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Old 11-19-2013, 07:24 PM
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You guys missed the urban luxury one







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Oh, you mean Pepboy limited edition RLX?

We talked about it on the previous pages.
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2014 Acura RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD: The Most Powerful and Technologically Advanced Vehicle in Acura History to be Showcased at LA Auto Show


11/18/2013 - TORRANCE, Calif.

The 377-horsepower Acura RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD luxury-performance sedan will be on public display for the first time this week at the Los Angeles International Auto Show, showcasing Acura's dynamic new three-motor hybrid system.


The 2014 Acura RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD, which launches next spring, is the first vehicle to deploy Acura's new three-motor hybrid powertrain technology. The system combines a highly efficient, direct-injected V-6 engine with an all-new, Acura-designed, 7-speed dual clutch transmission with built-in electric motor and an electrically powered variant of Acura's highly regarded torque-vectoring Super Handling All-Wheel Drive (SH-AWD).

This advanced new hybrid powertrain delivers exhilarating driving performance with incredibly responsive power delivery and precise, sure-footed handling performance like no other vehicle in its class. Supported by the instantaneous torque delivered by its high-output electric motors, the RLX Sport Hybrid runs a 0-60 mph time comparable with competitor's V8-powered machines. This performance, however, is coupled with a 28/32/30mpg (city/highway/combined) EPA fuel economy rating1, which is in the range of 4-cylinder-powered luxury sedans.

Powertrain and Drivetrain
The RLX Sport Hybrid's 3.5-liter, 310-horsepower, i-VTEC® V-6 engine with Variable Cylinder Management™ (VCM™) includes an idle-stop feature to help maximize fuel efficiency. The engine is mated to an all-new, 7-speed dual clutch transmission with built-in electric motor. In automatic mode, the transmission provides highly responsive and intuitive gear selection, including matching engine revs during downshifts, in manual mode, the Sequential SportShift paddle shifters give the driver gear selection control to make virtually seamless ratio changes.

The electric SH-AWD system on the RLX Sport Hybrid eliminates the conventional drive shaft and rear differential, replacing them with two high-output 27-kilowatt electric motors. The rear motors dynamically distribute both positive (drive) and negative (regenerative braking) electric-motor torque, depending on driving conditions, and which torque vectoring assists in cornering. The system is further aided by a 35-kilowatt front electric motor that supplements engine torque to the front wheels and provides regenerative brake torque to charge the vehicle's 260-volt lithium-ion battery pack.

Body and Chassis
With a longer wheelbase and wider greenhouse than competing mid-luxury sedans, the RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD delivers full-size interior space in a nimbler, mid-size luxury sedan package. The RLX boasts the longest rear-seat legroom (38.8 inches), and best front (59.6 inches) and rear (57.0 inches) shoulder room in the mid-luxury class. The RLX advanced body design makes extensive use of high-strength steel and aluminum, further aiding its outstanding fuel efficiency, straight-line performance and superior handling agility.

In front, the RLX's double-wishbone, lower double-joint front suspension with Amplitude Reactive Dampers significantly improves handling agility, driver confidence and security, and ride sophistication. In back, the RLX's multi-link rear suspension is optimized for a flat ride during cornering, confident turning capability, and a smooth ride in a variety of urban, highway and open road scenarios.

Technology
Acura technology firsts on the 2014 Sport Hybrid also include the Acura electronic gear selector and Acura Head-Up Display System. The Acura electronic gear selector replaces the conventional, center console-mounted shift lever with an efficiently packaged push-button array that allows the driver to easily select the desired drive mode-Park, Drive and Reverse, as well as Sport and Normal driving modes. The Acura Head-Up Display System provides the driver with at-a-glance access to key driving information projected on the windshield. Display modes include Sport Hybrid system operation, turn-by-turn navigation, speedometer and compass, as well as alerts from various driver-assistive systems.

The RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD features Acura's signature Jewel Eye™ LED headlights, which offer outstanding light distribution and excellent down-the-road illumination performance and light characteristics. The RLX taillights utilize periphery LED illumination that is both effective and highly distinctive.

With the expanded range of standard and available technology features built into the RLX, substantial engineering effort was put into making each feature intuitive and easy-to-use. The focal point of the new instrument panel is a large, 8-inch color screen that combines audio/information and navigation functions and provides access to an array of customizable features. An additional 7-inch color On Demand Multi-Use Display™ (ODMD) touchscreen is positioned within easy reach and controls the audio system and many other features.

Audio and Connectivity
Exceptional audio performance has long been an Acura hallmark, and in the RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD, two audio systems are offered. The Technology package includes the Acura/ELS Studio® Premium Audio System with an advanced 14-speaker array. In the Advance package, the 14-speaker Krell system - with speakers and amplifiers engineered by Krell, one of the most respected audio companies in world - sets a new benchmark in automotive audio performance.

The RLX is equipped with the next-generation AcuraLink® cloud-based connected car system, delivering a comprehensive array of media, convenience, and security services via embedded two-way communications and web-enabled devices. AcuraLink® leverages Pandora® interface for streaming audio and the Aha™ by Harman cloud-based interface to provide users with thousands of customizable cloud-based news, information and media feeds. The next-generation AcuraLink® also delivers an array of available, subscription-based, security and convenience features, such as AcuraLink Real-Time Traffic™ featuring freeway traffic and, for the first time, surface street traffic information.

Safety and Driver-Assistive Technologies
The new RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD offers an extensive array of advanced safety, visibility and driver-assistive technologies that put the RLX on the leading edge of collision avoidance and assisted driving capability. Standard and features include a Multi-Angle Rearview Camera, Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS), Forward Collision Warning (FCW) and Lane Departure Warning (LDW), along with Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS), Adaptive Cruise Control with Low-Speed Follow and Blind Spot Information (BSI) system.

Utilizing Acura's next-generation Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) body structure, along with seven airbags (including a driver's knee airbag), the RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD is anticipated to earn top-level safety ratings, including a 5-star NCAP Overall Vehicle Score and an IIHS "TOP SAFETY PICK+" rating, plus a GOOD rating in the IIHS small overlap front collision test.
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Since this will be a hybrid, won't it be eligible for the federal tax credit(s)? Are they even still offering credits? Maybe Acura plans to lower the price that way.

EDIT....

Nevermind. Only credits available are for plug-in and all electrics.
yaa..they cut those credits a while ago. I guess that makes sense. It's up to the car makers to make hybrids cheaper.
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Watched that video yesterday.

Hate the car. Love the technology.
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The SH-AWD model is the last hope to save the RLX, curious to see how well it performs in reviews and comparison tests.
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Originally Posted by Legend2TL
The SH-AWD model is the last hope to save the RLX, curious to see how well it performs in reviews and comparison tests.
The problem is.. regardless how well/bad it does in those tests.

The result will never translate into sales # and the lack of sales will not help Acura's image at all.

One of Acura's biggest mistakes is to launch the FWD wayyyy too early. When they finally launch their masterpiece, no one really cares anymore because it will always be in the shadow of the $60k FWD
RLX.

oh, and they look identical does not help either.
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Fantastic tech.....wasted on a tastic, bland designed car.

Even if you explained the great technology, and driving experience to the class of buyer that would purchase this car, they would end up with the same conclusion in the end:

"Yea, that's fantastic, but just look at this horribly bland looking shell this stuff comes wrapped up in!" I'm not going to spend that kind of $$ on a car that looks worse than a dirt cheap Honda Accord."


.....and with that, this version of the RLX will die.
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Wish Acura would just save this cool stuff for the next generation.
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Originally Posted by JS + MS3
Watched that video yesterday.

Hate the car. Love the technology.
Originally Posted by Legend2TL
The SH-AWD model is the last hope to save the RLX, curious to see how well it performs in reviews and comparison tests.
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The problem is.. regardless how well/bad it does in those tests.

The result will never translate into sales # and the lack of sales will not help Acura's image at all.

One of Acura's biggest mistakes is to launch the FWD wayyyy too early. When they finally launch their masterpiece, no one really cares anymore because it will always be in the shadow of the $60k FWD
RLX.

oh, and they look identical does not help either.
Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Fantastic tech.....wasted on a tastic, bland designed car.

Even if you explained the great technology, and driving experience to the class of buyer that would purchase this car, they would end up with the same conclusion in the end:

"Yea, that's fantastic, but just look at this horribly bland looking shell this stuff comes wrapped up in!" I'm not going to spend that kind of $$ on a car that looks worse than a dirt cheap Honda Accord."


.....and with that, this version of the RLX will die.
Me too.
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Jeeze, they're gonna do almost no differentiation from the fwd model at all? Seriously, how much does it cost to make the fenders bulkier, lower the car and provide a wider track, ala M3/4 vs 328/428? Seriously, why even try with the cool tech if your not gonna market it with a performance exterior?
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
The problem is.. regardless how well/bad it does in those tests.

The result will never translate into sales # and the lack of sales will not help Acura's image at all.

One of Acura's biggest mistakes is to launch the FWD wayyyy too early. When they finally launch their masterpiece, no one really cares anymore because it will always be in the shadow of the $60k FWD
RLX.

oh, and they look identical does not help either.
Meh, that's a defeatist attitude.

Some cars were duds initially then were turned around by some changes. The RDX and Porsche 924/944 are two examples.

When Peter Schultz took over at Porsche in 81, one of the first acts he did was have engineering half a 928 motor into the 924, add some flares, a new dash and rename it the 944. Sales dramatically increased with the new successful 944.

Honda/Acura replacing the I4T motor on the 2G RDX with the V6 improved it as well. Will the RLX SH-AWD change it's sales? Only time will tell.

Never know until you try, it still may fail but that's design/development/marketing of almost any product.

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^^regarding the RDX, the change in engine also coincided with the change in exterior. It became a little less outlandish, and a little more conventional, so I think that helped.
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^^ Exactly is was a complete re-tool of the RDX.

They "blew-up" that hot mess. It was not "turned around."

The RLX cannot be "turned around" either. It needs to be COMPLETELY redesigned.
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^^regarding the RDX, the change in engine also coincided with the change in exterior. It became a little less outlandish, and a little more conventional, so I think that helped.
True, I forgot about that it coincided with the 1G to 2G model change.

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^^ Exactly is was a complete re-tool of the RDX.

They "blew-up" that hot mess. It was not "turned around."

The RLX cannot be "turned around" either. It needs to be COMPLETELY redesigned.
I won't say that, Honda/Acura did not "blew-up" the 1G to 2G RDX. To me they look pretty similar.


1G w beak


2G w beak
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Originally Posted by Legend2TL
I won't say that, Honda/Acura did not "blew-up" the 1G to 2G RDX. To me they look pretty similar.


1G w beak


2G w beak
Yep, aside from the beak, hood, front bumper, front end, wheel arches, C pillar, taillights, rear bumper, and rear end they're pretty hard to distinguish.


Side note, I actually liked the 1st gen RDX before the stupid beak.

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Yep, aside from the grill, hood, front bumper, front end, wheel arches, C pillar, taillights, rear bumper, and rear end they're pretty hard to distinguish.
They you're right, those wheel arches look totally different. Looks like they came from two different manufacturers


Two other thing that helped the RDX was the lowering of the price and offering a FWD version
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Side note, I actually liked the 1st gen RDX before the stupid beak.
Same...I'm thinking about picking up a pre-MMC 1g RDX....especially now that flashpro is available from Hondata. Not a bad idea to have a 300hp RDX with improved gas mileage!
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Originally Posted by jwong77
Jeeze, they're gonna do almost no differentiation from the fwd model at all? Seriously, how much does it cost to make the fenders bulkier, lower the car and provide a wider track, ala M3/4 vs 328/428? Seriously, why even try with the cool tech if your not gonna market it with a performance exterior?
Exactly! Do something to differentiate it from your base model

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The problem is.. regardless how well/bad it does in those tests.

The result will never translate into sales # and the lack of sales will not help Acura's image at all.

One of Acura's biggest mistakes is to launch the FWD wayyyy too early. When they finally launch their masterpiece, no one really cares anymore because it will always be in the shadow of the $60k FWD
RLX.

oh, and they look identical does not help either.


Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Fantastic tech.....wasted on a tastic, bland designed car.

Even if you explained the great technology, and driving experience to the class of buyer that would purchase this car, they would end up with the same conclusion in the end:

"Yea, that's fantastic, but just look at this horribly bland looking shell this stuff comes wrapped up in!" I'm not going to spend that kind of $$ on a car that looks worse than a dirt cheap Honda Accord."


.....and with that, this version of the RLX will die.
I Agree!

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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
The RLX cannot be "turned around" either. It needs to be COMPLETELY redesigned.
Obviously, Acura's only solution is to rebadge the next Genesis or Equus as the RLX until they can get their shit in order.... kinda like when Honda rebadged the Isuzu Rodeo as the Honda Passport and Acura rebadged the Isuzu Trooper as the Acura SLX.

Eventually they'll figure things out and come out with a new, improved, and successful RLX... kinda like how we got the much more successful Honda CR-V and Pilot and Acura MDX.

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Well, they bombed the 2nd gen RL, this first gen RLX is kinda like the 3rd gen RL, so hoping that third time's the charm!
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Should have released the NSX first with the tech and then released the RLX after the NSX was well known on the market of what it could do.

That would have helped sales/marketing a lot. IMO
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^^^^^

What if Acura wants to use the RLX to test the water first.

Acura is gauging how well the public receives the 3-motor AWD setup, and if proved lukewarm, the NSX can go back to the drawing board once again in order to redesign up the WOW factor.
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
^^^^^

What if Acura wants to use the RLX to test the water first.

Acura is gauging how well the public receives the 3-motor AWD setup, and if proved lukewarm, the NSX can go back to the drawing board once again in order to redesign up the WOW factor.
If Acura thinks they need to "test the waters" first, then they must not know what they're doing and are more lost than we thought.

Did Lexus need to test the waters first before releasing the LFA? Did Acura need to test the waters before releasing the 1st gen NSX? They just did it.
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^^^^^

But not this time for the 2G NSX.

It seems that Acura is at a loss with both the 3G RL(X) and the 2G NSX.

Developments and design changes for the above 2 programs have been ping-ponging around for the past decade.

First the NSX concept car shown in the 2007 North American auto show, then a complete redesign of the V10 NSX due to poor auto show reception, then a dead program, then back from the death in 2011 with a naturally aspirated hybrid V6, and now in 2013 with a twin-turbo V6, .......

Not only with the RLX and NSX, Acura has also been clueless as of how to elevate it's dangling brand image for the past 2 decades.
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
^^^^^

What if Acura wants to use the RLX to test the water first.

Acura is gauging how well the public receives the 3-motor AWD setup, and if proved lukewarm, the NSX can go back to the drawing board once again in order to redesign up the WOW factor.
Seriously dude?

This is like the worst way of "testing the water" with the new technology because hardly anybody would care about RLX.

And redesigning NSX once again to up the WOW factor? REALLY?
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^^^^^

Since the FWD RLX is expected to be "Dead on Arrival" even from the start, it doesn't really matter much to inflict more harm to the already badly hurt RLX by doing "water tests".

Acura is wise not to use the volume sellers such as the MDX and the upcoming TLX to do the "water test".
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^^^^^

What if Acura wants to use the RLX to test the water first.

Acura is gauging how well the public receives the 3-motor AWD setup, and if proved lukewarm, the NSX can go back to the drawing board once again in order to redesign up the WOW factor.
Wheres the wow factor for the NSX if the slow selling RLX has the same "performance" technology a year before its release?

At this rate the Honda accord will have dual clutch transmission before the NSX is released.
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Wheres the wow factor for the NSX if the slow selling RLX has the same "performance" technology a year before its release?

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Now that Acura has realized the diminishing wow factor for the upcoming NSX, that's why Acura starts talking of the high-power "twin-turbo V6 engine" in an effort to spice back up the WOW and to hype up the excitement.

If all else fails, Acura simply put the NSX program back on the shelf. It has happened before, and can happen again.

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Now that Acura has realized the diminishing wow factor for the upcoming NSX, that's why Acura starts talking of the high-power "twin-turbo V6 engine" in an effort to spice back up the WOW and to hype up the excitement.

If all else fails, Acura simply put the NSX program back on the shelf. It has happened before, and can happen again.
That's what we're all afraid of....
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
^^^^^

What if Acura wants to use the RLX to test the water first.

Acura is gauging how well the public receives the 3-motor AWD setup, and if proved lukewarm, the NSX can go back to the drawing board once again in order to redesign up the WOW factor.
You cant base how the public receives the car or a sedans sales on what kind of WOW factor the NSX might have. If you have a piss poor marketing slogan and team and a Bland car it doesnt matter what it has under the hood and in it. People arent going to look at it and in turn would be no indication of how the public will receive the 3 motor awd setup in a limited production 120k plus sports car. Acura just need to pull their heads out of their asses, get some GOOD designers, and FIND a marketing team that can come up with something other than Made For Mankind. I mean really, driving past a sign going down the road seeing a sign like this does NOT make me want to go to the dealer show room to look at the car




Or watching a commercial that shows literally nothing about the vehicle, just the dumb slogan and a picture of the chassis.


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^^Honestly, I miss the old slogan. Precision crafted PERFORMANCE...
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I have to say that, as of date, Acura's two new ad agencies, Mullen and MediaVest, are worse than Acura's previous ad agency, Rubin Postaer & Associates, and that their "Made for Mankind" slogan is terrible. It does absolutely nothing to help elevate the brand.

It's peddle to the metal as Acura readies its biggest ad campaign

Hoping that the best years are not in the rear-view mirror for its Acura luxury line, American Honda Motor Co. is shifting into high gear for the introduction of its redesigned 2014 MDX sport utility vehicle.

The U.S. sales arm of the Japanese automaker typically has kept a low advertising profile for Acura. But that's about to change.

This week, American Honda in Torrance plans to roll out its largest-ever national advertising campaign for an Acura model, a marketing push that also is being closely watched in the Los Angeles advertising industry.

American Honda this year dumped Acura's longtime ad agency and called in reinforcements from Boston and New York. The two newly hired firms had to quickly add staff and engineer a campaign that would improve consumers' impressions of Acura.

"This is huge for us," said Gary Robinson, manager of Acura's national advertising and brand. "We want to get this launch right, and we are going to do what it takes to do that. This is a must-succeed."

Acura in recent years has fallen behind such high-end rivals as BMW, Lexus and Mercedes-Benz. Last year, Acura sold 156,216 vehicles, according to Autodata Corp., a 25% decline from its peak of nearly 210,000 units sold in 2005.

Last year, American Honda decided to open up its account handling more than $860 million a year in advertising spending for both the Honda and Acura lines.

The move ultimately reordered the Los Angeles advertising landscape as the incumbent firm, Rubin Postaer & Associates of Santa Monica, lost two substantial pieces of Honda's business.

Mullen, a Boston advertising firm, picked up the Acura account, and MediaVest of New York took responsibility for media buying for both Acura and Honda. RPA, which formed in 1986 to manage the American Honda account, retained the Honda creative account.

Rosch and his team came up with the line "Made for Mankind," to compete with BMW's slogan of "the ultimate driving machine" and Lexus' "the pursuit of perfection."

Acura executives acknowledge their vehicles face "challenges of perception" among buyers of luxury vehicles.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul...acura-20130709
They realize that "their vehicles face 'challenges of perception' among buyers of luxury vehicles," yet they choose to go with the "Made for Mankind" slogan. As I said previous, "Made for Mankind" would be perfect for something like Honda. But if they want to elevate the Acura brand and image and turn it into a luxury brand, "Made for Mankind" won't do it.

You want Acura buyers to feel special about the car (and brand). Saying they're like everyone else isn't going to do it. If Gary Robinson approved this,
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Why don't they spend that money on a better design? There is no better advertising tool than making your cars look desirable on the street or parking lot.
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Made for Mankind?
And other cars are made for?
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Who approves this bullshit?
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Who approves this bullshit?
I imagine the same person that approved the Beak.
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Made for Mankind?
And other cars are made for?
People with 20/20 vision?
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These Acura execs are on something.


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