," said Frank Pitre, a plaintiff lawyer at Cotchett, Pitre & McCarthy, who in the past decade successfully fought cases against Bridgestone Corp (5108.T) unit Firestone and Ford Motor Co (F.N) over rollover incidents.
Class-action lawsuits are a predominantly U.S. phenomenon, involving a large group of people bringing a collective claim to court. Critics argue that while the individual plaintiffs only get small amounts of compensation in these cases, plaintiff lawyers can walk away with millions of dollars.
The possibilities for these kinds of cases are vast even if the risk of death and injury is low.
"There is a very minuscule percentage of vehicles actually experiencing unintended acceleration," said Jeffrey Thomen, a Hartford-based product liability partner at McCarter & English. "But that will not prevent people from filing lawsuits against Toyota."
The cases will range from those alleging that the recall has hurt the resale vehicle of Toyota models or that selling faulty vehicles was in breach of warranty.
Or, in the case of a lawsuit filed in Colorado on February 2 by Burg Simpson Eldredge Hersh & Jardine, alleging that Toyota knowingly hid its acceleration problem from the public.
"We believe Toyota knew about the problem but misled people and concealed the truth," said Mike Burg, the firm's founder. "There are many people out there who would never have bought Toyotas if they'd known about the unintended acceleration issue."
Auto insurers are also likely to pursue cases against Toyota over accidents that may prove to have been caused by faulty vehicles.
Experts predict a flurry of lawsuits over the hybrid Prius model, which may also become part of the recall.
"At some point, Toyota may have to decide to settle out of court," Pitre said. "It's far more expensive to go to court and would prolong the pain for Toyota and many families."
In the meantime, the Japanese automaker will need to beef up its outside counsel, lawyers say.
"If I were Toyota, if I hadn't already hired the best automotive defect defense lawyers in America, I'd be tracking them down right now," said DRI's Cairns.
Nick Carey
CHICAGO
Sun Feb 7, 2010 5:19pm EST
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Law firms across the United States are scrambling for a chance at the mother lode: a lawsuit against embattled, but cash-rich Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T).
It has been just over two weeks since the world's largest automaker announced an recall of 8 million vehicles because of a sticky gas pedal, but already at least 30 class-action lawsuits have been filed against the Japanese automaker.
"This is just the beginning," said Mark Bunim of New York-based mediation firm Case Closure LLC. "There's going to be one of these cases in every town."
"And why not? When you've got a lot of victims and a lot of money, it's only to be expected," he added.
San Diego law firm Steiner & Associates already has a website up and running (www.ustoyotalaw.com) that asks: "Have You or Loved One Been Injured or Killed in an Accident Due to A Defective Gas Pedal or Floor Mat? You may be entitled to substantial compensation!"
On its website, the national plaintiff lawyers trade group the American Association for Justice (www.justice.org) has a blurb that reads: "Coming soon... Toyota Sudden Acceleration Litigation Packet."
In essence, this will be the lawsuit version of "Plug and Play," where all plaintiff lawyers will need to do is enter names and data into a boilerplate lawsuit, lawyers say.
"This is going to a little cottage industry all of its own," said Matt Cairns, president-elect of DRI, the Voice of the Defense Bar, the largest U.S. civil defense attorney association.
The likely lawsuits that Toyota will face include everything from death and injury cases to those alleging the automaker concealed the truth.
The legal mess could take years to resolve and will ultimately come down to a business decision on Toyota's part on whether it is better to settle or to fight it out in trial in dozens of cases.
Cases related to injuries and deaths are the most obvious of the cases that will be brought against Toyota.
Up to 19 U.S. crash deaths over the past decade may be linked to accelerator-related problems at Toyota, congressional officials have said. There have also been an unknown number of injuries that could yet result in lawsuits.
"As this issue gets more attention, Toyota owners who had accidents in the past few years are going to wonder if those accidents were caused by unintended acceleration," said Frank Pitre, a plaintiff lawyer at Cotchett, Pitre & McCarthy, who in the past decade successfully fought cases against Bridgestone Corp (5108.T) unit Firestone and Ford Motor Co (F.N) over rollover incidents.
Class-action lawsuits are a predominantly U.S. phenomenon, involving a large group of people bringing a collective claim to court. Critics argue that while the individual plaintiffs only get small amounts of compensation in these cases, plaintiff lawyers can walk away with millions of dollars.
The possibilities for these kinds of cases are vast even if the risk of death and injury is low.
"There is a very minuscule percentage of vehicles actually experiencing unintended acceleration," said Jeffrey Thomen, a Hartford-based product liability partner at McCarter & English. "But that will not prevent people from filing lawsuits against Toyota."
The cases will range from those alleging that the recall has hurt the resale vehicle of Toyota models or that selling faulty vehicles was in breach of warranty.
Or, in the case of a lawsuit filed in Colorado on February 2 by Burg Simpson Eldredge Hersh & Jardine, alleging that Toyota knowingly hid its acceleration problem from the public.
"We believe Toyota knew about the problem but misled people and concealed the truth," said Mike Burg, the firm's founder. "There are many people out there who would never have bought Toyotas if they'd known about the unintended acceleration issue."
Auto insurers are also likely to pursue cases against Toyota over accidents that may prove to have been caused by faulty vehicles.
Experts predict a flurry of lawsuits over the hybrid Prius model, which may also become part of the recall.
"At some point, Toyota may have to decide to settle out of court," Pitre said. "It's far more expensive to go to court and would prolong the pain for Toyota and many families."
In the meantime, the Japanese automaker will need to beef up its outside counsel, lawyers say.
"If I were Toyota, if I hadn't already hired the best automotive defect defense lawyers in America, I'd be tracking them down right now," said DRI's Cairns.
02-08-2010, 04:06 PM
#370
One on the right for me
Class action filings are pretty cut throat. My old firm did wage and hour stuff and the race to the courthouse (with non-frivilous claims, of course) was insane.
02-08-2010, 04:11 PM
#371
Senior Moderator
Moved and merged...
02-08-2010, 04:33 PM
#372
Evil Mazda Driver
02-08-2010, 04:39 PM
#373
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
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Crocodile tears FTW!
Whether her claim is valid or not, even Kirsten Dunst could have done a better job acting..
Crocodile tears FTW!
Whether her claim is valid or not, even Kirsten Dunst could have done a better job acting..
02-08-2010, 04:49 PM
#374
The sizzle in the Steak
A year ago, and still in a neckbrace?!?!?
02-08-2010, 07:57 PM
#376
I feel the need...
Toyoda Hears Emulating Ford Necessity to Save Legacy
As Akio Toyoda struggles to salvage the decades-old bond with customers that made Toyota Motor Corp. the world’s largest automaker, he can borrow the playbook from a rival who learned how to obtain victory from defeat: Bill Ford.
Toyoda, 53, who became president eight months ago at the carmaker founded by his grandfather, has mostly shunned a public role as Toyota tries to stem the widening damage from government safety probes and a U.S. sales freeze. He waited two weeks after his latest U.S. recall before meeting reporters in Japan.
His approach contrasts with Bill Ford’s response to the crisis that damaged consumer trust a year into his chairmanship at Ford Motor Co. The great-grandson of Henry Ford cast himself in 2002 TV ads as Ford Motor worked to recover from rollovers of Explorer sport-utility vehicles linked to Firestone tires.
“The real parallel between Bill Ford and Akio Toyoda is the fact the family names are on the billboard,” said Maryann Keller, president of Maryann Keller & Associates in Stamford, Connecticut. “The difference is Bill was always a spokesman for the company, even before the Ford-Firestone crisis.....”
Toyoda, 53, who became president eight months ago at the carmaker founded by his grandfather, has mostly shunned a public role as Toyota tries to stem the widening damage from government safety probes and a U.S. sales freeze. He waited two weeks after his latest U.S. recall before meeting reporters in Japan.
His approach contrasts with Bill Ford’s response to the crisis that damaged consumer trust a year into his chairmanship at Ford Motor Co. The great-grandson of Henry Ford cast himself in 2002 TV ads as Ford Motor worked to recover from rollovers of Explorer sport-utility vehicles linked to Firestone tires.
“The real parallel between Bill Ford and Akio Toyoda is the fact the family names are on the billboard,” said Maryann Keller, president of Maryann Keller & Associates in Stamford, Connecticut. “The difference is Bill was always a spokesman for the company, even before the Ford-Firestone crisis.....”
02-08-2010, 11:29 PM
#377
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Toyota recalls may not solve problem, experts say
College Park, Maryland (CNN) -- In his hectic, noisy laboratory at the University of Maryland, Michael Pecht is wary when it comes to assessing whether Toyota's suggested repair of sticky gas pedals will have any real impact.
"They are in a bit of a quandary," said Pecht, a professor at Maryland's Clark School of Engineering. "If they announce that electronics is a problem, they are probably going to be in a lot of trouble, because nobody's going to drive the car. So at this stage, they don't want to announce there is any electronic problem."
But according to Pecht, who is an expert in failure analysis and has written a book on sudden acceleration in automobiles, complicated electronics -- not a mechanical issue with the gas pedal -- lie at the heart of Toyota's problems. And three other independent safety analysts contacted by CNN also conclude that neither floor mats nor stuck gas pedals are an overwhelming issue.
"From what people have told me about their sudden acceleration incidents, most of them have have got nothing to do with the sticking pedal at all," said Antony Anderson, an electronics consultant in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England.
Anderson said electronic throttle controls, which largely have replaced mechanical accelerators, can malfunction in ways he compared to an occasionally disobedient child. "We've all had that type of experience, and I'm afraid that is the sort of experience that can happen with any piece of electronics, with an electronic throttle," he said.
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And Sean Kane, who runs a company called Safety Research Strategies in Rehoboth, Massachusetts, said, "Toyota's explanations do not account for the share of unintended acceleration complaints that we have examined." Toyota officials dispute any assertion that the complicated array of electronics in its cars has an impact on the acceleration issues that have dominated headlines in the past weeks.
"After many years of exhaustive testing by us and by other organizations, we have found no evidence of an electronic problem in our electronic throttle control systems that could have led to unwanted acceleration," said John Hanson, Toyota's spokesman on quality-control issues. But experts like Anderson say the tests conducted by Toyota are not adequate.
"Those tests do not reproduce what actually happens in everyday life," Anderson said. "They are testing for certain conditions, for certain standards, but they test, for example, signals one at a time. They don't do a whole lot of signals altogether. Whereas in a car, you've got a great cacophony of electromagnetic interference going on all the time, and you really can't rely on testing of a single frequency at one time."
As for the U.S. government's testing of Toyota's problems, the man in charge of the Center For Auto Safety, Clarence Ditlow, said that a 2007 test on a Lexus -- a Toyota brand -- by the National Highway Safety and Traffic Administration to find possible electronic interference was amateurish. "They didn't do any real testing," he said. "For all I know, they just took a garage door opener, pointed it at the engine compartment and snapped it, and that's electronic interference to see whether or not anything happened. They closed the hood, and off they went. No problem."
Efforts to contact the NHTSA in snow-bound Washington were unsuccessful. But Toyota spokesman Hanson said, "It's very easy to look from outside and say, 'There is no problem with the pedal.' But this is the problem and we are fixing it."
Hanson said the company "invited" further testing and pointed out that NHTSA officials announced a "fresh look" into the whole area of electromagnetic testing, not simply limited to Toyota.
"They are in a bit of a quandary," said Pecht, a professor at Maryland's Clark School of Engineering. "If they announce that electronics is a problem, they are probably going to be in a lot of trouble, because nobody's going to drive the car. So at this stage, they don't want to announce there is any electronic problem."
But according to Pecht, who is an expert in failure analysis and has written a book on sudden acceleration in automobiles, complicated electronics -- not a mechanical issue with the gas pedal -- lie at the heart of Toyota's problems. And three other independent safety analysts contacted by CNN also conclude that neither floor mats nor stuck gas pedals are an overwhelming issue.
"From what people have told me about their sudden acceleration incidents, most of them have have got nothing to do with the sticking pedal at all," said Antony Anderson, an electronics consultant in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England.
Anderson said electronic throttle controls, which largely have replaced mechanical accelerators, can malfunction in ways he compared to an occasionally disobedient child. "We've all had that type of experience, and I'm afraid that is the sort of experience that can happen with any piece of electronics, with an electronic throttle," he said.
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And Sean Kane, who runs a company called Safety Research Strategies in Rehoboth, Massachusetts, said, "Toyota's explanations do not account for the share of unintended acceleration complaints that we have examined." Toyota officials dispute any assertion that the complicated array of electronics in its cars has an impact on the acceleration issues that have dominated headlines in the past weeks.
"After many years of exhaustive testing by us and by other organizations, we have found no evidence of an electronic problem in our electronic throttle control systems that could have led to unwanted acceleration," said John Hanson, Toyota's spokesman on quality-control issues. But experts like Anderson say the tests conducted by Toyota are not adequate.
"Those tests do not reproduce what actually happens in everyday life," Anderson said. "They are testing for certain conditions, for certain standards, but they test, for example, signals one at a time. They don't do a whole lot of signals altogether. Whereas in a car, you've got a great cacophony of electromagnetic interference going on all the time, and you really can't rely on testing of a single frequency at one time."
As for the U.S. government's testing of Toyota's problems, the man in charge of the Center For Auto Safety, Clarence Ditlow, said that a 2007 test on a Lexus -- a Toyota brand -- by the National Highway Safety and Traffic Administration to find possible electronic interference was amateurish. "They didn't do any real testing," he said. "For all I know, they just took a garage door opener, pointed it at the engine compartment and snapped it, and that's electronic interference to see whether or not anything happened. They closed the hood, and off they went. No problem."
Efforts to contact the NHTSA in snow-bound Washington were unsuccessful. But Toyota spokesman Hanson said, "It's very easy to look from outside and say, 'There is no problem with the pedal.' But this is the problem and we are fixing it."
Hanson said the company "invited" further testing and pointed out that NHTSA officials announced a "fresh look" into the whole area of electromagnetic testing, not simply limited to Toyota.
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02-09-2010, 12:23 AM
#378
Be realistic.
Every car that is produced has the potential to fail from a manufacturer defect....and that failure has the potential to injure or kill.
The question is that when a failure occurs that injures or kills, is it an isolated incident?....or is it much more?
While the car company is trying to determine this...and sometimes along with the NHTSA, people may continue to get injured or killed.
It's just the way it is.....always has been....always will be.
Now if it is proved that Toyota and/or the NHTSA was negligent, and in some sort of conspiracy to hide information, that is when something is "wrong".
Every car that is produced has the potential to fail from a manufacturer defect....and that failure has the potential to injure or kill.
The question is that when a failure occurs that injures or kills, is it an isolated incident?....or is it much more?
While the car company is trying to determine this...and sometimes along with the NHTSA, people may continue to get injured or killed.
It's just the way it is.....always has been....always will be.
Now if it is proved that Toyota and/or the NHTSA was negligent, and in some sort of conspiracy to hide information, that is when something is "wrong".
According to a new report, federal safety investigators allegedly agreed to exclude only the most severe cases of “runaway Toyotas” after the intervention of a former safety official, since hired to be a Washington, D.C. representative for Toyota.
According to a new investigation by ABC News, the 2004 federal investigation of computer-based throttle problems never reviewed any cases where the unintended sudden acceleration lasted more than one to two seconds – or any cases in which the driver attempted to brake. Because of these odd protocols, essentially any high-speed cases were completely ruled out from federal investigation.
Since the 2004 investigation, there have been five other similar investigations with the same limitations placed on federal probing. The most recent case involved a Lexus model with unintended and uncontrollable acceleration in 2007.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/feds-exc...y-toyotas.html
Looks like TWO parties were criminally neglegent here the NHTSA and Toyota......
02-09-2010, 10:30 AM
#379
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ That's a repost from a couple of pages ago.
Note the word "ALLEGEDLY".
How hard is it for you to understand speculation, allegedly, & opinion?
We are trying to deal with facts in this thread.
Sure you are entitled to your opinion, conspiracy theories, speculation, alleged claims....but you need to understand that they are not facts.
Note the word "ALLEGEDLY".
How hard is it for you to understand speculation, allegedly, & opinion?
We are trying to deal with facts in this thread.
Sure you are entitled to your opinion, conspiracy theories, speculation, alleged claims....but you need to understand that they are not facts.
02-09-2010, 05:04 PM
#380
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
forget him
02-09-2010, 09:27 PM
#381
^^ That's a repost from a couple of pages ago.
Note the word "ALLEGEDLY".
How hard is it for you to understand speculation, allegedly, & opinion?
We are trying to deal with facts in this thread.
Sure you are entitled to your opinion, conspiracy theories, speculation, alleged claims....but you need to understand that they are not facts.
Note the word "ALLEGEDLY".
How hard is it for you to understand speculation, allegedly, & opinion?
We are trying to deal with facts in this thread.
Sure you are entitled to your opinion, conspiracy theories, speculation, alleged claims....but you need to understand that they are not facts.
uhm it is not speculation when they are admitting that they excuded the data after former toyota employess intervened.
Hello? common sense? do you haz it? Oh, wait, no you don't because you are constantly saying in this thread that those 19 people's deaths are acceptable and to deal with it.
and the Prius getting recalled due to brake problems...........lollerstakes i mean after all it is acceptable and nothing is wrong, right?
Yeah toyota forced to recall 8+ millions of cars for what you call acceptable problems....yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiight
*wonders why all of a sudden that the NHTSB has started to distance themselves from Toyota.......*
02-09-2010, 11:41 PM
#382
My only car is a Bus
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Exactly. Everybody with an axe to grind throws in their "facts." You, however, have stated the facts.
^^ That's a repost from a couple of pages ago.
Note the word "ALLEGEDLY".
How hard is it for you to understand speculation, allegedly, & opinion?
We are trying to deal with facts in this thread.
Sure you are entitled to your opinion, conspiracy theories, speculation, alleged claims....but you need to understand that they are not facts.
Note the word "ALLEGEDLY".
How hard is it for you to understand speculation, allegedly, & opinion?
We are trying to deal with facts in this thread.
Sure you are entitled to your opinion, conspiracy theories, speculation, alleged claims....but you need to understand that they are not facts.
02-10-2010, 10:22 AM
#384
The sizzle in the Steak
uhm it is not speculation when they are admitting that they excuded the data after former toyota employess intervened.
Hello? common sense? do you haz it? Oh, wait, no you don't because you are constantly saying in this thread that those 19 people's deaths are acceptable and to deal with it.
and the Prius getting recalled due to brake problems...........lollerstakes i mean after all it is acceptable and nothing is wrong, right?
Yeah toyota forced to recall 8+ millions of cars for what you call acceptable problems....yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiight
*wonders why all of a sudden that the NHTSB has started to distance themselves from Toyota.......*
Hello? common sense? do you haz it? Oh, wait, no you don't because you are constantly saying in this thread that those 19 people's deaths are acceptable and to deal with it.
and the Prius getting recalled due to brake problems...........lollerstakes i mean after all it is acceptable and nothing is wrong, right?
Yeah toyota forced to recall 8+ millions of cars for what you call acceptable problems....yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiight
*wonders why all of a sudden that the NHTSB has started to distance themselves from Toyota.......*
Allegedly 
Try to read the thread with some comprehension. It will help you greatly.
02-11-2010, 11:43 AM
#385
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
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02-11-2010, 05:15 PM
#387
Senior Moderator
Anyone see this?
http://jalopnik.com/5469487/toyotas-...yline=true&s=i
Crazy
Interesting update at the bottom as well.
http://jalopnik.com/5469487/toyotas-...yline=true&s=i
Crazy
Interesting update at the bottom as well.
Last edited by West6MT; 02-11-2010 at 05:17 PM.
02-11-2010, 05:31 PM
#388
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
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02-11-2010, 05:59 PM
#389
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Here you have it.. Toyota's precision cut reinforced steel spacer..
http://jalopnik.com/5469835/toyota-gas-pedal-recall-fix-precision-machining-never-looked-so-precise/gallery/
http://jalopnik.com/5469835/toyota-gas-pedal-recall-fix-precision-machining-never-looked-so-precise/gallery/
i am absolutely loving this...
02-12-2010, 07:04 PM
#391
^^ That's a repost from a couple of pages ago.
Note the word "ALLEGEDLY".
How hard is it for you to understand speculation, allegedly, & opinion?
We are trying to deal with facts in this thread.
Sure you are entitled to your opinion, conspiracy theories, speculation, alleged claims....but you need to understand that they are not facts.
Note the word "ALLEGEDLY".
How hard is it for you to understand speculation, allegedly, & opinion?
We are trying to deal with facts in this thread.
Sure you are entitled to your opinion, conspiracy theories, speculation, alleged claims....but you need to understand that they are not facts.
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Former regulators hired by Toyota Motor Corp. helped end at least four U.S. investigations of unintended acceleration by company vehicles in the last decade, warding off possible recalls, court and government records show.
Christopher Tinto, vice president of regulatory affairs in Toyota’s Washington office, and Christopher Santucci, who works for Tinto, helped persuade the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to end probes including those of 2002-2003 Toyota Camrys and Solaras, court documents show. Both men joined Toyota directly from NHTSA, Tinto in 1994 and Santucci in 2003.
While all automakers have employees who handle NHTSA issues, Toyota may be alone among the major companies in employing former agency staffers to do so. Spokesmen for General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co., Chrysler Group LLC and Honda Motor Co. all say their companies have no ex-NHTSA people who deal with the agency on defects.
Possible links between Toyota and NHTSA may fuel mounting criticism of their handling of defects in Toyota and Lexus models tied to 19 deaths between 2004 and 2009. Three congressional committees have scheduled hearings on the recalls.
“Toyota bamboozled NHTSA or NHTSA was bamboozled by itself,” said Joan Claybrook, an auto safety advocate and former NHTSA administrator in the Jimmy Carter administration. “I think there is going to be a lot of heat on NHTSA over this.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...LJ5jtU8&pos=10
so once again, do some research into what really happened before you post man.....
02-12-2010, 07:40 PM
#392
Race Director
^ that still proves nothing other than everyone (including the CNN video posted above) can write a really good conspiracy theory. Sure, it looks bad for Toyota that one of their employees is an ex-NHTSA official and he may have watered down some investigation - but that still doesn't prove anything. Any business will try to get ahead by greasing the skids. Did Toyota do anything illegal - nothing conclusively has been shown to this point. And getting a quote from an NHTSA official from the Carter administration - really - that's the best they could do? 
02-13-2010, 10:04 AM
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02-14-2010, 07:20 AM
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While the conspiracy part is clearly ridiculous, this does point out the inherent danger of the government tampering with the free market. It becomes hard to judge the motives of anybody....
02-15-2010, 02:47 AM
#396
^ that still proves nothing other than everyone (including the CNN video posted above) can write a really good conspiracy theory. Sure, it looks bad for Toyota that one of their employees is an ex-NHTSA official and he may have watered down some investigation - but that still doesn't prove anything. Any business will try to get ahead by greasing the skids. Did Toyota do anything illegal - nothing conclusively has been shown to this point. And getting a quote from an NHTSA official from the Carter administration - really - that's the best they could do?
and there is no may have about it as it has been stated that the most extreme cases had been excluded........... that's willfull negelegence on the part of Toyota and the NHTSA. head in sand, might want to remove it
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02-15-2010, 08:28 AM
#398
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02-15-2010, 08:37 AM
#399
Race Director
lol are you guys so deperate to defend a company that has obviously shown that it cares nothing about the consumer and are willing to let people die over a known problem
and there is no may have about it as it has been stated that the most extreme cases had been excluded........... that's willfull negelegence on the part of Toyota and the NHTSA. head in sand, might want to remove it
and there is no may have about it as it has been stated that the most extreme cases had been excluded........... that's willfull negelegence on the part of Toyota and the NHTSA. head in sand, might want to remove it
02-15-2010, 11:37 AM
#400
The sizzle in the Steak
uhm allegidly just turned into reality
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Former regulators hired by Toyota Motor Corp. helped end at least four U.S. investigations of unintended acceleration by company vehicles in the last decade, warding off possible recalls, court and government records show.
Christopher Tinto, vice president of regulatory affairs in Toyota’s Washington office, and Christopher Santucci, who works for Tinto, helped persuade the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to end probes including those of 2002-2003 Toyota Camrys and Solaras, court documents show. Both men joined Toyota directly from NHTSA, Tinto in 1994 and Santucci in 2003.
While all automakers have employees who handle NHTSA issues, Toyota may be alone among the major companies in employing former agency staffers to do so. Spokesmen for General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co., Chrysler Group LLC and Honda Motor Co. all say their companies have no ex-NHTSA people who deal with the agency on defects.
Possible links between Toyota and NHTSA may fuel mounting criticism of their handling of defects in Toyota and Lexus models tied to 19 deaths between 2004 and 2009. Three congressional committees have scheduled hearings on the recalls.
“Toyota bamboozled NHTSA or NHTSA was bamboozled by itself,” said Joan Claybrook, an auto safety advocate and former NHTSA administrator in the Jimmy Carter administration. “I think there is going to be a lot of heat on NHTSA over this.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...LJ5jtU8&pos=10
so once again, do some research into what really happened before you post man.....
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Former regulators hired by Toyota Motor Corp. helped end at least four U.S. investigations of unintended acceleration by company vehicles in the last decade, warding off possible recalls, court and government records show.
Christopher Tinto, vice president of regulatory affairs in Toyota’s Washington office, and Christopher Santucci, who works for Tinto, helped persuade the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to end probes including those of 2002-2003 Toyota Camrys and Solaras, court documents show. Both men joined Toyota directly from NHTSA, Tinto in 1994 and Santucci in 2003.
While all automakers have employees who handle NHTSA issues, Toyota may be alone among the major companies in employing former agency staffers to do so. Spokesmen for General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co., Chrysler Group LLC and Honda Motor Co. all say their companies have no ex-NHTSA people who deal with the agency on defects.
Possible links between Toyota and NHTSA may fuel mounting criticism of their handling of defects in Toyota and Lexus models tied to 19 deaths between 2004 and 2009. Three congressional committees have scheduled hearings on the recalls.
“Toyota bamboozled NHTSA or NHTSA was bamboozled by itself,” said Joan Claybrook, an auto safety advocate and former NHTSA administrator in the Jimmy Carter administration. “I think there is going to be a lot of heat on NHTSA over this.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...LJ5jtU8&pos=10
so once again, do some research into what really happened before you post man.....
It proves nothing....it's still an allegation. What part of "possible" don't you understand.
Read your articles.
Show us how this proves criminal negligence. You won't be able to.
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