Hyundai: Sonata News
09-28-2010, 05:07 PM
#761
http://www.leftlanenews.com/139500-h...omponents.html
Complete loss of steering?!?!?!?
The Sonata is a great looking vehicle, but Hyundai better put quality on the road, otherwise they will go back to the their old reputation of building
tastic quality vehicles.
Two recalls on your brand new model is more than plenty, Hyundai. Nip this one in the bud!
Complete loss of steering?!?!?!?
The Sonata is a great looking vehicle, but Hyundai better put quality on the road, otherwise they will go back to the their old reputation of building
tastic quality vehicles.Two recalls on your brand new model is more than plenty, Hyundai. Nip this one in the bud!
Plus NHTSA recall reports ALWAYS say something like "leading to complete loss of _____, potentially leading to a crash."
The quality is there. I bought one with my own cold hard cash (I'm a stingy bastard) because I trust it. The Sonata is still in the run (one of 14 finalists) for the 2011 COTY in January.
09-28-2010, 05:36 PM
#762
The sizzle in the Steak
To be honest, it's really a better-safe-than-sorry scenario with abundance of caution. I personally haven't heard of actual failures.
Plus NHTSA recall reports ALWAYS say something like "leading to complete loss of _____, potentially leading to a crash."
The quality is there. I bought one with my own cold hard cash (I'm a stingy bastard) because I trust it. The Sonata is still in the run (one of 14 finalists) for the 2011 COTY in January.
Plus NHTSA recall reports ALWAYS say something like "leading to complete loss of _____, potentially leading to a crash."
The quality is there. I bought one with my own cold hard cash (I'm a stingy bastard) because I trust it. The Sonata is still in the run (one of 14 finalists) for the 2011 COTY in January.
09-28-2010, 09:29 PM
#764
^ that's not what he was referring to when he says public perception.
people don't look at recalls as precautionary actions - they regard them as poor quality.
people don't look at recalls as precautionary actions - they regard them as poor quality.
09-29-2010, 10:32 AM
#765
The sizzle in the Steak
You get an A+ today in marketing, advertising, and public relations!
09-29-2010, 12:23 PM
#766
Well, even after the door latch recall, the sales continued to climb.
I think I give the public a bit more credit. Recalls, TSBs and shit falling apart is an inevitable side effect of assembling thousands of parts together into one tight package. I think people, in general, know and understand that.
I think after the Toyota situation, people will start seeing proactive measures, even if it's a recall, in a more positive light.
I think I give the public a bit more credit. Recalls, TSBs and shit falling apart is an inevitable side effect of assembling thousands of parts together into one tight package. I think people, in general, know and understand that.
I think after the Toyota situation, people will start seeing proactive measures, even if it's a recall, in a more positive light.
09-29-2010, 12:36 PM
#767
The sizzle in the Steak
Well, even after the door latch recall, the sales continued to climb.
I think I give the public a bit more credit. Recalls, TSBs and shit falling apart is an inevitable side effect of assembling thousands of parts together into one tight package. I think people, in general, know and understand that.
I think after the Toyota situation, people will start seeing proactive measures, even if it's a recall, in a more positive light.
I think I give the public a bit more credit. Recalls, TSBs and shit falling apart is an inevitable side effect of assembling thousands of parts together into one tight package. I think people, in general, know and understand that.
I think after the Toyota situation, people will start seeing proactive measures, even if it's a recall, in a more positive light.
I however, don't give the public that much credit. Look at how the media and the public became unhinged over the Toyota mess. They are easily influenced and led astray. The average public has no clue about the difference between a TSB, recall, NTSB, etc and so on.....they barely know how to put gas in the car.....and hopefully when the maintenance minder light goes off on the dash they take it in for service.
When they see 2 recalls in a row they start to wonder about the quality.
Can you imagine if you bought one of the new Sonatas, and now you have been recalled twice in a very short amount of time?.....and one is for a possible complete steering failure.
I think you would be wondering too about the quality.
...again we are talking about the average joe/jane public here....and for them perception of the brand is EVERYTHING.
09-29-2010, 08:42 PM
#768
There are people out there who still won't even give a Hyundai product a second thought, despite all the major advances that the company has made in the past few years.
You are giving the public way too much credit.
You are giving the public way too much credit.
09-29-2010, 09:04 PM
#769
The best thing is to just have no problems whatsoever. But we all know how easy that is....
I don't think recalls have that much of an effect on sales, unless they're catastrophic failures (like people dying in Toyota accelerator issues). People who are really want to buy one are still going to buy one. When there were recalls for the Camaro SS, hell I still wanted one badly. What recalls really do is just give fodder to people who weren't going to buy one in the first place. This steering shaft u-joint decoupling issue is pretty scary though.
Just my opinion.... recalls are unavoidable, I think I read an article saying there are hundreds of recalls every year, and it affects every manufacturer, and many models, from Civics to Lamborghinis.
I don't think recalls have that much of an effect on sales, unless they're catastrophic failures (like people dying in Toyota accelerator issues). People who are really want to buy one are still going to buy one. When there were recalls for the Camaro SS, hell I still wanted one badly. What recalls really do is just give fodder to people who weren't going to buy one in the first place. This steering shaft u-joint decoupling issue is pretty scary though.
Just my opinion.... recalls are unavoidable, I think I read an article saying there are hundreds of recalls every year, and it affects every manufacturer, and many models, from Civics to Lamborghinis.
09-30-2010, 06:48 AM
#772
You and I understand this, but we (like a lot of people on this board) are more educated car enthusiasts....we are not average. We are even leary of buying the first year model of a car, because we know there will be quite a few problems.
I however, don't give the public that much credit. Look at how the media and the public became unhinged over the Toyota mess. They are easily influenced and led astray. The average public has no clue about the difference between a TSB, recall, NTSB, etc and so on.....they barely know how to put gas in the car.....and hopefully when the maintenance minder light goes off on the dash they take it in for service.
When they see 2 recalls in a row they start to wonder about the quality.
Can you imagine if you bought one of the new Sonatas, and now you have been recalled twice in a very short amount of time?.....and one is for a possible complete steering failure.
I think you would be wondering too about the quality.
...again we are talking about the average joe/jane public here....and for them perception of the brand is EVERYTHING.
I however, don't give the public that much credit. Look at how the media and the public became unhinged over the Toyota mess. They are easily influenced and led astray. The average public has no clue about the difference between a TSB, recall, NTSB, etc and so on.....they barely know how to put gas in the car.....and hopefully when the maintenance minder light goes off on the dash they take it in for service.
When they see 2 recalls in a row they start to wonder about the quality.
Can you imagine if you bought one of the new Sonatas, and now you have been recalled twice in a very short amount of time?.....and one is for a possible complete steering failure.
I think you would be wondering too about the quality.
...again we are talking about the average joe/jane public here....and for them perception of the brand is EVERYTHING.
It's funny, though. I've met people who swear by a certain brand. Then year or years later, I would see them again and talk cars. They've switched sides. I've met people who say "you know, every certain number of years, I get convinced that GM/Chrysler/Ford/whatever got their stuff together so I go out and buy one and it's still a piece of shit."
I guess my point is that people's allegiance/preference can and does change. It goes around and around.
For instance, I used to be a hardcore GM guy. But after some bad experiences with the cars and the service, I vowed to never buy a GM again. So I went and bought a Dodge. It was okay, but it could've been better. So I went out and bought an Acura. The transmission issue still ticks me off to this day. So then I went out and bought a Hyundai (well, my fiancee). Now the recall, though no problem so far.
And now GM is putting out some great looking products, like the CTS-V sedan/coupe, etc. Boy, do I want one. But I know I will have some sort of problem with it, simply because it's a car. Then I will depart from GM again. Then round and round I go.
As for Toyota, they will no doubt recover from this. In fact, one of my dad's friends bought a Camry at the height of the recall. He said that it's basically all a bunch of BS, political witch hunt and all that, and took advantage of the fantastic deal. I think that for every person easily swayed, there is the opposite person who thinks outside the box.
Even if we lose one today, we'll probably have them back sooner or later. I think that goes for just about every brand.
09-30-2010, 07:47 AM
#773
Senior Moderator
The best thing is to just have no problems whatsoever. But we all know how easy that is....
I don't think recalls have that much of an effect on sales, unless they're catastrophic failures (like people dying in Toyota accelerator issues). People who are really want to buy one are still going to buy one. When there were recalls for the Camaro SS, hell I still wanted one badly. What recalls really do is just give fodder to people who weren't going to buy one in the first place. This steering shaft u-joint decoupling issue is pretty scary though.
Just my opinion.... recalls are unavoidable, I think I read an article saying there are hundreds of recalls every year, and it affects every manufacturer, and many models, from Civics to Lamborghinis.
I don't think recalls have that much of an effect on sales, unless they're catastrophic failures (like people dying in Toyota accelerator issues). People who are really want to buy one are still going to buy one. When there were recalls for the Camaro SS, hell I still wanted one badly. What recalls really do is just give fodder to people who weren't going to buy one in the first place. This steering shaft u-joint decoupling issue is pretty scary though.
Just my opinion.... recalls are unavoidable, I think I read an article saying there are hundreds of recalls every year, and it affects every manufacturer, and many models, from Civics to Lamborghinis.
For the most part i disregard recalls now days as possible points to not own the car. Every manufacturer has them. From legit ones to the stupid ones (like the recent CTS-V Knee air bag recall because the air bags hit the passengers knees in accidents when they arent wearing their seat belts). Hyundai is being proactive and fixing it before any major incidents to which i give them
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09-30-2010, 11:46 AM
#775
Senior Moderator
Luckily, I caught every one of my 5 failures. I saw it coming and was able to slip it into neutral or slow just before it happened. I spend all day in the car and just know the car too well and was aware that something wasnt right. There were subtle signs that i noticed. Most wouldnt and like your situation i bet happened very often to unexpected motorists.
09-30-2010, 04:47 PM
#778
The sizzle in the Steak
10-01-2010, 01:44 PM
#779
http://www.leftlanenews.com/139500-h...omponents.html
Complete loss of steering?!?!?!?
The Sonata is a great looking vehicle, but Hyundai better put quality on the road, otherwise they will go back to the their old reputation of buildingtastic quality vehicles.
Two recalls on your brand new model is more than plenty, Hyundai. Nip this one in the bud!
Complete loss of steering?!?!?!?
The Sonata is a great looking vehicle, but Hyundai better put quality on the road, otherwise they will go back to the their old reputation of building
tastic quality vehicles.Two recalls on your brand new model is more than plenty, Hyundai. Nip this one in the bud!
For example, the 2005 Odyssey (1st year of the 3rd gen Odyssey) had 5 recalls, including one for an incorrectly assembled steering column which could "lead to a loss of steering control."
Having said that, it would be good if Hyundai didn't have any further recalls on the Sonata, since it doesn't yet have the reputation for reliability that Honda has achieved.
10-01-2010, 01:57 PM
#780
10-01-2010, 02:17 PM
#781
The sizzle in the Steak
It usually takes some time to work out the kinks in a 1st year model.
For example, the 2005 Odyssey (1st year of the 3rd gen Odyssey) had 5 recalls, including one for an incorrectly assembled steering column which could "lead to a loss of steering control."
Having said that, it would be good if Hyundai didn't have any further recalls on the Sonata, since it doesn't yet have the reputation for reliability that Honda has achieved.
For example, the 2005 Odyssey (1st year of the 3rd gen Odyssey) had 5 recalls, including one for an incorrectly assembled steering column which could "lead to a loss of steering control."
Having said that, it would be good if Hyundai didn't have any further recalls on the Sonata, since it doesn't yet have the reputation for reliability that Honda has achieved.
10-19-2010, 02:02 AM
#783
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That may be because people dont prefer Hyundai's styling. Or the way their cars drive. Or their interiors.
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10-19-2010, 09:07 PM
#784
I'm the Firestarter
10-20-2010, 02:47 PM
#785
hail to the victors
http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/so...and-video.html
full review
full review
Of course, what we all want to know is how well the 3,388-pound Sonata SE 2.0T keeps up with the V6-equipped competition, so here goes. The sprint to 60 mph takes 6.6 seconds (6.2 with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip), which is just a tenth slower than the 2009 Mazda 6 V6 we previously tested. That sedan uses a much larger-displacement 3.7-liter V6 rated at 272 hp. In the quarter-mile, the Sonata 2.0T actually inches slightly ahead, clocking 14.6 seconds at 97.9 mph versus 14.7 seconds at 95.6 for the Mazda.
Our 2011 Hyundai Sonata SE 2.0T tester is also 0.4 second quicker than the 2008 Nissan Altima V6 and 0.9 second quicker than the 2008 Honda Accord V6. Of note, the 2.0T sprints to 60 mph over a second faster than the normally aspirated 2.4-liter 2011 Sonata.
Our 2011 Hyundai Sonata SE 2.0T tester is also 0.4 second quicker than the 2008 Nissan Altima V6 and 0.9 second quicker than the 2008 Honda Accord V6. Of note, the 2.0T sprints to 60 mph over a second faster than the normally aspirated 2.4-liter 2011 Sonata.
10-20-2010, 02:53 PM
#786
hail to the victors
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10-21-2010, 08:28 AM
#789
hail to the victors
anyway, more hybrid pics. it definitely stands out from midsize hybrid crowd. i like the business move here. and number is about to be confirmed at 36city / 40highway.
10-21-2010, 09:08 AM
#790
My first Avatar....
I think I like this better than the regular Sonata.
10-21-2010, 10:32 AM
#792
Senior Moderator
Id rock this over a prius or insight any day.
10-21-2010, 11:08 AM
#793
Race Director
I have a feeling they also did that so you can't make a direct comparison to the gas equivalent in terms of configuration. Can you even get the panomaric roof on the gas model?
10-21-2010, 01:21 PM
#794
I like the shape of the headlights on the hybrid better than on the non-hybrid Sonata (more like the shape of the headlights on the new Accent), as well as the sculpted foglamps.
But the front fasica, overall, is a bit much (it'll certainly let people know one is driving a hybrid which seems to be the point).
It would look better if they got rid of the top chrome bezel grill (the 2 grill-look is not a good one; look at the CR-V).
Road & Track's impressions of the turbo and hybrid.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/im...-sonata-hybrid
Last edited by YEH; 10-21-2010 at 01:33 PM.
10-21-2010, 09:59 PM
#795
10-21-2010, 10:53 PM
#796
In any case, it's has much more power than the TSX, noticeably better performance, and gets better EPA ratings (21/30 for the TSX 5AT vs. 22/34 for the Sonata 2.0T 6AT).
10-22-2010, 12:30 AM
#797
2G TSX V6 is 300lbs heavier than 2.0T Sonata and gets similar or better performance despite being hampered by 5AT and non-DI engine.
Just look at GS350 DI engine performance/fuel economny (real test fuel mpg not EPA) on Edmunds test and it is 2006 technology. It is 500lbs heavier car than Hyundai 2.0T. and it blows away it by full 1 second.
Hyundai has long way to go in engine/transmission technology application.
Look at the Rim design and red color. didnot Hyundai red is inspired by Honda?
This red exterior color & red gauges are long associated withy Honda performance models around the world.
10-22-2010, 01:27 AM
#798
OH MY GOD why did I click "View Post"
can't.... unsee.....
can't.... unsee.....
10-22-2010, 02:06 AM
#800
I shoot people
totally agree... most car companies will make the "performance" model different like MB with their AMG's or BMW with their ///M's... but Hyundai did it for the hybrid, and NOT just slap a "hybrid" emblem on it... I think that's pretty cool
