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Old 08-27-2004, 12:41 AM
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Just like Infinit pulled something out of thin air with their LDW (lane departure warning) system it seems Honda also with this:

"As part of Tuesday's event, Honda also announced new technology that sends a warning signal to a driver when two sensors under the headlights detect a pedestrian in the dark.

The so-called intelligent night vision system technology, a world first, will be available as an option on the new Honda Legend luxury sedan, to be launched in October.

Other car makers such as rival Toyota Motor Corp. have similar technology that displays objects using night vision sensors, but Honda's is the first to pick out pedestrians, enclosing the image in an orange frame in a heads-up display reflected above the dashboard.

Honda did not say how much the night vision system would cost, but an engineer said it would be "a few thousand dollars".

The technology is far from complete: while it is smart enough to recognize people by the shape of the head and shoulders as well as by detecting body temperature, it won't be able to pick them out on a bicycle or under an opaque umbrella.

The system is also useless in temperatures above 86 degrees Fahrenheit."


And you thought the RL would have no options...ha!

Actually it's been available in Japan for some time now on the cars offered there. It's just now being offered here in America. BTW, do your homework and invest in whomever produces it, this will become mainstream on all cars in the next 10 years.

Concerning Torqueless wonder, Honda makes wondeful high-revving engines. That means peak power at high revs. The luxury class rarely ever drives like this. That is why low-end torque is needed. power below 3000rpm is crucial. With AWD and more size than the 3500lbs TL, the RL will be around 4000lbs. With a great 300hp from a V-6 and 260lbs torqu to pull that beast.

The next Toyota Avalon will be a 270 or 280hp 3.5 V-6. I am sure torque will be the same rating. The Nissan cars have tons of torque, always around the same area as HP. I bet the 295hp G35 will have around 295lbs of torque.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I bet the 295hp G35 will have around 295lbs of torque.
The rule of thumb is that displacement determines the amount of torque that an engine can produce. Infiniti has been putting more HP and torque at higher RPMs - the additional "power" is usually available higher in the RPM range. Honda can easily play that game...witness the S2000 with 240hp from a mere 2.0L 4 cylinder. 260 lb-ft is more than adequate for the G35's performance...upping the number will not change that by much (if at all), the only advantage is for bragging rights. And it'll only hurt Infiniti when cars with lower power ratings (*cough*AcuraTL*cough*) match it in acceleration.
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Originally Posted by phile
The rule of thumb is that displacement determines the amount of torque that an engine can produce. Infiniti has been putting more HP and torque at higher RPMs - the additional "power" is usually available higher in the RPM range. Honda can easily play that game...witness the S2000 with 240hp from a mere 2.0L 4 cylinder. 260 lb-ft is more than adequate for the G35's performance...upping the number will not change that by much (if at all), the only advantage is for bragging rights. And it'll only hurt Infiniti when cars with lower power ratings (*cough*AcuraTL*cough*) match it in acceleration.
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The G35 will have 270lbs of torque, 277HP in sedan and 295HP in the coupe. Most dynos showed that the previous ratings were very conservative (260/260) and the improvement to the new numbers could be half marketing half actual changes/improvements. The reason the "butt dyno" gives the Nissan engines more torque is due the relative uneveness of the torque curve compared to the TL. I'll bet the RL will be the same - very smoth power delivery throughout the rev band and no sense of neck snapping torque. The preformance of the RL won't be apparent until track numbers are provided.
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Just read from elsewhere that the RL comes standard with paddle shifters....is this true?!
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yes! it's true!
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I won't be around tomorrow...will be at Newport Beach. Cat is out of the hat tom.
XM will now be standard on all 05 Models except the RSX. The RL gets free XM service for a yr instead of 3 months...plus 1 yr of free Nav tech service. Will have pics tom night.
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Originally Posted by justinjsw
I won't be around tomorrow...will be at Newport Beach. Cat is out of the hat tom.
XM will now be standard on all 05 Models except the RSX. The RL gets free XM service for a yr instead of 3 months...plus 1 yr of free Nav tech service. Will have pics tom night.
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nice... the oracle does his job again...

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Originally Posted by justinjsw
I won't be around tomorrow...will be at Newport Beach. Cat is out of the hat tom.
XM will now be standard on all 05 Models except the RSX. The RL gets free XM service for a yr instead of 3 months...plus 1 yr of free Nav tech service. Will have pics tom night.
XM standard in 2005 TSX? Would the controls be integrated to the radio/nav system, or would it have a separate controls? Just wondering...
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
The Oracle strikes again!
Really...well then A-TSX exclusive ultra high-res RL A-Spec Pics @ 6PM PST
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Originally Posted by sipark
XM standard in 2005 TSX? Would the controls be integrated to the radio/nav system, or would it have a separate controls? Just wondering...
Intergrated

RL Nav system is no longer a touch screen....but the voice command can now understand the names of the streets via voice.

On-star is also back 05 RL, MDX and TL.
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Information overload!!!

Man, what else does the Oracle have up his sleeves?

SHAWD TSX?
SHAWD TL?

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Originally Posted by justinjsw
Intergrated

RL Nav system is no longer a touch screen....but the voice command can now understand the names of the streets via voice.

On-star is also back 05 RL, MDX and TL.
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6PST...what time is that in EST?
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Originally Posted by justinjsw
Really...well then A-TSX exclusive ultra high-res RL A-Spec Pics @ 6PM PST
A-Spec eh? I hope its more than a badge and a 1" drop.
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BODY DESIGN & STRUCTURE

The 2005 Acura RL combines its dynamic new exterior and interior design with advanced body and chassis engineering. The result is distinctive and appealing styling, together with super maneuverability on the road. To ensure that the RL has exceptional dynamic capabilities and driving quality, it is outfitted with a lightweight and highly rigid body structure that makes extensive use of both high-tensile steel and aluminum components, and features 4-wheel independent suspension.

DESIGN CONCEPT

When Acura designers began work on the 2005 RL they wanted to create a taut and athletic shape that conveyed the new performance capabilities of the car without sacrificing the comfort and capability the previous model had achieved.

To create an exhilarating, athletic sedan, the designers targeted much higher dynamic performance, superb maneuverability, distinctively appealing styling, and a high level of active safety. The result is a top-flight luxury performance sedan that is primed to compete with the Audi A6, BMW 5 Series, Mercedes-Benz E Class and others.

Design Image

Acura designers set out to create the RL with a much more pronounced sporting edge than in the past. To help craft his image, styling cues included the following:

Taut, athletic body design with European influence
Aerodynamic lines with low drag and high stability
Low hood line for increased forward visibility and reduced aerodynamic drag
Flush side glass for reduced wind noise
Short tail for reduced aerodynamic drag and improved maneuverability
Aero Sculpture

The aerodynamic properties of the new RL complement the styling, safety, dynamic performance, stability, human factors and other considerations. To achieve this high-performance exterior, the RL designers created a strong wedge shape that begins its "momentum" with the hood, continues it with a forward-mounted windshield, and finishes with a short rear overhang. Aerodynamic cabin has flush side glass for reduced drag and wind noise. Along with outstanding aero performance, it is designed to look like it moves fast.

Packaging

The packaging goal for the 2005 Acura RL was to create a shorter body with reduced overhangs and wider interior dimensions for enhanced comfort and convenience. In comparison to the 2004 3.5 RL, the RL body is three inches shorter with a wheelbase more than four inches shorter. The body is also an inch wider and 2.6 inch taller. The result is enhanced handling capability and maneuverability, and increased passenger volume from 96.2 to 99.1 cu. ft.

2005 Acura RL 2004 Acura 3.5 RL Difference
Length, in. 193.6 196.6 - 3.0
Width, in. 72.7 71.6 + 1.1
Height, in. 57.1 54.5 + 2.6
Wheelbase, in. 110.2 114.6 - 4.4
Track, Front/Rear, in. 62.0/62.4 61.0/60.6 + 1.1/1.8
Curb weight, lb. 3,984 3,893 + 91
Weight distribution, %, F/R 58/42 59/41 - 1/+ 1

Controlling the weight of the RL was important to ensure maximum acceleration, road holding and braking performance. The use of lightweight materials and weight-saving design resulted in a weight gain of only 92 pounds over the previous 3.5 RL, to 3,984 lbs. This modest gain is remarkable, given the dramatically higher vehicle content level, which includes the standard SH-AWD system, side curtain airbags and many other features.

The 2005 Acura RL compares very favorably to its competitors in its class in overall packaging and curb weight. Even though it is equipped with all-wheel drive, its weight is comparable to that of rear-wheel drive competitors and significantly below key competitors with all-wheel drive.

Compared to other vehicles in the RL competitive set, including the Audi A6, BMW 5-Series, Jaguar S-Type, Lexus GS 300 and Mercedes-Benz E Class, the RL is the only vehicle with a standard AWD system, and the only one to offer SH-AWD. The RL is also longer and wider, with significantly wider front and rear track, than its competitors.

2005 Acura RL 2004 Audi A6 3.0 with AT 2004 BMW 530i with A/T 2005 Jaguar S-Type 3.0-Liter 2004 Lexus GS 300 Sedan 2005 Mercedes-Benz E320
Drive system SH-AWD FWD RWD RWD RWD RWD
AWD system Std. Opt. NA NA NA Opt.
Length, in. 193.6 192.0 190.6 193.0 189.2 189.7
Width, in. 72.6 71.3 72.7 71.6 70.9 71.3
Height, in. 57.1 57.2 58.0 56.0 55.9 57.2
Wheelbase, in. 110.2 108.7 113.7 114.5 110.2 112.4
Track, Front/Rear, in. 62.0/62.4 60.6/61.8 61.3/62.3 60.4/60.7 60.4/59.4 61.4/61.1
Curb weight, lb. 3,984 3,880(AWD) 3,483 3,771 3,649 3,955(AWD)
Weight distribution, %, F/R 58/42 61/39 50/50 NA 53/47 51/49

BODY STRUCTURE

Light Weight

Producing a lightweight and rigid unit body was essential to meet engineering goals for the new RL as a premium luxury sport sedan. This is because light weight improves every aspect of dynamic performance and fuel economy, and a rigid structure improves ride and handling.

Specific RL strategies that were employed to reduce body mass include:

Aluminum hood, fenders and trunk lid
Aluminum front and rear subframes, suspension arms and bumper beams
Magnesium cylinder head covers and seat frames
Carbon fiber reinforced composite drive shaft Structural Solidity
The 2005 Acura RL was also designed with the goal of creating an automobile body which provides world-class safety. It was engineered to comply with the latest FMVSS 208 occupant crash protection standard and FMVSS301 fuel system integrity standard.

One of the most difficult test modes to achieve is the side collision that models the impact of a RL being struck from the side by an SUV or a pickup.

To meet these important benchmarks, engineers increased the side section of the frame to comply with new collision regulations (see Safety section for more information). They also chose different material specifications to provide the desired level of stiffness and strength for critical areas, without adding unnecessary weight.

The use of aluminum for the front and rear bumper beams, hood, trunk lid and front fenders saves 40 lbs. compared to steel
Extremely strong Grade 80 high-tension steel is used for the side sills, under-floor spars, and in the impact-absorbing crumple zones at the front of the side frames
Strong high tension Grade 45 steel is used on the front shock mounts, areas of the front passenger-compartment bulkhead, areas of the front subframe mounts, and rear structure
The rest of the body is constructed with Grade 60 steel
The overall result is that bending and twisting rigidity for the unit body is superior to that of the 2004 3.5 RL. The 2005 RL also has enhanced crashworthiness with no additional weight penalty.

Aluminum Components

The lightweight aluminum hood, front fenders and trunk are formed with an innovative process called blow forming to achieve complex and pleasing shapes with a high level of quality, low cost and light weight. First the raw aluminum panels are placed in a heated mold and warmed to 500 degrees. Then they are forced into the mold with a high-pressure gas. The result is perfectly formed complex shapes that are not possible with traditional stamping methods.

For rigidity, the trunk lid is composed of an inner structural panel and an outer body panel. This 2-piece aluminum structure is crimped together with a self-piercing rivet that makes the lid highly durable.

Door Construction

Safety in side collisions, along with the pursuit of a quality door-closing sound, drove engineers to design all-new door structures. Beams were applied for side-impact safety in both the front and rear doors.

There is no mistaking the quality sound a well-engineered door makes as it is closed. By positioning door's center of gravity (the height at which its weight is centered) at the same height as the latch, audible vibration and thus the closing sound can be improved. For improved entry and exit the rear doors now open 80 degrees.

Trunk opening

The trunk opening is reinforced to retain rigidity while providing a large, low opening for easier loading. Inside, the opening is finished to hide the hinges and to cover the rain gutters (see Interior section for more information).

Windshield Wipers

To decrease wind noise levels and improve appearance, the RL incorporates hidden pivots and wiper arms for its speed-sensing, variable intermittent windshield wipers. The pivots are hidden underneath the trailing edge of the hood line to reduce noise levels and enhance appearance.

The use of a hidden windshield wiper pivot is a world's first. The hidden pivot improves aerodynamic efficiency and reduces visual distraction when the wiper reverses direction. A new cowl garnish below the windshield wipers also reduces wind noise, contributing to a significant reduction in wind noise.

Another advantage of hiding the wiper pivot is enhanced outward visibility. Hiding the pivot increases the passenger's forward visibility.
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CHASSIS OVERVIEW

Quick handling response, nimble performance, high dynamic capabilities, outstanding ride comfort and a fun-to-drive character were the design goals for the 2005 Acura RL chassis. The RL features a highly rigid unit body that provides an excellent platform for the four-wheel independent suspension (independent front double-wishbone with independent multi-link rear). Aluminum suspension components front and rear cut unsprung weight to allow for more supple and responsive suspension action and more consistent traction and handling on rough roads. The optimized suspension geometry of the RL works with new electronically controlled power steering, larger wheels and tires and the Super Handling All-Wheel-Drive system to give the RL exceptional handling balance in virtually every driving condition. Ride quality and road noise isolation were also the focus of substantial engineering effort, so even with its elevated sporting performance, the RL remains quiet and composed.

CHASSIS CONCEPT

The 2005 RL was designed to compete squarely with the best luxury sedans from Germany and Japan in dynamic performance interior luxury appointments, features and quality.

The new suspension works with the SH-AWD system to provide superb handling precision. The suspension's optimized geometry provides linear cornering feel, outstanding dry and wet weather cornering capabilities, a flat ride, and a high level of controllability at all times. It also results in an increased feeling of precision and security for the driver and passengers alike.

Front Double-Wishbone Suspension

The front suspension is a double-wishbone type with an enlarged subframe mount and compliance bushing as compared to the 2004 3.5 RL. In addition, the dampers now feature rebound springs that reduce chassis attitude changes to ensure a flat ride during acceleration and cornering.

Specific improvement goals for the RL suspension included better response over rough roads, improved steering feel, optimized geometry, and overall component toughness. The steering knuckle (or upright), upper arm, lower arm and subframe are all lightweight aluminum.

Rear Multi-Link Suspension

The rear suspension is a multi-link type with a new enlarged subframe mount and a longer upper arm design. As a result the roll center is optimized for better turning response, cornering stability and control in extreme conditions.

The optimized geometry results in linear toe and camber changes during suspension travel. Improved roll stiffness also makes the RL corner flatter than the previous model. It also has anti-lift characteristics to reduce the pitching motion of the body during braking.

Harshness and road noise are also significantly reduced, and ride comfort is also measurably improved, thanks to these changes and a new compliance bushing.

Lightweight aluminum is used for weight savings in the control arms and subframe. The components are also stiffer to withstand the higher side loads that SH-AWD, larger tires and a stiffer unit body create.

Aluminum Hybrid Subframes

The RL front and rear aluminum subframes are composed with members made by high temperature bulge forming and high vacuum die casting. Both manufacturing techniques result in significantly lighter units than would be possible with either aluminum hydroform or steel hydroform processes.

To bulge-form these components, an aluminum tube is heated and pressurized with air inside a specially shaped die. The ability to shape the component under both heat and pressure means that less material can be used, lowering the overall weight of the finished component.

The aluminum hybrid subframes on the RL save over 17 lb. as compared to those of the Acura TL, and save nearly 40 lb. compared to comparable steel hydroformed subframes like those of the Acura TSX. The exact weight savings are shown below.

2005 Acura RL 2004 Acura TL 2004 Acura TSX
Front subframe Aluminum hybrid Aluminum hydroformed Steel hydroformed
Rear subframe Aluminum hybrid Steel hydroformed Steel hydroformed
Combined front/rear subframe weight savings -39.6 lbs. -22.0 lbs. Reference

TIRES

Buyers of premium sport luxury sedans expect them to deliver superior cornering precision. Since tires directly affect cornering loads, the RL is equipped with the largest tires ever offered on a production Acura sedan. Original equipment is a Michelin P245/50R17 98V high performance, all season tire that delivers outstanding cornering and is M+S (Mud and Snow) rated. This tire is 20mm wider (0.8 in.) wider, and an inch larger in wheel diameter, than the 225/50 R16 tire found on the 2004 model. The tire's capability is further enhanced by the standard SH-AWD system (see Engine & Powertrain section for more information).
An 18-inch accessory wheel and summer tire package will be available as a dealer-installed item. The RL spare tire is a temporary T155/70D17.

WHEELS

The RL wheels are 17 x 8J-inch cast aluminum alloy. They are an inch larger in diameter and one inch wider than the 16 x 7JJ-inch units found on the 2004 3.5 RL. The spare wheel is a 17 x 4T unit.

ELECTRONICALLY CONTROLLED, SPEED-SENSING, POWER ASSIST RACK-AND-PINION STEERING

Precise steering performance is an essential facet of the RL. The goals were to combine a light, but linear steering feel at low speeds with a solid steering feel at high speeds. Together with the neutral handling characteristics of the chassis, the RL is engineered to feel like a smaller car than it actually is to the driver.

Compared to traditional mechanically controlled hydraulic power steering, the speed-sensing steering assist unit in the RL is controlled electronically. As a result, it provides a very linear and direct steering feel regardless of vehicle speed. In particular, the on-center feel is very precise and linear, with no discernible "dead spot."

VSA WITH TRACTION CONTROL

Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA(R)) is standard equipment on the RL. It uses electronic traction control and ABS functions, combined with a yaw and longitudinal/lateral acceleration sensors to quickly detect if the vehicle is about to understeer or oversteer. It then reduces engine output and applies one or more individual brakes, to stabilize the vehicle-often before the driver is even aware of the instability.

4-WHEEL VENTILATED DISC BRAKES WITH ABS AND ELECTRONIC BRAKE DISTRIBUTION (EBD)

In keeping with the athletic capabilities of the RL, Acura designers upgraded the 4-wheel disc brakes to create a true high-performance system. They targeted the braking performance of top-level competitors from Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz as the benchmark to meet and exceed.

New 12.6-inch cast-iron ventilated front rotors use aluminum 4-piston calipers. These multi-piston calipers are extremely rigid, and are derived from racing applications. In back, 12.2-inch cast-iron ventilated discs attach to their hub with lightweight aluminum collets and are gripped by one-piston aluminum calipers.

The 2005 RL includes Electronic Brake force Distribution (EBD), which automatically adjusts the front/rear brake pressure to suit conditions, while an anti-lock braking system (ABS) helps the driver retain directional control in hard braking situations. Also included is 4-channel Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA(R)).

Brake Assist

Brake Assist helps drivers apply full braking pressure in an accident avoidance situation. To do so, a microprocessor continually analyzes and "learns" the driver's normal braking habits-monitoring both the rate of pressure applied and the total pressure that the driver normally applies to the brake system.

If the driver suddenly applies the brakes, Brake Assist brings the system to full ABS activation to help stop the vehicle in the shortest distance possible. It is only activated when the microprocessor detects that certain brake pedal speed and pressure thresholds are reached.

Importantly, Brake Assist assists the driver in obtaining full braking performance in an emergency. The Brake Assist system deactivates when the driver releases pressure on the brake pedal.

TIRE PRESSURE MONITORING SYSTEM (TPMS)

The onboard Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) with location and pressure indicators warns the driver when the air pressure lowers in any tire. This helps reduce the chance of losing control of the vehicle due to low air pressure. This is important because a slow leak, such as might be caused by a nail embedded through the tread, might not be detectable immediately but would, in time, cause significant air loss, loss of grip and potentially a blowout.

A sensor mounted on each wheel continually monitors tire pressure and sends a coded signal to an initiator located inboard of the tire on the chassis. The information is then sent to an electronic control unit that compares the values of each tire against an acceptable set of values.

When a tire's pressure drops significantly below the proper specification, a "CHECK TIRE PRESSURE" alert appears on the MID alert screen. The system can display the air pressure in all four tires simultaneously via the MID, making it simple to locate a low tire. If there is a fault in the system, a "CHECK TPMS SYSTEM" alert appears.

At the driver's preference the display can continually show the air pressure in all four tires. Regardless of whether the driver chooses to monitor the pressures, a warning will still occur if a tire drops below specification
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AERODYNAMICS

The highly efficient aerodynamic drag figure of 0.29 for the 2005 Acura RL pays dividends in the form of lower wind noise, improved fuel economy, increased performance, and enhanced stability on the highway. An air dam reduces front lift force. An engine undercover and floor undercovers further smooth airflow, as do muffler covers and a rear diffuser, which help rear differential's cooling and result in rear lift force reduction.

ACTIVE FRONT LIGHTING SYSTEM

The RL features the first Active Front Lighting System (AFS) ever on an Acura. It also has Xenon High-Intensity Discharge (HID) headlights, 55-watt fog lights, and daytime running lights. All are standard equipment.

In the Active Front Lighting System, the left low-beam unit can swivel left, and the right low beam can swivel right, to improve illumination while cornering, or to illuminate around the corner of an intersection. This allows the driver advance warning if a pedestrian, object or animal is in the way. Each light can swivel up to 20 degrees outboard, with the amount determined based on the vehicle speed and steering input.

The system uses the following components:

Steering angle sensor
Vehicle speed sensor
Reverse switch (cancels AFS when car is backing up)
Control switch (turns off AFS at driver's discretion)
Instrument panel warning light (illuminates when AFS is turned off)
Control unit swivels the headlight low beam projector unit via a gearbox and step motor
AFS swivels either the left or right headlight (not both together) when the following conditions are met:

Steering angle is over 12 degrees
Vehicle speed is 5 mph or higher (left-hand turns only)
Right-hand headlight will swivel even if vehicle is stopped
Swivel cancels when speed drops to 3 mph (left-hand turns only)
XENON HIGH-INTENSITY DISCHARGE (HID) HEADLIGHTS

Traditional headlight bulbs illuminate a tungsten filament inside a sealed bulb containing halogen gas. Xenon HID low-beam bulbs, however, use a high voltage current that passes between two electrodes to create a plasma arc. This accounts for their brightness and "daylight-like" illumination.

They are also superior to tungsten-halogen bulbs in lumens, or lighting power. The Xenon HID bulbs on the RL provide a lighting pattern that is both longer and wider than that of the 2004 3.5 RL. In addition, the tungsten-halogen high beams provide a wider illumination spread than before. The low beams on the 2005 RL have a brightness of 825 lumens, compared to 692 lumens for the previous generation RL. For the driver, these advances mean even better illumination for enhanced confidence and safety.

The RL Xenon HID low-beam headlight bulbs have a projected life span of 1,500 hours compared to 1,000 hours for a normal bulb.

LED Lighting

The RL also features advanced Light Emitting Diode (LED) lighting systems. These include LED mirror integrated directional signals, each of which features bright LEDs to alert motorists who are alongside when the RL driver is planning to change lanes or make a turn.

Each taillight/brake light assembly has an array of 28 LEDs. The taillights use 14 LEDs, arranged as the perimeter of a circle, and the brake lights use an additional 14 LEDs. When the brakes are applied, all 28 LEDs light up, illuminating the entire area.

The center high-mounted stop lamp (CHMSL) also uses LEDs. The projected service life of the RL LEDs is 2,000 hours.

Daytime Running Lights

The RL features Daytime Running Lights (DRL) for the first time in an Acura in the U.S.

5 MPH BUMPERS

To minimize repair costs in minor, low-speed collisions, the RL has 5-mph bumpers front and rear.

NVH COUNTERMEASURES

The elimination of undesirable noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) in the 2005 Acura RL was of primary concern to development engineers. Virtually everything that could be the source of these traits was scientifically reviewed and modified during the planning and prototype phases.

Acura wanted to provide RL clients with 300 hp, all-wheel drive and large-diameter high-performance tires for advanced handling characteristics. At the same time, they wanted the car to remain refined and nearly silent for highway cruising and have a stirring high-performance engine sound during acceleration. These attributes, along with low NVH and light overall vehicle weight, were achieved through the application of innovative technology.

The new RL is dramatically quieter than the 2004 3.5 RL in terms of high frequency and middle-frequency noise attenuation. Acura's internal testing also shows that it is also significantly better than the Audi A6 and Mercedes-Benz E320. Road noise attenuation is also significantly improved over both smooth and rough roads.

As part of the mission to control weight in the new RL, Acura used lightweight materials wherever possible in the sound-absorbing package, including lightweight sound insulators instead of traditional heavier materials. In addition, the RL represents Acura's first use of an Active Noise Cancellation(TM) system (ANC). See Interior section for more information.

Main RL NVH countermeasures:

Drivetrain

Engine mounting system including a hydraulic lower transmission mount
Variable volume mufflers
Hood insulator
Engine cover and undercover
Body

Acoustic roof lining
Acoustic front and rear inner fender insulator with high-frequency damping materials
Flooring

Lightweight floor insulator
Floor undercover
Subframes

Floating front and rear subframes with four mounting points
Interior

ANC system for noise control (see Interior section for more information)
Lightweight instrument panel damping materials
Thinsulate insulation in selected areas
Trunk

Acoustic design with side, front and lid linings
POWER WINDOWS

The side power windows on the RL are made of glass that is 5 mm thick to reduce cabin noise. Each window features an auto-open and auto-close function as well as an anti-pinch safety feature and key-off operation.

FLUSH GLASS

The 2005 Acura RL is the first car in the world to have totally flush side glass where it meets the B-pillars. Normally, a gap of about 5 mm exists between side glass and the B-pillar. But on the '05 RL, the window guide is on the glass instead of the window frame, which allowed the gap to be eliminated. This means there is one continuous uninterrupted plane running along the front side window, across the B-pillar and all the way to the trailing edge of the rear side window. The benefit is a further reduction in wind noise and an even cleaner, high quality appearance.

EXTERIOR MIRRORS

To reduce wind rush and turbulence, exterior mirror housings need to be small and aerodynamic, without unnecessarily reducing the mirror area. On the RL, the power mirror element is precisely sized to fit inside a compact housing that reduces these unwanted characteristics.

The airflow between the mirror housing and the side window glass is likewise crucial for reducing turbulence and noise. Engineers designed this gap as an expanding V-shape, with the gap narrower at the front and wider at the rear. This helps the airflow decelerate as it flows across the glass, instead of accelerating as it would if the V-angle were to decrease. The result is smoother airflow and less mid- and high-frequency noise.

EXTERIOR PAINT

The exterior paint on the 2005 Acura RL uses an environmentally conscious water-based process. The painting procedure begins with an electrodeposition (ED) primer, which is electrically charged in the paint bath. After the ED primer is applied, it is cured at high temperature to improve corrosive durability.

Next comes a primer-surfacer (PS) that is hand sanded to ensure a smooth surface for better appearance. After a waterborne color basecoat (BC) is applied, a pair of clear coats provide depth while helping to protect the base coat from air pollution, acid rain and fog.

Nine different exterior colors are available, including four metallic colors and five pearl colors. These are selectively available with three different interior colors. The chart below shows the available exterior/interior color combinations (see Interior section for more information).
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HANDSFREELINK(TM) WIRELESS TELEPHONE INTERFACE

The RL has a standard HandsFreeLink(TM) hands free phone interface that is designed to work with many recently manufactured Bluetooth-enabled mobile phones (sold separately). Bluetooth is a radio frequency-based cable replacement technology that lets portable devices like mobile phones PDAs, laptops and other devices communicate wirelessly. The RL system is compatible with Bluetooth enabled cell phones that have the Hands Free Profile (HFP). Some early Bluetooth-enabled phones do not have this communications protocol, but any newly released phones should have the HFP. After the driver completes a one-time "pairing" process, the RL can communicate wirelessly and securely with the driver's cell phone when it's within about 10 feet of the car. The phone needs to be on, but can be stowed in a pocket, briefcase or purse-or anywhere inside the RL cabin.

HandsFreeLink(TM) allows the driver to send or answer calls without taking his or her hands from the steering wheel. When a call comes in, the number of the incoming caller is displayed on the Multi-information display located in the speedometer face. The phone ring tone is also played over the audio system. If the driver chooses to answer the call, a press of the steering wheel-mounted "Pick up" button mutes the audio system and the incoming caller is heard over the audio system speakers. An overhead microphone picks up the driver's voice. Algorithms built into the HandsFreeLink system cancel "echo effect" and reduce background noise to improve the transmission quality of the driver's speech.

To send a call hands free, the driver can dial the number by voice, again using fingertip controls mounted on the steering wheel to activate the system. The driver also can store frequently called numbers with voice tags in the system's memory. Up to six different compatible mobile phones can be paired with the HandsFreeLink system at one time.

ACURALINK(TM) SATELLITE COMMUNICATION SYSTEM WITH REAL TIME TRAFFIC

The 2005 Acura RL introduces AcuraLink(TM) satellite communication system with real time traffic. AcuraLink(TM) allows for two-way communication between Acura and the vehicle, providing customers with the latest information specific to their vehicle. In cases where communication to and from the Acura Telematics server is needed, the owner's Bluetooth cell phone is used (once the owner has enabled its data-transmission function).

AcuraLink(TM) messages consist of a limited amount of text plus expanded details via Text-To-Speech. Each message is prioritized by importance. High priority messages are displayed immediately upon receipt. Other messages trigger an icon on the RL navigation display. Some low priority messages show up only on vehicle start-up to avoid distraction. In all cases, the RL owner can choose to read or listen to the message immediately, or archive it to be retrieved later.

A wide variety of messages can be sent to the RL, including Maintenance Minder (detailed information regarding your next required maintenance), Quick Tips (information to help you maximize the benefit and enjoyment of RL features), Feature Guide (supplements to the Owner's Manual), Diagnostic Info (detailed information and instruction should an onboard system issue arise), information regarding a service or repair required, and Service Appointment Reminders. The RL owner has complete control over the types of messages they receive. All AcuraLink(TM) preferences can be set via the Owner Link web site or on-board the RL.

Since the system allows two-way data communication between the RL and the Acura Telematics Server, AcuraLink(TM) can provide the owner with vital information that previously has been unavailable. For example, if a warning light should appear on the RL instrument panel, AcuraLink(TM) can be configured to automatically send a trouble code along with the sensor data associated with the fault to the Acura Telematics Server, which analyzes the code, then sends a message back to the RL, such as "An software issue has been detected. It is OK to continue driving. The repair is currently being developed, so you do not need to visit your dealer at this time. You will receive another AcuraLink(TM) message when it is time to visit your dealer to have the system repaired." This way, the owner knows if a particular fault is serious enough to cancel a trip, if it can be dealt with later or if it requires special driving techniques.

The 2005 Acura RL introduces AcuraLinkTM satellite communication system with real time traffic. AcuraLinkTM allows for two-way communication between Acura and the vehicle, providing customers with the latest information specific to their vehicle. In cases where communication to the Acura Telematics server is needed, the owner's Bluetooth cell phone is used (once the owner has enabled its data-transmission function).

An icon on the RL navigation display screen indicates an incoming message. Some low priority messages show up only on vehicle start-up to avoid distractions.

A wide variety of messages can be sent to the RL, including Maintenance Minder, Quick Tips, Feature Guide and Diagnostic Info. The RL owner can set their preferences for the types of messages they receive in their RL via a personal computer or the Owner Link web site.

Since the system allows two-way data communication between the RL and the Acura Telematics Server, AcuraLink(TM) can provide the owner with vital information that previously has been unavailable. For example, if an ABS/BRAKE warning light should appear on the RL instrument panel, AcuraLink(TM) will automatically send a trouble code to the Acura Telematics Server, which interprets the code, then sends a message back to the RL, such as "ABS and EBD shut down! Drive slowly. Avoid sudden hard braking." This way, the owner knows if a particular fault is serious enough to cancel a trip, if it can be dealt with later or if it requires special driving techniques. The data connection is enabled even if the monthly XM(R) service package is not in effect.

Real-Time Traffic Information

The navigation screen can display up-to-the-minute traffic information including flow (traffic speed where available), accidents, incident, construction and weather on freeways in 20 major metro areas. The information is aggregated by NAVTEQ(TM) from multiple sources including police and highway patrol accident reports and transportation departments and then transmitted by XM(R) satellites to the RL where it is graphically displayed on the navigation system from _ to 5 mile scale.

The RL owner can click on an icon on the map to see incident details. Traffic information is continuously updated, allowing drivers to avoid congestion en route and choose the fastest path to their destination.

With the average rush-hour commuter spending over 50 hours a year sitting in traffic, the system gives RL owners a useful timesaving tool on freeways. Unlike radio or television traffic reports, the real-time traffic system provides a constant flow of relevant information reflecting conditions along a driver's chosen route. Real-time traffic data services will be offered on a subscription basis for a nominal fee following a free trial period. Exact pricing information will be announced in fall 2004.

Cities with available real-time in-car traffic information
Atlanta
Baltimore*
Boston*
Chicago
Dallas* Detroit
Houston
Los Angeles
Miami*
Minneapolis/St. Paul New York
Philadelphia
Phoenix
Pittsburgh
San Diego San Francisco/Oakland
San Jose
Seattle
St Louis*
Washington D.C.

ACURA NAVIGATION SYSTEM WITH VOICE RECOGNITION(TM)

The RL is equipped with a new generation Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition(TM) that has more memory, and a faster processor. The RL navigation system also has extensive improvements to its performance, information content and ease of use.

Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition features summary:

8-inch screen for convenient viewing
Interface Dial simplifies control of the system and is accessible to driver and front seat passenger
Faster system start-up time
Faster route calculation and search speed
Expanded voice recognition function with over 560 navigation commands minimizes the need for manual character entry
Voice recognition system recognizes city and street names as spoken words
Seven million points of interest are stored on an updatable DVD
Business and recreation directory of virtually the entire continental United States complete with phone numbers
Audio system automatically mutes for turn-by-turn voice guidance in either male or female voice (which can be turned off at any time)
Destination memory recalls current trip addresses, previous destinations and user address books
Directory categories include restaurants (searchable by type of cuisine), lodging, shopping, airports, hospitals, recreation areas and much more
Zagat Survey(TM) restaurant guide provides detailed information and reviews on restaurants in database, which can be read on-screen or spoken over the audio system by a synthesized voice
Split-screen mode features a simultaneous "map view" and selective "3-D" route visualization
Voice Recognition operates key audio and climate control functions
Make calls to on-screen points of interest with HandsFreeLink
User selectable Day/Night screen or display off modes
Trip routing can include up to five user-chosen way points
Trip routing can avoid user-selected areas
Exit list shows what businesses are available at a given highway exit
On-screen picture of highway interchanges indicates which lane to use to stay on route
Larger on-screen fonts and buttons for better visibility
Greater map contrast and simplified visual presentation
System Operation

Based on positioning data from up to 12 orbiting Global Positioning Satellites (GPS), the Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition tracks the vehicle's position. If the GPS antenna is blocked by a tunnel, tall building or parking garage, an internal gyroscopic system and a speed sensor track the location of the vehicle to keep the mapping information current and reliable until satellite reception is restored. A DVD is located in the trunk in the system's ECU. Updated DVD data discs are available on an annual basis on-line or by calling a toll-free number.

The system can be controlled by voice, or by the Interface Dial. For voice operation, the driver simply presses the "Talk" button on the steering wheel and says any of a number of preset command phrases. The system responds to over 560 command phrases, as well as to spoken city and street names.

When the "Talk" button is pressed, the audio system is automatically muted, and an overhead microphone receives the command from the driver. Commands can be given in plain English, like "Display gas stations, "Find nearest hospital" or "Find nearest Chinese restaurant." You can choose to display points of interest on the map (like restaurants, or grocery stores, for example), or have the system provide turn-by-turn navigation-all by voice. The extensive point-of-interest database includes phone numbers, which can be dialed easily by using the HandsFreeLink(TM) system and the driver's cell phone.

The Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognitionc can also be controlled via the Interface Dial by choosing menu options or spelling out a word (e.g., an address, business name or place) using the Interface Dial much like a computer mouse to select characters from an on-screen keypad. Compared to the previous generation Acura navigation system, the RL system start-up time has been reduced and search speed increased significantly.

The onboard database has now been expanded to include a Zagat Survey Restaurant Guide, and the accuracy of all road data has been increased. The Interface Dial makes it easy to operate the system, and to find and select destinations. Expanded voice control saves time and simplifies operation of the system. Sophisticated voice recognition technology allows the RL owner to simply speak city and street names aloud, and the system responds by displaying matches available in the database.

KEYLESS ACCESS SYSTEM

One of the advanced new features of the RL is its Keyless Access System with driver recognition for driver's seat, steering wheel, outside mirrors, climate control, audio system settings and presets, and select navigation system settings. This feature allows the RL owner to gain access to the car without ever having to unlock it with the remote transmitter or key. The keyless remote has an electronic unique digital identity. The car can be unlocked when the driver grasps the front door with the keyless remote in his/her possession.
Once the driver has opened the door and been seated, the Keyless Access System allows him or her to start the RL by pushing and rotating the ignition switch, without inserting a key into the ignition.

To unlock the door, the driver must have the keyless remote in their possession. The remote can remain in a pocket or briefcase; it isn't necessary to have it in hand. The driver simply approaches the car and presses a raised dimple on either of the front door handles to unlock the door; grasping the door handle opens the door.

To lock the doors upon leaving the car, simply touch the raised dimple on outside of the door handle. Alternatively, you can press the Lock button on the keyless remote. All doors will lock simultaneously.

Approaching the driver's side allows the opening of the driver's door only; when approaching the passenger's side, all four doors can be opened. Via the Multi-information display's selectable unlocking feature, the RL owner can preset a preference to have all four doors unlock when the driver's door is approached.

To open the trunk, simply approach with the remote and pull the lever, and it will automatically unlock so you can open the lid. Note that the system will not allow the recognized transmitter to be locked in the trunk.

Preferences

The Acura RL comes with two keyless remotes. Each keyless remote can be set with a unique preference, for instance to accommodate the preferences of a husband and wife. The preferences include driver's seat, steering wheel and mirror positions, and select HVAC. Other preferences include turning entry lights on or off, and choosing a confirming beep when locking the doors. In the event both owners plan to use the car at the same time, the RL will recognize the keyless remote that approaches first.

Built-in Key

A built-in mechanical key is provided as a back up in the event that the keyless remote battery should fail. In this case the RL can be started with the built-in key. For security purposes when using a valet parking service, you can push a trunk lockout switch inside the glove box, and then lock the glove box and the trunk pass-through with the key. Take the built-in key from the keyless remote and keep it, then give the keyless remote to the attendant. The Valet will be unable to unlock the glove compartment or trunk using the keyless remote only.

ONSTAR(R) IN-VEHICLE COMMUNICATIONS AND ASSISTANCE SERVICE

The new RL has standard OnStar service in-vehicle communications and assistance service. The new generation of OnStar service can offer emergency assistance, accident notification, air bag deployment notification, stolen vehicle tracking, door unlock command and vehicle tracking, plus other features that provide an extra level of security and convenience.

Pressing an activation button located in the overhead console provides quick access to a live OnStar service advisor 24 hours a day. Using input from orbiting GPS satellites, the OnStar service advisor can easily pinpoint the location of the owner's vehicle to help provide assistance.

In the event of vehicle theft, subscribers need only contact the OnStar Center (after filing a police report) and provide a personal identification number. An OnStar service advisor can then pinpoint the car and direct authorities to its location.

The OnStar service system is integrated into the car's suite of electronic conveniences. This allows the system to dial phone numbers displayed on the navigation system by automatic voice command.

This version of OnStar service is equipped with a Digital/Analog Tri-mode phone. This means that in addition to Analog communication, the phone operates on both CDMA bands (Cellular and PCS) used by all CDMA digital networks in the US.

OnStar Personal Calling offers a hands-free, voice-activated, wireless phone that is built into the system in case the driver's hand-held cell phone is lost, forgotten or has a low battery. Personal Calling can be activated at the same time the OnStar service account is activated online, or by pressing the blue OnStar service button at anytime and talking to the Advisor. Pre-purchased minutes can be billed to a credit card. There is no activation fee or additional long distance or roaming charges.

In the RL, dialing numbers through OnStar Personal Calling has been greatly enhanced. Now customers can speak the phone digits they wish to dial in a steady stream, with no pauses (e.g., "2485551212"), rather than pausing between digits.

The RL comes with a free 1-year subscription to the Safe and Sound Plan (a $199 value). In addition, RL owners can choose to upgrade to the Directions and Connections Plan ($399 per year) which adds route support, convenience services and ride assist.

Finally, a Personal Calling Package, which includes wireless phone and "Virtual Advisor" Internet services, is available as part of both plans for an additional charge.

INTERIOR ACCESSORIES

A variety of high-quality genuine Acura accessories is available for the 2005 RL. Designed specifically for the vehicle, they add to luxury and improve the car's usefulness. The accessories include:

Ashtray (center console mounted)
Wood-Trim Steering Wheel (available in three colors to match interior colors)
Cargo Net
All-Season Floor Mats (choice of Black and Ivory)
Engine Block Heater
Trunk Tray
Wood Gear Selector Knob

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wow, that's great info. keep it coming if there's more. this info is the best of the day seeing as i suffered from food poisoning, and have to s**t about every 10 minutes. reading that was the perfect medicine, it's been 15 minutes now! Oracle really IS a heavenly figure .
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PAGE 5 MINE FOR THE TAKING!
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Price?
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Dang, no pics.
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soon to come according to our Honda/Acura savior
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Sorry, there will be a delay with the pics. The Sony digital needs the software before I can dl to the comp. Of course I don't have the software disk with me at the office. Sorry...later tonight
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10:00 PM Central Standard Time, means it's 8 pm out west. Anytime now. Hey I'm pretty excited .

::edit, it's for tomarrow. i thought it was but when oracle reported a delay i took it as if it was going to be tonight. don't mind this post, just an explanation.::
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Just saw the pics over at TOV. Interior remains almost the same as the concept...I'm not too thrilled about it, but it does look a lot nicer in gray than black, the aluminum doesn't seem to jump out at you as much. But in Acura's defense, they seem to have grasped the perfect recipe for wood and aluminum to blend well together, rather than clash (like some other interiors that tried to do the same). There's a shot of the rear and you can see the back of the front chairs...wow they look thickly bolstered. I also like the two-tone gray interior.

8/10 for the interior.

Some pictures of the exterior show the long front overhangs, which is a big departure from the current RL, and I think it cheapens the look. Other than that, it's nice and the look is quite imposing. Rear lights look nice, and if they're anything like the ones I saw in the concept, these pictures are not doing them any justice.

8/10 for the exterior.
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Having mentioned aluminum and weight saving in the description ad nauseum in the end it will still be the heaviest car in the bunch. The competitor list will be changed somewhat next spring (new M35 and GS300). Lots of tech goodies to please the nerds. We'll have to wait for the first review for the real deal.
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Wow, seems like only you and I are intersted in the RL.
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WOW! I might have to get rid of my TSX for the RL. Justin has me drooling with all the new specs and all. Now if only we could see the pics and the price tag.
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Originally Posted by yuhoo22
Now if only we could see the pics and the price tag.
Plenty of posts with info/speculation on that on here and the Acura site.
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Any guesses about 0-60 time? 4000 lbs is kinda heavy, isn't it?
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Any guesses about 0-60 time? 4000 lbs is kinda heavy, isn't it?
Two tons is a lot of weight to move.

It will hook up really well with AWD and 300hp on tap so I'm going to guess it will do mid 6's 0-60.
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In Canada, they just announced he MSRP of the new 05 RL will be $69,500, up from $55,800 for the 2004 3.5RL model That's a whopping ~24 % increase, an extraordinarily high price increase for a new model even though it offers vast improvements over the old.


I just got this. So is this about 49k here?
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
In Canada, they just announced he MSRP of the new 05 RL will be $69,500, up from $55,800 for the 2004 3.5RL model That's a whopping ~24 % increase, an extraordinarily high price increase for a new model even though it offers vast improvements over the old.


I just got this. So is this about 49k here?
How many options were there on the 04 cause with the 05 there are virtually none. And that $55 CDN seems pretty low to start with - lot less than the US MSRP. If the US MSRP is only going from 45K up to 49K with all the stuff standard on it, it's like a no increase at all. I wonder what people were actually paying for an 04 RL - cause I doubt there'll be any discounts for quite a while on the 05s.
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Check out www.acura.com they have updated their site.
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It seems like every review boast of this suposed great achievement of weight saving with descriptions like:

The new structure makes extensive use of high-tensile and super-high-tensile steel, helping the new sedan boast a 33-percent gain in body rigidity. With the additional technology systems to be added to the RL, weight was a key engineering focus addressed through aluminum hood, fenders, decklid, subframes, and bumper beams. Further pounds were shaved using magnesium for the cylinder head covers and seat frames, with the trickest dietary measure being a carbon-fiber-reinforced driveshaft. In the end, the RL picks up only 100 pounds over its FWD predecessor.

Honda could have just added the AWD system to the existing RL and the weight would have gone up by like 150lbs. I see very little in the weight savings achievment.

I don't know why their 0-60 time of 6s is estimated - they had the car to test why no real number?

And I guess the est. $48K MSRP s about right.


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