Costco

I mean, that's what this car does best. Dual-purpose daily and track. There were heat issues, so in response Honda made proper iterative improvements as you could expect in a MMC.

If we're comparing apples to apples at least, the MSRP on the 2020 only went up by a few hundred. I can't think of any examples where the value proposition wins out for the brand-new model. Unless it's one of those cars that is so in demand that used models go for higher than a new one's MSRP.

As long as you can disable Honda sense or adjust the sensitivity (I am unfamiliar with it) there really isn't much reason to go with a previous year, other than money and some subjective differences.

civicdrivr

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You'd be hard pressed to find a used model under $32k that doesn't have a branded title.

biker

Tesla aficionados may find some.

Costco

That's true too, now that I think of when I was shopping for CTRs. Went from looking for a used model, then to new 2019s, then waiting for a new 2020 with the new changes.

Ultimately shelved the idea altogether for numerous reasons.

that's what I was thinking of when I mentioned this:

nist7

The CTR may not be the best example, but of course value proposition is unique to each individual buyer.

I think there are plenty of examples of one MY newer models that, IMO, have significant value proposition as a new model vs the prior used years due to the new model year changes:

• 2020 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray vs 2019 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray - obvious huge upgrade that is well worth getting new @ MSRP
• 2021 Toyota Supra vs 2020 Toyota Supra (big power bump, other updates)
• 2019 Shelby GT350 vs 2018 Shelby GT350 (updated Voodoo motor, better sound system)

I guess to be fair, the Corvette may not be totally fair as it is a generational leap instead of mid-model gen update. Most mid-gen updates are not that huge. The Supra update is quite surprising how huge of a power bump it is from 2020 to 2021

To each their own I guess.

Costco

Whoops, I should have clarified: it's rare that the new model-year of the same generation is worth it, but those are some good examples. Definitely agree there. Reminds me now of when the Mustang got the Coyote motor, and going back a bit further, the C5 Z06. People that got the older models were salty.

Subjective of course, but I would take a C7 GS with MRC over the new C8. It's the ideal Corvette for a daily, plus it is available with a manual. Kind of surprised me that Jack (Savagegeese) had one, but I can definitely see why.

Alright. If it's the same generation and unless there's a huge power bump, it's usually not worth it (or fair) to compare new vs. used

fiatlux

Don't forget the 2012 vs 2013 9G Civics.

SamDoe1

Well of course, it's a great track car but that doesn't mean people will track them lol. I bet the majority just drive them to work and around town. It's great that they did the improvements, glad they were listening unlike many other brands.

Why would you want to disable Honda Sensing?

There's a bunch on cars.com for ~$30k-$32k. New ones are ~$38k MSRP if you can get it for that.

I think the Jetta's did it too.

civicdrivr

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That's exactly where I was looking. You may need a carfax account to verify, but they have branded titles.

SamDoe1

Well if that's the case then definitely go new if you can get one at MSRP. I was skipping the ones at shady looking dealerships and only looking at the reputable big name outlets.

The other model out there that makes very little sense to get a lightly used one is a Wrangler. Something that I seriously cannot explain why they hold their value so well.

nist7

OH yeah....Wranglers are notorious for crazy used prices. It's become meme-like in its status with how much people want for their used Wranglers

When the delta between lightly used and brand new is quite small....often it makes more sense to get the brand new one for all of those benefits.

Costco

For sure I wish they went with the mostly-black seats in the EDM CTR Sport Line (https://www.autoblog.com/2020/02/19/...#slide-2211059), and went to 19s, but they have their reasons not to.

I felt that Honda Sensing was a great thing (read: lower insurance costs) but some complaints I read is the collision mitigation braking can be overly sensitive. The radar/lidar/whatever gets a bad return, thinks it needs to intervene since you aren't slowing down, then stabs the brakes... except whatever object it stopped for doesn't actually exist.

I suppose the option to disable it would defeat the safety benefit. Idk.

SamDoe1

Granted I've never tried the Honda version but both the VW and Subaru versions in both of our cars work extremely well and have never been overly sensitive. The VW's system is radar based like Honda while Subaru is vision (camera) based. It will loudly beep at you and display a notification well before it slams on the brakes. The Jeep will just plow into whatever.

tl;dr, you should probably try it, I think it's much better than you think it is.

civicdrivr

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The collision mitigation braking has acted up on us once in the CRV, but it was a very specific circumstance. It was a main road, three lanes each way, with two left turn lanes. We were in the left most turn lane heading to the (green) light at about 30-40mph. A pick up was making a u-turn about 4 car lengths up, and as we approached, the CRV slammed on the brakes - hard. The pickup would have been out of our lane by the time we got within a carlength, but the car thought otherwise. I was glad no one was behind us though.

The VW system otoh is known for slamming on the brakes if you're coming out of a steep driveway - it thinks the road surface is an object and will slam on the brakes. There's many posts in the FB groups and on the forums, and it's happened to me in the past as well.

SamDoe1

I've never had the steep driveway problem but I can see that as being a thing. Not sure any system would do much different though.

Either way, you can disable all of this stuff though I wouldn't. Yes it may overreact on rare occasions but it could also get you out of a pickle if shit went sideways for real.

civicdrivr

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It's helped me on two occasions. It stays on. LKA on the other hand is off unless I'm roadtripping.

SamDoe1

Same. The LKA is annoying AF when around town. It tends to want to follow those black tar sealing strip things instead of lane lines. The version in the Subaru is the worst, once it triggers it bounces between the lines and is hard to regain control. I leave that off even on the highway.

F23A4

Goodbye coupe: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-discontinued/

Costco

... and nothing of value was lost. It was an ocular offense.

RPhilMan1

I still see quite a few Civic and Accord coupes around here.

But, if it helps increase hatchback sales, that's OK with me.

SamDoe1

zero fucks given about loss of accord coupe. Bring accord wagon in its place.

civicdrivr

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Give us the hatchback in Si trim. I would've gone with that after the GTI and opted for a second car for weekend duty. The sedan is hideous and the coupe found a way to be even uglier.

iforyou

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Si hatch would be nice.

AZuser

I'm pretty sure an Accord wagon would sell in lower numbers than an Accord coupe... and the (discontinued) Accord 2.0T with 6MT

Acura gave us a TSX wagon (essentially an Accord wagon) but demand was horrible. It's hard to justify such a niche vehicle when demand isn't there.

Face it, we're in an SUV/CUV/truck world and manufacturers are chasing after those buyers because that's where the big profits are.

biker

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...rn-147988.html

00TL-P3.2

The front looks a little oversized, but overall, it looks pretty great.
Rear is very A3, to me.

civicdrivr

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I'm seeing strong A3/Jetta cues there.

SamDoe1

Looks like a better looking BMW 2GC.

SSFTSX

is this real pics?. look like enlarged Honda City. Civic are sport version of City. so Civic design sit much lower to the ground.

justnspace

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What?
are you even real?

SamDoe1

The City is a shittier version of the Fit for emerging markets.

SSFTSX

honda city much more comfortable and spacious than Honda Jazz. Infact if Honda launch City in US market. It will take upto 80% market of Civic. Civic will become niche vehicle.
https://www.motoroids.com/reviews/20...cvt-automatic/
Overall, we think the Honda City trumps its closest competitor, the Hyundai Verna by miles when it comes to backseat space and comfort and that is a big draw for the Indian audience.

oonowindoo

amazing guy.... but it is not a Civic right? so why are we talking about it...

SSFTSX

There is picture of Civic in red for 2021 that seem influence by City. Honda always differentiated City from Civic by making City more spacious and comfortable and Civic more lower with firm ride.
people like tall seating position of City with more compliant ride. so it is highly unlikely that next Civic will look like City.

oonowindoo

so why were you talking about City again?

csmeance

back on topic folks, not honda city vs a random hyundai....

biker

Maybe a bit of reading comprehension is in order:

Kinda the same way you imagine some things........

biker

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/09/02/...ition-pricing/

civicdrivr

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That's an expensive paint job.

AZuser

I'm surprised Honda hasn't done another Mugen Civic Si or Civic RR like with the 7th gen.