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Costco

The 2.0T is the quietest dyno run I've ever heard

nj2pa2nc

just back from test driving a turbo sonata. it is nice if you like push button start and the paddle shift.

pttl

^

Good review.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

That's interesting and I think that's a great real world number for a 270hp car. However, I'd imagine the mpg should be even better than that, considering how much tech is in that engine.

Considering the hype that turbo is way more fuel efficient, plus the direct injection, 6AT, and all those other stuff, 1mpg better in the real world than the heavier TSX with a 13 year-old engine and an ancient 5AT isn't enough IMO. I mean, to me, people say how great turbo is, how important it is to have more gears, and how much better direct injection is, but the gain is only 1mpg...hmm...I don't know......it seems to me hybrid is doing a better job in this area....

In the mean time, one is sacrificing the smoothness and sound of a V6 too. Despite the fact that I4's are in general getting very smooth, but I believe V6 engines are also improving in that area. There's always a gap. And it seems like turbo lag is still there (as shown in the 5-60mph acceleration time), despite the fact that the lag is very minimal.

Here is the TSX V6's dyno:


Not too shabby considering it's mated to Honda's ancient and inefficient 5AT.

chungkopi

i think it's tastefully done.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/sema-...-2-0t/#3527635

fsttyms1

Hot.

yohan81718

i'm not liking the rear bumper

other than that, looks pretty good

Costco

The rear bumper is , not sure how I feel about the front

I like the interior though. I'm a sucker for suede and black with red stitching

Moog-Type-S

Front is

The rear bumper is

biker

Meh - it just screams look at me but not really feeling it. And why emphasize the fact this is a two pedal model?

majin ssj eric

Looks great to me!

chungkopi

i think front is working well, but that diamond shape in rear is just killing the whole thing.

but at least it doesn't have a giant wing like Lexus GS. lol

VQPower37

that is the first hyundai looks hott!!!

pttl

fixed for me.

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Slammed too low.
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Suede on dash should be leather.

Other then that, it's ok.

chungkopi

i'm sure the real world gap isn't 1mpg. i can drive like a lunatic on my Civic and get less than 20mpg.

these are cold, hard facts.

Acura TSX
2.4L manual 20/28 Premium
2.4L auto 21/30 Premium
3.5L auto 18/27 Premium

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm

Sonata
2.4L manual 24/35 Regular
2.4L auto 22/35 Regular
2.0T auto 22/33 regular

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm


Optima
2.4L manual 24/35 Regular
2.4L auto 24/34 Regular
2.0T auto 22/34 Regular

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm


The difference is significant. it's a clear advantage especially when you factor in regular vs. premium argument. Sonata's fuel rating is actually much closer to Civic than TSX.

yohan81718

can't wait to what SSFTSX is gonna bring out after chungpoki's comment

majin ssj eric

Yeah but TSX sold in luxury high market showroom with superior lugnuts standard. Everyone knows Acura make best, most aerodynamic lugnuts in the world. Acura can charge premium price for its lugnuts and Hyundai is just not competition globally.

SSFTSX

Chungpoki data is practically irrelevent to real world data There is not single real world test where Sonota will have 5mpg difference over TSX.
For example if i go to LA on full throttle driving between 70 to 90mph. my TSX will still get 31mpg. which is beating EPA figures but Sonata cannot achieve 35mpg with such kind of driving. no one drive at constant speed of 55mph.
So it is let down of expectation. and i am driving 200lb heavier car with 5speed atuo. I am not going into very poor handling of Sonata.

biker

chungkopi

that's strange. My friend who has sonata GLS since Feb. is routinely averaging over 35mpg in highway.

Maybe he learned how to hyper mile?

2011 Hyundai Sonata: 1,065 miles on 16.07 gallons = 66.285 mpg
http://green.autoblog.com/2010/06/23...ns-66-285-mpg/

SSFTSX

Sonata GLS is 300lbs lighter car than TSX. which translate into 10%. so naturally 2 to 3 mpg advantage. but thats not the point. TSX target demographics are not those hypermill people.
TSX has handling and high speed performance and consumer will want to utlilize it. so 30 to 31mpg is excellent not decent. and 2011 TSX will be even better.

pttl

This gets so tiresome....

Except for the lugnut facts.

Shift_Acura

Where did this TSX vs. Sonata comparison start? Did you guys just skip through the Camry, Accord, Altima and Malibu? Im pretty sure those are the cars Hyundai is aiming for.

The TSX is for people looking to step into the doors of a premium brand. Nobody looking for badge will settle for a Sonata/Malibu etc.

Even if you can only afford a 323i you are still shopping in the same dealership as the guy who bought the 760i

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

That's the problem. These new turbocharged cars are designed to do well in EPA tests (or most fuel economy tests).

Why is that?

Well, if you look at the driving cycle, you will notice that there's no aggressive acceleration at all. What does that have to do with anything? Well, with a turbocharged car with DI, that means you are not running much, if any, boost. Obviously, when you are not boosting, your engine will behave like a small displacement engine. DI is an important part of this whole thing because it allows the compression ratio to be higher. And as we all know, higher compression ratio = higher efficiency.

With a larger engine, at light throttle, you have quite a bit of pumping loss. This reduces efficiency. Hence, larger engines tend to do worse in these EPA tests - unless you have some sort of device/system to reduce pumping loss (I believe the R18 in the Civic and BMW valvetronic system are some examples).

In the real world though, some people drive harder, some people drive more...mildly. And in a test environment, obviously more time is spent on driving aggressively, hence the mpg will be lower significantly for a turbocharged car. This can be seen with many VWs, the Sonata, and Audi's.

I totally believe that with turbo+DI, you can get better mpg, provided that you drive slowly. However, don't expect it to get very good mpg when you are driving hard. And I believe most enthusiasts who buy these turbocharged cars won't drive like grandma's...right? Nonetheless, it gives you that flexibility.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

It's because I was able to find info on the TSX. I haven't seen any new tests on the facelifted Accord that gets 10% better mpg with some minor tweaks. Also, the performance numbers of the current Honda vary quite a bit. The 6MT is a 13's car that traps well over 100mph while the 5AT is slow as hell as a 15s car - the Sonata would spank the 5AT Accord but the 6MT Accord would smoke it......

pttl

Point is... the TSX is not the Sonata's target. The usual appliances are....

Shift_Acura

The true test for this Sonata will be when the new Camry, Altima, Malibu and Fusion come out. Then everyone will be talking about how the new Ford or Chevy are going to knock the Camry/Accord off the top and then it will not happen and then some new car will come out and on and on it goes.

This is the most boring car segment IMO. Having a V6 or Turbo in a family car is pointless IMO. Why not just replace the Higher power motor with a Hybrid, which would make more power than the base motor but also get better mpg.

And why does the Gen coupe have the anemic 2.0T instead of this one?

smarty666

Yeah, but why do you have to go the freakin boring/ no performance route of a hybrid? That is getting old now, its nice to see a turbo engine that gets great mpg without having to go into a boring hybrid. Acura should take a clue from Hyundai and do something similar or at least, make a V6 that kicks the segments butt in mpg.

Shift_Acura

Simple. Because they have the Gen which can use the Turbo and larger 6 for performance and have the Sonata which would have decent power but also get 40+mpg. Since when does somebody buy a Family car for performance?

Hybrids are getting old now?

Turbo will EITHER give you good performance OR good mpg. Depending on how you drive it. (If you've driven a Turbo before you will know what I mean)

Shift_Acura

They already have the Turbo RDX and it gets horrible real world mpg. Just head over to the RDX sub-forum and you will see what I mean. They would most likely have to drop the Turbo and go hybrid if they want to kick butt in mpg.

(At the same time cars are getting larger and heavier, while consumers expect better and better mpg. It would suck to be a Mechanical Engineer rite now )

biker

The Chevy Equinox real world mileage is in the high 20s - that's not bad at all for a 3800 lb SUV. The similar offering from Hyundai has about the same drivetrain specs but lower mileage. GM is onto something with their latest drivetrains. Even Honda is catching up to those numbers.

smarty666

A lot of people can not afford to go into the luxury companies so why not let them get some performance in a mid-size sedan! Seems kind of selfish on your part to not let other people have some performance power. The Maxima, Altima, Taurus, Mazda 6 all have high power V6's so this idea that there is no need for performance in mid-size family sedans is just ridiculous. The options are already out there.

This Hyundai turbo is going to allow you to have good performance AND good mpg. There is no reason in this day and age of technology you can't have both!

smarty666

Yeah that's my point, Acura has a turbo that gets less power and worse fuel economy then the new Hyundai Sonata one. Acura should be able to get innovative, though recent models and direction would say otherwise, and do something similar. You mean to tell me Acura is going to have to dump hybrids into their entire line up in order to just get better fuel economy? I mean c-mon . boring boring boring!

Get innovated and have fuel efficent turbo I4's and V6 engines without having to go the boring hybrid route! If Hyundai can do it, then there is not reason Acura can not.

nj2pa2nc

we average 35+MPG on our '11 sonata 6MT. We average 31+MPG on our 06 tsx.

pttl

^
Non turbo model on that 2011?

4 more posts before we get past this page with big assed pics!

SSFTSX

how is RDX horrible fuel economy. It is 4000lbs SH-AWD SUV with heavy/wide/ tall tires on 5Speed Auto. it is not 3300 lbs 6speed Auto.
Just weigth difference alone will give 20% fuel penalty. which translate 6mpg in combined cyclie.
And have you looked at performance figures of RDX on C&D tests?. and see how much faster is Sonata turbo with 6speed and light weight. It even put it to shame for handling.

pttl

RDX sucks. It has wide tires and horrible side mirrors. It's too heavy for an SUV of it's size. It is too tall and has too much ground clearance. No SUV needs so much. Plus terrible fuel mileage on bad 5AT. Sonata is clearly superior.

biker

The turbo is not out yet so it has to be the regular Sonata, right?

Those numbers do show something that I've said for some time - some Hondas driven the same way as other cars, do get better mileage than their EPA numbers suggest.

biker

People need to learn to spread out pics over several posts.