Tesla: Sales, Marketing, and Financial News
#1401
There are basically two options right now
1) Tesla
2) ID.4
I fully expect this to be a VW/Tesla race for a while with Ford joining in the near future.
To me, the dealer network for traditional automakers is a huge turn off. Good luck getting a Mach-E anywhere close to MSRP.
If legacy automakers can get plug and charge to work across EA and other networks, that will help achieve parity with Tesla but it's not there yet.
1) Tesla
2) ID.4
I fully expect this to be a VW/Tesla race for a while with Ford joining in the near future.
To me, the dealer network for traditional automakers is a huge turn off. Good luck getting a Mach-E anywhere close to MSRP.
If legacy automakers can get plug and charge to work across EA and other networks, that will help achieve parity with Tesla but it's not there yet.
Last edited by kurtatx; 12-29-2020 at 12:39 PM.
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#1 STUNNA (12-30-2020)
#1404
There are basically two options right now
1) Tesla
2) ID.4
I fully expect this to be a VW/Tesla race for a while with Ford joining in the near future.
To me, the dealer network for traditional automakers is a huge turn off. Good luck getting a Mach-E anywhere close to MSRP.
If legacy automakers can get plug and charge to work across EA and other networks, that will help achieve parity with Tesla but it's not there yet.
1) Tesla
2) ID.4
I fully expect this to be a VW/Tesla race for a while with Ford joining in the near future.
To me, the dealer network for traditional automakers is a huge turn off. Good luck getting a Mach-E anywhere close to MSRP.
If legacy automakers can get plug and charge to work across EA and other networks, that will help achieve parity with Tesla but it's not there yet.
https://www.macheforum.com/site/thre...rd-dealers.95/
But their test of sincerity is yet to come. The question is, how long will they support a strategy in which their existence as a legal middleman is questioned and their role as service provider is diminished to may be a tenth of now.
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#1 STUNNA (12-30-2020)
#1405
This is cool and all, I really mean that, but most of these were not available to every Tesla ever sold. So, if you wanted some of these things, you did in fact have to get a new car.
#1406
I think they're working on the bird's eye view. I recall Elon responding to a request for it on Twitter saying that it was something they could do. I'm sure Tesla would like to add Apple Music but I wonder if Apple won't allow it because Tesla doesn't have Carplay. Have you tried the web version of Apple Music, that should work with the built in Chromium based browser.
Also it seems that Tidal is coming soon as code for that has been discovered
Also it seems that Tidal is coming soon as code for that has been discovered
#1407
There you go
Also seems like all of the new features weren't released on time with the Holiday update. Elon hinted that there were a few bugs to work out so maybe these will come out next month after the bugs are fixed
Also seems like all of the new features weren't released on time with the Holiday update. Elon hinted that there were a few bugs to work out so maybe these will come out next month after the bugs are fixed
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Comfy (12-30-2020)
#1408
Sorry, but a proper bird's eye view will never be just an OTA update away.
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#1411
ARK investments have been really bullish on electric vehicles in general and Tesla in particular. Their views and projections are much closer to mine ...
.................. Though at small bases today, in our view most of the platforms mentioned above are entering exponential growth trajectories thanks to the falling costs and increasing productivity associated with technologically enabled innovation. For example, in response to the 28% cost decline in lithium-ion batteries for every cumulative doubling in units produced globally, prices will continue to fall, “turbocharging” electric vehicle (EV) sales. According to our research,[1]EV sales will scale 20-fold globally during the next five years, from an estimated 2 million and ~2.5% of the market this year to 40 million and ~45% in 2025. If we are right, the good news is that EVs will generate exponential growth in the auto market for the first time in 100 years. The bad news is that, just as rapidly, the more expensive gas-powered cars that dominate the market today will lose almost half of their sales base. Moreover, if transportation goes autonomous, as we believe it will, the auto market will continue to shrink as the capacity utilization per car increases. .............
Thats approximately half of the global automotive market in five years..... way to go.
https://ark-invest.com/articles/mark...=tw-2398137084
.................. Though at small bases today, in our view most of the platforms mentioned above are entering exponential growth trajectories thanks to the falling costs and increasing productivity associated with technologically enabled innovation. For example, in response to the 28% cost decline in lithium-ion batteries for every cumulative doubling in units produced globally, prices will continue to fall, “turbocharging” electric vehicle (EV) sales. According to our research,[1]EV sales will scale 20-fold globally during the next five years, from an estimated 2 million and ~2.5% of the market this year to 40 million and ~45% in 2025. If we are right, the good news is that EVs will generate exponential growth in the auto market for the first time in 100 years. The bad news is that, just as rapidly, the more expensive gas-powered cars that dominate the market today will lose almost half of their sales base. Moreover, if transportation goes autonomous, as we believe it will, the auto market will continue to shrink as the capacity utilization per car increases. .............
Thats approximately half of the global automotive market in five years..... way to go.
https://ark-invest.com/articles/mark...=tw-2398137084
#1412
The remaining 55% will be part of the declining market share at that point. Not to mention that the prices of used ICE vehicles will plummet.
So anyone planning to buy an internal combustion engine at that point will be either super rich or super dumb or a varying combination of the two.
So anyone planning to buy an internal combustion engine at that point will be either super rich or super dumb or a varying combination of the two.
#1413
There’s hope for BMW after all
Elon musk has said in an interview that he’s willing to license technology the other auto makers and he specifically mentions BMW. I assume some sort of talks are going on behind the scene between these automakers.
So Tesla is willing to help other auto makers who ridiculed them in the first place.
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon...ainable-energy
So Tesla is willing to help other auto makers who ridiculed them in the first place.
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon...ainable-energy
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#1415
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#1420
world shortest turning radius and most refined ride on 17 and 18 inch rims with wind/tire noise suppression in tall body.. try combine all those into one any other platform
now Yeh will come out from woodwork seeing Honda and Porsche in same competition. quality of construction and material you to have touch to feel it.
Road Test of the Year 2020: Honda e – Car Dealer Magazine
Compare the e with something like a Tesla Model 3 – a current internet favourite – and Mr Musk’s creation comes off as an anonymous, amorphous, Florida rental car
As a result, it doesn’t feel like your average supermini – nor your average small EV. There’s no torque steer, no unwieldy top-heavy cornering, and almost comedic levels of grip to go with the instant shove from the electric motor. All in all, it’s a bit of a hoot.
now Yeh will come out from woodwork seeing Honda and Porsche in same competition. quality of construction and material you to have touch to feel it.
Road Test of the Year 2020: Honda e – Car Dealer Magazine
Compare the e with something like a Tesla Model 3 – a current internet favourite – and Mr Musk’s creation comes off as an anonymous, amorphous, Florida rental car
As a result, it doesn’t feel like your average supermini – nor your average small EV. There’s no torque steer, no unwieldy top-heavy cornering, and almost comedic levels of grip to go with the instant shove from the electric motor. All in all, it’s a bit of a hoot.
#1421
I love that little Honda, but you're full of it
And I'm not an anti-media guy, but I can't imagine Car Dealer magazine is going to give a fair shake to a company who doesn't have car dealers.
#1422
Honda does not have many dealers in Europe to be influenced.
Model 3 still has plenty of road noise despite updates. There is nothing ground breaking in Model 3 interms of interior space, weight, turn radius, refinement in its class. It is just big battery on VW bug/Toyota Prius cross.
New Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus 2020 review | Auto Express
The lack of any combustion engine highlights another area where the Model 3 needs work. On the move, there’s plenty of road noise transferred into the cabin, and despite the addition of acoustic glass in the latest round of updates, it’s one of few aspects of the Model 3 where Tesla still has room for improvement.
2020 Honda e (hondanews.eu)
Honda engineers benchmarked the ride quality of the car against larger segment cars, utilising a four-wheel independent MacPherson strut design with forged aluminium components to ensure stability under hard acceleration, as well as a comfortable and refined ride for occupants.
Model 3 still has plenty of road noise despite updates. There is nothing ground breaking in Model 3 interms of interior space, weight, turn radius, refinement in its class. It is just big battery on VW bug/Toyota Prius cross.
New Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus 2020 review | Auto Express
The lack of any combustion engine highlights another area where the Model 3 needs work. On the move, there’s plenty of road noise transferred into the cabin, and despite the addition of acoustic glass in the latest round of updates, it’s one of few aspects of the Model 3 where Tesla still has room for improvement.
2020 Honda e (hondanews.eu)
Honda engineers benchmarked the ride quality of the car against larger segment cars, utilising a four-wheel independent MacPherson strut design with forged aluminium components to ensure stability under hard acceleration, as well as a comfortable and refined ride for occupants.
#1423
Honda does not have many dealers in Europe to be influenced.
Model 3 still has plenty of road noise despite updates. There is nothing ground breaking in Model 3 interms of interior space, weight, turn radius, refinement in its class. It is just big battery on VW bug/Toyota Prius cross.
Model 3 still has plenty of road noise despite updates. There is nothing ground breaking in Model 3 interms of interior space, weight, turn radius, refinement in its class. It is just big battery on VW bug/Toyota Prius cross.
Unless you find 0-60 in 3.7 seconds (in the Long Range model) ground breaking. Or over the air software updates. Or a nation-wide network of fast chargers. Or the dual motor battery preconditioning system.
Who gives a shit if it's heavy if it's fast? Acuras are lighter and are slow as shit. Also, because this needs to be said all the damn time with Honda: Tesla dual Motor AWD are actually RWD with front wheel assist, not the phony AWD system Acura offers.
Honda is so far behind in modern technology it's not even funny.
#1424
Acura NSX can do it in less than 3 seconds. Not only less than 3 seconds but pull 1.1G. and that is very small battery and it is very sustainable. Car weight class important otherwise people will compare 4 cylinder cars with V12.
software updates cannot improve ride quality or noise suppression.
software updates cannot improve ride quality or noise suppression.
#1425
I did a search for "turning radius reaction video" and got no related results then I searched for "0-60 reaction video" and got lots of results
NORMAL PEOPLE DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT TURNING RADIUS!
NORMAL PEOPLE DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT TURNING RADIUS!
#1427
Acura NSX can do it in less than 3 seconds. Not only less than 3 seconds but pull 1.1G. and that is very small battery and it is very sustainable. Car weight class important otherwise people will compare 4 cylinder cars with V12.
software updates cannot improve ride quality or noise suppression.
software updates cannot improve ride quality or noise suppression.
#1428
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#1430
I will say thou, I really dislike the turning radius on my 3G TL and apparently the M3 has a radius that is pretty similar.
That said it is pretty low on the list of priorities if I were to get a new car.
Wouldn't really be a deal breaker if it was the same or worse
That said it is pretty low on the list of priorities if I were to get a new car.
Wouldn't really be a deal breaker if it was the same or worse
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#1431
All I’m glad is that SSFTSX seems to be finally onto electric cars. The Honda is a cute EV for daily driving/ city purposes and hope will sell well too, but it’s definitely not even comparable to what Tesla offers.
Welcome to the party dude. The more the merrier.
Welcome to the party dude. The more the merrier.
#1432
Good.
Unfortunately he's only going to ignore the Honda's shortcomings and put it, along with some useless specification, on a pedestal in a failed attempt to prove that the Honda is superior.
So yeah, pretty much a Tesla fanboi
So yeah, pretty much a Tesla fanboi
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#1433
The concept is that we would want every auto maker to produce electric vehicles, and want all available platforms to promote it so that General awareness and EV adoption increases.
The reality is that even with all this variety of vehicles in the market, eventually people will realize that Tesla is superior technologically and will come back to Tesla and that ultimately increases Tesla’s sales.
The reality is that even with all this variety of vehicles in the market, eventually people will realize that Tesla is superior technologically and will come back to Tesla and that ultimately increases Tesla’s sales.
#1434
The concept is that we would want every auto maker to produce electric vehicles, and want all available platforms to promote it so that General awareness and EV adoption increases.
The reality is that even with all this variety of vehicles in the market, eventually people will realize that Tesla is superior technologically and will come back to Tesla and that ultimately increases Tesla’s sales.
The reality is that even with all this variety of vehicles in the market, eventually people will realize that Tesla is superior technologically and will come back to Tesla and that ultimately increases Tesla’s sales.
Tesla is not superior technologically, they are just ok using their customers and the road going public as guinea pigs for their immature technology unlike every other automaker. They beta test everything on the road in public unlike other automakers who do it in private on test tracks. I always feel like they are one step away from being sued into oblivion when something goes wrong.
If you think VAG, GM, Ford, Daimler, BMW, etc don't have the engineering capacity to make cars with the same tech as a Tesla you are really delusional.
#1436
All while bashing every other brand for a variety of unrelated shortcomings?
Tesla is not superior technologically, they are just ok using their customers and the road going public as guinea pigs for their immature technology unlike every other automaker. They beta test everything on the road in public unlike other automakers who do it in private on test tracks. I always feel like they are one step away from being sued into oblivion when something goes wrong.
If you think VAG, GM, Ford, Daimler, BMW, etc don't have the engineering capacity to make cars with the same tech as a Tesla you are really delusional.
Tesla is not superior technologically, they are just ok using their customers and the road going public as guinea pigs for their immature technology unlike every other automaker. They beta test everything on the road in public unlike other automakers who do it in private on test tracks. I always feel like they are one step away from being sued into oblivion when something goes wrong.
If you think VAG, GM, Ford, Daimler, BMW, etc don't have the engineering capacity to make cars with the same tech as a Tesla you are really delusional.
I would say, from a straight battery technology on the road today, Tesla remains superior. That's the technology I worry most about.
Tesla just needs to figure out manufacturing. It's getting better, but the initial quality is pretty bad. Tesla is good about addressing these issues quickly, but I shouldn't need a checklist at vehicle pickup.
I don't have many opinions about FSD. I think, ultimately, none of the Teslas on the road right now will ever truly "Full Self Drive" and the beta program is appalling.
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#1438
If they didn't test it on real roads and only on a private track y'all would say "yEaH bUt hOw dOeS iT wOrK iN tHe rEaL wOrLd, iT cAn wOrK pErFeCtLy oN a cLoSeD tRaCk bUt tHe rEaL wOrLd iS cRaZy"
And uuhhh everyone else making their own FSD is testing on public roads.
Disengagement Reports - California DMV
What an absolute shit post, that's why he's on my ignore list.
And uuhhh everyone else making their own FSD is testing on public roads.
The following permit holders reported autonomous testing in California (listed in alphabetical order):
- AImotive Inc
- Ambarella Corporation1
- Apex.AI1
- Apple Inc
- Aurora Innovation
- AutoX Technologies Inc
- Baidu USA LLLC
- BMW
- Boxbot Inc1
- Cruise LLC
- DiDi Research America LLC1
- Drive.ai, Inc.*
- Gatik AI Inc1
- Intel Corp1
- Lyft, Inc.
- Mercedes Benz
- Nissan
- Nullmax
- Nuro, Inc
- NVIDIA Corporation
- Phantom AI
- PlusAI Inc
- Pony.AI
- Qualcomm Technologies, Inc.
- Ridecell Inc.1
- SAIC Innovation Center, LLC
- SF Motors Inc. (Seres)
- Telenav, Inc.
- Tesla Motors
- ThorDrive Inc.1
- Toyota Research Institute
- Udelv
- Valeo North America, Inc.
- Waymo LLC (testing with a safety driver)
- Weride Corp
- Zoox, Inc.
What an absolute shit post, that's why he's on my ignore list.
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#1439
If they didn't test it on real roads and only on a private track y'all would say "yEaH bUt hOw dOeS iT wOrK iN tHe rEaL wOrLd, iT cAn wOrK pErFeCtLy oN a cLoSeD tRaCk bUt tHe rEaL wOrLd iS cRaZy"
And uuhhh everyone else making their own FSD is testing on public roads.
Disengagement Reports - California DMV
What an absolute shit post, that's why he's on my ignore list.
And uuhhh everyone else making their own FSD is testing on public roads.
Disengagement Reports - California DMV
What an absolute shit post, that's why he's on my ignore list.
I'll give you a hint, it's less than 2 but greater than zero.