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That is ridiculous. Literally everything 10th gen owners have been complaining about in the US model is included in the Canadian model. And for less money. WTF.
I wonder if the US model gets anything that the Canadian model doesn't (doubt it, based on the sped sheet).
Not silly, just pointing out how overpriced the Golf R for what it is considering it's built on a econo-sedan platform compared to the underpriced C8 built with more overall quality/performance/technology/contentization/.... with a purpose built aluminum chassis no less. Hence the probable reason for people waiting for a C8 and while discounts for the R.
And the C8 is profitable as well, pretty outstanding what Tadge and his folks at Bowling Green are doing. What happens when a University of Rochester mechanical engineer goes to then Stanford for a MBA and spends 42 years on the Corvette
Anyway gotta get back on topic, sorta amusing 2022 Si reviews. Quite a few YouTube auto media folks were out for the intro. Sounds like the overall Si is better overall despite the loss of quite a few feature functions, still don't get why the decontentization of the 11G Si considering it's a competitive marketspace.
Really don't know why or how a C8 came up in conversation here but a Golf R at $40k doesn't seem crazy given the market. Competitive cars are the same price or more. A C8 Corvette is nearly double the price tag at MSRP and way more than double for actual selling price.
Really don't know why or how a C8 came up in conversation here but a Golf R at $40k doesn't seem crazy given the market. Competitive cars are the same price or more. A C8 Corvette is nearly double the price tag at MSRP and way more than double for actual selling price.
I brought it in cause I find the C8 amazing in terms of styling, feature, feature, quality, performance,... for the price..., FWIW, a base 2022 C8 MSRP is not double a base R's MSRP, it's only ~40% more.
As for transaction prices C8's are not even top of the list, still getting over MSRP but now it's a waiting game as Bowling Green is down to one assembly shift due to supply chain woes
Friend is waiting again for a 2LT/Z51, he'll have to suffer with his 2019 ZL1 in the meantime but he's been told from the dealership it's a waiting game.
There's currently 22 Telluride SX within 75 miles of me, 9 new, 13 used & 1 CPO; only 5 of which (with photos) show having the Nightfall pkg (4 used) priced at 55-66k
Not silly, just pointing out how overpriced the Golf R for what it is considering it's built on a econo-sedan platform compared to the underpriced C8 built with more overall quality/performance/technology/contentization/.... with a purpose built aluminum chassis no less. Hence the probable reason for people waiting for a C8 and while discounts for the R.
Just on the last page, you were talking up the Civic Type R, which is an overpriced car that is built on an economy car chassis.
Secondly, the Golf R does not share a chassis with the regular Golf. The architecture is shared with the E-Golf. The floor pan between the E/R is different from the Golf/GTI (this is because they needed to fit batteries/rear differential). It's the main reason the E-Golf and Golf R isn't available with a sunroof in the states - VW would have had to federalize two separate chassis' for those low volume sellers, and it wasn't worth it. Taking this information into account, the Golf R is $9k more than the "base" car it is built on (the E-Golf - MSRP of $31,895 in 2019, the last MY both vehicles were available simultaneously). The Civic Type R on the other hand costs $15k more than the car it is based on - the Civic hatchback (MSRP of $22,200, using the 2021 MY for the same reason as the Golf).
On the topic of the C8 pricing, a 13 second search for "corvette transaction price 2021" brought this page up as the first result:
In an emailed statement to GM Authority, General Motors Car, Performance and Motorsports Communications Assistant Manager Trevor Thompkins confirmed that the average transaction price for the 2021 Corvette during the month of February, 2021 was $86,185. Critically, that’s a massive $26,000 increase over the previous-generation C7 Corvette.
As a reminder, pricing for the 2021 Corvette starts at $59,900 for 1LT Coupe models, and $67,400 for 2021 Corvette Stingray 1LT Convertible models. Note that those prices do not include the $1,095 Destination Freight Charge.
Just on the last page, you were talking up the Civic Type R, which is an overpriced car that is built on an economy car chassis.
Secondly, the Golf R does not share a chassis with the regular Golf. The architecture is shared with the E-Golf. The floor pan between the E/R is different from the Golf/GTI (this is because they needed to fit batteries/rear differential). It's the main reason the E-Golf and Golf R isn't available with a sunroof in the states - VW would have had to federalize two separate chassis' for those low volume sellers, and it wasn't worth it. Taking this information into account, the Golf R is $9k more than the "base" car it is built on (the E-Golf - MSRP of $31,895 in 2019, the last MY both vehicles were available simultaneously). The Civic Type R on the other hand costs $15k more than the car it is based on - the Civic hatchback (MSRP of $22,200, using the 2021 MY for the same reason as the Golf).
On the topic of the C8 pricing, a 13 second search for "corvette transaction price 2021" brought this page up as the first result:
I'm still not really sure why the C8 Corvette is even part of this discussion lol. There are lots of cars that are good value for money, the Golf R being one of them.
Just on the last page, you were talking up the Civic Type R, which is an overpriced car that is built on an economy car chassis.
Secondly, the Golf R does not share a chassis with the regular Golf. The architecture is shared with the E-Golf. The floor pan between the E/R is different from the Golf/GTI (this is because they needed to fit batteries/rear differential). It's the main reason the E-Golf and Golf R isn't available with a sunroof in the states - VW would have had to federalize two separate chassis' for those low volume sellers, and it wasn't worth it. Taking this information into account, the Golf R is $9k more than the "base" car it is built on (the E-Golf - MSRP of $31,895 in 2019, the last MY both vehicles were available simultaneously). The Civic Type R on the other hand costs $15k more than the car it is based on - the Civic hatchback (MSRP of $22,200, using the 2021 MY for the same reason as the Golf).
On the topic of the C8 pricing, a 13 second search for "corvette transaction price 2021" brought this page up as the first result:
Didn't know that about the R, but the link you stated showed
average transaction price
which shows all the models (2) and trims (3) which makes sense as to total vehicle sales/number. A C8 1LT still is ~$61K MSRP, and Golf R is ~$44 MSRP And the C8 sure has a heck of alot better infotainment and dash
I'm still not really sure why the C8 Corvette is even part of this discussion lol. There are lots of cars that are good value for money, the Golf R being one of them.
Just to throw in some side channel performance engineering analysis with the C8 and the Golf R seems overpriced considering what it is, and stir up those former "Acura" employees
Preliminary tune picks up about 20hp at peak, but torque is up by about 50lb-ft throughout the midrange. Area above the curve looks great. Gains look similar to the 10G Si, but with a higher starting point.
50lb-ft is pretty big, but there's a bit of gamesmanship going on since the y-axis starts at 160. The graph makes the jump look almost like a doubling.
From everything i've gathered with performance reflash tunes, generally TQ numbers are greater than HP. In my case, stage 1 tunes varied for my 2.0T X3 vs my 3.0T X3. With the 2.0T, the gains were 67hp, 102ft-lbs tq and for my M40i, 35hp, 53ft-lbs tq. Now, i'm running a bit more aggressive tune at 85hp, 83ft-lbs tq due to my downpipe. Nice gain for the Civic. It will be felt, at least the with the TQ. Will feel generally more responsive and less held back.
Originally Posted by fiatlux
50lb-ft is pretty big, but there's a bit of gamesmanship going on since the y-axis starts at 160. The graph makes the jump look almost like a doubling.
I watched the Hondata video last night, and they mentioned that it's a preliminary CARB tune. At best, it's on 91 octane, but if they got the car from a dealer there's a good chance theres only 87 in it. Those numbers are impressive given the engine size.
I'm a bit bummed that the US model got decontented while the Canadian version didn't, but I am still thinking about picking one up as a stopgap car until the market cools down (I also want to get out of the VW while the resale is still near what I paid). It's a MASSIVE downgrade from the Golf, but I drive ~50 miles a week - literally to and from daycare Mon-Fri, nothing else; we drive the CR-V the rest of the time.
I watched the Hondata video last night, and they mentioned that it's a preliminary CARB tune. At best, it's on 91 octane, but if they got the car from a dealer there's a good chance theres only 87 in it. Those numbers are impressive given the engine size.
I'm a bit bummed that the US model got decontented while the Canadian version didn't, but I am still thinking about picking one up as a stopgap car until the market cools down (I also want to get out of the VW while the resale is still near what I paid). It's a MASSIVE downgrade from the Golf, but I drive ~50 miles a week - literally to and from daycare Mon-Fri, nothing else; we drive the CR-V the rest of the time.
Why don't you just drive the CRV to daycare and go down to one car?
Work schedules won't allow that. I work from home, the female doesn't. She works 7-4. I work 8-5. She also doesn't go to the same site every day through the week, and there are some days (like today) where she has to be at work by 5am.
It's the main reason the E-Golf and Golf R isn't available with a sunroof in the states - VW would have had to federalize two separate chassis' for those low volume sellers, and it wasn't worth it.
Did the Mk7 not offer one? Because the upcoming Mk8 has a panoramic sunroof.
Work schedules won't allow that. I work from home, the female doesn't. She works 7-4. I work 8-5. She also doesn't go to the same site every day through the week, and there are some days (like today) where she has to be at work by 5am.
Then I'd just get a beater Civic or something along those lines over buying a new car in today's market. Nothing is going to be shittier than spending MSRP on a Civic Si lol.
Originally Posted by RPhilMan1
Did the Mk7 not offer one? Because the upcoming Mk8 has a panoramic sunroof.
The non E/R Golf models (the base and GTI) had a sunroof or one was optional. The E/R weren't available with a sunroof.
Work schedules won't allow that. I work from home, the female doesn't. She works 7-4. I work 8-5. She also doesn't go to the same site every day through the week, and there are some days (like today) where she has to be at work by 5am.
There is one thing - paying new car prices on used cars.
Or worse, paying over MSRP for used.
Looked around last week, 4 used Telluride SX Nightfall for MSRP & up to $10k over MSRP, with around 20k miles
Local Ford dealer has a Bronco Sport OBX, for about $6k over MSRP
Looked around last week, 4 used Telluride SX Nightfall for MSRP & up to $10k over MSRP, with around 20k miles
Local Ford dealer has a Bronco Sport OBX, for about $6k over MSRP
As long as morons are willing to pay these prices, this is going to continue.
Speaking of more money used than new, I'm legitimately thinking about selling the Tesla and making a nice profit from it. Even my wife's Subaru is currently worth $5k more than we bought it for.
Speaking of more money used than new, I'm legitimately thinking about selling the Tesla and making a nice profit from it. Even my wife's Subaru is currently worth $5k more than we bought it for.
If you have another car to drive, do it...
If not, you still have to buy another car new or used at the inflated price.. so you are not really gaining anything.
my 2016 CR-V is worth more than what i bought it for 3 YEARS AGO... i am thinking about selling it everyday hahaha But my parents do use it sometimes.. so .. shit
If not, you still have to buy another car new or used at the inflated price.. so you are not really gaining anything.
my 2016 CR-V is worth more than what i bought it for 3 YEARS AGO... i am thinking about selling it everyday hahaha But my parents do use it sometimes.. so .. shit
I have the Jeep but gas is expensive and the fuel economy of a lifted Wrangler is laughable so I don't daily drive it.
I'm probably going to order a Rivian R1T though. All depends on when that would arrive.
Luckily, you've got time before the this bonkers market bubble pops.
My dad's listing his 300k miles 02 Silverado for something like $13k, if it sells, he's going to order a Hybrid Maverick for a DD & keep the 6.2 Denali for when he needs mo powa.
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in the meantime but he's been told from the dealership it's a waiting game.
And the C8 sure has a heck of alot better infotainment and dash 
Anything to give some extra punch to this thing though.
