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Are any of the vehicles missing the one redundant part running FSD Beta?
According to your article no
Internally, Tesla employees said that adding “level 3” functionality, which would allow a driver to use their Tesla hands-free without steering in normal driving scenarios, would need the dual electronic control unit system and therefore require a retrofit at a service visit.
Of the almost one million vehicles Tesla made last year a small percentage of them is missing a redundant part required for FSD but those vehicles aren't running FSD, if they wanted to run FSD then it would require a service visit to add the part. I would imagine they only did this on vehicles that didn't order FSD with their initial purchase and anyone that paid the extra upfront cost for FSD got a vehicle with both redundant parts.
Are any of the vehicles missing the one redundant part running FSD Beta?
According to your article no
Of the almost one million vehicles Tesla made last year a small percentage of them is missing a redundant part required for FSD but those vehicles aren't running FSD, if they wanted to run FSD then it would require a service visit to add the part. I would imagine they only did this on vehicles that didn't order FSD with their initial purchase and anyone that paid the extra upfront cost for FSD got a vehicle with both redundant parts.
So owners will have to be inconvenienced and go into a Tesla facility to have the missing components installed (assuming chip shortage doesn't continue to affect supply of components) when FSD is ready this year?
Yes. What was your solution, delaying the delivery of their car for months just to be sure they could use an expensive feature the buyer didn’t pay for?
Yes. What was your solution, delaying the delivery of their car for months just to be sure they could use an expensive feature the buyer didn’t pay for?
I thought one of the things that made Tesla so great vs legacy auto companies was that they can easily enable features with a simple over-the-air software update. No more having to visit a dealership, sit in the waiting room, have a coffee (and possibly pay the fees) to... have the missing parts installed.
Let me refresh your memory...
Originally Posted by Comfy
Potential Taycan owners: rejoice. You guys have to visit a dealership, sit in the waiting room, have a coffee (and possibly pay the fees) to “install the OTA updates” .
Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
. . . Or will you continue to ignore the added value that Teslas gain with every new software update?
Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
. . . to use over the air updates to improve the vehicles performance, range, safety, and features over time. Everyone else realizes this is the right way to do it so now they're scrambling to catch up.
Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
Are you willing to admit that OTA updates in a car is a great idea? That Tesla has pushed the entire automotive industry forward in this regard? That OTA updates is one of the best parts of owning a Tesla, it's a feature that ICE vehicles can't compete with, and it's a compelling reason to choose a Tesla over a similarly priced ICE vehicle?
Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
If OTA updates don't improve the quality and drive of the vehicle then people won't buy those cars, they'll buy cars like Teslas that get better over time
Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
If I bought a Honda in 2019 will I be able to get an over the air software update that enables full self driving or will I have to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a brand new car when it eventually becomes available? Any Tesla built in the last few years can download an update to enable that capability.
So owners will have to be inconvenienced and go into a Tesla facility to have the missing components installed (assuming chip shortage doesn't continue to affect supply of components) when FSD is ready this year?
Elon was confident that FSD would be done in 2016.
Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
Yes. What was your solution, delaying the delivery of their car for months just to be sure they could use an expensive feature the buyer didn’t pay for?
They said that the control module was not for the L2 driving assist functions so it's not tied to FSD. If it's unimportant then why was it there to begin with?
What was your solution again besides shutting down the production line and thereby directly inconveniencing the customer getting their car?
how do they deliver the vehicle to the customer in a timely manner with no delay while still having the part installed that doesn’t exist?
Yeah, you're right. Can't hold off on deliveries. That would make Tesla look bad and hurt quarterly delivery numbers.
It also would make you and Comfy look stupid for gloating about how great Tesla is because they aren't being impacted by supply chain issues like how the legacy auto makers are.
Even before Giga Berlin opens its doors, Tesla is showing off its dominance in the German automotive market. In the month of November, Tesla sales rose 234% while at the same time overall car sales in Germany plunged 32%.
The strong performance by Tesla is indicative of an overall shift to from gas and diesel powered cars to electric.
Last month sales of all-electric vehicles increased 39%, giving EVs a market share of 20.3%.
Diesel-powered cars saw sales decline 56%, giving them a market share of 15.8%. Gas car sales didn’t fair much better, dropping 44% for a 33.3% market share.
A major reason for the large drop in sales continues to be the global chip shortage, a problem which Tesla has been able to weather particularly well due to its ability to shift to new suppliers.
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The storm has started even before the Giga Berlin opening. Bwaaahahahahahaha
By delaying deliveries you are inconveniencing tens of thousands of people so that you don’t potentially inconvenience hundreds of people at some point in the future. That’s what it boils down to, what they did was the most logical solution, your solutions are worse for the majority of people
But they are finally building a supercharger at a Wawa near me, about 5 miles away but super close to my office (but who works from the office anymore). For Tampa it's a fantastic location, right off of the Interstate, on the busiest road in town, still very close to the 2nd busiest road in town and not far from the Bucs stadium. That's going to be a busy location when it opens later this year.
they finally started construction on this supercharger, so I took “the scooter” down to check it out
This location doesn’t appear to be using the pre-fabricated charging station method
Since this charger was first discovered there were a few more announcements for other chargers in the county, and now most of them are under construction at the same time as well.
^ like every story, it has more than one side and there's context to consider:
Tesla introduced us to their 4680 cells at Battery Day in September 2020, but one year and a half later there is no sign that the new cells are production-ready. Tesla’s Kato Road facility, where the new cells are developed, still functions as an R&D center and a leaked document shows the production figures are too low to count. 8 photos
Tesla tried to persuade us their new 4680 cells are a game-changer once they’re rolling out “anytime soon.” Recent information points to the mass production starting no sooner than 2023, showing that cracking the new cells takes more than just packing them in bigger rolls. Tesla battery R&D center in Kato Road is busy increasing the output, but with yields still low this risks affecting the quality of cells.
A document leaked on the Tesla Motors Club forum shows the production yields and levels for January 22 at the Kato Road facility and these are not looking very good. Although the picture shared by user Oliver’s TMX is low resolution, he offers more insight, as the info comes from a relative who works at the facility.
The document shows that 14 machines were in operation that day and 13 of them were producing “good” cells, with yields above 90%. One machine is the exception, producing only a limited number of good cells. According to Oliver’s relative, this machine was used that day to train employees from Giga Texas, which explains the high rate of rejects.
“Green represents good batteries and red is for rejects. As you can see, on that day they had 14 machines running and produced 92% good batteries, including the 82% bad batteries from Machine 212 which I believe was being used that day to train folks from Texas who will be producing them there in the future,” he wrote.
On the right side of the document, we see the most common causes of defects. “Flap folding in – Cathode” leads with 1.4%, followed closely by “Single Wind Cut Position Recovery – Cathode” at 1.2%. Even with Machine 212 ruining it, the overall yield for that day was at 92%, which may sound impressive but this still means 8% of the cells are thrown away.
The production figure also shows around 6,250 cells were manufactured that day. Estimates indicate around 600 of them would be needed for a complete structural battery for the Model Y assembled in Texas. This should allow building some 10 Model Ys daily, which is far from the targeted Texas production. Tesla would need to ramp up 4680 cells production 100-fold just to feed Gigafactory Texas.
As the 4680 cells will get into mass production, Giga Texas will be making them on site, just as Giga Berlin will have to do. Tesla’s battery partners like Panasonic, LG, and Samsung are also working to bring their 4680 line to production. Until then, we found out that Tesla started using the 2170 cells inside the structural batteries.
Why would they run it at max capacity on that one day months before vehicle production starts if they already have a stockpile of a million cells which is enough to make a couple of thousand cars? Weird that they summarized that forum post in the article but forgot to mention the part about Tesla already having enough cells to make batteries for thousands of cars.
Why would they run it at max capacity on that one day months before vehicle production starts if they already have a stockpile of a million cells which is enough to make a couple of thousand cars? Weird that they summarized that forum post in the article but forgot to mention the part about Tesla already having enough cells to make batteries for thousands of cars.
Because it's far harder to speed up and slow down mass manufacturing lines than it is to just keep them running at a constant speed. It takes a LONG time to start up production and reach a stable and capable process, it can be weeks or months, and those couple thousand cars will be done and they'll be fucked without more inventory. Production of a couple thousand cars is measured in days of production lol, not as much as you think it is.
Imagine if he was driving a Tesla on Autopilot, do you think that would've been the focus of the article? They didn't even bother to mention the make of the car or blame them for allowing this to happen with their car. Weird.
Can't wait for the OTA on the headlights! Been waiting a long time for that.
As far as the other link goes, if it was an autopilot induced crash then yes it matters regardless of what the driver was doing at the time. The point of FULL self driving is being able to do whatever you want, like taking a nap or jacking off, while the car drives. If you cannot do that then it is not FULL self driving.
Imagine if he was driving a Tesla on Autopilot, do you think that would've been the focus of the article? They didn't even bother to mention the make of the car or blame them for allowing this to happen with their car. Weird.
was it even a self driving car he was in? If not, this whole story is a waste of space. If it was then the auto pilot failed spectacularly. Either way it's all stupid..
^ maybe this is what Elon meant by "Robotaxi" in 201920202021 2022. (Not Really) FSD operated by (Not Really) robots who will come and pick you up autonomously. He finally met his goal! $TSLA celebrates!
edit: it's quite possible these are the lease returns that could not be bought out. There's no mention on how old these Model 3s are.
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Why would they run it at max capacity on that one day months before vehicle production starts if they already have a stockpile of a million cells which is enough to make a couple of thousand cars? Weird that they summarized that forum post in the article but forgot to mention the part about Tesla already having enough cells to make batteries for thousands of cars.
How would the Renault Zoe, with its zero star crash safety rating, have survived a tree falling on it @SSFTSX
As usual, context matters:
The UK is dealing with serious weather conditions. Gusts of wind destroyed buildings and cars. But this Tesla Model 3 is allegedly good at holding a huge tree that collapsed from the side of the road. The truth behind the photo doesn’t give as much credit to reality, though. 7 photos
You already know that billionaire Elon Musk’s favorite activity on the Internet is spending time on Twitter. He comments, likes, and retweets a lot.
And this picture isn’t any different. An account on Twitter called LVC Lourenzo (@lourencovc) has shared a picture of a Tesla Model 3, holding a huge tree that Storm Eunice sent to the ground. The image received over 2,740 retweets, 850 quote tweets, and 67,700 likes until the moment of publishing. And one of them belongs to Tesla’s famous CEO Elon Musk.
The picture seems quite impressive, and LVC Lourenzo captioned it: “Wow.” At first sight, you’d actually believe that the heavily damaged Tesla is holding the tree from falling.
But ex-Bond girl, actress Valerie Leon, gave us a different side of the story, which is exactly a portrayal of how the Internet can create a new reality. Because her picture, where she reveals she "narrowly avoided a terrible accident,” shows that the branches of the fallen tree are actually holding onto another tree, on the other side of the road.
I see few if any branches touching in the picture, looks to me like the majority of the weight is on the Tesla, that pic hardly changes the story, it's not "light years away" from what I posted.
Also why didn't you include this from your article
I see few if any branches touching in the picture, looks to me like the majority of the weight is on the Tesla, that pic hardly changes the story, it's not "light years away" from what I posted.
Well seeing as the one who actually took the picture said the weight is on the other tree I'm going to go ahead and believe that person over you.
There's no question that Teslas are among the safest cars on the road, that's why I own one. What about you?
02-09-2022, 03:17 PM
, stating he will be “shocked” if Tesla does not complete FSD by the end of the year.
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in? If not, this whole story is a waste of space. If it was then the auto pilot failed spectacularly. Either way it's all stupid..
