need4spd_RENAMED

Thanks MrJumbo -

Great news - thanks for the facts and source.

Larch - I always figured it was an option to the TL 6spd, but what do I know.

phile

Let's just pray it's not "MrChildren".

justinjsw

Somewhere stuck in the 9000 posts of the TL thread I said HPT is just an additional factory option for the 6 spd. Not a trim on its own.

need4spd_RENAMED

Different strokes for different folks.

Thats why they are options, some want traditional, some firm.

Count Blah

The TSX is an "all-new" model, but if they're going to call the TL "all-new" they should have come up with a new name for it as well. Otherwise it's just the third or fourth generation of the TL line.

prballard

Thanks TinkySD Those colors look really nice!! The carmel looks similar to the cognac in my Vigor. Now if the TL only had AWD.

need4spd_RENAMED

OK - there is a second thread formed, that has this info from MrJunbo.

click below to follow that one also : http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...=&threadid=835

Not sure why a second one started, but, it does exist

larchmont

Swatches? No contest so far:

ABYSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

need4spd_RENAMED

Looks like a typo in the auto with Navi and mannual with Navi as both have the same model numbers (I would guess the manual is not correct).

No big deal, but noticed it.

All have same HP AND it is greater than 260Hp (could be 261 for all we know)

id888

So am I right in assuming that any chance of AWD (from the MDX) is gone?

You know, when Volvo says HPT, they mean "high pressure turbo", but let's not go there...

EmuMessenger

Hey Colin,

Absolutely, I remember the notes, but I figured the people that had "friends" that were going to see the car may have gotten some under the table data.

EmuMessenger

Hey justinjsw,

How did the scans represent the actual colors?

Close?

planman

One thing that's not clear yet is whether HPT is actually a model designation (a la "Type S") or simply an option package like the sport and premium packages on BMW, Audi, etc. The former involves dinstinctive badging, etc. while the latter is just a description of options (i.e., not a distinctly different model or trim level).

EDIT: Sorry, jumped the gun here. As always, you guys have this one covered.

planman

Following this logic, would you say that the BMW 7-series is not "all new"? It's a new generation of an existing line, but the sheet-metal, transmission, suspension, etc. is new.

How does a car maker build a lasting image/expectation with the buying public if they change names every time they introduce a new model? Again, Acura learned this lesson the hard way when they killed the Legend (moment of silence, please)...

Alex

I told you

TL will have focus on all-new lux features like XM Radio (which is really cool and much useful then 5.1 audio - I want it now !)

Seems like engine will remains the same - 3.2L V6 with 270hp and that's make since as it can provide adequate steering and handling with low torque steer. I wondering if it will have same displacement features as all-new Honda Inspire V6 3L has.

And there will be no AWD or any other revolutionary changes to improve performance and make it compete against 540i, GS400 etc.

acura_driver

It sounds like an option to me, and not a model designation. If what we are seeing is true, I think that Acura is giving the HPT special treatment to make sure the dealers explain to potential buyers the tradeoffs of buying high performance tires. Much better dry/wet handling, but at the expense of noise, firmer ride, increased tire wear rate, and not being suitable for snow/ice.

-r

RJC RSX

are some XM stations broadcasted in 5.1?

Colin

This is what I was saying earlier! Option/Trim whats the difference. The important thing is that just like the Navi, Dealers will have to order a specific model when they place their orders. This means that if we can only order 20 a month (for example), we will always be out of a few color/car combinations all the time! HPT is a tire package, the big question is what else (if anything) is a part of it. BTW, Mr. Jumbo is not a "oldbie" with a new name, if you search the old sight, you'll see his posts there as well.

Not really, if I remember correctly the RSXs are the same way, DC538, DC548 and DC530 cover all five versions of the car.

Mr. Jumbo,

Thanks for posting this, I suppose I could have, but I wanted to respect the "confidentiality of the information" :p Lot's of respect huh?

larchmont

Not that this is the most important thing in the word, but I'm totally shocked you'd say this, Colin.

It's a huge, huge difference.

bdt980

The available High Performance Tires for 2004 TL models equipped on specific manual transmission models will be identified by unique model codes when placing orders. The TL High Performance Tires provide enhanced performance in dry and wet conditions. However, this performance has trade-offs. These trade-offs include greatly reduced ice and snow performance, as well as faster wear and the possibility of increased road noise compared to the all-season tires on TL. Ice and snow driving is NOT recommended when using the High Performance tires, and this must be communicated clearly to customers. The High Performance Tires for the 2004 TL will provide some customers with even more exhilarating performance, but these customers will not be pleased with their Acura ownership experience unless you explain all of the important information about these tires to them.
Looks like i'll Be getting the Auto w/ Navi. I need my snow and rain tires.

Alex

I doubt it
Check http://www.xmradio.com/
5.1 comes on DVD and it's still rare
I would take XM over 5.1 anytime!

Colin

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question/statement. How are you defining option, and how are you defining trim?

I see no difference (in what you call it) if it comes from the factory, (option or trim level) the end result is the same: We have to order another car because of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for the extra performance cause I'm a pretty hardcore performance guy, but from a business standpoint, if you're always out of something, you always have unhappy customers because they have to wait for their car to come in.

EmuMessenger

5.1 does come from DVD, but it also comes from digital cable and satellite TV.

I do not know if XM has 5.1 today, but it certainly seems possible for the future.

Personally, I would choose the 5.1 over the XM only because I cannot see paying $10/mo for radio, but time will tell.

EmuMessenger

Now it is time to find out what else is included aside from summer tires.

Are they bigger than normal, are the rims different?

Are the springs lower?

Etc........

bdt980

I would Pick 5.1 over XM too

Count Blah

I'm not sure what the right solution is. It just seems to water down the meaning of "all-new" if you use it for models that are truly in their first year, and those that have just been redesigned.

need4spd_RENAMED

For decades makers have called cars with new sheet metal all new. I does not have to be a new name to be all new.

Point of reference, did not the TSX already exist in Europe and Japan, yes I know, it was new to the USA.

iNteGraz92

how do you water down the meaning when the car IS all new?

RJC RSX

can this thread be merged with the original?

nh-603p

"I see no difference (in what you call it) if it comes from the factory, (option or trim level) the end result is the same: We have to order another car because of it.

HERE IN CANADA ACURA HAS A LITTLE CAR CALLED THE EL IT HAS 6 OPTIONS OF THREE MODELS
1. EL TOURING
2. EL PREMIUM
3. EL PREMIUM AERO KIT

ALL OF THEM HAVE DIFFERENT VEHICLE NUMBERS BUT THE AERO KIT IS A DEALER INSTALLED FACTORY OPTION. SO IT COULD POSSIBLY BE A DEALER INSTALLED OPTION.

Lung Fu Mo Shi

Sounds like a Mexican car.

Colin

The EL is an "Acuraized" version of the Honda Civic. It's a nice, high quality small car that we've never developed for the US market. I have no idea where it's made, but probably on the same line as the rest of the Canadian Civics.

nh-603p

"SO IT COULD POSSIBLY BE A DEALER INSTALLED OPTION."

SORRY I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TL "HPT" OPTION

nh-603p

YES RITE ALONG SIDE THE AMERICAN ONES FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD IN ALLISTON

acura_driver

-r

nh-603p

1. The 3.2 designation has been dropped from the TL name.

2. TL will have one engine configuration that is more powerful than the current 3.2TL Type-S.


DOES THIS MEAN THAT THERE IS A NEW ENGINE OR ITS JUST BEEN DROPPED FROM THE NAME

jwaters943

I think it's just that Acura wants to get away from using the displacement as part of the nomenclature and be more consistent throughout the entire line of Acura. Notice that the rest of Acuras automobiles don't use the engine liters as part of their names (to the best of my knowledge). As for whether this change signals a bump in displacement.....
I'd like to say yes, but with Honda/Acura I'd venture to say that it's probably the same 3.2 liter used in the current Type S with a couple tweaks to produce slightly more power.

acura_driver

Let's hope it is the 3.2 bored and/or stroked to 3.4 or 3.5 with an increase in torque to go along with the increase in HP.

-r

Iceman

Yup, me too. It means more people will buy the 6speed, thereby helping to keep this option alive for the true car enthusiasts like us!!

nh-603p

YUP, I AGREE.

DOES THAT MEAN IT WILL BE CALLED THE "3.4 OR 3.5 TL" ? AND WILL THE DYNAMIC PACKAGE SAY "TL-DYNAMIC" ON THE BACK OF THE CAR ?