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For the last year Tesla became established as a credible automaker (not skirting bankruptcy anymore).
The next two years will see electric vehicles taking on the mainstream by becoming the best sellers in their segment (likely Y and 3). The rest will be history. That’s a watershed for me.
Keep FUDing guys. The s*** is about to hit the ceiling for all the legacy automakers. BMW is already feeling the heat and trying hard to come up with something even remotely competitive (but failing badly).
The hard part is that Acura is also in Tesla’s crosshairs, but unfortunately Acura seems bliss with burying their head in sand with regards to EVs.
The next two years are going to be watershed years in automotive history. There will be a major realignment in pecking order for automakers in the near future.
Yeah...they're really feeling the heat and trying to come up with something competitive....
Oh wait
BMW Norway opened the order books for the controversially styled iX earlier this week and its launch turned out to be an unprecedented success. The fully electric SUV broke the all-time record for sales in a single day, and while no exact number was provided, it was high enough to allow the iX to earn the title for the most popular model launch in the Nordic country.
Mind you, we’re talking about actual preorders rather than reservations, meaning these will actually convert into sales.
The thing people don't get is a lot of Tesla owners buy Teslas because they're electric, not because they're Teslas. The land of Tesla fanboys has this really warped view of cars including several odd beliefs
Range is king (it's not. A Tesla Model 3 is going to go to and from work every day)
Teslas have the best range (They have the best estimated range, but legacy automakers tend to underestimate their range pretty significantly)
Teslas cars are "years ahead" (They have the best battery technology by maybe one or two years, but the rest of their cars are decades behind in quality)
What they don't talk about
Tesla does not care about the environment (see above comment about bitcoin)
Elon Musk is not a good face for a company (his views on anything not involving space are dangerous)
Tesla tells us about robot taxis while their lawyers admit with these current cars that won't be possible
Tesla has yet to be profitable without government credits
9/10 things Stunna posts is from something related to these Tesla fuck boys. Overall, many of the claims are only partially true but none of it withstands real scrutiny.
And finally, if you believe Tesla will dominate and you're literally not shitting your pants, you're a fucking idiot.
And finally, if you believe Tesla will dominate and you're literally not shitting your pants, you're a fucking idiot.
To be fair, Tesla may "dominate" the way Prius "dominates" the hybrid car market and the way "iPhone" dominates the smart phone market (without the profit margin for Tesla).
To be fair, Tesla may "dominate" the way Prius "dominates" the hybrid car market and the way "iPhone" dominates the smart phone market (without the profit margin for Tesla).
That's fine, but I'm more or less referring to the fantasy world Comfy lives in where Tesla is basically the only player in the car market. That would be horrible.
The thing people don't get is a lot of Tesla owners buy Teslas because they're electric, not because they're Teslas. The land of Tesla fanboys has this really warped view of cars including several odd beliefs
Range is king (it's not. A Tesla Model 3 is going to go to and from work every day)
Teslas have the best range (They have the best estimated range, but legacy automakers tend to underestimate their range pretty significantly)
Teslas cars are "years ahead" (They have the best battery technology by maybe one or two years, but the rest of their cars are decades behind in quality)
What they don't talk about
Tesla does not care about the environment (see above comment about bitcoin)
Elon Musk is not a good face for a company (his views on anything not involving space are dangerous)
Tesla tells us about robot taxis while their lawyers admit with these current cars that won't be possible
Tesla has yet to be profitable without government credits
9/10 things Stunna posts is from something related to these Tesla fuck boys. Overall, many of the claims are only partially true but none of it withstands real scrutiny.
And finally, if you believe Tesla will dominate and you're literally not shitting your pants, you're a fucking idiot.
It's just hilarious to think that other automakers don't have the depth or resources to make an electric car....but Tesla does???? Credit where credit is due, they started the EV revolution but to think that companies like BMW, Ford, GM, Daimler, VAG, etc don't have the engineering resources to make an EV is fucking laughable. Have you seen the stuff they put out and the quality that it has when it drops is in another league compared to Tesla.
I have only sympathy for those FUDsters. But I agree that we should have choices and competition, and I believe these newer companies such as Lucid , Rivian, etc will provide that as opposed to the legacy automakers who are keeping their heads in sand (and are also entangled in the sinking web of dealerships and ICE ecosystem). I do wish them success anyway, even though Acura hasn’t even proposed an EV yet.
Currently, I'm just entertained at the fact that the two biggest Tesla-Apologists in this thread don't even actually own Teslas. SMH.
I’m simply bullish on Tesla because their strategy and planning makes sense to me. If I was in the market for a car I would have certainly bought a Tesla, but I’m not right now, for better or worse. Common sense says to me that my existing cars which have been fully paid off are cheaper for me than any other new car. I’m not one of those who has to get their favorite cars immediately for personal gratification regardless of the situation.
But I totally understand what you’re saying.
Just wondering if everyone here discussing supercars actually own them?
This is a forum for discussion as I understand regardless of our ownership status.
I hope to get a Tesla in the next year or two anyways.
I’m glad that you are entertained (with due respect). Me too. . That’s why I visit this website often.
I’m simply bullish on Tesla because their strategy and planning makes sense to me. If I was in the market for a car I would have certainly bought a Tesla, but I’m not right now, for better or worse. Common sense says to me that my existing cars which have been fully paid off are cheaper for me than any other new car. I’m not one of those who has to get their favorite cars immediately for personal gratification regardless of the situation.
But I totally understand what you’re saying. Just wondering if everyone here discussing supercars actually own them?
This is a forum for discussion as I understand regardless of our ownership status.
I hope to get a Tesla in the next year or two anyways.
I’m glad that you are entertained (with due respect). Me too. . That’s why I visit this website often.
Those of us who discuss super cars aren't going into literally every thread saying how that super car is better than everything else on the road and how that company is going to dominate all without so much as a shred of evidence. I'm pretty sure you've gone into plenty of super car threads and proceeded to compare them to a Tesla.
I’m simply bullish on Tesla because their strategy and planning makes sense to me. If I was in the market for a car I would have certainly bought a Tesla, but I’m not right now, for better or worse. Common sense says to me that my existing cars which have been fully paid off are cheaper for me than any other new car. I’m not one of those who has to get their favorite cars immediately for personal gratification regardless of the situation.
But I totally understand what you’re saying.
Just wondering if everyone here discussing supercars actually own them?
This is a forum for discussion as I understand regardless of our ownership status.
I hope to get a Tesla in the next year or two anyways.
I’m glad that you are entertained (with due respect). Me too. . That’s why I visit this website often.
Congratulations on your implementation of the False Equivalency Fallacy. It is one thing to drool over super cars and debate their attributes as general car enthusiasts; it is quite another to invoke the holy name of Tesla at every opportunity as if it was the second coming of Christ in the form of a car and willfully overlook every single flaw those cars are known to have.
Herein lies the big problem, all those automakers had the same technology and resources available to them that Tesla did and yet they didn't execute in the past decade, that's where I give hats off to Tesla.
They started out taking a existing car chassis (Lotus Elise), off the shelf motor and controller, and created their own battery pack design from LiOn 18650 cells. They've matured that to designing, engineering and producing their own motors, controllers, chassis, and teams with Panasonic for their existing battery technology. They also created and operate their fairly large scale charging network across many countries In addition their amazing approach to telematic and informatic systems, complete with large displays, software, and now custom built ASIC chips is incredible. All the other automakers are shoulda/coulda/woulda, as it took them a long time to realize there's a viable market and get their act together.
Yeah there's definite quality problems (and still are from latest reverse engineering has shown), but gotta give them credit for when it's due. For a startup automaker they've done extremely well, will they continue to hold that position for EV's? Doubtful, as the other automakers have seen the light and they'll eventually get some competitive vehicles out there. I'm disappointed in Honda as I woulda though them with their engine/drivetrain heritage woulda had a "3" solution out by now instead of teaming with GM.
Originally Posted by kurtatx
...and the person who owns two is a moderate skeptic
Glad to see you look at Tesla with clear glasses and water (not Koolaid).
Congratulations on your implementation of the False Equivalency Fallacy. It is one thing to drool over super cars and debate their attributes as general car enthusiasts; it is quite another to invoke the holy name of Tesla at every opportunity as if it was the second coming of Christ in the form of a car and willfully overlook every single flaw those cars are known to have.
That’s fine if you wanna call it that way.
And isn’t it funny to see these every day family cars from Tesla beat those supercars (costing multiple times as Tesla) at their own game. .
That’s fine if you wanna call it that way.
And isn’t it funny to see these every day family cars from Tesla beat those supercars (costing multiple times as Tesla) at their own game. .
That's such a weird response...beating super cars "at their own game." Beating them at their own game, how? Keeping up in a straight line? Being innovative in some ways? Okay. In terms of overall performance, prestige, aero innovation, materials quality, build quality, owner experience, bespoke customization? No, it's not even close. Tesla isn't even on the map.
It's this kind of response that makes you look like a silly cult member. Get some objectivity and get back to me.
Or the bumper falls off because it's raining.
Or the glass falls off because reasons.
Or the software glitches out and causes the main screen to be inop.
Or the door handles are frozen and doesn't let you into the car anyway.
Or the bumper falls off because it's raining.
Or the glass falls off because reasons.
Or the software glitches out and causes the main screen to be inop.
Or the door handles are frozen and doesn't let you into the car anyway.
he is skipping FSD all together. The next update will be teleportation in your Tesla. Why waste time driving.. yourself or the car when you can just.... teleport there.
he is skipping FSD all together. The next update will be teleportation in your Tesla. Why waste time driving.. yourself or the car when you can just.... teleport there.
in beta of course. The teleporter may deposit you in a wall but InNoVaTiOn!!! amirite?
Small and frequent price adjustments are Tesla's speciality.
This week we noted another small change tof Tesla prices in the U.S., related specifically to the Tesla Model 3 model.
The two least expensive versions - Standard Range Plus and Long Range AWD - are now $500 more expensive, which also means that the entry-level Tesla starts at $39,190 (after including $1,200 DST).
The move is relatively small (1.3%). Only time will tell whether there will be more adjustments soon, as Tesla sometimes applies changes several times in a single week.
Part of the reason for that is that the company does not have dealers, which in the case of other brands would be responsible to negotiate the final prices, based on a usually stable manufacturer's MSRP. Dealer prices are also changed quite often.
Tesla prices:
ModelBase PriceDest. ChargeTax CreditEffective Price 2021 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus $37,990 +$1,200 N/A $39,190 2021 Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD $46,990 +$1,200 N/A $48,190 2021 Tesla Model 3 Perf. LR AWD 20" $55,990 +$1,200 N/A $57,190 2021 Tesla Model S Long Range (AWD) 19" $79,990 +$1,200 N/A $81,190 2021 Tesla Model S Plaid 19" $119,990 +$1,200 N/A $121,190 2021 Tesla Model S Plaid+ 19" $149,990 +$1,200 N/A $151,190 2021 Tesla Model X Long Range (AWD) 20" $89,990 +$1,200 N/A $91,190 2021 Tesla Model X Plaid 20" $119,990 +$1,200 N/A $121,190 2021 Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD 19" $49,990 +$1,200 N/A $51,190 2021 Tesla Model Y Perf. LR AWD 21" $60,990 +$1,200 N/A $62,190
This week, Tesla slightly adjusted also the price of MIC Model Y in China. It increased by 8,000 RMB ($1,226). Reportedly, the price increased to reflect increased production cost.
I hope they don’t raise the price too much before I decide to purchase.
Those manufacturer markups are going to get you before you know it. Tesla getting left in the dust by companies that can actually control the cost of their products for years on end.
Tesla, Lucid, Rivian, & Other EV Makers Scored A Win In Connecticut
By Johnna CriderPublished
13 hours agoI recently wrote about a Connecticut state bill, SB-127, that would enable EV makers to sell directly to their customers and bypass the outdated dealership model, as is done in many other states. The initial committee vote took place earlier today and the good news is that SB-127 passed the committee vote, but there is still a long road ahead
The electric car company said Edmunds had to drive them until they stopped. Well…
Edmunds achieved more than making huge waves in the media when its real-world EV range tests revealed no Tesla could match its EPA range. It got Tesla to contact it, something that does not happen quite often since the company killed its PR department. Tesla disputed the results, arguing that the cars should be run until they were not able to move anymore. Edmunds accepted the challenge and made new tests on a track. Tesla will hate the results.
The automaker’s main argument was that there is a battery buffer that should have been considered to achieve the EPA range. Since that buffer is also present in other vehicles, Edmunds also took them to the test track in the Mohave desert. All cars were run by all test drivers in the same temperatures.
The test consisted of driving all the cars at 65 mph (105 km/h) in a 7.5-mile-long closed-course oval. When these cars reached zero charge, Edmunds started counting how much further they could run with the battery buffer at the set speed. When they were no longer able to run at 65 mph, they were driven until they could no longer move.
The Tesla vehicles run 10.3 miles to 22 miles more after reaching zero charge in the dashboard under 65 miles. They were the three EVs to have more range left after that point. When the EVs could not maintain that speed anymore, the Model Y Performance lost its place in the ranking to the ID.4. While the VW ran 12.9 mi, the Model Y ran 12.6 mi.
Although those are interesting numbers, Edmunds had to add them to what the vehicles had achieved on the track. Only one of the Teslas tested at the Mohave desert could reach their EPA ranges. It was the Model 3 Long Range, which achieved 343 mi. Its official EPA range is 353 mi, which will certainly sound strange. Technically speaking, it did not reach its official range. Edmunds must have considered a percentual difference as acceptable to say it did.
The others wouldn’t get there even if Edmunds counted the buffer and was indulgent with their numbers. Doing that, the Model Y Performance would reach 263 mi of range against an EPA range of 291 mi. The Model 3 Standard Range Plus would achieve 232 mi instead of the 250 its EPA range promises. Although the Model 3 Performance was not at the test track, it would get 256 mi, a lot less compared to its 310-mi EPA number. To make matters even more complicated, Edmunds took the Model Y Performance and the Model 3 Long Range to its real-world EV range test loop, and the cars run even less than they did on track after reaching zero charge and driving to a halt. It should be right the opposite.
[img]According to what Tesla engineers told Edmunds, their cars have no defined buffer, which is a factor to consider in this case. We have already mentioned that Tesla works with a virtual battery buffer on April 13, 2020. The other ones would be ambient temperature, driving style, and instantaneous conditions. The only part that makes sense is the variable buffer.
As Alistair Weaver stresses in the video, what this shows is that you can’t just rely on government figures. We have gone even further than Edmunds’ editor-in-chief when we recommended that EVs have specific testing rules that take them into full consideration and are able to determine how energy-efficient they really are.
The test still wasn’t fair, and the article they made to summarize the retest was still fucked up.
He supposedly got them to come in his podcast and be interviewed, it should be released later today or tomorrow
So, let me get this straight. In order for Tesla to reach its much-ballyhooed EPA range, it needs to drain its safety buffer below 0 miles to achieve it (and sometimes, not even)? Meanwhile, almost all the other cars easily meet or beat their EPA range without needing to resort to such trickery? Why was this test unfair again?
Are the Teslarati triggered because the SR+ lost out to a friggin Leaf?
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03-20-2021, 09:45 PM
. That’s why I visit this website often.
Glad to see you look at Tesla with clear glasses and water (not Koolaid). 
... he has done that too many times already.
Only one of the Teslas tested at the Mohave desert could reach their EPA ranges. It was the Model 3 Long Range, which achieved 343 mi. Its official EPA range is 353 mi, which will certainly sound strange. Technically speaking, it did not reach its official range. Edmunds must have considered a percentual difference as acceptable to say it did.
To make matters even more complicated, Edmunds took the Model Y Performance and the Model 3 Long Range to its real-world EV range test loop, and the cars run even less than they did on track after reaching zero charge and driving to a halt. It should be right the opposite.
