Nissan: GT-R News
03-31-2009 | 10:54 PM
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Higher Performance Version than SpecV on the Way...
From Worldcarfans...
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090331....-is-on-the-way
As hot as the Nissan GT-R SpecV is, it is not going to be the last word in the highly-engaging GT-R saga. After the InsideLine team spent some time driving the SpecV in Japan, their initial delight was turned into feverish excitement. This was caused by SpecV chief engineer Mr Kazutoshi Mizuno casually telling the team that "the SpecV, in contrast to what you might be thinking, is not the high-performance version of the GT-R."
The GT-R was launched in 2007 after a long period characterised by speculation and spy pictures. In its basic form it makes 353kW (480hp) and 588Nm of torque from its twin-turbo 3.8-litre V6 engine. The engine is mated to a six-speed dual clutch transmission and together they can hurl the AWD Nissan from 0 - 60mph in about 3.5 seconds. Top speed is estimated at around 309km/h.
In 2008 Nissan infamously claimed the production car lap record at the Nürburgring with a car that was said to be stock, bar one or two items. Additionally, it was reported that the SpecV was tested independently and, although inconclusive, found to be slower than the stock car around a famous Tsukuba race track.
Exactly what else can be done to extract more performance out of the GT-R is a mystery only Mizuno san and those close to him can solve for us.
The GT-R was launched in 2007 after a long period characterised by speculation and spy pictures. In its basic form it makes 353kW (480hp) and 588Nm of torque from its twin-turbo 3.8-litre V6 engine. The engine is mated to a six-speed dual clutch transmission and together they can hurl the AWD Nissan from 0 - 60mph in about 3.5 seconds. Top speed is estimated at around 309km/h.
In 2008 Nissan infamously claimed the production car lap record at the Nürburgring with a car that was said to be stock, bar one or two items. Additionally, it was reported that the SpecV was tested independently and, although inconclusive, found to be slower than the stock car around a famous Tsukuba race track.
Exactly what else can be done to extract more performance out of the GT-R is a mystery only Mizuno san and those close to him can solve for us.
04-01-2009 | 05:41 PM
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the last part was awesome...running circles around the gtr...ouch...
04-10-2009 | 01:06 AM
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GT-R Picked as 2009 World Performance Car of the Year
From Motor Authority...
http://www.motorauthority.com/2009-w...announced.html
Not to be outdone by the North American Car and Truck of the Year awards from the Detroit Auto Show, the organizers of the New York Auto Show are heavily promoting their own ‘World’ and ‘Performance’ titles and today revealed the winners for this year’s awards.
The Nissan GT-R was chosen from an initial entry list of 23 contenders nominated by 59 World Car jurors from twenty-five 25 countries throughout the world. Candidates for the World Performance Car award had to demonstrate a specific and overt Sports/Performance orientation. Furthermore, they had to also satisfy the same availability criteria as for the overall World Car award.
The jurors observed that the “Nissan GT-R stole the headlines in the sports car world in 2008. This GT-R – the R35 – throws even former GT-Rs into the weeds via an all-new 3.6L bi-turbo V6 providing 480hp and 430lb-ft of torque. The drive of the GT-R, especially on a track, reveals an incredibly flexible all-wheel-drive chassis that lays down the rubber whenever you request it. Acceleration to 60mph from a stop takes just 3.5 seconds, or a tick behind fellow Performance finalist the Corvette ZR1. For $77,000 it may be the world’s best enthusiast car”.
The top three contenders for the World Performance Car were the Nissan GT-R, the Corvette ZR1 and the Porsche 911 Carrera. Previous World Performance Car winners were the Audi R8 in 2008, the Audi RS4 in 2007 and the Porsche Cayman S in 2006.
2009 World Performance Car finalists:
- Audi RS 6 Avant
- BMW 135i Coupe / Cabriolet
- Corvette ZR1
- Lamborghini LP560-4 Gallardo
- Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG
- Mercedes-Benz SL 63 AMG
- Mitsubishi Evo X / Evo MR
- Nissan GT-R
- Porsche 911 Carrera
- Subaru Impreza WRX STI
The Nissan GT-R was chosen from an initial entry list of 23 contenders nominated by 59 World Car jurors from twenty-five 25 countries throughout the world. Candidates for the World Performance Car award had to demonstrate a specific and overt Sports/Performance orientation. Furthermore, they had to also satisfy the same availability criteria as for the overall World Car award.
The jurors observed that the “Nissan GT-R stole the headlines in the sports car world in 2008. This GT-R – the R35 – throws even former GT-Rs into the weeds via an all-new 3.6L bi-turbo V6 providing 480hp and 430lb-ft of torque. The drive of the GT-R, especially on a track, reveals an incredibly flexible all-wheel-drive chassis that lays down the rubber whenever you request it. Acceleration to 60mph from a stop takes just 3.5 seconds, or a tick behind fellow Performance finalist the Corvette ZR1. For $77,000 it may be the world’s best enthusiast car”.
The top three contenders for the World Performance Car were the Nissan GT-R, the Corvette ZR1 and the Porsche 911 Carrera. Previous World Performance Car winners were the Audi R8 in 2008, the Audi RS4 in 2007 and the Porsche Cayman S in 2006.
2009 World Performance Car finalists:
- Audi RS 6 Avant
- BMW 135i Coupe / Cabriolet
- Corvette ZR1
- Lamborghini LP560-4 Gallardo
- Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG
- Mercedes-Benz SL 63 AMG
- Mitsubishi Evo X / Evo MR
- Nissan GT-R
- Porsche 911 Carrera
- Subaru Impreza WRX STI
04-10-2009 | 01:09 AM
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Nissan Confirms Death of Sedan Idea
From Motor Authority...
http://www.motorauthority.com/report...-platform.html
Last year reports emerged claiming Nissan was seriously considering an Infiniti version of the GT-R supercar. The first hint came when Nissan’s global design Chief Shiro Nakamura revealed that managers were looking at the feasibility of a new high-end flagship saloon, and further speculation arose when a dealer in the United States confirmed that a meeting in Japan took place to discuss possible options for the future sedan. Those hopes have been shutdown for the foreseeable future today however, with an official statement on the matter.
At the New York Auto Show, Nissan's senior VP of sales and marketing, Brian Carolin, told Edmunds, "It's fair to say that there's nothing in the product plan for an Infiniti flagship right now. It's just not a priority in today's climate." Whether that also throws a wet blanket on the Essence as well is open to interpretation. The decision, at its root, is demand-driven, however: "Our dealers would rather have something with more volume," said Carolin. "Twelve months ago they would have said yes. Now it's way down on their wish list."
The GT-R is loosely based on Nissan's flexible FM platform but it contains so many unique elements that engineers have a separate name for the platform - PM premium midship. Nissan has admitted that the GT-R is a non-profitable model, which was thought to be part of the reason that the company would like to develop more models based on its expensive hardware.
An inside source at Nissan had previously revealed that a GT-R sedan was in the works, but it would miss out on the supercar’s 473hp (388kW) twin-turbo V6 engine to help bring down the cost. The Infiniti four-door GT-R would have been targeted at high-performance saloons like the BMW M5 and Porsche Panamera.
At the New York Auto Show, Nissan's senior VP of sales and marketing, Brian Carolin, told Edmunds, "It's fair to say that there's nothing in the product plan for an Infiniti flagship right now. It's just not a priority in today's climate." Whether that also throws a wet blanket on the Essence as well is open to interpretation. The decision, at its root, is demand-driven, however: "Our dealers would rather have something with more volume," said Carolin. "Twelve months ago they would have said yes. Now it's way down on their wish list."
The GT-R is loosely based on Nissan's flexible FM platform but it contains so many unique elements that engineers have a separate name for the platform - PM premium midship. Nissan has admitted that the GT-R is a non-profitable model, which was thought to be part of the reason that the company would like to develop more models based on its expensive hardware.
An inside source at Nissan had previously revealed that a GT-R sedan was in the works, but it would miss out on the supercar’s 473hp (388kW) twin-turbo V6 engine to help bring down the cost. The Infiniti four-door GT-R would have been targeted at high-performance saloons like the BMW M5 and Porsche Panamera.
05-11-2009 | 11:18 PM
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GT-R ends 5-year streak for Porsche at One Lap of America
From Motor Authority...
http://www.motorauthority.com/nissan...f-america.html
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The 2009 TireRack One Lap of America challenge saw everything from an Ultima GTR to the winning Nissan GT-R hit tracks all across the U.S. in a modern-day homage to the legendary Cannonball. The win by the Nissan puts an end to a five-year stint at the top by Porsche 911s, and kicks the Nissan-Porsche rivalry into an even higher gear.
The win comes as the five-time winning Porsche team of Drew Wikstrom and Mark Davia take a year off, however, so fans of the marque from Stuttgart will have a crutch to fall back on. Nissan nuts will still point out that the GT-R beat out the much more expensive Porsche 996 911 GT2 piloted by Peter Lier and Ian Stewart as well as the BMW M3, Subaru Impreza WRX and Corvette Z06 that rounded out the top five.
To get back to the last non-Porsche overall winner of the One Lap you have to look to 2003, when an MTI Z07-package Chevrolet Corvette Z06 won the overall, followed closely by a Z06, a Viper in third and RUF RGT Porsche in fourth.
This year, the winning GT-R won with a healty 205-point margin with 5,215 total points scored. The points for the One Lap are awarded on a system similar to that used in NASCAR, with the winner of each event getting points equal to five times the number of entrants. Second place and every place thereafter gets 5 fewer points, until the points reach zero.
For more on the event and its history, check out our original story here. Surprisingly, the Switzer Performance GT-R detailed in that article only managed to finish 29th, despite some serious power under the hood and driving talent behind the wheel.
The win comes as the five-time winning Porsche team of Drew Wikstrom and Mark Davia take a year off, however, so fans of the marque from Stuttgart will have a crutch to fall back on. Nissan nuts will still point out that the GT-R beat out the much more expensive Porsche 996 911 GT2 piloted by Peter Lier and Ian Stewart as well as the BMW M3, Subaru Impreza WRX and Corvette Z06 that rounded out the top five.
To get back to the last non-Porsche overall winner of the One Lap you have to look to 2003, when an MTI Z07-package Chevrolet Corvette Z06 won the overall, followed closely by a Z06, a Viper in third and RUF RGT Porsche in fourth.
This year, the winning GT-R won with a healty 205-point margin with 5,215 total points scored. The points for the One Lap are awarded on a system similar to that used in NASCAR, with the winner of each event getting points equal to five times the number of entrants. Second place and every place thereafter gets 5 fewer points, until the points reach zero.
For more on the event and its history, check out our original story here. Surprisingly, the Switzer Performance GT-R detailed in that article only managed to finish 29th, despite some serious power under the hood and driving talent behind the wheel.
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05-12-2009 | 05:34 AM
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It is cheating when the car can drive itself 
It does kinda make you wonder why that Porsche team took the year off though...
The One Lap of America doesn't make me want the GT-R over a 911s
It does kinda make you wonder why that Porsche team took the year off though...
The One Lap of America doesn't make me want the GT-R over a 911s
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05-12-2009 | 08:58 AM
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GT-R ends 5-year streak for Porsche at One Lap of America
From Motor Authority...
http://www.motorauthority.com/nissan...f-america.html
From Motor Authority...
http://www.motorauthority.com/nissan...f-america.html
btw I went to the event at Autobahn CC in Joliet - got some shots. Didn't see the GTR's run though, got there just a tad too late.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/delobbo...7617533983129/
05-14-2009 | 10:17 PM
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Nissan Claims New 'Ring Lap Record...
From Leftlanenews...
Adding to the drama that is the GT-R at the Nurburgring, Nissan announced on Thursday that the GT-R Series II has lowered its lap time to 7 minutes 26 seconds. Nissan engineers recently lowered the GT-R’s lap time from 7 minutes 29 seconds to 7 minutes 27 seconds, but apparently found the supercar had a little more to give.
Nissan failed to give the exact specs of the car that laid down the new record time, but it is believed to be bone stock – save for optional Rays forged alloys from the SpecV model. “This record demonstrates our commitment to the continuous evolution of the Nissan GT-R,” Kazutoshi Mizuno, Nissan’s chief vehicle engineer and chief vehicle specialist, said in a statement.
Although the new time places the GT-R in a rarified class, it still sits behind two lumps of Detroit iron. The Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 has traversed the Nurburgring in just 7 minutes 22.4 seconds with the Dodge Viper ACR completing the 13-mile trip in just 7 minutes 22.1 seconds.
No word if Porsche will take issue with Nissan’s latest GT-R claim.
Nissan failed to give the exact specs of the car that laid down the new record time, but it is believed to be bone stock – save for optional Rays forged alloys from the SpecV model. “This record demonstrates our commitment to the continuous evolution of the Nissan GT-R,” Kazutoshi Mizuno, Nissan’s chief vehicle engineer and chief vehicle specialist, said in a statement.
Although the new time places the GT-R in a rarified class, it still sits behind two lumps of Detroit iron. The Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 has traversed the Nurburgring in just 7 minutes 22.4 seconds with the Dodge Viper ACR completing the 13-mile trip in just 7 minutes 22.1 seconds.
No word if Porsche will take issue with Nissan’s latest GT-R claim.
05-14-2009 | 11:27 PM
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I think at this point you basically have to be a badge whore to want a 911 over a GT-R. I mean, I guess I can see the appeal of pulling up to your favorite club and mentioning to every one who will listen, "Didja see my new Porsche outside, you know there is no substitute", but honestly I'd rather drive a better car myself!
I'll just put my flamesuit on now....
I'll just put my flamesuit on now....
05-15-2009 | 07:11 AM
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05-15-2009 | 03:52 PM
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I think at this point you basically have to be a badge whore to want a 911 over a GT-R. I mean, I guess I can see the appeal of pulling up to your favorite club and mentioning to every one who will listen, "Didja see my new Porsche outside, you know there is no substitute", but honestly I'd rather drive a better car myself!
I'll just put my flamesuit on now....
I'll just put my flamesuit on now....
Before anyone says "yeah but it looks just like a ordinary Corvette and you see those everywhere" or "old dudes drive them" but no one ever mentions how an M3 or an RS4 essentially looks the same. Plus I see tons of 3-series out there, way more than Vettes. There is a double standard when it comes to badges though. I can tell a 328i from an M3 and a Corvette from a Z06, both from 50+ feet away.
I never liked the way the GT-R looked, and its something I can't put up with, price, performance, maintenance, etc. aside. If you like it then all the more power to you. I would never get a GT-R or even a 911 over a Z06 or a Viper. I thought the GT-R looked bad in pictures.... it looks even worse in real life. On the other hand, the Z06 and Viper have a presence that is definitely felt when one of them drives by. Nothing like the ferocious ground-shaking roar of a big displacement engine to tighten the pants up.
05-15-2009 | 04:05 PM
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LOL, i parked my carrera next to a speed yellow z06 at my office today and at first i was just like, "whatever, another yellow vette." the z06 insiginia is so small along the front panel as to be almost hardly noticeable. first thing i noticed was huge wheels and red brake calipers just like mine hehe. you definitely get the most bang for your buck but i would never drive a vette personally the way you wouldn't drive a p-car.
i can't agree with you enough on how fugly the gtr is, even more so in real life. i've driven my friend's gtr and it just feels heavy and bloated on surface streets and it still doesn't have 3 pedals. i have a picture of the gtr in front of my crib with my GF looking on with disdain as she mutters "thank god you got the porsche" LOL
i love porsche and will prolly always own one but thankfully not everyone shares my opinion or the automotive world would be a much more boring place
LOL, i parked my carrera next to a speed yellow z06 at my office today and at first i was just like, "whatever, another yellow vette." the z06 insiginia is so small along the front panel as to be almost hardly noticeable. first thing i noticed was huge wheels and red brake calipers just like mine hehe. you definitely get the most bang for your buck but i would never drive a vette personally the way you wouldn't drive a p-car.
i can't agree with you enough on how fugly the gtr is, even more so in real life. i've driven my friend's gtr and it just feels heavy and bloated on surface streets and it still doesn't have 3 pedals. i have a picture of the gtr in front of my crib with my GF looking on with disdain as she mutters "thank god you got the porsche" LOL
i love porsche and will prolly always own one but thankfully not everyone shares my opinion or the automotive world would be a much more boring place
05-15-2009 | 04:13 PM
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I think at this point you basically have to be a badge whore to want a 911 over a GT-R. I mean, I guess I can see the appeal of pulling up to your favorite club and mentioning to every one who will listen, "Didja see my new Porsche outside, you know there is no substitute", but honestly I'd rather drive a better car myself!
I'll just put my flamesuit on now....
I'll just put my flamesuit on now....
I dont see how being a badge whore is any worse than sackriding someone elses track times.
Guess in both cases its all about bragging rights.
Viper ACR is faster but you wouldnt see me buying one nor would i say its a better car.
05-15-2009 | 04:29 PM
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I think at this point you basically have to be a badge whore to want a 911 over a GT-R. I mean, I guess I can see the appeal of pulling up to your favorite club and mentioning to every one who will listen, "Didja see my new Porsche outside, you know there is no substitute", but honestly I'd rather drive a better car myself!
I'll just put my flamesuit on now....
I'll just put my flamesuit on now....
<-----Badge whore and enough aesthetic sense to avoid the visual monstrosity that is the GTR.
05-15-2009 | 06:55 PM
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911 non-turbo, non GT2, non GT3 = overpriced, underperforming GT cruiser. LMAO, shoulda bought a SL550 instead.
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05-15-2009 | 07:18 PM
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Aesthetic sense is subjective, but you sure like to make it known that you have great taste in cars and that everyone else must have no taste. Don't forget there's a certain mechanical precision in the silhouette/cuts of the GT-R that appeals to the others. It just exudes "I'll eat your slow-ass porsche's lunch while your wife gapes out the passenger window, with ease." Oh and vroom!, a cayman s also just blew past you and cannibalizes your notch on the performance totem pole.
911 non-turbo, non GT2, non GT3 = overpriced, underperforming GT cruiser. LMAO, shoulda bought a SL550 instead.
911 non-turbo, non GT2, non GT3 = overpriced, underperforming GT cruiser. LMAO, shoulda bought a SL550 instead.
Since i don't plan on doing laps on the Nordschleife anytime soon, i guess i'm not an enamored by "how fast a car goes around the 'ring" and where it's position is on the proverbial totem pole.
Also I guess if you're into anime and gundam you might like the looks of GTR, to each his own.
And as I said earlier
05-15-2009 | 08:23 PM
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Aesthetic sense is subjective, but you sure like to make it known that you have great taste in cars and that everyone else must have no taste. Don't forget there's a certain mechanical precision in the silhouette/cuts of the GT-R that appeals to the others. It just exudes "I'll eat your slow-ass porsche's lunch while your wife gapes out the passenger window, with ease." Oh and vroom!, a cayman s also just blew past you and cannibalizes your notch on the performance totem pole.
911 non-turbo, non GT2, non GT3 = overpriced, underperforming GT cruiser. LMAO, shoulda bought a SL550 instead.
911 non-turbo, non GT2, non GT3 = overpriced, underperforming GT cruiser. LMAO, shoulda bought a SL550 instead.
You speak like a 16 year old.
05-15-2009 | 11:42 PM
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05-15-2009 | 11:53 PM
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Personally I probably will never buy a Porsche, I just find better value, performance and sound in a Corvette. Even better, a Z06. I'm not going to be racing around on the street, I want something that looks and sounds bad ass.
Before anyone says "yeah but it looks just like a ordinary Corvette and you see those everywhere" or "old dudes drive them" but no one ever mentions how an M3 or an RS4 essentially looks the same. Plus I see tons of 3-series out there, way more than Vettes. There is a double standard when it comes to badges though. I can tell a 328i from an M3 and a Corvette from a Z06, both from 50+ feet away.
I never liked the way the GT-R looked, and its something I can't put up with, price, performance, maintenance, etc. aside. If you like it then all the more power to you. I would never get a GT-R or even a 911 over a Z06 or a Viper. I thought the GT-R looked bad in pictures.... it looks even worse in real life. On the other hand, the Z06 and Viper have a presence that is definitely felt when one of them drives by. Nothing like the ferocious ground-shaking roar of a big displacement engine to tighten the pants up.
Before anyone says "yeah but it looks just like a ordinary Corvette and you see those everywhere" or "old dudes drive them" but no one ever mentions how an M3 or an RS4 essentially looks the same. Plus I see tons of 3-series out there, way more than Vettes. There is a double standard when it comes to badges though. I can tell a 328i from an M3 and a Corvette from a Z06, both from 50+ feet away.
I never liked the way the GT-R looked, and its something I can't put up with, price, performance, maintenance, etc. aside. If you like it then all the more power to you. I would never get a GT-R or even a 911 over a Z06 or a Viper. I thought the GT-R looked bad in pictures.... it looks even worse in real life. On the other hand, the Z06 and Viper have a presence that is definitely felt when one of them drives by. Nothing like the ferocious ground-shaking roar of a big displacement engine to tighten the pants up.
The LS7 Z06 however, it WILL be mine someday, and I detest American cars for the most part outside of classics.
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05-16-2009 | 08:57 AM
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I don't have a problem with the GTR's styling. It's not a beautiful car, but it is big, aggressive and unique. I consider it to have styling that is worthy of a Japanese near supercar.
If I had $70k to spend on a car, which I don't, I would certainly consider the GTR. From what I have read, it is easier for a normal driver to extract a high level of performance from the GTR than from its competitors. I don't understand the disdain by some on this board for the GTR. It brings supercar performance down to a reasonably affordable level. How can any enthusiast not like that?
If I had $70k to spend on a car, which I don't, I would certainly consider the GTR. From what I have read, it is easier for a normal driver to extract a high level of performance from the GTR than from its competitors. I don't understand the disdain by some on this board for the GTR. It brings supercar performance down to a reasonably affordable level. How can any enthusiast not like that?
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05-16-2009 | 11:59 AM
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I don't have a problem with the GTR's styling. It's not a beautiful car, but it is big, aggressive and unique. I consider it to have styling that is worthy of a Japanese near supercar.
If I had $70k to spend on a car, which I don't, I would certainly consider the GTR. From what I have read, it is easier for a normal driver to extract a high level of performance from the GTR than from its competitors. I don't understand the disdain by some on this board for the GTR. It brings supercar performance down to a reasonably affordable level. How can any enthusiast not like that?
If I had $70k to spend on a car, which I don't, I would certainly consider the GTR. From what I have read, it is easier for a normal driver to extract a high level of performance from the GTR than from its competitors. I don't understand the disdain by some on this board for the GTR. It brings supercar performance down to a reasonably affordable level. How can any enthusiast not like that?
05-16-2009 | 01:36 PM
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FWIW, I think 911s and Corvettes look GREAT. One is the embodiment of the quintessential German sports car and the other, the quintessential American sports car. They both look purposefully built for speed.
As for differentiation, I can easily tell a Z06 or ZR1 apart from a regular vette just as easily as I can tell a GT3/RS from a regular 911. The much wider stance, hood scoop/see through cover are all apparent on the Z06/ZR1.
05-16-2009 | 03:33 PM
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Really? I think GT-R is pretty boss in the metal. Its a huge, menacing looking tank of a car. I think they draw attention just as effectively as anything else mentioned. From technical/powertrain standpoint it doesn't speak to me that much, but I respect any carmaker from Japan with the wontons to build a supercar just as well.
The LS7 Z06 however, it WILL be mine someday, and I detest American cars for the most part outside of classics.
The LS7 Z06 however, it WILL be mine someday, and I detest American cars for the most part outside of classics.
I am glad that Nissan did come out with the GT-R though. Regardless of styling or the questions about its true performance, it has raised the bar and shows Nissan flexing its muscles. Thankfully Nissan has the balls to still come out with a car like this, unlike Toyota who has essentially left their loyal enthusiasts of the 80's and 90's scratching their heads
I don't have a problem with the GTR's styling. It's not a beautiful car, but it is big, aggressive and unique. I consider it to have styling that is worthy of a Japanese near supercar.
If I had $70k to spend on a car, which I don't, I would certainly consider the GTR. From what I have read, it is easier for a normal driver to extract a high level of performance from the GTR than from its competitors. I don't understand the disdain by some on this board for the GTR. It brings supercar performance down to a reasonably affordable level. How can any enthusiast not like that?
If I had $70k to spend on a car, which I don't, I would certainly consider the GTR. From what I have read, it is easier for a normal driver to extract a high level of performance from the GTR than from its competitors. I don't understand the disdain by some on this board for the GTR. It brings supercar performance down to a reasonably affordable level. How can any enthusiast not like that?
Its a whole nother topic in itself, but basically I could care less for a transmission in which I can't row my own gears. I'd rather have a dual-clutch transmission than an automatic, but again....
I have never had a problem with any of Nissan's cars, and I've never owned one either in case someone thinks I'm bitter. If anything, I'm a huge Nissan fan. But people hail it as the second coming of Christ, and approve of its lap times without a doubt in their minds. I'll try not to name any names here but there are a few select posters on AZ that make posts that I agree with most of the time.... then when it comes to the GT-R, it seems as if they throw all logic out the window when trying to debate with someone who doesn't speak favorably about it.
05-16-2009 | 05:41 PM
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I assume this was directed towards me?? Purely opinions. Every one is entitled to them. You make a comment others are entitled to their response.
05-16-2009 | 05:48 PM
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The design has always irritated me, even back when it was only a concept. I don't like the awkward, pointy a-pillar/roof merge or the roof profile. While I overall still like the Mk. 5 GTI and B5 A4, I've always disliked the whole matte black front lip/rocker panel/rear lip look. Its a visual cue which I assume is designed to make the sides look not as tall and I see right through it. The front fascia and fenders look awkward.... the lines on this car hardly complement each other. The only part I like is the rear. The indents in the bumper above the exhaust tips blend in nicely with the exhaust tip surrounds, the diffuser is a nice visual touch, and I really like the LED taillights. Even though I'm generally not a fan of spoilers, I think it's pulled off well.
I am glad that Nissan did come out with the GT-R though. Regardless of styling or the questions about its true performance, it has raised the bar and shows Nissan flexing its muscles. Thankfully Nissan has the balls to still come out with a car like this, unlike Toyota who has essentially left their loyal enthusiasts of the 80's and 90's scratching their heads
As a huge Skyline fan, I'm disappointed that when Nissan finally brings a GT-R stateside, it comes with my aforementioned criticisms, like polarizing styling, and no 6-speed manual? Even GT-R loyalists will admit that its not a pretty car. IMO the NSX defined styling that is worthy of a Japanese near-supercar. Sleek and sexy.... even ordinary non-car people who can appreciate beautiful cars but couldn't tell the difference between a Lamborghini and a Ferrari would think an NSX is beautiful if they saw it.
Its a whole nother topic in itself, but basically I could care less for a transmission in which I can't row my own gears. I'd rather have a dual-clutch transmission than an automatic, but again....
I have never had a problem with any of Nissan's cars, and I've never owned one either in case someone thinks I'm bitter. If anything, I'm a huge Nissan fan. But people hail it as the second coming of Christ, and approve of its lap times without a doubt in their minds. I'll try not to name any names here but there are a few select posters on AZ that make posts that I agree with most of the time.... then when it comes to the GT-R, it seems as if they throw all logic out the window when trying to debate with someone who doesn't speak favorably about it.
wow....
I am glad that Nissan did come out with the GT-R though. Regardless of styling or the questions about its true performance, it has raised the bar and shows Nissan flexing its muscles. Thankfully Nissan has the balls to still come out with a car like this, unlike Toyota who has essentially left their loyal enthusiasts of the 80's and 90's scratching their heads
As a huge Skyline fan, I'm disappointed that when Nissan finally brings a GT-R stateside, it comes with my aforementioned criticisms, like polarizing styling, and no 6-speed manual? Even GT-R loyalists will admit that its not a pretty car. IMO the NSX defined styling that is worthy of a Japanese near-supercar. Sleek and sexy.... even ordinary non-car people who can appreciate beautiful cars but couldn't tell the difference between a Lamborghini and a Ferrari would think an NSX is beautiful if they saw it.
Its a whole nother topic in itself, but basically I could care less for a transmission in which I can't row my own gears. I'd rather have a dual-clutch transmission than an automatic, but again....
I have never had a problem with any of Nissan's cars, and I've never owned one either in case someone thinks I'm bitter. If anything, I'm a huge Nissan fan. But people hail it as the second coming of Christ, and approve of its lap times without a doubt in their minds. I'll try not to name any names here but there are a few select posters on AZ that make posts that I agree with most of the time.... then when it comes to the GT-R, it seems as if they throw all logic out the window when trying to debate with someone who doesn't speak favorably about it.
wow....
The bottomline is that the GT-R takes Japanese performance to an all new level that puts it on par with the major league players such as the 911 Turbo, F430 and Z06. As I look around I don't see anything else coming from the Land of the Rising son that comes close.....unless of course one counts modded MKIVs. (I'm willing to wager if it had a Honda or Acura badge along with a TL/RL hideous grill there'd be less hatorade in the mix here.
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05-16-2009 | 09:52 PM
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As a huge Skyline fan, I'm disappointed that when Nissan finally brings a GT-R stateside, it comes with my aforementioned criticisms, like polarizing styling, and no 6-speed manual? Even GT-R loyalists will admit that its not a pretty car. IMO the NSX defined styling that is worthy of a Japanese near-supercar. Sleek and sexy.... even ordinary non-car people who can appreciate beautiful cars but couldn't tell the difference between a Lamborghini and a Ferrari would think an NSX is beautiful if they saw it.
05-16-2009 | 09:52 PM
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I don't think anyone here holds the GT-R in quite the same regard. (In the past, a number of Hondaphiles did hold the ITR in that regard...ironically and unjustifiably.)
The bottomline is that the GT-R takes Japanese performance to an all new level that puts it on par with the major league players such as the 911 Turbo, F430 and Z06. As I look around I don't see anything else coming from the Land of the Rising son that comes close.....unless of course one counts modded MKIVs. (I'm willing to wager if it had a Honda or Acura badge along with a TL/RL hideous grill there'd be less hatorade in the mix here. )
The bottomline is that the GT-R takes Japanese performance to an all new level that puts it on par with the major league players such as the 911 Turbo, F430 and Z06. As I look around I don't see anything else coming from the Land of the Rising son that comes close.....unless of course one counts modded MKIVs. (I'm willing to wager if it had a Honda or Acura badge along with a TL/RL hideous grill there'd be less hatorade in the mix here.
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Btw, I agree that the GT-R is by no means a beautiful car. But it is a badass looking car in a distinctly Japanese sort of way. Costco mentioned the NSX in comparison and, while it is a beautiful car, don't foret that Honda was basically just ripping off Ferrari at the time they designed it. Hardly an homage to Japanese culture and design. The GTR though isn't trying to be another mid-engined italian exotic. It stays true to the Japanese culture of advanced technolgy and style.
I don't have a problem with anybody hating the car (every opinion is a valid one) but to deny its performance is ignorant. The GT-R and the Z06 together represent the absolute best of the best in terms of performance per dollar. You can't go wrong with either of them.
05-16-2009 | 10:29 PM
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I can admit I've done a good amount of hating in here. It's not like I can't have an opinion. My main quip with the GT-R - as I have consistently stated - is that it weighs too much. I feel Nissan could have made a more efficient car which was just as fast and didn't need as many electronics to keep it under control if they had made it lighter and focused on other race-specific details of the car. Sure the GT-R handles awesome and everything but that's because of electronics. Physics is physics - inertia is inertia - mass is mass. The electronics are causing the car to perform wonderfully. That is just not how I like to see performance happen. I guess I have more interest in the amount of control available to the driver - I don't want to hit a button that lets me plow into a corner at an outrageous speed and the car corrects all of my error(s) through electronics. That doesn't make much sense to me. I WANT a car that bites back at me when I push it the wrong way - and I think this is GOOD - this helps you know and understand the limits of your car. Of course, you would only want to find out about this at a racetrack.
That being said, YES, it was a milestone in sports cars and YES it is quite an achievement for Nissan. I have no problem admitting that. They DID bring supercar performance at an "affordable" price. and I do give Nissan kudos for achieving such a feat. I just wish, they would have approached it from a different angle.
If I was offered a GT-R or a Z06, I'd take the Z06. I would rather have the visceral beastly qualities of the Z06 than the video game automatic type of qualities of the GT-R. My personal preference.
That being said, YES, it was a milestone in sports cars and YES it is quite an achievement for Nissan. I have no problem admitting that. They DID bring supercar performance at an "affordable" price. and I do give Nissan kudos for achieving such a feat. I just wish, they would have approached it from a different angle.
If I was offered a GT-R or a Z06, I'd take the Z06. I would rather have the visceral beastly qualities of the Z06 than the video game automatic type of qualities of the GT-R. My personal preference.
05-17-2009 | 01:50 PM
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IMO, none of the previous Skyline GTRs were particularly attractive cars. I actually like the current GTR more than any of the older versions. Considering that the GTR was never known for wonderful aesthetics, I'm surprised that so many people are surprised that the new GTR doesn't look like an Aston Martin.
To each his own I guess. Personally if they were the same price I would take a same-condition R34 GT-R over the new GT-R any day of the week.
I don't have a problem with anybody hating the car (every opinion is a valid one) but to deny its performance is ignorant. The GT-R and the Z06 together represent the absolute best of the best in terms of performance per dollar. You can't go wrong with either of them.
they're both two great cars that come in 2 different flavors for each crowdI can admit I've done a good amount of hating in here. It's not like I can't have an opinion. My main quip with the GT-R - as I have consistently stated - is that it weighs too much. I feel Nissan could have made a more efficient car which was just as fast and didn't need as many electronics to keep it under control if they had made it lighter and focused on other race-specific details of the car. Sure the GT-R handles awesome and everything but that's because of electronics. Physics is physics - inertia is inertia - mass is mass. The electronics are causing the car to perform wonderfully. That is just not how I like to see performance happen. I guess I have more interest in the amount of control available to the driver - I don't want to hit a button that lets me plow into a corner at an outrageous speed and the car corrects all of my error(s) through electronics. That doesn't make much sense to me. I WANT a car that bites back at me when I push it the wrong way - and I think this is GOOD - this helps you know and understand the limits of your car. Of course, you would only want to find out about this at a racetrack.
That being said, YES, it was a milestone in sports cars and YES it is quite an achievement for Nissan. I have no problem admitting that. They DID bring supercar performance at an "affordable" price. and I do give Nissan kudos for achieving such a feat. I just wish, they would have approached it from a different angle.
If I was offered a GT-R or a Z06, I'd take the Z06. I would rather have the visceral beastly qualities of the Z06 than the video game automatic type of qualities of the GT-R. My personal preference.
That being said, YES, it was a milestone in sports cars and YES it is quite an achievement for Nissan. I have no problem admitting that. They DID bring supercar performance at an "affordable" price. and I do give Nissan kudos for achieving such a feat. I just wish, they would have approached it from a different angle.
If I was offered a GT-R or a Z06, I'd take the Z06. I would rather have the visceral beastly qualities of the Z06 than the video game automatic type of qualities of the GT-R. My personal preference.
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05-18-2009 | 11:47 PM
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I don't think anyone expected AM-esque styling.... but the styling of the R32, R33 and R34 and even the old C110 instantly caught my eye the first time I saw them. I've seen the R32-R33-R34 and the new GT-R in person, all up close and personal in stock form. I was more excited with the mystique of the GT-R, but I was disappointed with the styling... I'd hoped it would grow on me in person but it didn't.
To each his own I guess. Personally if they were the same price I would take a same-condition R34 GT-R over the new GT-R any day of the week.
To each his own I guess. Personally if they were the same price I would take a same-condition R34 GT-R over the new GT-R any day of the week.
11-17-2009 | 09:52 PM
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2011 Nissan GT-R SpecM May Crack $200,000 Mark
From Motor Authority: http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...ck-200000-mark
Earlier this year we saw the introduction of the limited-production GT-R SpecV model, a stripped down version of the already extreme Japanese supercar designed for hardcore club racers and performance nuts. As previous GT-R generations have shown, however, Nissan was never going to rest with just one special edition of its halo model. New info revealed today gives us even more info on the luxury-oriented SpecM.
Spied recently testing at the Nurburgring, the SpecM will retain the same core performance package of the GT-R, but with a host of upgraded features--high-end audio, upgraded interior materials and a generally 'bespoke' feel. The only visible changes are likely to be a set of new bumpers, both front and rear. If you look closely at the spy shots, you will notice small vents positioned in the rear bumper near the exhaust tips.
While the SpecV is focused on reducing weight, the SpecM will be focused on increasing comfort. Expect to see a revised suspension package, slightly more biased to a civil city ride, in addition to the upgraded interior with new trim options and colors, as well as unique seats and special items. The SpecM will be all about customization and as such almost every car will be different--something similar to Ferrari’s One-to-One and Lamborghini’s Ad Personam customization programs.
As for the SpecM, the mechanical package should remain unchanged to the standard GT-R’s, which means we can expect an output of 485 horsepower and 434 pound-feet of torque.
The biggest difference, however, between the standard GT-R and new SpecM will be the price. According to a new report, the SpecM will be more expensive than the SpecV, which is already double the price of the standard GT-R in Japan. Expect a pricetag around the ¥18,000,000 mark (approximately $ 201,691)--exotic supercar territory. More details should be forthcoming closer to the car’s expected launch early next year.
Spied recently testing at the Nurburgring, the SpecM will retain the same core performance package of the GT-R, but with a host of upgraded features--high-end audio, upgraded interior materials and a generally 'bespoke' feel. The only visible changes are likely to be a set of new bumpers, both front and rear. If you look closely at the spy shots, you will notice small vents positioned in the rear bumper near the exhaust tips.
While the SpecV is focused on reducing weight, the SpecM will be focused on increasing comfort. Expect to see a revised suspension package, slightly more biased to a civil city ride, in addition to the upgraded interior with new trim options and colors, as well as unique seats and special items. The SpecM will be all about customization and as such almost every car will be different--something similar to Ferrari’s One-to-One and Lamborghini’s Ad Personam customization programs.
As for the SpecM, the mechanical package should remain unchanged to the standard GT-R’s, which means we can expect an output of 485 horsepower and 434 pound-feet of torque.
The biggest difference, however, between the standard GT-R and new SpecM will be the price. According to a new report, the SpecM will be more expensive than the SpecV, which is already double the price of the standard GT-R in Japan. Expect a pricetag around the ¥18,000,000 mark (approximately $ 201,691)--exotic supercar territory. More details should be forthcoming closer to the car’s expected launch early next year.
How nice can they really make the interior, it already has an ugly design to begin with.