Acura: TLX News
#2881
Liquid Ice
Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
I just had this thought. Since Acura is going to put out the TL-S again, it makes the RL redundant.
It will make the RL sales even worse now I would think. The only thing separating the RL and TL-S is the AWD and that the RL is Made in Japan.
It will make the RL sales even worse now I would think. The only thing separating the RL and TL-S is the AWD and that the RL is Made in Japan.
Some people might buy a TL-S instead of an RL, true but I don't think it makes the RL redundant.
There's more to a car than horsepower and there's certainly a lot of car manufacturers that have a higher horsepower version in the "low end" than their higher end cars. (M3 versus 5 series? M5 is faster, but there's no Type S version of the RL).
#2882
Yes, but the RL is still too similar to the TL for it's own good. They are built off the same basic platform and have the same basic engine (in TL-S form). They are also very similar in terms of size. Their audio/nav systems are also quite similar (the most obvious exception being the Real Time traffic avoidance feature in the RL). In my opinion, Acura needs to add cooled seats, more power (20-25hp at least), larger wheels/tires and higher quality leather to the RL ASAP, otherwise they need to resign themselves to continue selling the RL for around $40k-45k. It's sad to say, but the new RL can't come soon enough. Let's hope it's a bit bigger (especially in the back seat) and has at least a turbocharged or hybrid V6 with 340-360hp as it's top powerplant.
#2884
It's a mesh grille, I'm pretty sure that's the only difference. The headlights look like they got a little bigger, the front doesn't seem to have that squinty-eye look anymore. It resembles the TSX now.
#2885
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ok, I compared alot of pics, looks liek the shapes of the headlights and grille are the same, but the materials are different. the grille has that mesh liek the concept car did, a chrome bar, and the headlights have a blacked out housing, with chrome sides and a much smaller amber piece.
whew, i thought we were gonna have to make another kit for this refresh. Tell you what, the next bodystyle will be NUTS, gonna do some really sick shit with it.
whew, i thought we were gonna have to make another kit for this refresh. Tell you what, the next bodystyle will be NUTS, gonna do some really sick shit with it.
#2886
Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
I just had this thought. Since Acura is going to put out the TL-S again, it makes the RL redundant.
It will make the RL sales even worse now I would think. The only thing separating the RL and TL-S is the AWD and that the RL is Made in Japan.
It will make the RL sales even worse now I would think. The only thing separating the RL and TL-S is the AWD and that the RL is Made in Japan.
#2887
Originally Posted by rondog
ok, I compared alot of pics, looks liek the shapes of the headlights and grille are the same, but the materials are different. the grille has that mesh liek the concept car did, a chrome bar, and the headlights have a blacked out housing, with chrome sides and a much smaller amber piece.
whew, i thought we were gonna have to make another kit for this refresh. Tell you what, the next bodystyle will be NUTS, gonna do some really sick shit with it.
whew, i thought we were gonna have to make another kit for this refresh. Tell you what, the next bodystyle will be NUTS, gonna do some really sick shit with it.
Ron, there is a difference in the grill.. check it out in this comparison:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...&page=79&pp=25
#2888
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Originally Posted by invincible569
They are still winning by keeping the sales. Would Acura rather have someone go to Infiniti or Lexus instead? No, keep it in the family (profit).
The TL sells because it offers a lot of value...something that is important in the $35-40k price range. If someone is going to choose a type-s, they want something sportier than a regular TL obviously.
but the type-s will supposedly start around $39k.
The next G35 sedan will start probably less than $39k, come with 306hp and RWD, not to mention being a new model with more toys and gadgets, rather than a mid-life facelift like the TL. the previous generation type-s models (TL-S/CL-S) kept the same "value" formula...offering a lot for a lot less. This type-s doesn't seem to have the value anymore, especially compared to the new g35.
good move for Acura, because over the long-term this will help them move upmarket and change people's perception of Acura as a "value" premium brand, which is holding them back. Just hoping that they have the balls to stay the course rather than caving and giving discounts due to lower sales.
#2890
Originally Posted by mrdeeno
but the type-s will supposedly start around $39k.
The next G35 sedan will start probably less than $39k, come with 306hp and RWD, not to mention being a new model with more toys and gadgets, rather than a mid-life facelift like the TL. the previous generation type-s models (TL-S/CL-S) kept the same "value" formula...offering a lot for a lot less. This type-s doesn't seem to have the value anymore, especially compared to the new g35..
The next G35 sedan will start probably less than $39k, come with 306hp and RWD, not to mention being a new model with more toys and gadgets, rather than a mid-life facelift like the TL. the previous generation type-s models (TL-S/CL-S) kept the same "value" formula...offering a lot for a lot less. This type-s doesn't seem to have the value anymore, especially compared to the new g35..
#2891
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by phile
True, but the 39K is only tentative at this point. IMO, I don't think it will cost 39K, Acura probably realized no one was paying for the stupid A-spec kit and is silently phasing it out with the new type-S. I think it'll probably be around 37K, which for some reason, looks a lot better than 39K, despite the mere 2K difference.
and if they are enthusiasts, and know about it… how many are going to pay msrp for it?
#2892
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Originally Posted by deandorsey
![](http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/01-acura-tl-type-s.jpg)
![](https://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/08/04/139458.2-lg.jpg)
Originally Posted by deandorsey
![](http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/03-acura-tl-type-s.jpg)
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Originally Posted by F23A4
I thought the wheels looked familiar:
![](https://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/08/04/139458.2-lg.jpg)
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As an equal opportunity employer, Acura probably hired some blind people to pick rims lately.
even the similar "style", but different execution of the rims on the altima look better.
#2894
The sizzle in the Steak
The wheels are
Acura sux in the wheel department.
As for the Type S, it's nice, but it seems to be a stop gap measure until the next TL with AWD or better yet RWD
![ugh](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/ugh.gif)
As for the Type S, it's nice, but it seems to be a stop gap measure until the next TL with AWD or better yet RWD
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Originally Posted by derrick
Sorry, the 3rd gen Type-S rims remind me a lot of rims found on a Neon ...
The 2nd gen TL/CL Type-S rims however ... much nicer. ![Nod](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/nod.gif)
![](http://www.photochopper.com/originals/srt4.jpg)
![Yuck](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/yuck.gif)
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![](http://www.photochopper.com/originals/srt4.jpg)
These rims look complicated, which is not a bad thing in itself...but in this case it doesn't add anything to the shape of the car. It might be the color also. The non-typeS rims look alright...they look like they were from the 2nd gen cl-s 6-speed.
#2898
Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Couple thousand more and you can get a 335i sedan. ![Chuckle](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/chuckle.gif)
![Chuckle](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/chuckle.gif)
#2899
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Originally Posted by jwaters943
Yeah, with vinyl seating, no sunroof and no Nav. It would no doubt be a better drivers car, but for the way *most* people use their vehicles the TL is a lot better sedan. Roomier, more reliable, more feature content, cheaper. Throw the new G in the mix though and the Acura may have a tough time selling the TL-S. Let's hope the actual price is closer to $37-38k.
![Yawn](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/yawn.gif)
Assuming
TLS $39k
TLS w/navi $41k
07 335i sedan
Cold Weather
Premium package
Sport package
$43,750
![Wave](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wave.gif)
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25892
#2900
The sizzle in the Steak
Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
![Yawn](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/yawn.gif)
Assuming
TLS $39k
TLS w/navi $41k
07 335i sedan
Cold Weather
Premium package
Sport package
$43,750
![Wave](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wave.gif)
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25892
![2 Cents](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/2cents.gif)
#2901
Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
![Yawn](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/yawn.gif)
Assuming
TLS $39k
TLS w/navi $41k
07 335i sedan
Cold Weather
Premium package
Sport package
$43,750
![Wave](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wave.gif)
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25892
For the record, the BMW is the better car for the enthusiast, no doubt in my mind. The Acura is likely to appeal to a more conservative buyer. One who values things like reliability, foul weather traction and impressive highway passing power more than racing their car at the track.
Last edited by jwaters943; 08-09-2006 at 02:18 PM.
#2903
Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
By your logic then why get a TL typeS when you can get a base 2006 TL 6-Speed Manual for $33,525
Saving you over $5k![Jesus LOL](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/jesuslol.gif)
Saving you over $5k
![Jesus LOL](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/jesuslol.gif)
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Last edited by jwaters943; 08-09-2006 at 02:43 PM.
#2904
Smitty's Moral Police
I don't care what comparisons anyone makes, the TL is a bigger car than the 3 and I wouldn't consider cross shopping them for this fact alone. But, just add size to the list of things the TL holds over the 3 and the TL value is even higher.
All those 3.5/6spd conversions are going to have a lot of competition now
.
![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
All those 3.5/6spd conversions are going to have a lot of competition now
![Big Grin](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
#2905
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40k for a TL typeS ??????????????????????????????????????????????
what happened to best bang for the buck. i wouldnt pay anything over 37k
what happened to best bang for the buck. i wouldnt pay anything over 37k
#2906
Now besides the changes to the doors, and the red gauges, are there any other changes to the interior? Why does it seem like the interior looks improved?
#2907
Aside from what you mentioned, the steering wheel, darker aluminum trim and aluminum pedals are all new. The seating looks slightly changed as well, in paticular the stitching around the side bolsters looks different to me and the headrests now have Type-S embroidery. The color of the interior is also new.
#2909
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by SodaLuvr
I wonder when Honda will have a 6-spd Automatic standard...
#2910
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Yep, lets just hope it doesn't become another transmission fiasco.
The Toyota/Lexus Aisin Warner units seem to be reliable but have some programming issues...just check out the complaints on weird shifts with the 07 Camry.
The Toyota/Lexus Aisin Warner units seem to be reliable but have some programming issues...just check out the complaints on weird shifts with the 07 Camry.
#2911
A-spec kit looks way sweeter than this new type S. Sadly, that 07 black regular TL even looks way nicer.
And what's up with the quad exhaust? Having only 286hp, fwd, and 4 doors is not a recipe to pull off quad exhaust, kthx...
And what's up with the quad exhaust? Having only 286hp, fwd, and 4 doors is not a recipe to pull off quad exhaust, kthx...
#2912
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Originally Posted by Viscous
And what's up with the quad exhaust? Having only 286hp, fwd, and 4 doors is not a recipe to pull off quad exhaust, kthx...
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#2913
I personally like the exhaust....especially how the tips are tapered.
As for the whole quad exhaust debate, the Passat W8 had a similar exhaust and it had less power than the TL. Heck, even the new GMC Arcadia SUV has a similar exhaust setup.
As for the whole quad exhaust debate, the Passat W8 had a similar exhaust and it had less power than the TL. Heck, even the new GMC Arcadia SUV has a similar exhaust setup.
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Originally Posted by alex2364
They need one. Mercedes already has 7-speed autos and Lexus is coming out with a 8-speed auto.
#2915
Originally Posted by F23A4
Then the 255hp 6G Maxima must really set you off. ![Shrug](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
![](http://www.nissanusa.com/img/vehicles/gallery/maxima/gal_04_med.jpg)
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#2917
Originally Posted by oemtsxparts
actaully, its been almost 12yrs since NSX 3.2l N/A produced 300ish hp
here's another piece of info, the 1990's acura legend was actually using the NSX engine w SOHC instead of the NSX DOHC.
here's another piece of info, the 1990's acura legend was actually using the NSX engine w SOHC instead of the NSX DOHC.
Second, the Legend DIDN'T use an NSX engine no matter what you have heard. It is the same displacement but that is all. The NSX's engine was handbuilt just like the car was. Did the Legend ever have titanium connecting rods???hmmm That right there would tell you they aren't the same engine.
#2918
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Originally Posted by Viscous
Those aren't deliriously ricer sized either. You could put a large first through each of the tips on the type S, GTR proto style.
![](http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/03-acura-tl-type-s.jpg)
I think it lends a LOT to the character of the TL-S.
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Originally Posted by juniorbean
Sweet tailpipes... not crazy about the new front. Looks too much like a TSX to me (even more then it already did)...
The people who designed the 3rd gen TL bodystyle and now the 07 refresh took some styling cues from the Euro/JDM Accord/TSX and incorporated it into the TL.
Pretty funny that history will repeat itself now with the RDX and new 2nd generation MDX. They also look alike.