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#3601
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by mrdeeno
When Acura announces that the TL will have twin turbos, 400+ hp, dual-clutch sequential manual tranny, and be based on a RWD platform, then we'll talk about "newer technologies". Hell, if Acura announces they have a production V6 that's NOT the j-series, we'll talk about "newer technologies" and how they negate the disadvantages of AWD.
But considering that they did NOTHING with "newer technologies" to negate the disadvantages of AWD in their FLAGSHIP model, what makes you think they'll use any on the TL, especially considering that the TL's strength is "value"?
But considering that they did NOTHING with "newer technologies" to negate the disadvantages of AWD in their FLAGSHIP model, what makes you think they'll use any on the TL, especially considering that the TL's strength is "value"?
neither is a new V6.
stop blithering random nonsense and do some research. The GT-R uses ultra-low friction bearings in the wheel hubs to reduce drivetrain losses. A simple upgrade that could negate one of the disadvantages of SH-AWD.
#3602
Originally Posted by TommySalami
Aren't the new Hyundai models built here in America?
The Americans "HAVE" the ability to make good quality products, but they are F#@KIN' LAZY and SLOPPY. THAT's what's so messed up...... Their attitudes are just messed up... man...
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#3603
Originally Posted by Manual Transmission
Not the news ones.... The Genesis cars are to be built in Ulsan, South Korea. It's nothing like those crappy American car factories and with lame union labor.. = shitty job = f#@k'ed up build quality.
The Americans "HAVE" the ability to make good quality products, but they are F#@KIN' LAZY and SLOPPY. THAT's what's so messed up...... Their attitudes are just messed up... man...
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The Americans "HAVE" the ability to make good quality products, but they are F#@KIN' LAZY and SLOPPY. THAT's what's so messed up...... Their attitudes are just messed up... man...
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#3604
Originally Posted by JJaber06
You're acting like you traded the TL in for a Bently. Get real bro, you went from one mass production car to another. A japanese one at that, you act like you're driving around in a Mercedes or a BMW
Before you traded the TL in, you bashed anything that wasn't a manual transmission. Almost every thread had you praising Hyundai or a manual transmission, and you ended up trading your 6MT TL for an automatic Lexus.
Don't get me wrong, the IS350 is a great car, its just funny how easily persuaded you are Why not a manual Hyundai? I mean, they are the best company in the world...If you have so much passion towards them, makes ya wonder why you're not driving around in one right now.
BTW, I think its time for a SN change..
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#3605
Originally Posted by JJaber06
Holy crap, can one of the mods ban this guy already.
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#3606
Originally Posted by Manual Transmission
I'm just speaking the truth. It is true. The American car makers do sh#tty job building cars. It's so f#@kin slob it's not even funny. They can't even get the Acura TL dashboard to mount correctly. It's uneven and there are HUGE gaps all over the freakin interior (between dash and doors, doors on the exterior, and many other parts). I got so disgusted.
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@ taking out a 550, M3, or 335. All of those cars would destroy your little Toyota, as they're actually built for performance. Not to mention i'd actually feel safe driving those cars at high speeds...the Lexus...not so much, too mushy for my tastes.
Anyways, back on topic. You don't have to ruin yet another thread with your korean and japanese pride.
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
twin turbos isn't the solution to parasitic driveloss.
neither is a new V6.
stop blithering random nonsense and do some research. The GT-R uses ultra-low friction bearings in the wheel hubs to reduce drivetrain losses. A simple upgrade that could negate one of the disadvantages of SH-AWD.
neither is a new V6.
stop blithering random nonsense and do some research. The GT-R uses ultra-low friction bearings in the wheel hubs to reduce drivetrain losses. A simple upgrade that could negate one of the disadvantages of SH-AWD.
Why you bring up specifics in the GT-R is beyond me, because it has nothing to do with the point. But further, SH-AWD = heavy w/ parasitic losses. One of MANY ways to negate those losses is to increase available power, ie my example of twin turbo. I am using it as an example of "newer technology" that Acura could use to negate the loss in power.
Further, I brought up the V6 as another example of how Acura is NOT quick into bringing "new technologies" to their products. So if they aren't even willing to bring a new engine to their models, why wouild they bother with more exotic "newer technologies" into a near-luxury car?
Please, learn to comprehend before you call my posts "random nonsense".
#3608
Originally Posted by mrdeeno
Wow, is English a 2nd language to you? I hope so, because you completely missed the point of everything i posted. My POINT is that Acura/honda is not one to quickly embrace new technologies.
Why you bring up specifics in the GT-R is beyond me, because it has nothing to do with the point. But further, SH-AWD = heavy w/ parasitic losses. One of MANY ways to negate those losses is to increase available power, ie my example of twin turbo. I am using it as an example of "newer technology" that Acura could use to negate the loss in power.
Further, I brought up the V6 as another example of how Acura is NOT quick into bringing "new technologies" to their products. So if they aren't even willing to bring a new engine to their models, why wouild they bother with more exotic "newer technologies" into a near-luxury car?
Please, learn to comprehend before you call my posts "random nonsense".
Why you bring up specifics in the GT-R is beyond me, because it has nothing to do with the point. But further, SH-AWD = heavy w/ parasitic losses. One of MANY ways to negate those losses is to increase available power, ie my example of twin turbo. I am using it as an example of "newer technology" that Acura could use to negate the loss in power.
Further, I brought up the V6 as another example of how Acura is NOT quick into bringing "new technologies" to their products. So if they aren't even willing to bring a new engine to their models, why wouild they bother with more exotic "newer technologies" into a near-luxury car?
Please, learn to comprehend before you call my posts "random nonsense".
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Originally Posted by JJaber06
Although I agree about the parasitic loss from an AWD system, most buyers have no idea what the hell that is. The sticker says 310hp, and that automatically makes it faster than the 300 HP competitor in the consumers eye
(But to those who fail at comprehension, like vishnus11, giving a car more power, whether a bigger engine, twin turbos, etc. to compensate for parasitic losses would be "random nonsense" )
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#3610
VTECRacer, there is no flaw in Lexus IS250/350, GS, ES, and SC models. They are all made in a beautiful country called Japan... They are built with spirits. The car makers there are highly disciplined, just like Ulsan factory in Korea, have very high standards and their QC is exceptional. The only Lexus models that are built in U.S.A/ Canada are RX series (IIRC) and ES models. The ES350 is built like crap. So I'm not saying all Lexus and all Hyundai cars are all good. Only the ones made in Japan and Korea (especially the brand new models like Genesis and maybe Azera) are made with spirits.... lolz...
In my IS350 interior there is absolutely no flaw.. everything is aligned perfectly and the gaps are very tight and even. it's dead even and so well detailed. the dashtop feels so dang good. It feels almost as good and soft as leather when it is not. It's nothing like Acura TL's dashtop. You can feel cheap plastic and rubber. It feels like some heavy duty cheap material and I don't feel anything high quality about it. I was so let down with the Acura. got me depressed and I took some pills.
lolz...
Oh man. But you know what... aside from ugly looking exterior of the new RL, the build quality should be very good, close to Lexus GS series. That's how it has been with the past gen RL's.... don't know if they keep this up on the new RL model or wut..... but like I sed, the '09 TL will be built in America. i'm pretty dang sure. Any objections?
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In my IS350 interior there is absolutely no flaw.. everything is aligned perfectly and the gaps are very tight and even. it's dead even and so well detailed. the dashtop feels so dang good. It feels almost as good and soft as leather when it is not. It's nothing like Acura TL's dashtop. You can feel cheap plastic and rubber. It feels like some heavy duty cheap material and I don't feel anything high quality about it. I was so let down with the Acura. got me depressed and I took some pills.
lolz...
Oh man. But you know what... aside from ugly looking exterior of the new RL, the build quality should be very good, close to Lexus GS series. That's how it has been with the past gen RL's.... don't know if they keep this up on the new RL model or wut..... but like I sed, the '09 TL will be built in America. i'm pretty dang sure. Any objections?
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#3611
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Originally Posted by Manual Transmission
The first 4 gears are extremely tight, enough to take out 335i and E46 M3 and 550i. It's good upto 125 mph
The only time a IS350 will outaccelerate a BMW 335i, M3, or 550i would be if it was dropped off a cliff.
And American labor is only partly responsible for build quality. Suppliers and more importantly engineering decisions, such as how many clips to use for a panel etc. are responsible for build quality. Its easy to blame the guys who put it all together, but at the end of the day their only following instructions. Yes, I still feel that American factory workers don't have the same 'passion' and 'attention to detail' as their American counterparts, but that isn't the source of ALL build quality problems.
#3612
The IS350 is rocket fast. The 4th gen TL or Type-S will not even come close to it. Hell, I'm very confident that they will be slower than the current 3rd gen TL Type-S 6MT...
it goes like this, from 0-125 mph:
IS350 > C5 Corvette Coupe > C5 Corvette Convertible > BMW E46 M3 Coupe > BMW 335i > BMW E46 M3 Convertible > '08 Nissan 350z 6MT > '08 Infiniti G35S Sedan 6MT > Mazda Speed6 > '08 Honda S2000 > '08 Acura TL Type-S 6MT > etc etc etc etc. .... ....
The 3rd gen TL 5AT runs around 7 sec in 0-60 and 15.5~ 16 sec in the quarter mile.
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it goes like this, from 0-125 mph:
IS350 > C5 Corvette Coupe > C5 Corvette Convertible > BMW E46 M3 Coupe > BMW 335i > BMW E46 M3 Convertible > '08 Nissan 350z 6MT > '08 Infiniti G35S Sedan 6MT > Mazda Speed6 > '08 Honda S2000 > '08 Acura TL Type-S 6MT > etc etc etc etc. .... ....
The 3rd gen TL 5AT runs around 7 sec in 0-60 and 15.5~ 16 sec in the quarter mile.
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#3613
Originally Posted by Automatic Transmission
VTECRacer, there is no flaw in Lexus IS250/350, GS, ES, and SC models. They are all made in a beautiful country called Japan... They are built with spirits. The car makers there are highly disciplined, just like Ulsan factory in Korea, have very high standards and their QC is exceptional. The only Lexus models that are built in U.S.A/ Canada are RX series (IIRC) and ES models. The ES350 is built like crap. So I'm not saying all Lexus and all Hyundai cars are all good. Only the ones made in Japan and Korea (especially the brand new models like Genesis and maybe Azera) are made with spirits.... lolz...
In my IS350 interior there is absolutely no flaw.. everything is aligned perfectly and the gaps are very tight and even. it's dead even and so well detailed. the dashtop feels so dang good. It feels almost as good and soft as leather when it is not. It's nothing like Acura TL's dashtop. You can feel cheap plastic and rubber. It feels like some heavy duty cheap material and I don't feel anything high quality about it. I was so let down with the Acura. got me depressed and I took some pills.
lolz...
Oh man. But you know what... aside from ugly looking exterior of the new RL, the build quality should be very good, close to Lexus GS series. That's how it has been with the past gen RL's.... don't know if they keep this up on the new RL model or wut..... but like I sed, the '09 TL will be built in America. i'm pretty dang sure. Any objections?
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In my IS350 interior there is absolutely no flaw.. everything is aligned perfectly and the gaps are very tight and even. it's dead even and so well detailed. the dashtop feels so dang good. It feels almost as good and soft as leather when it is not. It's nothing like Acura TL's dashtop. You can feel cheap plastic and rubber. It feels like some heavy duty cheap material and I don't feel anything high quality about it. I was so let down with the Acura. got me depressed and I took some pills.
lolz...
Oh man. But you know what... aside from ugly looking exterior of the new RL, the build quality should be very good, close to Lexus GS series. That's how it has been with the past gen RL's.... don't know if they keep this up on the new RL model or wut..... but like I sed, the '09 TL will be built in America. i'm pretty dang sure. Any objections?
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oh and fixed your post. @ took some pills
My sister's ES350 is hardly built like crap. Yes, it is built better than the TL, but neither are even close to being crap.
#3614
Originally Posted by vishnus11
Do pass some of whatever your smoking...
The only time a IS350 will outaccelerate a BMW 335i, M3, or 550i would be if it was dropped off a cliff.
And American labor is only partly responsible for build quality. Suppliers and more importantly engineering decisions, such as how many clips to use for a panel etc. are responsible for build quality. Its easy to blame the guys who put it all together, but at the end of the day their only following instructions. Yes, I still feel that American factory workers don't have the same 'passion' and 'attention to detail' as their American counterparts, but that isn't the source of ALL build quality problems.
The only time a IS350 will outaccelerate a BMW 335i, M3, or 550i would be if it was dropped off a cliff.
And American labor is only partly responsible for build quality. Suppliers and more importantly engineering decisions, such as how many clips to use for a panel etc. are responsible for build quality. Its easy to blame the guys who put it all together, but at the end of the day their only following instructions. Yes, I still feel that American factory workers don't have the same 'passion' and 'attention to detail' as their American counterparts, but that isn't the source of ALL build quality problems.
As for the IS350, this is not even argument. By average it is clearly faster than all three ( E46 M3, 550i, and 335i) from 0- quarter mile AND upto 125 mph. The M5 will slightly edge out the IS350 though.
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#3615
Originally Posted by I Go To Costco
oh and fixed your post. @ took some pills
My sister's ES350 is hardly built like crap. Yes, it is built better than the TL, but neither are even close to being crap.
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#3616
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by Manual Transmission
The IS350 is rocket fast. The 4th gen TL or Type-S will not even come close to it. Hell, I'm very confident that they will be slower than the current 3rd gen TL Type-S 6MT...
it goes like this, from 0-125 mph:
IS350 > C5 Corvette Coupe > C5 Corvette Convertible > BMW E46 M3 Coupe > BMW 335i > BMW E46 M3 Convertible > '08 Nissan 350z 6MT > '08 Infiniti G35S Sedan 6MT > Mazda Speed6 > '08 Honda S2000 > '08 Acura TL Type-S 6MT > etc etc etc etc. .... ....
The 3rd gen TL 5AT runs around 7 sec in 0-60 and 15.5~ 16 sec in the quarter mile.
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it goes like this, from 0-125 mph:
IS350 > C5 Corvette Coupe > C5 Corvette Convertible > BMW E46 M3 Coupe > BMW 335i > BMW E46 M3 Convertible > '08 Nissan 350z 6MT > '08 Infiniti G35S Sedan 6MT > Mazda Speed6 > '08 Honda S2000 > '08 Acura TL Type-S 6MT > etc etc etc etc. .... ....
The 3rd gen TL 5AT runs around 7 sec in 0-60 and 15.5~ 16 sec in the quarter mile.
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3G TL 5AT - 0 to 60 in ~6.1 seconds
3G TL 6spd - 0 to 60 in ~ 5.8 seconds
3G TL-S 6spd - 0 to 60 in ~ 5.5 seconds
IS350 6AT - 0 to 60 ~ 5.0 seconds
335i - 0 to 60 ~ 4.9 seconds
E46 M3 - 0 to 60 ~ 4.8 seconds
^ Refer to R&T or MT for these numbers
When you have REAL numbers with proof from reputable sources, then get back to me. Till then, go drive your IS350 off a cliff if you want to outaccelerate an M3 - then again you mightn't need to - with its soggy handling, I'm sure it'll understeer its way off one.
#3617
Originally Posted by Automatic Transmission
The IS350 is rocket fast. The 4th gen TL or Type-S will not even come close to it. Hell, I'm very confident that they will be slower than the current 3rd gen TL Type-S 6MT...
it goes like this, from 0-125 mph:
IS350 > C5 Corvette Coupe > C5 Corvette Convertible > BMW E46 M3 Coupe > BMW 335i > BMW E46 M3 Convertible > '08 Nissan 350z 6MT > '08 Infiniti G35S Sedan 6MT > Mazda Speed6 > '08 Honda S2000 > '08 Acura TL Type-S 6MT > etc etc etc etc. .... ....
The 3rd gen TL 5AT runs around 7 sec in 0-60 and 15.5~ 16 sec in the quarter mile.
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it goes like this, from 0-125 mph:
IS350 > C5 Corvette Coupe > C5 Corvette Convertible > BMW E46 M3 Coupe > BMW 335i > BMW E46 M3 Convertible > '08 Nissan 350z 6MT > '08 Infiniti G35S Sedan 6MT > Mazda Speed6 > '08 Honda S2000 > '08 Acura TL Type-S 6MT > etc etc etc etc. .... ....
The 3rd gen TL 5AT runs around 7 sec in 0-60 and 15.5~ 16 sec in the quarter mile.
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#3618
3G TL 5AT are slow cars. The only time you'll see 6.1 sec from 0-60 is in the steep downhill, at maybe 45 degree angle. You pray and give it the best shot it's got and you mighly luckily get 6.3 sec. That's with VSA off of course. Otherwise you will be seeing 7~ 7.2 sec in 0-60. The 3G Type-S 6MT can do 5.5 sec though. The IS350 actually gets 4.9 sec with normal launching. With VSC off and brake-torque it actually gets down to 4.4~ 4.5 sec and 0-100 in 11 sec, and quarter mile at 13.2x sec. All of your information you posted is completely wrong. The magazine numbers you posted up doesn't mean anything.
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#3619
6G TLX-S
Originally Posted by JJaber06
The J series is pretty solid, the only thing it lacks is DOHC, which isn't really necessary IMO. Nissan/Infiniti have been using the VQ for ages, and its served them well. Nobody really knows how the J37 will perform in a sports sedan just yet, but we can only hope for the best. Although I agree about the parasitic loss from an AWD system, most buyers have no idea what the hell that is. The sticker says 310hp, and that automatically makes it faster than the 300 HP competitor in the consumers eye
So FWD Acura's can have no more than 290hp. However, all other Acura competitors have been releasing 300+ hp cars. In order to match hp with these rivals, Acura has to release 300+ hp cars too. With FWD out of the question, there are only two other choices : RWD or AWD. Since Acura has yet to come up with a RWD chassis, it is FORCED to use AWD for anything moving which have more than 290 hp.
AWD is expensive, complex, heavy, fuel wasting, and power robbing. Even though most buyers won't know what parasitic loss is, even a retarded person can tell that an AWD car has slower throttle response and initial spin-up.
When Honda/Acura is so dedicated for it's gas-sipping engines and good fuel economy, AWD is something that Honda/Acura is not to be proud of.
Hopefully, with the gradual arrival of RWD chassis, Acura can fight back with 300+ hp RWD cars that are fast, high-tech, and most importantly fuel efficient.
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Originally Posted by Manual Transmission
3G TL 5AT are slow cars. The only time you'll see 6.1 sec from 0-60 is in the steep downhill, at maybe 45 degree angle. You pray and give it the best shot it's got and you mighly luckily get 6.3 sec. That's with VSA off of course. Otherwise you will be seeing 7~ 7.2 sec in 0-60. The 3G Type-S 6MT can do 5.5 sec though. The IS350 actually gets 4.9 sec with normal launching. With VSC off and brake-torque it actually gets down to 4.4~ 4.5 sec and 0-100 in 11 sec, and quarter mile at 13.2x sec. All of your information you posted is completely wrong. The magazine numbers you posted up doesn't mean anything.
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C&D: 5.1s
MT: 5.5s
R&T: 6.0s
Edmunds: 6.1s
Where are you pulling 4.9 with a normal launch? I think I have an idea. lexus themselves estimate a 5.6, ;and that is dead on the average of all the mags.
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#3621
Team Owner
STOP!
IS350- fast in straight and thank god it is RWD but ride like a boat so
TL-S - slower but cheaper and
Stop arguing ! If you are driving an automatic TL, you know you will get the IS350 in a heart beat if they were the same price. too bad IS is 10k more than TL.
Still IS350 :ghey:
IS350- fast in straight and thank god it is RWD but ride like a boat so
TL-S - slower but cheaper and
Stop arguing ! If you are driving an automatic TL, you know you will get the IS350 in a heart beat if they were the same price. too bad IS is 10k more than TL.
Still IS350 :ghey:
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
STOP!
IS350- fast in straight and thank god it is RWD but ride like a boat so
TL-S - slower but cheaper and
Stop arguing ! If you are driving an automatic TL, you know you will get the IS350 in a heart beat if they were the same price. too bad IS is 10k more than TL.
Still IS350 :ghey:
IS350- fast in straight and thank god it is RWD but ride like a boat so
TL-S - slower but cheaper and
Stop arguing ! If you are driving an automatic TL, you know you will get the IS350 in a heart beat if they were the same price. too bad IS is 10k more than TL.
Still IS350 :ghey:
#3623
The IS is RWD, but Lexus has their joykilling stability control system that you can't completely turn off without doing some ridiculous cheat code with the brake pedal, so its kinda moot. Not only does the stability control on Lexus hamper the fun, it also negatively affects handling at the limit.
Fast in a straight line is about it. The IS350 is pretty much like a 60's muscle car with a nice interior.
Fast in a straight line is about it. The IS350 is pretty much like a 60's muscle car with a nice interior.
#3624
The IS350 doesn't give boat-like ride if you opt for a sport package. The factory tuned suspension and 18" wheels do a lot of help. It seems to absorb bumps better and yet tight and firm. And surprisingly, the it doesn't have body roll like I thought it would be. It turns lightly and agile than the TL 6MT. I have been very impressed with my IS350. Today I received a present from Tom Wood Lexus. They gave me a box of delicious chocolate! Ohhhhh how sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!~. I love it.
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#3625
Costcoman, the '07~'08 IS350 no longer require pedal-dance to disable Traction Control. It now simply requires a press of a button for 4 sec. Lexus tries to make Lexus drivers happy.
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#3626
from v-tec........ http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=769060
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#3628
Team Owner
Originally Posted by Manual Transmission
Costcoman, the '07~'08 IS350 no longer require pedal-dance to disable Traction Control. It now simply requires a press of a button for 4 sec. Lexus tries to make Lexus drivers happy.
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ok there is not even ONE vehicle in the whole entire toyota/lexus line up right now that doesnt feel like a boat.
the only way you like the way your IS350 feels now is if your last car was a Crown Victoria.
U wanna know what a REAL sports sedan rides like? go drive a E90 335 or a G35S Sedan. They will make ur IS350 feel like a convention van.
IS350 is fast in straight with toyota built realiability and that's about it.
oh also, Chicks dig it. fucking brand whores.
#3630
Originally Posted by TypeSAddict
What are you smoking dude?! IS350's running 4.4 to 60???
C&D: 5.1s
MT: 5.5s
R&T: 6.0s
Edmunds: 6.1s
Where are you pulling 4.9 with a normal launch? I think I have an idea. lexus themselves estimate a 5.6, ;and that is dead on the average of all the mags.
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C&D: 5.1s
MT: 5.5s
R&T: 6.0s
Edmunds: 6.1s
Where are you pulling 4.9 with a normal launch? I think I have an idea. lexus themselves estimate a 5.6, ;and that is dead on the average of all the mags.
Fanboy
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#3632
Originally Posted by Texas
from v-tec........ http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=769060
Kinetic/Reaction Blue Pearl
what a short/rare production run that was...
best TL-S color
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C&D did 5.8 in the TL http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test
Seriously though the IS 350 is faster than a corvette? Really? Faster than a 335i? Seriously?
Also if you think "there is no flaw in the IS" your mistaken.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362040
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361600
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361930
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361942
I got all those threads off the first page of clublexus. I didnt search they are all on the first page of the 2G IS homepage at clublexus.
I personally like the IS 350 I think they are great and would love to have one. However, that arent THAT perfect and arent faster than a corvette.
Seriously though the IS 350 is faster than a corvette? Really? Faster than a 335i? Seriously?
Also if you think "there is no flaw in the IS" your mistaken.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362040
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361600
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361930
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361942
I got all those threads off the first page of clublexus. I didnt search they are all on the first page of the 2G IS homepage at clublexus.
I personally like the IS 350 I think they are great and would love to have one. However, that arent THAT perfect and arent faster than a corvette.
#3635
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by mrdeeno
Wow, is English a 2nd language to you? I hope so, because you completely missed the point of everything i posted. My POINT is that Acura/honda is not one to quickly embrace new technologies.
Why you bring up specifics in the GT-R is beyond me, because it has nothing to do with the point. But further, SH-AWD = heavy w/ parasitic losses. One of MANY ways to negate those losses is to increase available power, ie my example of twin turbo. I am using it as an example of "newer technology" that Acura could use to negate the loss in power.
Further, I brought up the V6 as another example of how Acura is NOT quick into bringing "new technologies" to their products. So if they aren't even willing to bring a new engine to their models, why wouild they bother with more exotic "newer technologies" into a near-luxury car?
Please, learn to comprehend before you call my posts "random nonsense".
Why you bring up specifics in the GT-R is beyond me, because it has nothing to do with the point. But further, SH-AWD = heavy w/ parasitic losses. One of MANY ways to negate those losses is to increase available power, ie my example of twin turbo. I am using it as an example of "newer technology" that Acura could use to negate the loss in power.
Further, I brought up the V6 as another example of how Acura is NOT quick into bringing "new technologies" to their products. So if they aren't even willing to bring a new engine to their models, why wouild they bother with more exotic "newer technologies" into a near-luxury car?
Please, learn to comprehend before you call my posts "random nonsense".
- Adding twin-turbos and a gazzilion hp doesn't STOP or REDUCE high drivetrain loss. REDUCING drivetrain loss via ultra low friction bearings REDUCES drivetrain losses. I used the GT-R as an example. Thats all I said
As for your direct injection, twin turbo, non J series world - my are that it doesn't matter. Does the current V6 perform as well, or outperform competiting V6s? In terms of power, NVH, efficiency, and emissions?
It does. Audi's V6 in the A4 makes 265hp. Mercedes 6 in the C350 makes 300hp. The G35 sedan makes 306. the IS350 makes 306. The new TL will make 310hp? In terms of power, I don't see a problem. Only the 335i makes more (in reality), but since its advertised at 300hp the average consumer will think that the TL compares favorably.
All the above is simply a comparison of power. The average luxury car buyer is concerned just as much with NVH. The J series compares well in this regard, especially against the VQ35 in the G, which sends all kinds of vibrations up through the car in manual guise. In fact, Infiniti themselves stated this month in EVO that they would be revising the car for the European market with changes to the sound deadening and firewall I recall, to eliminate this vibration.
And probably the most important thing everyone will be looking at is efficiency. The current TL does remarkably well and most every owner here has reported roughly 29-30mpg hwy, and 21-22mpg city. In this respect, I can't speak for the new G35, but the 1G got around 23mpg hwy and 17-18 city. The IS350 delivers promising mileage too. I'm sure the new TL will continue the trend.
Direct injection sounds like a great idea. As does turbocharging. And a DOHC design. But if it the current engine is class competitive and indeed class leading in some points of view, why change it?
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Manual Transmission, TL 5AT, 2nd gen and 3rd gen, would do 0-60 in 6.2 - 6.5s, according to most mags, such as C&D and MT, and 1/4 mile in 14.7-15. Obviously the 6MT is much faster, but the 5AT is faster than 7-7.2/15.5, unless the driver is a noob, or the car is not running properly, or the condition is not good.
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
random nonsense it is...before you critisize reading comprehension, learn some basics...
- Adding twin-turbos and a gazzilion hp doesn't STOP or REDUCE high drivetrain loss. REDUCING drivetrain loss via ultra low friction bearings REDUCES drivetrain losses. I used the GT-R as an example. Thats all I said
As for your direct injection, twin turbo, non J series world - my are that it doesn't matter. Does the current V6 perform as well, or outperform competiting V6s? In terms of power, NVH, efficiency, and emissions?
It does. Audi's V6 in the A4 makes 265hp. Mercedes 6 in the C350 makes 300hp. The G35 sedan makes 306. the IS350 makes 306. The new TL will make 310hp? In terms of power, I don't see a problem. Only the 335i makes more (in reality), but since its advertised at 300hp the average consumer will think that the TL compares favorably.
All the above is simply a comparison of power. The average luxury car buyer is concerned just as much with NVH. The J series compares well in this regard, especially against the VQ35 in the G, which sends all kinds of vibrations up through the car in manual guise. In fact, Infiniti themselves stated this month in EVO that they would be revising the car for the European market with changes to the sound deadening and firewall I recall, to eliminate this vibration.
And probably the most important thing everyone will be looking at is efficiency. The current TL does remarkably well and most every owner here has reported roughly 29-30mpg hwy, and 21-22mpg city. In this respect, I can't speak for the new G35, but the 1G got around 23mpg hwy and 17-18 city. The IS350 delivers promising mileage too. I'm sure the new TL will continue the trend.
Direct injection sounds like a great idea. As does turbocharging. And a DOHC design. But if it the current engine is class competitive and indeed class leading in some points of view, why change it?
- Adding twin-turbos and a gazzilion hp doesn't STOP or REDUCE high drivetrain loss. REDUCING drivetrain loss via ultra low friction bearings REDUCES drivetrain losses. I used the GT-R as an example. Thats all I said
As for your direct injection, twin turbo, non J series world - my are that it doesn't matter. Does the current V6 perform as well, or outperform competiting V6s? In terms of power, NVH, efficiency, and emissions?
It does. Audi's V6 in the A4 makes 265hp. Mercedes 6 in the C350 makes 300hp. The G35 sedan makes 306. the IS350 makes 306. The new TL will make 310hp? In terms of power, I don't see a problem. Only the 335i makes more (in reality), but since its advertised at 300hp the average consumer will think that the TL compares favorably.
All the above is simply a comparison of power. The average luxury car buyer is concerned just as much with NVH. The J series compares well in this regard, especially against the VQ35 in the G, which sends all kinds of vibrations up through the car in manual guise. In fact, Infiniti themselves stated this month in EVO that they would be revising the car for the European market with changes to the sound deadening and firewall I recall, to eliminate this vibration.
And probably the most important thing everyone will be looking at is efficiency. The current TL does remarkably well and most every owner here has reported roughly 29-30mpg hwy, and 21-22mpg city. In this respect, I can't speak for the new G35, but the 1G got around 23mpg hwy and 17-18 city. The IS350 delivers promising mileage too. I'm sure the new TL will continue the trend.
Direct injection sounds like a great idea. As does turbocharging. And a DOHC design. But if it the current engine is class competitive and indeed class leading in some points of view, why change it?
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Originally Posted by JJaber06
What are you talking about KEE KEE KEE LOLZ its made in JAPANS!!! home of the spirits!! LOLZ
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Manual Transmission, TL 5AT, 2nd gen and 3rd gen, would do 0-60 in 6.2 - 6.5s, according to most mags, such as C&D and MT, and 1/4 mile in 14.7-15. Obviously the 6MT is much faster, but the 5AT is faster than 7-7.2/15.5, unless the driver is a noob, or the car is not running properly, or the condition is not good.
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^ Don't say that. I'm pretty sure you'll get good times out of your Type-S 5AT. I have a feeling those 2nd gen could run a little better than the 3rd gen 5AT. You are a cool guy. Give me hug.