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^ They are prepping this in the US too. If you go to the supercharger map on Tesla's website it gives you an option to locate chargers that aren't Tesla exclusive.
Tesla removed the ability to do rolling stops, which is something that every human driver does everyday, and below they list the conditions that had to be met in order for it to do a rolling stop.
Now it can drive into oncoming traffic when the lane is blocked, something that every human drive has had to do at some point, so you guys can fear monger about that now until they remove it.
Just like driving, until you have experienced it for yourself on a daily basis for a long period of time, no amount of Twitter reading and youtube watching is going to really teach you how to drive.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 02-01-2022 at 06:27 PM.
Tesla is still battery and production constrained. Their waiting list is already about an year long. What’s the point in introducing another (cheaper or not) vehicle? They should concentrate on getting the current models out until the market saturates and prices stabilize. Of course the government efforts to incentivize automakers raise price to $80k didn’t help.
Even if by some miracle Tesla were able to sell a $25 car now, it’ll be immediately resold (for a hefty profit) by the customers who get it early. That’s how the market is now.
You tell me what you would be doing regarding the cheaper car if you were in this position???
Originally Posted by Comfy
All I’m saying is that the average selling price of a vehicle in US is north of $45k. Therefore Tesla is concentrating its efforts to push out cars in that price range. It doesn’t make financial sense trying to build a sell a cheaper car at this point. They will (and should) do the cheaper car once they have gained sufficient market share in total car market (not just EVs) with the 3s and Ys. That’ll likely happen in 2023. I assume the $25k car will become appealing then.
Originally Posted by SamDoe1
I agree with all of this. The unfortunate part is that this is not the song you were singing just a little while ago.
Originally Posted by kurtatx
you don’t seem to understand that Tesla buyers have proven they don’t need the $7500 to buy EVs. Tesla should have to make better, more affordable cars, not get government handouts to reward their weekly price adjustment.
You are being naïve.
Originally Posted by Comfy
03-29-2021, 05:36 AM
Model 2 (or whatever they want to call that) is the answer and will arrive in 1-2 years, possibly the Chinese version would come sooner.
I for one will definitely consider buying Tesla sooner than I normally would if there is a 7k tax credit on top of all the newer battery tech coming out.
Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
03-30-2021, 09:06 PM
are you aware that Tesla is currently developing a $25k car right now?
Tesla aims to release $25,000 electric car in 2023, likely will not have a steering wheel
Sep. 2nd 2021
Elon Musk has told Tesla employees that the automaker is aiming to release its previously announced $25,000 electric car in 2023.
The CEO hinted that it might not even be equipped with a steering wheel.
At Tesla Battery Day last year, CEO Elon Musk announced that Tesla will be making a $25,000 electric car.
The CEO commented in the announcement:
Tesla will make a compelling $25,000 electric vehicle that is also fully autonomous.
He made it clear that this new price point is achieved through Tesla’s new battery cell and battery manufacturing effort, which could reduce battery costs by over 50%.
The $25,000 Tesla electric car, which is often referred to as the “Tesla Model 2,” has been likened to a new electric hatchback that Tesla has been planning to produce at Gigafactory Shanghai in China and export globally.
Last year, Tesla announced plans to establish a new R&D center in China to build “a Chinese-style” electric car.
Tesla started taking design submissions for its Chinese-made small electric car last summer and started hiring for the program shortly afterward.
At the time, the automaker also released this early design drawing of a small electric hatchback. It led many to think that it was the design direction and form factor that Tesla is going for in the upcoming electric vehicle:
We recently reported on some media reports coming out of China that claimed the production of the Model 2 could start imminently.
However, we did warn that this isn’t likely to happen.
Now Elon Musk has confirmed a better idea of the planned timing to release the new cheaper Tesla vehicle in a company-wide meeting held last night.
Sources who were at the meeting told Electrek that the CEO said Tesla was aiming to start production of the new $25,000 electric car in 2023.
In the meeting, the CEO said that Tesla is betting on full autonomy for the new $25,000 electric car.
Front Cradle and Suspension | Tesla Model S Plaid Teardown
Munro is starting to sound like a Tesla cheerleader but none the less the impressive front end engineering and design of the Tesla Plaid.
The chassis looks really robust especially with the hoop that closed the "U" channel where the halfshafts go through the chassis.
Also solidly mounted steering rack.
Oh. I thought you meant that Musk had said the $25k Telsa wouldn't happen prior to the earnings call from last week. So Musk strung investors along for months... almost 2 years in fact... on the idea of a $25K Tesla when he knew it wouldn't work, or as Comfy put it, "it doesn’t make financial sense trying to build a sell a cheaper car"
Pretty impressive rear suspension with dogbone style control arm attachments to cradle. Control arms are forged 6061 (?) aluminum.
Despite all the other press, Elon and media woes at Tesla, some of their car tech is up there with the best.
^Seems like Tesla is learning the best way to design and manufacture a car faster than legacy auto can learn how to develop software and make an efficient EV
My interpretation is that Tesla has created a headlamp that is compatible with many countries' laws and it uses software to control how it operates depending on which country you're in. Before they had separate physical headlamps for each jurisdiction. So multiple SKUs combined down to one and one less thing to switch out when building cars for different countries.
My interpretation is that Tesla has created a headlamp that is compatible with many countries' laws and it uses software to control how it operates depending on which country you're in. Before they had separate physical headlamps for each jurisdiction. So multiple SKUs combined down to one and one less thing to switch out when building cars for different countries.
As I understand the driver doesn’t have to do anything while traveling between different countries, the car will do all changes itself based on the GPS location, right. That sounds awesome.
Possibly, it's at least easier to configure them to the standards required by the country the vehicle is delivered to. Switching automatically based on geo-location is probably doable too.
Possibly, it's at least easier to configure them to the standards required by the country the vehicle is delivered to. Switching automatically based on geo-location is probably doable too.
Mercedes cars already do this as it pertains to RHD/LHD based on geo location.
Tesla cut a steering component from some cars to deal with chip shortage, sources say
Mon, Feb 7 2022
Key Points
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Tesla excluded one of two electronic control units in the steering racks of Shanghai-built Model 3 and Model Y cars to deal with chip shortages, CNBC has learned.
Sources say that tens of thousands of cars with the tweaked power steering system are already shipping to customers in China, Australia, and Europe.
Tesla employees debated whether to tell customers about the change, but decided it wasn’t necessary since the part is considered a redundant backup, not needed for level 2 driver-assistance features.
If i were to audit them, i would just keep digging this part
How they decided that this part of the steering needed redundant backup during the design phase and now it is not necessary?
That's a hole you could dig through to China.
What requirements did you have?
What was the risk level?
Was this part a risk control measure?
What's the failure rate of the primary control?
What drove the need for a secondary?
etc
etc
etc
What requirements did you have?
What was the risk level?
Was this part a risk control measure?
What's the failure rate of the primary control?
What drove the need for a secondary?
etc
etc
etc
You could spend DAYS on this one alone.
Oh good thing they are not asking me to audit Tesla
It's funny cuz @#1 STUNNA always talked about Tesla's redundancies when it comes to Full* [level 2] Self Driving system.
And now they've gone and removed one such system
Is the FSD Beta program up and running in China? Did these vehicles even purchase FSD, last I heard the take rate was low in China. When FSD comes out and one of the cars from this batch gets it I'd imagine they'd be alerted to make a service appointment so they can have the missing part installed.
Is the FSD Beta program up and running in China? Did these vehicles even purchase FSD, last I heard the take rate was low in China. When FSD comes out and one of the cars from this batch gets it I'd imagine they'd be alerted to make a service appointment so they can have the missing part installed.
It seems like ALL of the cars coming out have the component missing, not just some of them.
Is the FSD Beta program up and running in China? Did these vehicles even purchase FSD, last I heard the take rate was low in China. When FSD comes out and one of the cars from this batch gets it I'd imagine they'd be alerted to make a service appointment so they can have the missing part installed.
If you ever been to China or have any real experience in China, you will be the first one to tell yourself that FSD will not work in China in any foreseeable future...
Actually the same can be said just about any Asian countries.
Is the FSD Beta program up and running in China? Did these vehicles even purchase FSD, last I heard the take rate was low in China. When FSD comes out and one of the cars from this batch gets it I'd imagine they'd be alerted to make a service appointment so they can have the missing part installed.
These cars aren't just being delivered to buyers in China though.
Sources say that tens of thousands of cars with the tweaked power steering system are already shipping to customers in China, Australia, and Europe.
Supposedly, Tesla has a secret FSD beta program running in Europe.
It appears that Tesla’s efforts to bring its Full Self-Driving Beta to foreign territories are underway. The initiative seems to be part of Tesla’s efforts to expand the reach of its advanced driver-assist system, which, together with its expected open Supercharger program, should help the company establish its reputation as a carmaker at the forefront of both the electric vehicle and the autonomy revolution.
The update was hinted at by noted Tesla owner-hacker @greentheonly, who stated that the company’s code has shown that some vehicles in Europe are currently running FSD Beta. The esteemed hacker did not specify the specific FSD Beta build that the Europe-based testers are reportedly running, though he noted that the owners of the limited program are still under strict nondisclosure agreements.
FSD Beta tests outside the United States don’t seem to be limited to Europe only, either, with the owner-hacker later adding that some Teslas in China also seem to be running the advanced driver-assist system. Granted, Tesla’s Autopilot training in China is quite different due to local government regulations, but the presence of apparent FSD Beta testers in the country suggests that the company is putting some serious effort to bring its Full Self-Driving Beta to owners outside the United States.
These updates are quite exciting, considering that FSD Beta is expected to see some substantial improvements within the next few days. In a post on Twitter last month, Tesla CEO Elon Musk stated that FSD Beta 10, which should roll out later this week, would feature a completely retrained neutral network. Following the release of FSD Beta 10, Musk noted that it would likely only take a few more weeks of tuning and bug fixes before the company is able to roll out the highly-anticipated and long-awaited “Download FSD” button to a larger group of EV owners.
If you ever been to China or have any real experience in China, you will be the first one to tell yourself that FSD will not work in China in any foreseeable future...
Actually the same can be said just about any Asian countries.
It doesn't work here let alone in Asian countries.
01-31-2022, 11:45 AM
it was in the last earnings call
