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$1500 brake job from the stealership? That sounds cheap.
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The 3 series has always been considered the class leader. While the old 3 series coupe has become the 4 series, BMW also added several variations to the 3 series. For example, years ago, there were no 3 series GT, not as many diesel options, not as many wagon options, etc. I also don't recall seeing a 320i back in 2007.
The Audi A3 has been around since 2005 so it's not new competition for Acura or the TL. Interestingly, Acura had their best TL sales year ever in 2005 with 78,218 units sold.... the same year the A3 came out.
The A3 faces new competition from the CLA, the ILX (and TLX according to you since they're close in price), and the 1- and 2-series. Yet 2014 YTD A3 sales have already set a new record, and will be more than 2.5 times higher than their prior best year in 2006. Shouldn't this "increased competition" have affected them too, especially since Audi is (aside from Acura) the weakest of the main premium/luxury brands?
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I disagree the 5GT and Z4 sales numbers prove this to be the case. Even thoughh they have a strong brand, BMW still needs to produce something worth buying.
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My friend also has a Q5 and it was just out of warranty. Long and behold, on his recent road trip, his engine light came out. Luckily it was a only an actuator issue and costed him just about $500 to fix. But his brakes are almost done now and the dealership is quoting him $1500 for a brake job.
I don't know if it is a factory requirement, but Audi never reuse the rotors whenever new brake pads are changed.
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You two get along, that's shocking!
Anyways, for some actual TLX news, has this been posted yet?
From Autoblog: Acura TLX sales stopped over rollaway fears
Anyways, for some actual TLX news, has this been posted yet?
From Autoblog: Acura TLX sales stopped over rollaway fears
A bad indicator that could convince customers that affected cars are in park, even when they aren't, has pushed Acura to issue a stop-sale for the V6-equipped TLX sedan. The company has already alerted the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration of the potential safety defect.
According to Consumer Reports, the defect is being blamed on unnamed transmission components in the nine-speed-automatic transmissions, which were damaged during assembly. A representative from Acura confirmed to CR that a more complete statement would be coming once the case can be reviewed by NHTSA.
At this point, this case isn't a full recall, although it seems quite likely that's the direction it will take. Stay tuned for more.
According to Consumer Reports, the defect is being blamed on unnamed transmission components in the nine-speed-automatic transmissions, which were damaged during assembly. A representative from Acura confirmed to CR that a more complete statement would be coming once the case can be reviewed by NHTSA.
At this point, this case isn't a full recall, although it seems quite likely that's the direction it will take. Stay tuned for more.
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I wonder how the public will react to this.
Imagine walking in to an Acura dealer, interested in a V6 TLX, only to be told by the salesperson that there is a stop-sale and they cannot sell the vehicle.
Imagine walking in to an Acura dealer, interested in a V6 TLX, only to be told by the salesperson that there is a stop-sale and they cannot sell the vehicle.
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Yes, you're right. Despite the disparagement of car magazines and enthusiasts lamenting the loss of steering feel and the move away from a sporting driving experience in most BMW's, sales are up.
And that's a good way to counter the criticism from some voices toward Acura. Sales are up.
Since the TLX was launched, Acura sales are neck and neck with Audi in the U.S. (And U.S. Audi sales are way up, with the new A3 & Q3.) October 2014 U.S. sales; Audi: 15,150 Acura: 15,427
As you said, the strategy has paid off for all of them.
And that's a good way to counter the criticism from some voices toward Acura. Sales are up.
Since the TLX was launched, Acura sales are neck and neck with Audi in the U.S. (And U.S. Audi sales are way up, with the new A3 & Q3.) October 2014 U.S. sales; Audi: 15,150 Acura: 15,427
As you said, the strategy has paid off for all of them.
What's interesting is how MB, BMW, Lexus, Audi, and even Cadillac all have moved toward alot of overlap in their vehicle lineup. Slightly sporty with their sedans, high performance line, AWD sedans, SUV, convertibles,....
Think back to the dark days of Cadillac in the 90's, when the average age of their buyers was increasing a year literally year to year. Audi was plodding along with sub-standard cars, and Lexus were sofa-cruisers. Now their all fairly close in their marketing and image.
And Acura? The TLX is a good reset to realign themselves, and MMC will hopefully get sportier. Would like to see return of 6MT, Brembo, limited slip, stiffer suspension, bigger wheels/tires and aluminum subframe. Acura need to get the team that did the Accord Sport to work on a TLX Type-S.
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i just hope it does not get into the news or cover of the actual car magazine.
wait since i am a hater, i think it does.
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GM slams the brakes on Corvette sales - Fortune
As for the TLX, temp drop in sales and resuming sales once sorted and solved
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$1500 is expensive but if done at the dealer, it is somehow reasonable considering the job will be replacing 4 rotors, pads, fluid flush and labor.
I have never done any of those at the dealer but i would assume Acura will charge about 250 for each pair of rotor for MDX... and 250-300 for 4 pads and $250 for fluid flush and another 200 for labor
That is not too far off from 1500.
I have never done any of those at the dealer but i would assume Acura will charge about 250 for each pair of rotor for MDX... and 250-300 for 4 pads and $250 for fluid flush and another 200 for labor
That is not too far off from 1500.
Acura could fix things by offering a TLX Type S and a TLX coupe to increase the TLX's variation.
Increased competition should affect everyone. If it's only affecting Acura, then that says something about the brand and using the "increased competition" excuse is a bit weak when others can grow their car sales #s. It's not the competition, it's Acura and their weak car (i.e. non-truck/SUV) lineup.
The Audi A3 has been around since 2005 so it's not new competition for Acura or the TL. Interestingly, Acura had their best TL sales year ever in 2005 with 78,218 units sold.... the same year the A3 came out.
The A3 faces new competition from the CLA, the ILX (and TLX according to you since they're close in price), and the 1- and 2-series. Yet 2014 YTD A3 sales have already set a new record, and will be more than 2.5 times higher than their prior best year in 2006. Shouldn't this "increased competition" have affected them too, especially since Audi is (aside from Acura) the weakest of the main premium/luxury brands?
Increased competition should affect everyone. If it's only affecting Acura, then that says something about the brand and using the "increased competition" excuse is a bit weak when others can grow their car sales #s. It's not the competition, it's Acura and their weak car (i.e. non-truck/SUV) lineup.
The Audi A3 has been around since 2005 so it's not new competition for Acura or the TL. Interestingly, Acura had their best TL sales year ever in 2005 with 78,218 units sold.... the same year the A3 came out.
The A3 faces new competition from the CLA, the ILX (and TLX according to you since they're close in price), and the 1- and 2-series. Yet 2014 YTD A3 sales have already set a new record, and will be more than 2.5 times higher than their prior best year in 2006. Shouldn't this "increased competition" have affected them too, especially since Audi is (aside from Acura) the weakest of the main premium/luxury brands?
Well, we all know the Acura brand is not as strong as BMW/MB/Audi/Lexus.
The A3 was a hatch. Now it's a sedan.
In short, Audi
then gave their customers what they wanted and sales went up dramatically.
Acura on the other hand tells their customers what they want and leaves very little room for customization.
- figured out what their customers wanted
- listened to what their customers wanted
- both of the above
then gave their customers what they wanted and sales went up dramatically.
Acura on the other hand tells their customers what they want and leaves very little room for customization.
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Happened to the C7 in September
GM slams the brakes on Corvette sales - Fortune
As for the TLX, temp drop in sales and resuming sales once sorted and solved
GM slams the brakes on Corvette sales - Fortune
As for the TLX, temp drop in sales and resuming sales once sorted and solved
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Not comparable because they are completely different cars. People will wait for a Corvette, because it's a Corvette. People looking for an into-lux sedan will not wait around for the TLX because it's the TLX. They'll move on.
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they're both cars, and many people once they've selected a car will wait depending on the situation (custom order, delivery,...). Happens all the time.
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Nope, do you really think that everyone thinks the same way on a car purchase?
Sometimes if someone really wants something they'll wait depending on circumstance.
Again this happens all the time, as many car buys are not necessity.
I view the Corvette more as a weekend toy while the TLX is more of a daily/family car. Weekend toys can wait. Daily/family drivers? Yes, to a certain extent, but not as easily.
There also aren't as many comparable options to the Corvette to consider while there are many more for the TLX.
If I was told I had to wait an unknown amount of time for the TLX stop sale to be lifted, I would be considering other options because it'd be my daily. Could I wait? Sure. But not as long as or as easily vs a weekend toy like the Corvette.
There also aren't as many comparable options to the Corvette to consider while there are many more for the TLX.
If I was told I had to wait an unknown amount of time for the TLX stop sale to be lifted, I would be considering other options because it'd be my daily. Could I wait? Sure. But not as long as or as easily vs a weekend toy like the Corvette.
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In short, Audi
then gave their customers what they wanted and sales went up dramatically.
Acura on the other hand tells their customers what they want and leaves very little room for customization.
- figured out what their customers wanted
- listened to what their customers wanted
- both of the above
then gave their customers what they wanted and sales went up dramatically.
Acura on the other hand tells their customers what they want and leaves very little room for customization.
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Good grief, is it not self-evident to you that there are exceptions to virtually every general statement? Of course, someone will want to wait for the TLX. That being said, it is my opinion that the Corvette, being a rather unique vehicle, is going to be impacted less (as a %) than a near-lux sedan by a stop-sale order; significantly so. So much so, in fact, that your comparison of the two is ludicrous.
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Hmm I don't know, I think Acura listened and gave customers more choices. For instance, back in the days, for the TL, you either standard model or get the navi model, that's it. Now, you can choose I4 or V6, you can choose FWD or AWD, you can choose the base trim, tech pkg, or advance pkg. I know, there's still not as much customization as others, but I think it's a bit unfair to say that Acura doesn't listen.
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I view the Corvette more as a weekend toy while the TLX is more of a daily/family car. Weekend toys can wait. Daily/family drivers? Yes, to a certain extent, but not as easily.
There also aren't as many comparable options to the Corvette to consider while there are many more for the TLX.
If I was told I had to wait an unknown amount of time for the TLX stop sale to be lifted, I would be considering other options because it'd be my daily. Could I wait? Sure. But not as long as or as easily vs a weekend toy like the Corvette.
There also aren't as many comparable options to the Corvette to consider while there are many more for the TLX.
If I was told I had to wait an unknown amount of time for the TLX stop sale to be lifted, I would be considering other options because it'd be my daily. Could I wait? Sure. But not as long as or as easily vs a weekend toy like the Corvette.
All depends on the situation.
My 3G TL I wanted non-Nav, NBP/Camel, 6MT and had to wait 6 weeks. I was donating a 89 Legend so didn't matter I had to wait.
My father-in-law's g/f totaled her 3G TL in July, I helped her shop for a replacement. She couldn't wait (I told her to not get a 4G TL, but wait and look at the TLX). Ultimately she got a Accord V6 EX-L and couldn't wait to drive a TLX. Didn't matter since she wanted a V6 and leather and her new Accord was less than base TLX with cloth and 4 cylinder.
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Good grief, is it not self-evident to you that there are exceptions to virtually every general statement? Of course, someone will want to wait for the TLX. That being said, it is my opinion that the Corvette, being a rather unique vehicle, is going to be impacted less (as a %) than a near-lux sedan by a stop-sale order; significantly so. So much so, in fact, that your comparison of the two is ludicrous.
You're all hung up on the difference of the amount of people who would wait. Sure the Vette is probably more, but they are comparable events as there are plenty in 5G TLX section waiting now for their orders.
It's ludicrous to think they are not comparable.
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The bottom line is it was a stop-sale example of a production car and what a person would do, which was comparable.
You're all hung up on the difference of the amount of people who would wait. Sure the Vette is probably less, but they are comparable events as there are plenty in 5G TLX section waiting now for their orders.
It's ludicrous to think they are not comparable.
You're all hung up on the difference of the amount of people who would wait. Sure the Vette is probably less, but they are comparable events as there are plenty in 5G TLX section waiting now for their orders.
It's ludicrous to think they are not comparable.
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People will wait for performance cars like GTR, Corvette, Porsche, or even S2000. Because there is no realistic alternative for it.
if i can't get a TLX today and i have to wait for 2-3 months? i will just go buy a 3 series or A4, Q50, or IS or even an Accord.
if i can't get a TLX today and i have to wait for 2-3 months? i will just go buy a 3 series or A4, Q50, or IS or even an Accord.
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How many times do I need to say this? The made a good car. They made a car that's much better than the 4G. They did not make a great car. They did not make a car that will allow them to invest in significantly expanding the lineup to be more competitive.
It's been said time and again that Acura's overall sales are good because of the RDX and MDX. If you look at their car sales (i.e. non-truck sales), you'll see that they're not doing so well, both vs their prior sales numbers and against the competition. But you already knew this and I'm just f̶e̶e̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶t̶r̶o̶l̶l̶
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It's been said time and again that Acura's overall sales are good because of the RDX and MDX. If you look at their car sales (i.e. non-truck sales), you'll see that they're not doing so well, both vs their prior sales numbers and against the competition. But you already knew this and I'm just f̶e̶e̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶t̶r̶o̶l̶l̶
tlx sales have done well thus far. suv sales are a big part of all successful manufacturers sales today.
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TLX sales have done well so far because it is a brand new vehicle and it is moderately priced for a decently sized car. Those two things alone make room for tons of sales. That does not indicate what the next 3-4 years will bring.
There aren't all that many new model cars that don't sell well. And if there is one, it's generally pretty obvious why it isn't selling. It's not that acura built this legendary car called the TLX that has shook the world upside down and that's why it's selling. It's like anything else out there in the same price range.
There aren't all that many new model cars that don't sell well. And if there is one, it's generally pretty obvious why it isn't selling. It's not that acura built this legendary car called the TLX that has shook the world upside down and that's why it's selling. It's like anything else out there in the same price range.
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