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12-14-2011 | 07:41 AM
#2601
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American Honda has no wish to pay for ads that portray its products as ‘cheap’ or ‘low-end’ vehicles. This may be appropriate for other manufacturers; it is not appropriate for the Honda and Acura brands,
but at the same time it is reflected in the resale value of Honda products.
12-14-2011 | 08:19 AM
#2602
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When everyone from Toyota to Hyundai went hybrid route. VW created its own market.
http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/...tpaces-supply/
Demand for diesel Passat outpaces supply
Wayne Dickey ordered a diesel-powered Passat SEL in early September and was told it would take six weeks to arrive.
But as Christmas approaches, the Foley, Ala., man still doesn't have his car, and now his dealer said it will be January.
"They need to actually sell cars to make a profit, don't they?" he asked.
Dickey and other buyers like him are caught in a classic case of supply and demand, officials said.
The Passat TDI, which is made at Volkswagen's Chattanooga assembly plant, is selling at double the anticipated rate, said Carsten Krebs, VW Group of America's corporate communications director.
He said the plant is trying to crank up production.
"At present, consumer demand for the Passat is outpacing our ability to produce the vehicle," Krebs said. "We are working closely with our suppliers and our manufacturing teams to increase capacity as quickly as we can."
According to VW, the plant is producing Passats at a rate of 450 or more cars daily.
Ron Kwiatkowski, new vehicle sales manager at Village Volkswagen in Chattanooga, said if a buyer walks into the dealership and orders a top-of-the-line Passat TDI SEL, it could take three or four months to receive.
"It's hot as a pistol," Kwiatkowski said. "Diesel is hot as can be whether Jetta or Passat."
He said, for example, that a customer who ordered a Passat TDI in August just received it.
Jonathan Browning, VW Group of America's chief executive, said earlier this month in Chattanooga that Passat sold 6,000 units in November and the company is pleased with its sales momentum.
"It's ahead of our plan," Browning said. "The TDI is extremely well received. Clearly, there's strong demand there that we'll be looking to respond to."
VW officials said they have set a target that 30 percent of all Passats sold in the U.S. will run with diesel engines.
Ivan Drury, an Edmunds.com analyst, said that with fuel prices at historically high levels, people are paying more attention to diesel cars despite the higher price of diesel over regular gas in the United States.
The Passat TDI (turbocharged direct injection) is rated by the U.S. government at garnering 31 mpg in the city and 43 mpg on the highway. That's compared to 21 city and 32 highway for most of the gasoline-powered Passats.
Diesels also are priced higher than Passats with gas power plants.
The Passat TDI SEL has a manufacturers suggested retail price of $32,195, according to VW. A gas-powered SEL with a 2.5-liter engine goes for $28,395.
http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/...tpaces-supply/
Demand for diesel Passat outpaces supply
Wayne Dickey ordered a diesel-powered Passat SEL in early September and was told it would take six weeks to arrive.
But as Christmas approaches, the Foley, Ala., man still doesn't have his car, and now his dealer said it will be January.
"They need to actually sell cars to make a profit, don't they?" he asked.
Dickey and other buyers like him are caught in a classic case of supply and demand, officials said.
The Passat TDI, which is made at Volkswagen's Chattanooga assembly plant, is selling at double the anticipated rate, said Carsten Krebs, VW Group of America's corporate communications director.
He said the plant is trying to crank up production.
"At present, consumer demand for the Passat is outpacing our ability to produce the vehicle," Krebs said. "We are working closely with our suppliers and our manufacturing teams to increase capacity as quickly as we can."
According to VW, the plant is producing Passats at a rate of 450 or more cars daily.
Ron Kwiatkowski, new vehicle sales manager at Village Volkswagen in Chattanooga, said if a buyer walks into the dealership and orders a top-of-the-line Passat TDI SEL, it could take three or four months to receive.
"It's hot as a pistol," Kwiatkowski said. "Diesel is hot as can be whether Jetta or Passat."
He said, for example, that a customer who ordered a Passat TDI in August just received it.
Jonathan Browning, VW Group of America's chief executive, said earlier this month in Chattanooga that Passat sold 6,000 units in November and the company is pleased with its sales momentum.
"It's ahead of our plan," Browning said. "The TDI is extremely well received. Clearly, there's strong demand there that we'll be looking to respond to."
VW officials said they have set a target that 30 percent of all Passats sold in the U.S. will run with diesel engines.
Ivan Drury, an Edmunds.com analyst, said that with fuel prices at historically high levels, people are paying more attention to diesel cars despite the higher price of diesel over regular gas in the United States.
The Passat TDI (turbocharged direct injection) is rated by the U.S. government at garnering 31 mpg in the city and 43 mpg on the highway. That's compared to 21 city and 32 highway for most of the gasoline-powered Passats.
Diesels also are priced higher than Passats with gas power plants.
The Passat TDI SEL has a manufacturers suggested retail price of $32,195, according to VW. A gas-powered SEL with a 2.5-liter engine goes for $28,395.
12-14-2011 | 08:55 AM
#2603
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i don't understand the story. who's making the ads? TrueCar or Honda dealers? If it's TrueCar then yes I agree with Honda. If they don't want their cars advertised like that, they have the right to withdraw from sponsoring the ads.
If it's the dealers, why isn't Honda going after the dealers instead of TrueCar, who appears to be just the middleman in this case?
If it's the dealers, why isn't Honda going after the dealers instead of TrueCar, who appears to be just the middleman in this case?
12-14-2011 | 09:12 AM
#2604
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By trying to enforce its policies, Honda is only, “hurting Honda and Acura dealers, and forcing customers to do business the old-fashioned way,” Painter said.
Desperate times call for desperate measures, I suppose.
12-19-2011 | 05:01 PM
#2605
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Richmond Hill, Ontario – The Honda Civic and Ford F-Series led sales in November and are on track to take the top spots for 2011, according to industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers.
DesRosiers noted that luxury vehicles, as a group, were up more than 10 per cent in November and are well above their year-to-date numbers. “Most of these were in the smaller luxury segments, with compact luxury SUVs up 70.6 per cent in November, which brings them up by 28.3 per cent year-to-date,” DesRosiers said. “Intermediate luxury SUVs were up 10.9 per cent in November, down 1.7 per cent year-to-date.” He noted that luxury models continue to outperform the market as a whole and forecasts that they will for the entire decade, dominated by European brands.
Overall, small vehicles are up 1.2 per cent, midsize vehicles are up 2.7 per cent, larger vehicles are down 0.3 per cent, and commercial-use vehicles, including pickup trucks, is up 3.5 per cent.
The top ten best-selling passenger cars in November, in order, were the Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Mazda3, Toyota Corolla, Chevrolet Cruze, Volkswagen Jetta, Ford Focus, Toyota Camry, Toyota Matrix and Hyundai Accent.
Year-to-date to the end of November, the top ten were the Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Mazda3, Toyota Corolla, Chevrolet Cruze, Volkswagen Jetta, Ford Focus, Hyundai Accent, Ford Fusion and Hyundai Sonata.
The top 10 best-selling light trucks in November, in order, were the Ford F-Series, Ram, GMC Sierra, Chevrolet Silverado, Dodge Caravan, Ford Escape, Honda CR-V, Toyota RAV4, Dodge Journey and Chevrolet Equinox.
Year-to-date to the end of November, the top 10 were the Ford F-Series, Ram, Dodge Caravan, GMC Sierra, Ford Escape, Chevrolet Silverado, Dodge Journey, Honda CR-V, Hyundai Santa Fe and Chevrolet Equinox.
01-04-2012 | 02:01 PM
#2606
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Chrysler Group says it sold 37% more new cars and trucks in December than it did a year earlier, marking the 21st-consecutive month of year-over-year increases. For all of 2011, Chrysler Group sales were up 26%.
"That is a phenomenal comeback from its 2009 bankruptcy," says Edmunds.com senior analyst Michelle Krebs.
How Chrysler Group brands did in December:
Chrysler brand, powered by the updated 300 full-size sedan, zipped 83% from a year earlier.
Jeep jumped 41%, helped by recent redesigns or updates of most models.
Dodge sales rose 28%, lead by a hefty 227% increase for the redesigned Charger big sedan.
Ram trucks were the relative laggards, up just 10% overall.
Fiat sales were up 44% from November. The brand, operated as a Chrysler Group brand in the U.S., has only been on sale here since spring. Its only U.S. model is the tiny 500 economy car, and sales have been sluggish by the standards of CEO Sergio Marchionne, who shuffled executives as a result.
General Motors
GM ended the year with a whimper, posting a sales gain of 4.5% -- an 8.9% increase at Chevrolet more than offsetting losses at the other brands.
Chevy's new Sonic small car was up 42% in December, vs. the Aveo it replaced. Chevy Cruze was up 54%; Camaro, up 20%; Malibu, up 13%.
Chevrolet sold 1,500 Volt extended-range electrics in December, despite wide publicity about the potential for fires under extraordinary circumstances. That was Volt's best month ever.
For all of 2011, GM sales were up 13%.
How GM's other brands fared in December:
Buick, down 12.4%.
Cadillac, down 2.7%.
GMC, down 0.5%.
Ford Motor
Ford Motor's December sales rose a middling 10% from a year earlier. Full-year sales were up 11%, to 2.1 million. That was the first time since before the recession that Ford passed 2 million in a year.
Trucks -- pickups and SUVs -- accounted for nearly three of every Ford Motor vehicles sold in December, 73.7%. For all of 2011, trucks were 66.4% of Ford Motor sales, a striking imbalance in a company that has said the future belongs to small cars.
In December, total car sales were down 14.9% and for the entire year, cars were up 3.7%. Focus compact-car sales were up 12.1% in December, but all other cars fell. The Fusion midsize was the best-selling car for the full year, up 13.2%. The Fiesta subcompact, down 29.5% in December, posted the biggest percentage gain for the year, up 194.7%.
SUVs were up 16.2% in December and 19.6% in all of 2011. Pickups and vans rose 27.8% in December, 12% for the full year.
Within the truck segment, it appeared that one of Ford's best sales tactics was to discontinue a model. Sales jumps were recorded by the Escape SUV, Ranger small pickup and Econoline/Club Wagon big vans -- all headed for the boneyard in the near future.
A smaller, more heavily styled re-do of Escape -- an entirely different vehicle -- is due this year. The Ranger and the big vans are dead.
Some current models did well. The recently redesigned Explorer SUV remained a strong performer, up 37.4%. And the Transit Connect delivery van, also a new model, was up 39.1%.
The Lincoln luxury brand edged up 4.3% in December, but was off 0.2% for the full year.
"That is a phenomenal comeback from its 2009 bankruptcy," says Edmunds.com senior analyst Michelle Krebs.
How Chrysler Group brands did in December:
Chrysler brand, powered by the updated 300 full-size sedan, zipped 83% from a year earlier.
Jeep jumped 41%, helped by recent redesigns or updates of most models.
Dodge sales rose 28%, lead by a hefty 227% increase for the redesigned Charger big sedan.
Ram trucks were the relative laggards, up just 10% overall.
Fiat sales were up 44% from November. The brand, operated as a Chrysler Group brand in the U.S., has only been on sale here since spring. Its only U.S. model is the tiny 500 economy car, and sales have been sluggish by the standards of CEO Sergio Marchionne, who shuffled executives as a result.
General Motors
GM ended the year with a whimper, posting a sales gain of 4.5% -- an 8.9% increase at Chevrolet more than offsetting losses at the other brands.
Chevy's new Sonic small car was up 42% in December, vs. the Aveo it replaced. Chevy Cruze was up 54%; Camaro, up 20%; Malibu, up 13%.
Chevrolet sold 1,500 Volt extended-range electrics in December, despite wide publicity about the potential for fires under extraordinary circumstances. That was Volt's best month ever.
For all of 2011, GM sales were up 13%.
How GM's other brands fared in December:
Buick, down 12.4%.
Cadillac, down 2.7%.
GMC, down 0.5%.
Ford Motor
Ford Motor's December sales rose a middling 10% from a year earlier. Full-year sales were up 11%, to 2.1 million. That was the first time since before the recession that Ford passed 2 million in a year.
Trucks -- pickups and SUVs -- accounted for nearly three of every Ford Motor vehicles sold in December, 73.7%. For all of 2011, trucks were 66.4% of Ford Motor sales, a striking imbalance in a company that has said the future belongs to small cars.
In December, total car sales were down 14.9% and for the entire year, cars were up 3.7%. Focus compact-car sales were up 12.1% in December, but all other cars fell. The Fusion midsize was the best-selling car for the full year, up 13.2%. The Fiesta subcompact, down 29.5% in December, posted the biggest percentage gain for the year, up 194.7%.
SUVs were up 16.2% in December and 19.6% in all of 2011. Pickups and vans rose 27.8% in December, 12% for the full year.
Within the truck segment, it appeared that one of Ford's best sales tactics was to discontinue a model. Sales jumps were recorded by the Escape SUV, Ranger small pickup and Econoline/Club Wagon big vans -- all headed for the boneyard in the near future.
A smaller, more heavily styled re-do of Escape -- an entirely different vehicle -- is due this year. The Ranger and the big vans are dead.
Some current models did well. The recently redesigned Explorer SUV remained a strong performer, up 37.4%. And the Transit Connect delivery van, also a new model, was up 39.1%.
The Lincoln luxury brand edged up 4.3% in December, but was off 0.2% for the full year.
01-04-2012 | 02:03 PM
#2607
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Volkswagen continued its string of big monthly sales increases, reporting a rise of 36.2% in December. For all of 2011, VW sales rose 26.3%
The redesigned, lower-price Jetta remained the top seller for the month and the year, but sales growth appears to have slowed. It was up just 11%. Other models notched bigger percentage increases.
VW highlights:
Passat midsize sedan, redesigned, enlarged and now made in the U.S., was up 3,000.9% in December compared with last December, when the previous model was being discontinued and dealers had almost none to sell. For the full year, Passat sales were up 82.7%.
Beetle, also a redesign that no longer includes "new" as part of its name, jumped 167.2% in December compared with the same month a year earlier, when the previous car was being discontinued and few were on dealer lots. For the full year, though, Beetle sales were off 60.9%.
The Tiguan compact SUV, a steady climber in recent months, stumbled in December. Its sales were down 5.8%. Full-year, however, Tiguan was up 24.1% without benefit of a major re-do.
The Routan family van, a rebadged Chrysler/Dodge minivan, continued to be a loser. Sales were down 57.3% in December and 21.9% for all of 2011.
Touareg, VW's largest SUV, sells in small numbers, but nonetheless was up 38.6% in December, and 59.9% for all of 2011.
Audi
Audi says its sales set records for December and all of 2011.
Audi is a unit of Volkswagen Group, the German parent of VW, Audi and a number of other brands, but VW and Audi are operated separately in the U.S.
The premium automaker says December was up 20% and 2011 marked "the best year in Audi of America history, with 12 straight months of record-setting sales." Its total for 2011 was 117,561.
Diesels did well, accounting for 55% of A3 sales and 41% of Q7 sales.
The compact A4 was the best-selling Audi in December and for all of 2011. the new-design A6 mid-size sedan enjoyed the biggest percentage gain: Up 124% in December.
For the full year, the big gainers were the small sellers. TT coupé was up 46% in 2011, but that was just 2,236 sales all year. The big, new A8 sedan was up 274% for the year, but that was just 5,700 sales.
The redesigned, lower-price Jetta remained the top seller for the month and the year, but sales growth appears to have slowed. It was up just 11%. Other models notched bigger percentage increases.
VW highlights:
Passat midsize sedan, redesigned, enlarged and now made in the U.S., was up 3,000.9% in December compared with last December, when the previous model was being discontinued and dealers had almost none to sell. For the full year, Passat sales were up 82.7%.
Beetle, also a redesign that no longer includes "new" as part of its name, jumped 167.2% in December compared with the same month a year earlier, when the previous car was being discontinued and few were on dealer lots. For the full year, though, Beetle sales were off 60.9%.
The Tiguan compact SUV, a steady climber in recent months, stumbled in December. Its sales were down 5.8%. Full-year, however, Tiguan was up 24.1% without benefit of a major re-do.
The Routan family van, a rebadged Chrysler/Dodge minivan, continued to be a loser. Sales were down 57.3% in December and 21.9% for all of 2011.
Touareg, VW's largest SUV, sells in small numbers, but nonetheless was up 38.6% in December, and 59.9% for all of 2011.
Audi
Audi says its sales set records for December and all of 2011.
Audi is a unit of Volkswagen Group, the German parent of VW, Audi and a number of other brands, but VW and Audi are operated separately in the U.S.
The premium automaker says December was up 20% and 2011 marked "the best year in Audi of America history, with 12 straight months of record-setting sales." Its total for 2011 was 117,561.
Diesels did well, accounting for 55% of A3 sales and 41% of Q7 sales.
The compact A4 was the best-selling Audi in December and for all of 2011. the new-design A6 mid-size sedan enjoyed the biggest percentage gain: Up 124% in December.
For the full year, the big gainers were the small sellers. TT coupé was up 46% in 2011, but that was just 2,236 sales all year. The big, new A8 sedan was up 274% for the year, but that was just 5,700 sales.
01-04-2012 | 02:06 PM
#2608
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December
As a challenging 2011 came to a close, the MDX luxury SUV again led Acura monthly sales with 4,588 units sold, down 22.1 percent based on Daily Selling Rate* (DSR). Total monthly sales for Acura were 13,129 units (down 15.2 percent) while year-to-date** sales totaled 123,299 (down 8.0 percent).
"As we close the chapter on a tough year, Acura will start off 2012 strong with the debut of three all-new products at the North American International Auto Show, including the next generation NSX," said Jeff Conrad, Acura vice president of sales. "Although we still had low inventory in December, our production levels are now back to normal. With a great line-up of products and all-new ILX and RDX models coming in the spring, 2012 will be a very good year for Acura."
The next best selling Acura light truck was the RDX crossover SUV with 1,576 units sold, up 2.3 percent. Acura light truck sales totaled 6,250 (down 18.6 percent) while total car sales were 6,879 (down 11.9 percent).
Acura's TSX sports sedan led December car sales with 3,546 units sold, down 19.3 percent. The TL performance luxury sedan was Acura's next best selling car with sales with 3,283 units, down 0.2 percent.
American Honda Motor Co., Inc., today reported December monthly new-vehicle sales of 105,230, a decrease of 18.8 percent on a daily selling-rate* basis. American Honda's 2011 annual vehicle sales totaled 1,147,285, a decrease of 7.1 percent compared to 2010.
The Honda Division's December monthly sales of 92,101 represented a decrease of 19.3 percent compared to 2010. Honda Division's 2011 annual sales of 1,023,986 decreased 6.9 percent compared to 2010. The three top-selling Honda models for 2011 were Accord, 235,625; Civic, 221,235; and CR-V, 218,373.
"As we eagerly close one of the most challenging years American Honda has weathered, we are well-positioned for a strong 2012," said John Mendel, American Honda executive vice president of sales. "Although we still had low inventory in December, our production levels are now back to normal. The new year brings the promise of positive momentum with the all-new CR-V now on sale and a concept version of the ninth-generation 2013 Honda Accord Coupe to be unveiled next week at the North American International Auto Show."
Monthly Odyssey sales increased by 13.2 percent to 11,489, and Pilot sales increased 12.6 percent to 11,641. Additional models with monthly sales gains included Fit, up 5.7 percent to 5,138, setting a new December sales record, and Ridgeline with a sales increase of 21.2 percent to 1,468.
The Acura Division's year-end sales totaled 123,299, down 8.0 percent compared to 2010 results. December Acura sales totaled 13,129, a decrease of 15.2 percent. The MDX led the division with annual sales of 43,271, followed by the TL with sales of 31,237 and the TSX with sales of 30,935.
If only the Asian makes would embrace diesel in the U.S.
01-04-2012 | 02:37 PM
#2610
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From: Cleveland area, OH
Wow did lack of supply hurt Honda/Acura this year. I am quite sure this is more than just people not buying Acuras, it's dealers not having product to sell for it to be this bad.
01-04-2012 | 02:58 PM
#2612
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Posts: 18,227
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From: Maryland
^ that's 1.3% of total Acura truck sales, very dismal for relatively new model.
I feel sorta lucky seeing one in the area (pretty sure it's the same one).
The MDX despite being the oldest is ~3/4 of all Acura truck sales.
My brother's friend just picked up a new 2011 MDX/tech yesterday.
I feel sorta lucky seeing one in the area (pretty sure it's the same one).
The MDX despite being the oldest is ~3/4 of all Acura truck sales.
My brother's friend just picked up a new 2011 MDX/tech yesterday.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 01-04-2012 at 03:00 PM.
01-04-2012 | 03:27 PM
#2614
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Posts: 9,860
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From: Los Gatos, CA
Can't all be inventory. Fit is up (Japan build), so is the Pilot and Odyssey. The CR-V is down slightly.
Consumers just aren't taking to the new Civic and the Accord is just old now.
Consumers just aren't taking to the new Civic and the Accord is just old now.
01-04-2012 | 05:04 PM
#2616
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From: Southern California
By the numbers:
December’s Numbers
Acura – Down 15 percent to 13,129
Audi – Up 20 percent to 12,655
BMW –
Buick – Down 12 percent to 14,974
Cadillac – Down 3 percent to 16,259
Chevrolet – Up 5 percent to 161,158
Chrysler – Up 83 percent to 23,974
Dodge – Up 28 percent to 41,548
Fiat – 2,325
Ford – Up 16 percent to 201,737
GMC – Down 1 percent to 41,960
Honda – Down 19 percent to 92,101
Hyundai – Up 13 percent to 50,765
Infiniti – Down 12 percent to 10,990
Jaguar –
Jeep – Up 41 percent to 43,577
Kia – Up 43 percent to 43,390
Land Rover –
Lexus – Down 8 percent to 25,355
Lincoln - Up 4 percent to 8,403
Maserati – Up 32 percent to 238
Mazda – Up 4 percent to 22,353
Mercedes-Benz –
Mitsubishi – Up 3 percent to 5,032
MINI –
Nissan – Up 11 percent to 89,937
Porsche – Down 29 percent to 1,834
Ram – Up 10 percent to 26,595
Saab – Down 75 percent to 270
Smart – Down
Subaru – Up 26 percent to 33,701
Suzuki – Down 3 percent to 2,565
Toyota (Includes Scion ) – Up 2 percent to 152,776
Volkswagen – Up 36 percent to 32,502
Volvo – Up 12 percent to 5,342
BMW Group –
Chrysler – Up 37 percent to 138,019
Daimler –
Ford Motor Company – Up 10 percent to 210,140
General Motors – Up 5 percent to 234,351
American Honda – Down 19 percent to 105,230
Hyundai Group – Up 25 percent to 94,155
Jaguar Land Rover –
Nissan North America – Up 8 percent to 100,927
Toyota USA – Up 0.4 percent to 178,131
2011 Overall Numbers
Acura – Down 8 percent to 123,299
Audi – Up 16 percent to 117,561
BMW –
Buick – Up 14 percent to 177,633
Cadillac – Up 4 percent to 152,389
Chevrolet – Up 13 percent to 1,775,812
Chrysler – Up 12 percent to 221,346
Dodge – Up 18 percent to 451,040
Fiat – 19,769
Ford – Up 17 percent to 2,062,915
GMC – Up 19 percent to 397,986
Honda – Down 7 percent to 1,023,986
Hyundai – Up 20 percent to 645,691
Infiniti – Down 5 percent to 98,461
Jaguar –
Jeep – Up 44 percent to 419,349
Kia – Up 36 percent to 485,492
Land Rover –
Lexus – Down 13 percent to 198,552
Lincoln - Down 0.2 percent to 85,643
Maserati – Up 22 percent to 2,321
Mazda – Up 9 percent to 250,426
Mercedes-Benz –
Mitsubishi – Up 42 percent to 79,020
MINI – Down
Nissan – Up 17 percent to 944,073
Porsche – Up 15 percent to 29,023
Ram – Up 21 percent to 257,610
Saab – Up 15 percent to 5,610
Smart –
Subaru – Up 1 percent to 266,989
Suzuki – Up 11 percent to 26,618
Toyota (Includes Scion) – Down 6 percent to 1,446,109
Volkswagen – Up 26 percent to 324,402
Volvo – Up 25 percent to 67,240
BMW Group –
Chrysler – Up 26 percent to 1,369,114
Daimler –
Ford Motor Company – Up 11 percent to 2,148,806
General Motors – Up 14 percent to 2,503,820
American Honda – Down 7 percent to 1,147,285
Hyundai Group – Up 27 percent to 1,131,183
Jaguar Land Rover –
Nissan North America – Up 15 percent to 1,042,534
Toyota USA – Down 7 percent to 1,644,661
http://www.leftlanenews.com/december...rs-strong.html
December’s Numbers
Acura – Down 15 percent to 13,129
Audi – Up 20 percent to 12,655
BMW –
Buick – Down 12 percent to 14,974
Cadillac – Down 3 percent to 16,259
Chevrolet – Up 5 percent to 161,158
Chrysler – Up 83 percent to 23,974
Dodge – Up 28 percent to 41,548
Fiat – 2,325
Ford – Up 16 percent to 201,737
GMC – Down 1 percent to 41,960
Honda – Down 19 percent to 92,101
Hyundai – Up 13 percent to 50,765
Infiniti – Down 12 percent to 10,990
Jaguar –
Jeep – Up 41 percent to 43,577
Kia – Up 43 percent to 43,390
Land Rover –
Lexus – Down 8 percent to 25,355
Lincoln - Up 4 percent to 8,403
Maserati – Up 32 percent to 238
Mazda – Up 4 percent to 22,353
Mercedes-Benz –
Mitsubishi – Up 3 percent to 5,032
MINI –
Nissan – Up 11 percent to 89,937
Porsche – Down 29 percent to 1,834
Ram – Up 10 percent to 26,595
Saab – Down 75 percent to 270
Smart – Down
Subaru – Up 26 percent to 33,701
Suzuki – Down 3 percent to 2,565
Toyota (Includes Scion ) – Up 2 percent to 152,776
Volkswagen – Up 36 percent to 32,502
Volvo – Up 12 percent to 5,342
BMW Group –
Chrysler – Up 37 percent to 138,019
Daimler –
Ford Motor Company – Up 10 percent to 210,140
General Motors – Up 5 percent to 234,351
American Honda – Down 19 percent to 105,230
Hyundai Group – Up 25 percent to 94,155
Jaguar Land Rover –
Nissan North America – Up 8 percent to 100,927
Toyota USA – Up 0.4 percent to 178,131
2011 Overall Numbers
Acura – Down 8 percent to 123,299
Audi – Up 16 percent to 117,561
BMW –
Buick – Up 14 percent to 177,633
Cadillac – Up 4 percent to 152,389
Chevrolet – Up 13 percent to 1,775,812
Chrysler – Up 12 percent to 221,346
Dodge – Up 18 percent to 451,040
Fiat – 19,769
Ford – Up 17 percent to 2,062,915
GMC – Up 19 percent to 397,986
Honda – Down 7 percent to 1,023,986
Hyundai – Up 20 percent to 645,691
Infiniti – Down 5 percent to 98,461
Jaguar –
Jeep – Up 44 percent to 419,349
Kia – Up 36 percent to 485,492
Land Rover –
Lexus – Down 13 percent to 198,552
Lincoln - Down 0.2 percent to 85,643
Maserati – Up 22 percent to 2,321
Mazda – Up 9 percent to 250,426
Mercedes-Benz –
Mitsubishi – Up 42 percent to 79,020
MINI – Down
Nissan – Up 17 percent to 944,073
Porsche – Up 15 percent to 29,023
Ram – Up 21 percent to 257,610
Saab – Up 15 percent to 5,610
Smart –
Subaru – Up 1 percent to 266,989
Suzuki – Up 11 percent to 26,618
Toyota (Includes Scion) – Down 6 percent to 1,446,109
Volkswagen – Up 26 percent to 324,402
Volvo – Up 25 percent to 67,240
BMW Group –
Chrysler – Up 26 percent to 1,369,114
Daimler –
Ford Motor Company – Up 11 percent to 2,148,806
General Motors – Up 14 percent to 2,503,820
American Honda – Down 7 percent to 1,147,285
Hyundai Group – Up 27 percent to 1,131,183
Jaguar Land Rover –
Nissan North America – Up 15 percent to 1,042,534
Toyota USA – Down 7 percent to 1,644,661
http://www.leftlanenews.com/december...rs-strong.html
01-04-2012 | 07:01 PM
#2619
Safety Car
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Posts: 4,581
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I am most impressed with Nissan. They dont have new
Sentra/Altima/PathFinder yet and still produce impressive figures.
QX is the most impressive full size SUV.
Hyundia/Kia has practicallly stalled despite much newer offerings.
Gensis sales are nowwhere near Nissan Maxima. We will not see premium brand from Koreans any time soon.
Sentra/Altima/PathFinder yet and still produce impressive figures.
QX is the most impressive full size SUV.
Hyundia/Kia has practicallly stalled despite much newer offerings.
Gensis sales are nowwhere near Nissan Maxima. We will not see premium brand from Koreans any time soon.
01-04-2012 | 07:54 PM
#2620
6G TLX-S
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 10,201
Likes: 1,162
From: YVR
Hyundai/Kia has worked hard, and well deserves these good results.
01-04-2012 | 08:01 PM
#2621
Pinky all stinky
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 20,665
Likes: 191
Honda needs to get the next gen Accord right.
i remember the 2 generations prior Accord numbers hitting easily 25-30K per month, and the Civic would be holding the ~20K per month #'s.
now it's the Accord sliding into the Civic's old spot, and the Civic slipping.
i remember the 2 generations prior Accord numbers hitting easily 25-30K per month, and the Civic would be holding the ~20K per month #'s.
now it's the Accord sliding into the Civic's old spot, and the Civic slipping.
01-04-2012 | 08:12 PM
#2622
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Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 18,693
Likes: 3,100
Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see how Hyundai being up 13 percent and Kia being up 43 percent for December 2011, or Hyundai being up 20 percent and Kia being up 36 percent for all of 2011 stalling.... especially when compared with Honda's sales.
01-04-2012 | 10:36 PM
#2623
Safety Car
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Nissan Sold 5000 Maxima alone with single engine.
That is more than all the top line sedans of Korean makers. New Altima will stream roll all koreans.
http://rumors.automobilemag.com/2011...-up-98479.html
My predictions are not so off. Just read my post about VW/Audi and Infiniti QX SUV.
New PathFinder is coming. The mainstream People mover SUV from Nissan.
Korean products simply dont have that much impact on higher priced segment.
01-04-2012 | 11:21 PM
#2624
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Hyundai sales #s for Dec 2011 and all of 2011
Accent: 5,316..... 55,601
Sonata: 17,340..... 225,961
Elantra: 13,025..... 186,361
Santa Fe: 5,082..... 74,391
Azera: 18..... 1,524
Tucson: 4,458..... 47,232
Veloster: 2,188..... 9,284
Veracruz: 543..... 9,146
Genesis: 2,470..... 32,998
Equus: 325..... 3,193
Total: 50,765..... 645,691
Accent: 5,316..... 55,601
Sonata: 17,340..... 225,961
Elantra: 13,025..... 186,361
Santa Fe: 5,082..... 74,391
Azera: 18..... 1,524
Tucson: 4,458..... 47,232
Veloster: 2,188..... 9,284
Veracruz: 543..... 9,146
Genesis: 2,470..... 32,998
Equus: 325..... 3,193
Total: 50,765..... 645,691
Last edited by AZuser; 01-04-2012 at 11:23 PM.
01-04-2012 | 11:29 PM
#2625
Evil Mazda Driver
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,212
Likes: 174
From: Portland, Oregon
The Accord only beat the Sonata by 9,664 units and before you go calling the Sonata's figures as over-inflated by fleet sales, every single one of the 225,961 cars they sold were retail.
On the other hand, I'm a bit curious where those two S2Ks sold in December came from.
On the other hand, I'm a bit curious where those two S2Ks sold in December came from.
01-04-2012 | 11:50 PM
#2628
Evil Mazda Driver
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,212
Likes: 174
From: Portland, Oregon
SSFTSX is the Harold Camping of the news section; lots of hot air and not much substance.
He said the Equus would fail...it's still doing well 14 months after introduction and continues to best its sales predictions by 100 to 150 units every month.
He claimed the Sonata and Elantra couldn't maintain their sales velocity but they did and now the Sonata is within restraining order distance of knocking on the Accord's front door.
Even the long-in-the-tooth Santa Fe (introduced in April '06 as an '07) only lost 2,289 units between 2010 and 2011 and even the Veracruz managed to pull a year-over-year sales gain out of the hat. Even the brand new Veloster managed to move 9,284 units after only a few months on sale. The only real loser this year was the Azera but with the new one due in the spring, that should change.
http://hyundainews.com/us/en-us/Medi...ull-year-sales
01-05-2012 | 01:25 AM
#2630
Evil Mazda Driver
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Posts: 11,212
Likes: 174
From: Portland, Oregon
01-05-2012 | 11:48 AM
#2631
You'll Never Walk Alone
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Posts: 9,524
Likes: 848
From: Vancouver, BC, Canada
hmm..isn't SSFTSX talking about longer term? I mean the Sonata and Elantra came out for about a year or so only? I think SSFTSX is talking about 5-10 years later?? I think he said something about how these new Hyundais and Kias look good on paper with a lot of new tech, features, etc. But they really deliver in the real world. Like the DCT in the veloster, it's a DCT but it's slower than a manual. I'm not sure if he's right, sincey most customers only care about specs and features on paper, and price. They don't care too much about how the car drives or if the DCT is slower than a manual, or the car struggles to match the EPA ratings.
01-05-2012 | 12:34 PM
#2632
Honda Fanboy
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Posts: 1,288
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From: So Cal
01-05-2012 | 01:10 PM
#2633
Evil Mazda Driver
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Posts: 11,212
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From: Portland, Oregon
The link at the bottom of that post has full 2010 and 2011 calendar year sales for every model and mentioned the Sonata's sales figures didn't include fleet sales.
“Sonata’s retail sales performance in 2011 was a real highlight for us. Along with Camry, Accord, Civic, and possibly Altima, the Hyundai Sonata was one of only five cars in the entire industry with retail sales (excluding fleet) over 200,000 units.
01-05-2012 | 01:18 PM
#2635
Safety Car
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Posts: 4,444
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From: San Jose
SSFTSX is the Harold Camping of the news section; lots of hot air and not much substance.
He said the Equus would fail...it's still doing well 14 months after introduction and continues to best its sales predictions by 100 to 150 units every month.
He claimed the Sonata and Elantra couldn't maintain their sales velocity but they did and now the Sonata is within restraining order distance of knocking on the Accord's front door.
Even the long-in-the-tooth Santa Fe (introduced in April '06 as an '07) only lost 2,289 units between 2010 and 2011 and even the Veracruz managed to pull a year-over-year sales gain out of the hat. Even the brand new Veloster managed to move 9,284 units after only a few months on sale. The only real loser this year was the Azera but with the new one due in the spring, that should change.
http://hyundainews.com/us/en-us/Medi...ull-year-sales
How does the new Azera fit in terms of size in between Sonata and Genesis, by the way?
01-05-2012 | 01:28 PM
#2636
Evil Mazda Driver
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,212
Likes: 174
From: Portland, Oregon
Wheelbase: 110.0"
Overall Length: 189.8"
Overall Width: 72.2"
Overall Height: 57.9"
Track; Front & Rear*: 62.9" (GLS) / 62.5" (SE) / 62.6" (Limited)
* Track is the same for front and rear axles on all three models.
Azera
Wheelbase: 112.0"
Overall Length: 193.3"
Overall Width: 73.2"
Overall Height: 57.9"
Track; Front: 63.2" (w/18" wheels) -- 63.1" (w/19" wheels)
Track; Rear: 63.3" (w/18" wheels) -- 63.1" (w/19" wheels)
Genesis
Wheelbase: 115.6"
Overall Length: 196.3"
Overall Width: 74.4"
Overall Height: 58.1" (w/17" wheels) -- 58.3" (w/18" & 19" wheels)
Track; Front: 63.8" (w/17" wheels) / 63.1" (w/18" & 19" wheels)
Track; Rear: 64.4" (w/17" wheels) / 63.8" (w/18" & 19" wheels)
01-05-2012 | 01:30 PM
#2637
Honda Fanboy
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Posts: 1,288
Likes: 17
From: So Cal
01-05-2012 | 01:37 PM
#2638
Evil Mazda Driver
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,212
Likes: 174
From: Portland, Oregon
EDIT: I called Hyundai and asked them and they said the 225,961 is everything so it does include fleet sales. I was mistaken. But still, if one model out of five and the fleet sales are split five ways, that's only 2% or 4,519 units' difference.
Either way, the Sonata broke 200K.
Last edited by PortlandRL; 01-05-2012 at 01:45 PM.
01-05-2012 | 01:46 PM
#2639
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hmm..isn't SSFTSX talking about longer term? I mean the Sonata and Elantra came out for about a year or so only? I think SSFTSX is talking about 5-10 years later?? I think he said something about how these new Hyundais and Kias look good on paper with a lot of new tech, features, etc. But they really deliver in the real world. Like the DCT in the veloster, it's a DCT but it's slower than a manual. I'm not sure if he's right, sincey most customers only care about specs and features on paper, and price. They don't care too much about how the car drives or if the DCT is slower than a manual, or the car struggles to match the EPA ratings.
Acura can sell $30K TSX in its 4th year in decent numbers. without Hybrid/ diesel/turbo option with minimal MMC.
Hyundi -Kia have to put Turbo/V6/V8/DI/6speed Auto to sell higher priced vehicles. Even with Value they cannot sell that many. Essentially they have thrown all there kitchen sink technology. They are pretty much done as far as premium priced vehicles are concerned.
Only thing left is what newer Accord/Altima/Sentra/PathFinder will do to there sales. Kia-Hyundai are pretty much hopeless as far as high priced SUV & Minivan sales are concerned.
01-05-2012 | 02:01 PM
#2640
Moderator
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Posts: 15,321
Likes: 5,940
From: Phoenix, AZ
Not long term. Kia-Hyunadi has stalled. They cannot launch premium brand.
Acura can sell $30K TSX in its 4th year in decent numbers. without Hybrid/ diesel/turbo option with minimal MMC.
Hyundi -Kia have to put Turbo/V6/V8/DI/6speed Auto to sell higher priced vehicles. Even with Value they cannot sell that many. Essentially they have thrown all there kitchen sink technology. They are pretty much done as far as premium priced vehicles are concerned.
Only thing left is what newer Accord/Altima/Sentra/PathFinder will do to there sales. Kia-Hyundai are pretty much hopeless as far as high priced SUV & Minivan sales are concerned.
Acura can sell $30K TSX in its 4th year in decent numbers. without Hybrid/ diesel/turbo option with minimal MMC.
Hyundi -Kia have to put Turbo/V6/V8/DI/6speed Auto to sell higher priced vehicles. Even with Value they cannot sell that many. Essentially they have thrown all there kitchen sink technology. They are pretty much done as far as premium priced vehicles are concerned.
Only thing left is what newer Accord/Altima/Sentra/PathFinder will do to there sales. Kia-Hyundai are pretty much hopeless as far as high priced SUV & Minivan sales are concerned.