Hyundai: Equus News
09-15-2010, 08:37 PM
#241
^ so someone from Hyundai pulling up to your driveway and taking your Equus to the dealership for service, leaving a replacement loaner in your driveway (with said replacement loaner being nothing less than an Equus), bringing your Equus back to you when you're done, and returning the loaner to the dealership - that's not impressive?
09-15-2010, 08:55 PM
#242
Burning Brakes
^ so someone from Hyundai pulling up to your driveway and taking your Equus to the dealership for service, leaving a replacement loaner in your driveway (with said replacement loaner being nothing less than an Equus), bringing your Equus back to you when you're done, and returning the loaner to the dealership - that's not impressive?
The Equus service sounds impressive, we will have to wait and see how it turns out. I'm still not sold on the whole "hiding the dealership" from the buyer experiment.
09-15-2010, 09:39 PM
#243
My only question or little kink in the chain so to speak for me in regards to the Equus servicing is this, say for instance it is a decent hit and sells pretty well for Hyundai. That's great in all, but are they going to have enough service employees at their limited amount of dealerships to offer that kind of service? I mean, aren't they going to be pretty busy servicing all the other lowly Hyundai owners that can only afford a Genesis or below in the Hyundai model chain if they have to go get Equus's for people and leave them loaners in their driveway?
Plus, I can only speak for the two local Hyundai dealers within 45 minutes from me, but everytime I've ever been there to look at cars, they have very few Genesis's on the lot. Are they going to have enough Genesis service loaners available for all the Equus ownes and still have enough of them to offer Genesis's owners when they need servicing?
Plus, I can only speak for the two local Hyundai dealers within 45 minutes from me, but everytime I've ever been there to look at cars, they have very few Genesis's on the lot. Are they going to have enough Genesis service loaners available for all the Equus ownes and still have enough of them to offer Genesis's owners when they need servicing?
09-15-2010, 10:08 PM
#244
Fahrvergnügen'd
3000 cars a year is not very many cars.
I don't think it's going to be as big an issue as we think. Plus if the cars are good then the only time they are in the shop is for recommended service which is probably every 10k miles.
I don't think it's going to be as big an issue as we think. Plus if the cars are good then the only time they are in the shop is for recommended service which is probably every 10k miles.
09-17-2010, 08:22 PM
#245
Not that it is worth anyone's time to try to educate the looney on this board, but some corrections are in order so that others aren't misled (not that it is likely considering the source of the misleading commentary).
I don't know what "losses" SS"I am blowing things out of my arse" is talking about, but Hyundai is making $$ off the sales of the Genesis in the US and likely won't take a loss in the sales of the Equus either (as long as sales aren't drastically lower than projections).
The reason why Hyundai didn't launch a premium brand/dealer network when they launched the Genesis sedan over 2 yrs ago is exactly b/c they didn't want to lose $$/have to heavily subsidize the new dealer network (just like what Lexus did when they launched the LS400).
Right now, there is bigger fish to fry (expanding further in the growing Chinese, Russian, Indian, Brazilian markets) than the contracting US auto market.
I don't know what "losses" SS"I am blowing things out of my arse" is talking about, but Hyundai is making $$ off the sales of the Genesis in the US and likely won't take a loss in the sales of the Equus either (as long as sales aren't drastically lower than projections).
The reason why Hyundai didn't launch a premium brand/dealer network when they launched the Genesis sedan over 2 yrs ago is exactly b/c they didn't want to lose $$/have to heavily subsidize the new dealer network (just like what Lexus did when they launched the LS400).
Right now, there is bigger fish to fry (expanding further in the growing Chinese, Russian, Indian, Brazilian markets) than the contracting US auto market.
Lada economy car with 3D Glonass Navigation.
About China it is not matter of If but when. once they learn transmission/engine/platforms. barrring high end Hondas/Acura/MB/Audi. Most of econo brands will be thrown out in favor of Chinese brands.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/china-co...echnology.html
China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology has proposed a new plan that would require foreign automakers to share electric vehicle technology with China’s domestic auto industry. Under the terms of the plan, any foreign automaker that refused to comply with the regulations would be banned from selling vehicles in China – the world’s largest auto market.
China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology has proposed a new plan that would require foreign automakers to share electric vehicle technology with China’s domestic auto industry. Under the terms of the plan, any foreign automaker that refused to comply with the regulations would be banned from selling vehicles in China – the world’s largest auto market.
Furthermore, Hyundai does have plans to launch a premium brand/dealer network down the road, but that is only when they have a big enough model lineup to fully support a new brand/dealer network (aside from the a new Genesis sedan and upmarket coupe, will have a 3 Series fighter and at least 1 CUV, along w/ the Equus).
And really, it is beyond ridiculous to think that Hyundai has the $$ to build more plants in China, etc., develop and build in-house a V8 engine, a 6spd and 8 spd AT, as well as hybrid and electric vehicles (most other auto companies can't go it alone and end up doing joint ventures or purchasing components from a supplier), and yet, doesn't have the resources to launch another brand in the US.
Uhh, factoring in inflation, the cost of the LS400 today would be about $61K - right about where the price of the Equus is going to be.
Gee, I guess the decent resale value for the RL, despite its limited sales volume, must be due to the special "magic dust" that only Honda can attain.
Gee, I guess the decent resale value for the RL, despite its limited sales volume, must be due to the special "magic dust" that only Honda can attain.
why would Honda lunch some thing that does not increase in price, has low sale volume and require dedicated supply and maintiance chain for V8.
09-18-2010, 02:43 PM
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Let see how much life Hyundai has in those BRIC countries. Russia has strategic partnership with Renault-Fiat groups. Just look at Autovaz-Sollers.
Lada economy car with 3D Glonass Navigation.
About China it is not matter of If but when. once they learn transmission/engine/platforms. barrring high end Hondas/Acura/MB/Audi. Most of econo brands will be thrown out in favor of Chinese brands.
I am waiting for those Hyundai plans to materialize.
It is not expensive to built plants in low wage countries. after all regulations are easier and labor is cheaper. Honda has been in this business for decades they dont want overexposure to third world interms of manufacturing. why do u think they have shunned diesel for decades which is half of the world market.
Factoring for inflation MB S and BMW 7 are half the price of what they were in 1980s. and horspower/performance/size has much more increased in those brands. Lexus LS launched with normal V8 and sitll it is V8 for mainstream.
why would Honda lunch some thing that does not increase in price, has low sale volume and require dedicated supply and maintiance chain for V8.
Lada economy car with 3D Glonass Navigation.
About China it is not matter of If but when. once they learn transmission/engine/platforms. barrring high end Hondas/Acura/MB/Audi. Most of econo brands will be thrown out in favor of Chinese brands.
I am waiting for those Hyundai plans to materialize.
It is not expensive to built plants in low wage countries. after all regulations are easier and labor is cheaper. Honda has been in this business for decades they dont want overexposure to third world interms of manufacturing. why do u think they have shunned diesel for decades which is half of the world market.
Factoring for inflation MB S and BMW 7 are half the price of what they were in 1980s. and horspower/performance/size has much more increased in those brands. Lexus LS launched with normal V8 and sitll it is V8 for mainstream.
why would Honda lunch some thing that does not increase in price, has low sale volume and require dedicated supply and maintiance chain for V8.
10-19-2010, 02:09 PM
#247
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Hyundai Motor America today announced pricing for the all new 2011 Hyundai Equus luxury sedan, which will go on sale nationwide in December.
The 2011 Equus will hit dealerships in 2 configuration including Equus Signature and Equus Ultimate. Both will be powered by a 4.6L Tau V8 making 385-hp and a peak torque of 333 lb-ft of torque (378-hp / 324 lb-ft using regular fuel) mated to a ZF 6-speed automatic.
Prices for the 2011 Hyundai Equus Signature will start at $58,000 while the Hyundai Equus Ultimate will start at $64,500. Up to $64,500 for a Hyundai? How does the Korean automaker plan on justifying such a price tag?
“We’re confident that smart luxury buyers will discover that Equus competes well with similar flagship products from Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Audi and Lexus,” said John Krafcik, Hyundai Motor America president and CEO. “But the traditional luxury brands simply can’t compete with the unique retail and ownership experience we’ll be providing for the Equus owner, including “Your Time, Your Place,” the industry’s first at-home vehicle demonstration program; the “At Your Service” program, which provides complimentary valet at-home pickup and no-charge maintenance for five years or 60,000 miles; and the industry’s first Apple iPad-based interactive owner’s manual.”
Hyundai plans on selling 45,000 units annually.
10-19-2010, 04:34 PM
#249
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45,000 wow that's an ambitious goal.
10-19-2010, 05:42 PM
#251
The sizzle in the Steak
Hyundai is going to learn a hard lesson with this vehicle.
10-19-2010, 05:51 PM
#252
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They were talking on what ever news show i was watching that the expected number was much much less.
I for one if i were looking at buying a car of that size, price and such would most positively look at this over the Germans and Lexus, especially for the price now.
I for one if i were looking at buying a car of that size, price and such would most positively look at this over the Germans and Lexus, especially for the price now.
10-19-2010, 07:47 PM
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i'm with fsttyms1. if i was considering cars in this class, i'd definitely look at equus before other ones especially LS
price look fine. whether it can sell well outside of korea, we'll have to see
price look fine. whether it can sell well outside of korea, we'll have to see
10-19-2010, 08:14 PM
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10-19-2010, 08:31 PM
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it's a bit high and ambitious at this point. The LS is a bargain compared to the Germans. But the Equus isn't such a bargain compared to the LS, though. And as plain as the LS is, I think the outside is more elegant than the Equus, which doesn't seem to have benefited from Hyundai's recent styling direction.
10-19-2010, 08:47 PM
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10-19-2010, 09:02 PM
#258
I'm the Firestarter
The "L" on the front. 
10-20-2010, 08:40 AM
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10-20-2010, 09:39 AM
#261
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I hope this car does well...
10-20-2010, 04:26 PM
#264
The amount of attention this car receives when I drive it is unbelievable. One guy literally stepped out in traffic to stop me and ask me about it. It draws a crowd just about everywhere it goes.
Even if only a small percentage of the people who have shown interest to me personally actually buy this car, it won't have much trouble achieving the target.
Obviously the Genesis is doing well enough for the company to justify taking the risk of rolling out the big brother.
10-20-2010, 05:08 PM
#265
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^ 
It was on the news as 2k a year in the US.
It was on the news as 2k a year in the US.
10-20-2010, 05:40 PM
#266
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4500 units sounds more like it.
10-21-2010, 09:49 AM
#268
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This car looks really good as a premium luxury car with a bargain price. I just wonder, if you have the means for a premium luxury car (e.g. upwards of $60k) wouldn't you just go ahead and do the MB, BMW, Audi, Lexus thing rather than ride around in a very nice Hyundai? Just having to explain yourself to all your multi-millionaire friends would be reason enough not to consider the car.....
10-21-2010, 10:30 AM
#269
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This car looks really good as a premium luxury car with a bargain price. I just wonder, if you have the means for a premium luxury car (e.g. upwards of $60k) wouldn't you just go ahead and do the MB, BMW, Audi, Lexus thing rather than ride around in a very nice Hyundai? Just having to explain yourself to all your multi-millionaire friends would be reason enough not to consider the car.....
10-21-2010, 12:00 PM
#270
60k might be at the high end of someones budget that wouldnt allow them to get the Benz/Audi etc with all the same options and this car delivers a lot of car for the price. I for one wouldnt be embarrassed to drive this car with its great looks and features vs price. I would consider myself a savvy buyer saving myself lots of money.
RL with 6speed Auto will be faster, handles better with 5 to 6 mpg better fuel economy and Japanese Honda are world leader interms of fit & finish. Edmunds has already declared RL better than Germans for setting the bar for luxury build quality.
10-21-2010, 12:32 PM
#271
I'm the Firestarter
The Equus higher ground clearance makes it far superior than any competing Japanese car.
10-21-2010, 12:51 PM
#272
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Larger side view mirrors too.
10-21-2010, 01:23 PM
#273
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The grille and proportions of the car seem to be in order as well.
10-21-2010, 01:38 PM
#274
Hyundai is getting close to the goal for the sedan; the coupe, not so much.
The LS460 is nice, but Toyota just ruined it w/ that new grill.
Hyundai will probably be able to move 150-200 units of the Equus monthly, making it a modest success.
The next generation Equus will have a bigger impact, esp. since it will likely be sold under the Genesis nameplate (Hyundai UK is pushing to launch the Genesis nameplate in Britain w/in the next 2 years).
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10-22-2010, 11:08 AM
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2011 RL will be bette choice in terms of prestige, performance and depreciation. so you save even more money than buying this boat.
RL with 6speed Auto will be faster, handles better with 5 to 6 mpg better fuel economy and Japanese Honda are world leader interms of fit & finish. Edmunds has already declared RL better than Germans for setting the bar for luxury build quality.
RL with 6speed Auto will be faster, handles better with 5 to 6 mpg better fuel economy and Japanese Honda are world leader interms of fit & finish. Edmunds has already declared RL better than Germans for setting the bar for luxury build quality.
#1: Most people in the videos and reviewers have mistake the Equus for a 7-Series, S-Class, or Maybach. The RL is never mistaken for these (more like the Accord).
#2: The Equus is already proven to perform better than the RL.
#3: Depreciation is speculation. You're no expert (more like a lunatic) so you have zero credability in estimation of such.
#4: The RL is rated for 22 mpg highway, worse than the 24 that the 385 horsepower Equus can do (and the Equus can be run on regular, which the RL REQUIRES premium).
#5: I've sat in the new Equus at an auto show. It destroys any Honda in history (including the Acura RL) on the interior in features, design, and quality.
#6: When you talk about value, why don't you include things like Hyundai's 10Y/100K warranty or the fact that they'll do EVERYTHING for you and you never have to go to a dealer. They come to your home to present the car to you, pick it up for service, etc. Wait I know why you don't....it blows your case out of the water.
Troll.
10-22-2010, 11:34 AM
#276
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2011 RL will be bette choice in terms of prestige, performance and depreciation. so you save even more money than buying this boat.
RL with 6speed Auto will be faster, handles better with 5 to 6 mpg better fuel economy and Japanese Honda are world leader interms of fit & finish. Edmunds has already declared RL better than Germans for setting the bar for luxury build quality.
RL with 6speed Auto will be faster, handles better with 5 to 6 mpg better fuel economy and Japanese Honda are world leader interms of fit & finish. Edmunds has already declared RL better than Germans for setting the bar for luxury build quality.
RL better build quality
http://www.detnews.com/article/20101...#ixzz136O5EQdX
10-22-2010, 12:27 PM
#277
Go sit in one and tell me Honda has superior fit and finish, and better build quality (which i would like to know how you can state this without even having driven, sat or any long term information on the car)
RL better build quality
http://www.detnews.com/article/20101...#ixzz136O5EQdX
RL better build quality
http://www.detnews.com/article/20101...#ixzz136O5EQdX
It has nothing to do with new car rattles, squeaks and bald tires due to lose suspension. (Aka BMW/Jaquar).
I can forsee 2011 RL to be faster or as fast as V8 Geneisis/Eq with better economy. superior tire noise suppression, superior handling, breaking, more robust active noise cancellation.
All the key features that separate Premium brand from family boat.
10-22-2010, 01:11 PM
#278
Punk Rocker
THey are recalling 2005-2007 model year vehicles. so they are already 4 to 5 years old. second it is possible. it does not mean it happened.
It has nothing to do with new car rattles, squeaks and bald tires due to lose suspension. (Aka BMW/Jaquar).
I can forsee 2011 RL to be faster or as fast as V8 Geneisis/Eq with better economy. superior tire noise suppression, superior handling, breaking, more robust active noise cancellation.
All the key features that separate Premium brand from family boat.
It has nothing to do with new car rattles, squeaks and bald tires due to lose suspension. (Aka BMW/Jaquar).
I can forsee 2011 RL to be faster or as fast as V8 Geneisis/Eq with better economy. superior tire noise suppression, superior handling, breaking, more robust active noise cancellation.
All the key features that separate Premium brand from family boat.
10-22-2010, 01:25 PM
#279
Three Wheelin'
it's funny but yet sad that every review or comments posted from various sources never mentioned "Acura" as a competitor; it's always bmw, mercedes, lexus, etc...even audi hardly gets mentioned. acura should just throw away that "A" and put back the "H", call itself an entry-level luxury brand instead of a "luxury" brand and be done with it.
i wouldn't mind owning an Equus but for $60k+ large, i think i rather spend it on a MB or Lexus. i like that big "L" and "star"; it just brings more attention than a crooked "H".
though i'm a honda/acura fan and driver for so many years, it's sad to say that there are no current honda/acura product that can match the current genesis interior fit and quality. just imagine what the equus would be like then....
i wouldn't mind owning an Equus but for $60k+ large, i think i rather spend it on a MB or Lexus. i like that big "L" and "star"; it just brings more attention than a crooked "H".
though i'm a honda/acura fan and driver for so many years, it's sad to say that there are no current honda/acura product that can match the current genesis interior fit and quality. just imagine what the equus would be like then....
10-22-2010, 01:34 PM
#280
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acura fanboi's head is going to explode after it reads that.
acura fanboi's head is going to explode after it reads that.