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My mistake, thanks for clearing that up. I was thinking of KERS and how it captures heat, unless I'm mistaken on that too. Yeah, being an EV it doesn't work in the same manner.
The difference in the amount of energy used via throttle input is probably negligible when "driving hard". I know someone who managed just fine on their stock brakes, then they let an experienced instructor drive their car for a session. Pads were toast after just one go.
Kinda makes the other point moot, but when I said driving harder, I meant being harder on your brakes, which in turn would cause more heat... again, moot.
Maybe things are different now, but I've never seen any Tesla Superchargers in the paddock at Thunderhill or Laguna, but I have seen gas pumps. Even then, I have had fuel issues. Doubt my car has enough grip to cause fuel starvation, but I ended a track session prematurely before when the low fuel light came on.
This specific use case is only a concern of maybe 1-5% of all Model 3 Performance owners, but range anxiety is still real.
KERS isn't heat either, it's also momentum. Stands for Kinetic Energy Recovery System. Rather than charging a battery though, it spins up a flywheel that can be coupled with the engine for an extra boost of power.
I don't think you'll see many EV's on the track but it's probably coming sooner than you think given they just announced the track mode. Guessing Laguna will have superchargers before you know it.
@greentheonly is a reliable Tesla hacker. They somehow get access to early build of the Tesla software, dissect and see what new unannounced features are hidden in the code.
I'm assuming this will require the new Maxwell battery tech that has 300-380wh/kg battery (currently around 260wh/kg). If the weight/size of the new 100kwh battery is the same as the current 75kwh battery then you'd be getting about 430mi with the new model 3 ((322mi/75kwh)*100kwh). If they were able to add the Octavalve and heat pump from the Model Y then the range could jump up to around 470mi (Model Y got ~10% range increase due to the heat pump)!
@greentheonly is a reliable Tesla hacker. They somehow get access to early build of the Tesla software, dissect and see what new unannounced features are hidden in the code.
I'm assuming this will require the new Maxwell battery tech that has 300-380wh/kg battery (currently around 260wh/kg). If the weight/size of the new 100kwh battery is the same as the current 75kwh battery then you'd be getting about 430mi with the new model 3 ((322mi/75kwh)*100kwh). If they were able to add the Octavalve and heat pump from the Model Y then the range could jump up to around 470mi (Model Y got ~10% range increase due to the heat pump)!
what ..... is this for an existing model 3 or for a future planned product?
If it’s existing car, then I’d say Tesla is falsely advertising it as 75kwh and the spectacular efficiency may also be false.
If it’s truely a future production plan, then I assume a similar work will happen to Y as well and in that case it would be prudent for me to cancel my existing Y reservation.
hmmmm... decisions.....!!!!!
No these are test vehicles not ones they are selling to customers. Just more evidence that they’ll eventually release a 100kwh version of the 3, or at least they’re researching it
How come the exclusive research vehicles end up in the hands of a hacker who posts it publicly? Or does Tesla knowingly hands it to this guy to purposefully "leak" information. I thought automakers would like to keep their secret research projects to themselves until they are ready to be produced.
Half the problem with Tesla is that they iterate so fast that you are always in fear of missing out on the next best thing. Their lease program blows as well so it's not like you can cover yourself with that either.
How come the exclusive research vehicles end up in the hands of a hacker who posts it publicly? Or does Tesla knowingly hands it to this guy to purposefully "leak" information. I thought automakers would like to keep their secret research projects to themselves until they are ready to be produced.
IDK exactly how they do what they do. But they’re reliable.
Apple often has hints to new products hidden within their code. Apple tag has been hinted for the past year or two but still hasn’t been announced
Half the problem with Tesla is that they iterate so fast that you are always in fear of missing out on the next best thing. Their lease program blows as well so it's not like you can cover yourself with that either.
the pace of innovation is very fast at Tesla and it’s not going to slow down soon.
Theres always something better around the corner. Luckily the resale value is high
the pace of innovation is very fast at Tesla and it’s not going to slow down soon.
Theres always something better around the corner. Luckily the resale value is high
Tesla has highest number of 2019 and 2020 used Teslas for sale near me. Acura 2019-2020 used are mostly demo vehicles not consumer returned.
They are so many now that you can see new Acura RLX in camera at dealer.
how it will maintain ride quality and tire life with such high pressure.
the point i am making. is that most of one or two year old used Acuras are dealer demo vehicles while much greater quantity of Teslas that are barely used sold by consumers.
This car was purchased at $98K. and now already 25% off in asking price. There is nothing special about Tesla resale values. https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto...139460682.html
2019 Tesla Model S Long Range AWD - $74988 (san rafael)
How so? What features do the newest model 3's have that the oldest model 3's don't.
I can think of one, and it was a required by law to add last year
USB C ports and wireless charging for starters. The 100kwh battery pack and the heat pump will soon get added. Track mode was added to performance models.
USB C ports and wireless charging for starters. The 100kwh battery pack and the heat pump will soon get added. Track mode was added to performance models.
From the list you quoted the only things increased in the new model are efficiency, tire pressure and two white stickers.
Rest all are either reduced or same from the earlier model 3
Added / Increased
Efficiency increased from 116 MPGe to 133 MPGe
Source - Wikipedia. Detailed specifications comparisons at TinkerTry here.
Tire Pressure
Raised 42 psi to 45 psi. Source - B pillar sticker behind front driver-side door.
Two white stickers
Added to the back of the rear seats visible from the trunk, easily peeled off. Not sure if this was just an oversight/human error, or if everybody has these. I only have one data point, and this picture gallery from somebody on eBay that apparently has the same stickers.
But I see that every software issue can be retroactively added by Tesla and therefore will not be obsolete anytime soon. It’s only the hardware and final battery capacity that will stay the same with what you got.
USB C ports and wireless charging for starters. The 100kwh battery pack and the heat pump will soon get added. Track mode was added to performance models.
track mode is for all Performance models not just new models. 100kwh battery and heat pump haven't been announced yet and who knows what they'll do with the 75/60kwh battery, demand has been high I'm sure an owner will have no issue selling their 3 for a good price.
Ryan McCaffrey has one of the first P3Ds they made and he got the new track mode
the point i am making. is that most of one or two year old used Acuras are dealer demo vehicles while much greater quantity of Teslas that are barely used sold by consumers.
This car was purchased at $98K. and now already 25% off in asking price. There is nothing special about Tesla resale values. https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto...139460682.html
2019 Tesla Model S Long Range AWD - $74988 (san rafael)
A brand new Model S Long Range AWD with 29 range sells for $2 more right now. If that person can sell a used vehicle for $2 less than the current MSRP, I'd say that's one hell of a resale value.
I also find it funny that you always complain that Tesla’s are too expensive and no one can afford them, then when they lower their prices you complain that the resale value dropped too much because Tesla lowered their MSRP
track mode is for all Performance models not just new models. 100kwh battery and heat pump haven't been announced yet and who knows what they'll do with the 75/60kwh battery, demand has been high I'm sure an owner will have no issue selling their 3 for a good price.
Ryan McCaffrey has one of the first P3Ds they made and he got the new track mode
I'd argue that the lack of USB C doesn't make a vehicle "obsolete"
Also Tesla's historically have a great resale value, if people thought they were obsolete then they wouldn't
Kinda hard to have best in class resale value and be considered by most to be obsolete at the same time
Sorry, obsolete was the wrong word to use. It just seems like Tesla is iterating so fast that it's hard to keep up. Even month to month changes are pretty prevalent.
There are other things that change rather often in regards to how they build them and a lot of the guts under the panels.
that car has full self driving package along with Paint, rim, color as option. worth over $15K. the point i am making people invest so much in Tesla but still selling after a year. and there many example it like.
Sorry, obsolete was the wrong word to use. It just seems like Tesla is iterating so fast that it's hard to keep up. Even month to month changes are pretty prevalent.
There are other things that change rather often in regards to how they build them and a lot of the guts under the panels.
Doesn't Tesla guarantee a resale value?
Sure that just means that when you buy your Tesla it’s the best they can make at that time. They’re always getting better and becoming more competitive. I’ve not heard anything about them guaranteeing a resale value, how would they do that?
Sorry, obsolete was the wrong word to use. It just seems like Tesla is iterating so fast that it's hard to keep up. Even month to month changes are pretty prevalent.
There are other things that change rather often in regards to how they build them and a lot of the guts under the panels.
Doesn't Tesla guarantee a resale value?
Exactly what I was thinking. I do not particularly care about the minor changes such as USB ports, phone charging, etc, since it is almost like buying a computer, if you wait longer, you'll get a better performing one; but you can't wait forever and not buy it at all......kind of defeats the purpose.
But the significant upgrade in battery capacity and range (100kwh - if true) would be a game changer. I would rather have a car with an easy 400+ mile range than one with a stretched 300+ mile range even though neither would make a difference in daily driving, but could be a game changer during those infrequent long trips. Issue is, if the upgrade cost is within $5k, I'll bite, anything more than that I'll pass. I have a feeling that it's gonna be more and they'll likely offer it only for performance models initially at least.
that car has full self driving package along with Paint, rim, color as option. worth over $15K. the point i am making people invest so much in Tesla but still selling after a year. and there many example it like.
and new msrp is $10k less than a year ago, they has to compete against that and 10% less range. Options don’t usually hold much value in the used market.
Take away the 10% msrp price reduction they has to compete against and the depreciation is 15% which is pretty good
If you bought their identical spec Model S today it would cost $86.5k, that’s including FSD costing $1k more. How the fuck do you think they could sell a used car with 30 miles less range for the same price? Which seems to be what you’re implying
this another car that cost $100K to the owner once you include tint, 22inch rims and clear bra but now want to get rid of it. There are simply too many late model Teslas that consumers want to sell it.
Tesla is now in same category as Germans and Genesis as far as resale value and availability used. https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto...140269598.html
2018 BLACK MODEL X 75D Lease take over - $1316
Car currently has 16000 miles, so you have 14000 miles to go until December 2021. or buy it out at end of lease for $56562 + doc and fees.
Sure that just means that when you buy your Tesla it’s the best they can make at that time. They’re always getting better and becoming more competitive. I’ve not heard anything about them guaranteeing a resale value, how would they do that?
Looks like they used to do it but stopped back in 2016.
i guess every one waiting for Model Y. https://electrek.co/2020/06/17/tesla...registrations/ Tesla deliveries have fallen ~37% in California and ~30% in the US based on registration data, but it’s not surprising amid the pandemic and actually not even that bad of a drop.
SSFTSX says now that Chinese can afford a Tesla because they lowered the cost, something he said they cannot do
Originally Posted by SSFTSX
Tesla Model 3 price is near $40K now ...
it is no longer a $50K car.
The 2nd best selling EV costs just 160,000 Yuan, the Model 3 costs over 110,000 Yuan more at 272,000 but still Tesla sells 3x more than their closest competition.
It appears that the Tesla Model 3 is headed for new heights in China, with the all-electric sedan selling approximately 14,954 units in June, a 35% increase compared to the previous month. This is quite impressive, considering that Made in China Model 3 sales already saw a 150% spike back in May.
As shared recently by web media researcher @DKurac, China’s overall EV sales for June 2020 stood at around 67,000 vehicles. Among this number, and thanks to the rising sales of the Model 3 produced in Gigafactory Shanghai, Tesla ended the month commanding 23% of China’s overall electric vehicle sales.
ramp of Tesla’s locally produced Model 3 has gotten quite steady over the past couple of months in China. Since dropping in April, Tesla Model 3 sales recovered as government incentives rolled out in May, and as the company launched more variants of the vehicle like the Long Range RWD. Considering the company’s sales numbers in June, it appears that the Model 3 is starting to hit its stride among China’s car buyers.
Ultimately, the Tesla Model 3’s June sales bode well for the all-electric sedan and its place among China’s roster of best-selling electric vehicles. After all, the Tesla Model 3 was dubbed as China’s best-selling EV in May, and that was a month when the American electric car maker only sold 11,095 units of the all-electric sedan.
While Model 3 sales are already seeing a relatively steady rise in China, Tesla’s overall presence in the country is poised to see a massive ramp within the coming year. This is due to the current expansion of Gigafactory Shanghai, which would allow the electric car maker to start producing the Model Y — a rather reasonably priced crossover — for the Chinese market. Considering that crossovers are prolific in China, there is a good chance that the Model Y could attract far more buyers than the Model 3.
The current pace of Gigafactory Shanghai’s expansion suggests that the Model Y factory’s shell is now being outfitted with production equipment. If Tesla and its construction partners maintain their current pace, it would not be surprising if Model Y trial production runs could begin later this year. This is quite in line with the pace of the Made in China Model 3’s rollout, which saw trial production units rolling off the line in early Q4 2019 and customer deliveries starting in Q1 2020.
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