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Old 02-01-2008, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
You think the E60 looks better than those CG's???? You freakin blind or something?
He is just trying to justifying buying a a current fugly 528.
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Post BMW to Debut 5 Series Lifestyle, Exclusive and Sport Editions at Geneva

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Hoping to inject a dose of high class into the already sporty and respectable 5 Series, BMW plans to introduce three special-edition lineups of the sedan and wagon at Geneva. The Sport, Exclusive and Lifestyle editions are designed to appeal to the various portions of the 5 Series' widely varied customer base. Each is distinguished by unique paint colors and trim.

The Exclusive edition is set apart by its Platinum Bronze Metallic paint and additional chrome on the body. 17-inch alloy wheels and a wood-trimmed interior establish the Exclusive edition as the luxury car of the family. The Lifestyle edition is designed to appeal to more active 5 Series owners, with satin-finish chrome and a lighter interior featuring a leather and Reflex cloth interior. The Lifestyle's unique color is Neptune Blue. For the gearheads, the Sport edition gets BMW's signature racing colors--Imola Red or Le Mans Blue--as well as 18-inch M alloys, a body kit and an M sport suspension.

Naturally, the 5 Series' fantastic driving dynamics haven't been touched, and we've heard of no plans for exclusive powertrain changes to any of the special editions. The additions to the lineup will make it easier for 5 Series owners to tailor a car to specific desires straight from the factory.





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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
You think the E60 looks better than those CG's???? You freakin blind or something?
Now that you start the name calling, I'll just call you an idiot. The photochop is just an imitation of the 3 series front and back. Imitation is low. The new Honda Accord imitates the current 5 series and ended being a poor design job.

The 5 series is well designed. Have you driven one lately?
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What if you did a freshening and no one could tell?
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Post 2011 BMW M5 will get 5.5L V10 Engine

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Still two years away, the next generation 2011 BMW M5 development is well underway and will arrive a year after the regular 5-series. Now Brits over at autocar have uncovered the Germans are working on a successor to the 507hp 5.0-liter V10 which has won countless awards including the engine of the year in 2005 & 2006 and has just been awarded the Engine of the year in the above 4-liter category for 2008.

The New 5.5-liter V10 will see power rise to 550hp and will be mated to BMW's new seven-speed M DCT doube-clutch transmission or the six-speed manual gearbox. To combat the extra displacement's effect on emissions and fuel economy, the new engine will likely get a direct injection turbo-charged unit and BMW's stop-start technology which automatically switches the engine off when it is not being used such as when the car is stopped in traffic.

The 2011 M5 will also benefit from an intelligent alternator control system which monitors the battery and makes use of energy that is usually wasted with its regenerative braking. The new technology increases the vehicle's power and fuel economy without sacrificing performance.

The picture above shows a protoype for the new BMW M5 caught testing last year when WCF exclusively uncovered the new engine will get twin-turbos.
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Old 05-15-2008, 09:20 PM
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very nice...

BMW is up to something and I love it...
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CTS-V will still out run it
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
CTS will still out run it
You don't know that yet.
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550HP V10 - where have I seen those numbers.....
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Originally Posted by biker
550HP V10 - where have I seen those numbers.....
they say its gonna be 550+...

Old 05-16-2008, 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by srika
they say its gonna be 550+...

It better be.... half a liter increase in displacement and an added turbocharger? only 50 horses? I can see it if there's another 100 lb/ft but only 50 hp increase?

Hope the next 5-series has much better styling. One thing's for sure... the CTS-V looks leaps and bounds better than the E60 M5, or any E60 for that matter.
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^ me and srika are talking but the NSX engine.
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Originally Posted by biker
^ me and srika are talking but the NSX engine.
no I was talking about the M5 engine.
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Originally Posted by nokiaman
You don't know that yet.
Its still got gobs of torque more. I dont doubt GM
Old 05-16-2008, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
AMG-ETR got one?????? i hate that guy, lol....
doesnt the e55 beat this in the 1/4?
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Originally Posted by stangg172004
doesnt the e55 beat this in the 1/4?
not by a hell of a lot, but yeah. but, there's more to the driving experience than the 1/4 mile.. I prefer the more precise handling of the M5 over the floaty feel of the E55.
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Originally Posted by srika
no I was talking about the M5 engine.
The article says 550HP not more - it's the NSX article that said 550+.
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Originally Posted by biker
The article says 550HP not more - it's the NSX article that said 550+.
I read 550+ for the M5 somewhere else.
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whats the point? Where the hell you going to drive it? Most of the folks in downtown TO don't drive their M5's faster then 60km/h.
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I dont believe this news. If this news calls for an upping of displacement to 5.5 liters and the addition of DI and two turbos, it just does not make sense. Unless if horsepower is targeted to at least 625 or more, it does not make sense.

First M cars dont get turbos based on philosohpy according to BMW. They always liked to have their M cars get high rpm engines with high power to displacement ratios and relatively low torque levels considering peak power. Unless this very specific philosphoy changed, I dont see that happening.

Second, adding direct injection and two turbos will bring torque to very high levels and change the whole character of the car, not only engine-wise but also the way it handles. It will more resemble the x65 AMG cars than M cars of the past.

Third, if they indeed BMW are changing directions in their philosphoy of their M cars, then displacement should be going down if anything, to say 4.8 liters or even lower in order to keep gas consumption down, per the articles claims.
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I would totally believe the engine adding 500 cc and keeping true to its 100 HP per liter tradition or close to that. So there is your 550HP. I also do believe the addition of DI. But not turbos.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I dont believe this news. If this news calls for an upping of displacement to 5.5 liters and the addition of DI and two turbos, it just does not make sense. Unless if horsepower is targeted to at least 625 or more, it does not make sense.

First M cars dont get turbos based on philosohpy according to BMW. They always liked to have their M cars get high rpm engines with high power to displacement ratios and relatively low torque levels considering peak power. Unless this very specific philosphoy changed, I dont see that happening.

Second, adding direct injection and two turbos will bring torque to very high levels and change the whole character of the car, not only engine-wise but also the way it handles. It will more resemble the x65 AMG cars than M cars of the past.

Third, if they indeed BMW are changing directions in their philosphoy of their M cars, then displacement should be going down if anything, to say 4.8 liters or even lower in order to keep gas consumption down, per the articles claims.

m division is diffusing itself.. if you've seen the pics of the x5-m..
bmw has also said that it will reduce weight and include the use of turbos for future cars.. whether that includes the m division will yet be seen
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Yeah I didn't read anywhere that the M5 was getting turbos. Maybe the M5 news is getting mixed up with the V8TT the regular 5 is supposed to get.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I would totally believe the engine adding 500 cc and keeping true to its 100 HP per liter tradition or close to that. So there is your 550HP. I also do believe the addition of DI. But not turbos.
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I gues BMW was tired of the M5 getting shitting on by everyone including Cadillac.
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http://www.motorauthority.com/news/s...bmw-m5-saloon/

Preview: 2010 BMW M5 saloon
Posted on Monday 2 June 2008

Next year will see the launch of two critical models for German labels BMW and Mercedes-Benz, with both the next-generation 5-series and E-Class sedans plus their different variants expected to be released over the next 12 months. Mercedes-Benz will be first to the table with the launch of its new E-Class and subsequent E63 due at next year’s Geneva Motor Show, however later that same year BMW will unveil its next-generation 5-series.

The car will likely debut at the Frankfurt Motor Show in the second half of the year and could be joined by the high-performance M5 as well. This latest rendering gives us an early look at a possible design for the new car, revealing that will likely adopt influences from the current M3 but will also feature a pronounced grille and a smoother overall shape than the current model.

A V10 engine will return but could be enhanced with a pair of turbochargers and an extra 500cc in displacement. Expect to see power levels up around the 550 to 580hp mark to bring it into line with Audi’s recently revealed RS6. The likely transmission will be BMW’s new M-DCT dual-clutch system, as found in the M3.

Performance will also be improved thanks to the extensive use of lightweight materials including carbon-fiber and aluminum. The car’s construction will be a hybrid of an aluminum spaceframe for the front section, and a traditional steel monocoque for the passenger compartment and rear. This will ensure a favorable front-to-rear weight distribution and improved handling. Up front will be an independent suspension with MacPherson struts, with a multi-link layout for the rear. Expect to see an unpainted carbon roof and more of the lightweight material possibly used for the boot and fender panels.

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Wondering how accurate the picture is...seems way too big for me.
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Thank God they added more power it needed it so much.
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I know dawg. I would have liked to see 650-700hp but 550-580 is OK for now.
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that pic looks much better i think.

it's funny to me because i thought the M5 was the hottest car on the road when it came out. but over the years, i've liked it less and less while i started to appreciate the E55/63 more and more.
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
that pic looks much better i think.

it's funny to me because i thought the M5 was the hottest car on the road when it came out. but over the years, i've liked it less and less while i started to appreciate the E55/63 more and more.
To me I think I would rather save the money and get an M3. Then I would probably get cheap again and get a chipped 335i.
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Post Next Generation BMW M5 to Get Twin Turbo V8 from X6

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With the launch of the next generation F10 BMW 5-Series arriving in 2010, the high-performance M5 version is to follow a year later. However, the M5 will lose its Formula One inspired naturally aspirated V10 engine, according to Automotive News.

Despite the low volume 2002 Turbo of 1973 and E23 745i of the mid 1980's, BMW engineers have historically turned away from forced induction in favor of high revving naturally aspirated engines - from a performance point of view. However, with turbo technology advancements over the past decade, turbo charging has turned into a viable alternative to high displacement engines with comparable performance characteristics.

The first evidence of the changing BMW mindset was in 2006 with the award winning N24 3.0-liter twin-turbo inline 6 cylinder engine found in the BMW 335i E92 Coupe. Since them, this engine has found its way into the entire BMW model range.

Therefore, it's no surprise, BMW's newest turbo engine, the 4.4-liter V8 found in the X6 SUV, will be optimized for more power and put into the new M5 model due in 2011. According to an insiders, the new M5 will produce, "400 kW (536hp) and more of output."

Currently, Audi holds the horsepower title amongst German auto makers with their 580hp twin turbo V10 Audi RS6.
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Finally.... a model worthy of that engine. The X6 reminds me of the Subaru Baja.... in the way of making me and think to myself "who the eff would ACTUALLY buy that?"
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Finally.... a model worthy of that engine. The X6 reminds me of the Subaru Baja.... in the way of making me and think to myself "who the eff would ACTUALLY buy that?"
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
lies.... twin turbo V8 M5 > twin turbo V8 X6
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
I saw one while in Easthampton LI over the weekend and let's just say pics do not do it justice.
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The actual car will of course look different. The F10 will come out in 2010 as 2011 models.

Twin turbo on M5 is reasonable. The torque is useful and gas mileage will be improved.

When you can have all the fun in M3, it makes the M5 a difficult car to build.


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