Acura: RLX News
03-12-2014, 10:59 AM
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03-12-2014, 12:25 PM
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03-12-2014, 12:39 PM
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Some dude
According to this site:
2014 Acura RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter Mile 13.6
So this is what RLX can have for "dinner":
2014 BMW 535i xDrive 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter Mile 13.7
2014 Audi A6 3.0T 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter Mile 13.7
2014 Mercedes E350 Sedan 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter Mile 14.3
2013 Lexus GS 350 F-Sport Package 0-60 mph 5.4 Quarter Mile 13.8
And for sure will take on all with the driving dynamics of Honda technology.
2014 Acura RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter Mile 13.6
So this is what RLX can have for "dinner":
2014 BMW 535i xDrive 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter Mile 13.7
2014 Audi A6 3.0T 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter Mile 13.7
2014 Mercedes E350 Sedan 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter Mile 14.3
2013 Lexus GS 350 F-Sport Package 0-60 mph 5.4 Quarter Mile 13.8
And for sure will take on all with the driving dynamics of Honda technology.
All those cars look better and you totally forgot about the M5, S6, and E AMG for the rich person who cares about 0-60 times.
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03-12-2014, 02:01 PM
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03-12-2014, 05:04 PM
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I don't see where we were in disagreement. You claimed to have a highly-regarded source say that the CRZ would use the CTR powertrain. I pointed out I had that idea ages before your so-called source. Then you got defensive and started name-dropping CRZ owners. I even think it is a good idea so I feel the anger is misplaced.
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03-12-2014, 06:47 PM
#4687
I feel the need...
Appreciate the qualification there. I actually agree that they should put that system in every car they can. Market the shit out of it. By all accounts so far, it's a fantastic system, but it will never register with the car buying public if the minimum cost of entry is $60k. While the NSX is the halo car, they need to actually do something with that halo effect. Make an ILX Sport Hybrid, make a TLX version, hell make an MDX and RDX version too! Go nuts!
IL
ILX SH-AWD
TL
TLX SH-AWD
RL
RLX SH-AWD
RD
RDX SH-AWD
MD
MDX SH-AWD
Damn, all of a sudden Acura's Advanced Acronyms start to stand for something and define the lineup. Even better, add a Type S to every SH-AWD version with more buttoned down suspension/brake upgrades (if they don't want to bother with power tweaks). At the very least, Acura should do that. Shit, Acura could hire me at half the price of the retarded executives they have and I'd have the brand turned around in less than 5 years.
03-12-2014, 07:01 PM
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This is where I disagree with you. No need to add a lot of extra weight, complexity and expense of hybrid-AWD. Acura already has an awesome torque vectoring power-on oversteer all-wheel drive system called SH-AWD. Acura should instead have used economies of scale to bring down the weight, complexity and cost of SH-AWD and made it available as an option to EVERY car/cuv in their line up.
IL
ILX SH-AWD
TL
TLX SH-AWD
RL
RLX SH-AWD
RD
RDX SH-AWD
MD
MDX SH-AWD
Damn, all of a sudden Acura's Advanced Acronyms start to stand for something and define the lineup. Even better, add a Type S to every SH-AWD version with more buttoned down suspension/brake upgrades (if they don't want to bother with power tweaks). At the very least, Acura should do that. Shit, Acura could hire me at half the price of the retarded executives they have and I'd have the brand turned around in less than 5 years.
IL
ILX SH-AWD
TL
TLX SH-AWD
RL
RLX SH-AWD
RD
RDX SH-AWD
MD
MDX SH-AWD
Damn, all of a sudden Acura's Advanced Acronyms start to stand for something and define the lineup. Even better, add a Type S to every SH-AWD version with more buttoned down suspension/brake upgrades (if they don't want to bother with power tweaks). At the very least, Acura should do that. Shit, Acura could hire me at half the price of the retarded executives they have and I'd have the brand turned around in less than 5 years.
03-12-2014, 07:06 PM
#4690
I feel the need...
But it wasn't "good" enough for the RLX? 
So, listen up guys, lets huddle up here and reinvent the wheel for a car which will sell in volumes of less than 2000 annually and add a ton of weight, complexity and cost.
Spend your money where people with gobs of disposable income care. Power + Style - Plenum = Sales. This is easy math Acura.
So, listen up guys, lets huddle up here and reinvent the wheel for a car which will sell in volumes of less than 2000 annually and add a ton of weight, complexity and cost.
Spend your money where people with gobs of disposable income care. Power + Style - Plenum = Sales. This is easy math Acura.
03-12-2014, 07:11 PM
#4691
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You didn't hear? Luxury car buyers only care about MPG's now. And are big on acronyms. And want an X at the end of their Luxury car name. Resonates with their kids I guess. And apparently love fugly.
03-12-2014, 07:15 PM
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03-12-2014, 08:14 PM
#4694
6G TLX-S
.....
IL
ILX SH-AWD
TL
TLX SH-AWD
RL
RLX SH-AWD
RD
RDX SH-AWD
MD
MDX SH-AWD
Damn, all of a sudden Acura's Advanced Acronyms start to stand for something and define the lineup. Even better, add a Type S to every SH-AWD version with more buttoned down suspension/brake upgrades (if they don't want to bother with power tweaks). At the very least, Acura should do that. Shit, Acura could hire me at half the price of the retarded executives they have and I'd have the brand turned around in less than 5 years.
Let's wait and see which model is next on the downgrading list.
03-12-2014, 09:40 PM
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03-12-2014, 09:47 PM
#4696
But it wasn't "good" enough for the RLX?
So, listen up guys, lets huddle up here and reinvent the wheel for a car which will sell in volumes of less than 2000 annually and add a ton of weight, complexity and cost.
Spend your money where people with gobs of disposable income care. Power + Style - Plenum = Sales. This is easy math Acura.
So, listen up guys, lets huddle up here and reinvent the wheel for a car which will sell in volumes of less than 2000 annually and add a ton of weight, complexity and cost.
Spend your money where people with gobs of disposable income care. Power + Style - Plenum = Sales. This is easy math Acura.
03-13-2014, 01:49 AM
#4697
6G TLX-S
^^^^^
It doesn't make sense.
A few hundred units of RLX sales per month is almost negligible in trying to justify the
development cost of the new system, only the hot selling MDX and the volume-selling-sedan TL/TLX will add at least 10 of thousands of units per month to effectively spread out the development cost.
It doesn't make sense.
A few hundred units of RLX sales per month is almost negligible in trying to justify the
development cost of the new system, only the hot selling MDX and the volume-selling-sedan TL/TLX will add at least 10 of thousands of units per month to effectively spread out the development cost.
03-13-2014, 08:08 AM
#4698
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^^^^^
It doesn't make sense.
A few hundred units of RLX sales per month is almost negligible in trying to justify the
development cost of the new system, only the hot selling MDX and the volume-selling-sedan TL/TLX will add at least 10 of thousands of units per month to effectively spread out the development cost.
It doesn't make sense.
A few hundred units of RLX sales per month is almost negligible in trying to justify the
development cost of the new system, only the hot selling MDX and the volume-selling-sedan TL/TLX will add at least 10 of thousands of units per month to effectively spread out the development cost.
03-13-2014, 09:30 AM
#4699
^^^^^
It doesn't make sense.
A few hundred units of RLX sales per month is almost negligible in trying to justify the
development cost of the new system, only the hot selling MDX and the volume-selling-sedan TL/TLX will add at least 10 of thousands of units per month to effectively spread out the development cost.
It doesn't make sense.
A few hundred units of RLX sales per month is almost negligible in trying to justify the
development cost of the new system, only the hot selling MDX and the volume-selling-sedan TL/TLX will add at least 10 of thousands of units per month to effectively spread out the development cost.
I don't disagree with you that it would make more sense to spread that cost out further, but given the challenges already with acquiring the requisite batteries for the existing production needs, I cannot see them expanding the offering further until they have resolved the battery supply issue as well as the challenge of the amount of trunk space that is consumed.
03-13-2014, 12:25 PM
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eSH-AWD is an awesome innovation. Sure it adds a bit of weight, but it's a system that improve traction, power, torque, fuel economy, and handling significantly and simultaneously. It's a shame that so far it's only available on the RLX and NSX. It's also a shame that this system, like the original SH-AWD system, is not being promoted properly.
03-13-2014, 12:50 PM
#4701
I feel the need...
Totally had forgotten they had already dummified the RDX AWD system. 
03-14-2014, 09:04 AM
#4702
This is where I disagree with you. No need to add a lot of extra weight, complexity and expense of hybrid-AWD. Acura already has an awesome torque vectoring power-on oversteer all-wheel drive system called SH-AWD. Acura should instead have used economies of scale to bring down the weight, complexity and cost of SH-AWD and made it available as an option to EVERY car/cuv in their line up.
IL
ILX SH-AWD
TL
TLX SH-AWD
RL
RLX SH-AWD
RD
RDX SH-AWD
MD
MDX SH-AWD
Damn, all of a sudden Acura's Advanced Acronyms start to stand for something and define the lineup. Even better, add a Type S to every SH-AWD version with more buttoned down suspension/brake upgrades (if they don't want to bother with power tweaks). At the very least, Acura should do that. Shit, Acura could hire me at half the price of the retarded executives they have and I'd have the brand turned around in less than 5 years.
IL
ILX SH-AWD
TL
TLX SH-AWD
RL
RLX SH-AWD
RD
RDX SH-AWD
MD
MDX SH-AWD
Damn, all of a sudden Acura's Advanced Acronyms start to stand for something and define the lineup. Even better, add a Type S to every SH-AWD version with more buttoned down suspension/brake upgrades (if they don't want to bother with power tweaks). At the very least, Acura should do that. Shit, Acura could hire me at half the price of the retarded executives they have and I'd have the brand turned around in less than 5 years.
03-17-2014, 06:58 PM
#4703
Same reason why Acura started to offer the MDX in FWD.
03-18-2014, 02:10 AM
#4704
6G TLX-S
^^^^^
Shit, does it mean the future MDX will be using that shitty conventional AWD too ?
I guess that ILX buyers too don't care about performance/handling, because Acura doesn't even give it any AWD/sport-calibration-suspension option.
Shit, does it mean the future MDX will be using that shitty conventional AWD too ?
I guess that ILX buyers too don't care about performance/handling, because Acura doesn't even give it any AWD/sport-calibration-suspension option.
03-18-2014, 03:59 PM
#4705
Still don't get the RDX decision though.
03-18-2014, 06:09 PM
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RDX decision is simply an reaction to the poor sales of the 1g RDX. They built a turbocharged, fun to drive CUV. But its sales never took off due to relatively poor fuel consumption and stiff ride.
As such, Acura decided to make the 2G RDX a softer, more vanilla CUV. Long and behold, it's selling like hot cakes these days.
How about the enthusiasts? Well, we can only hope that there will be a Type S version with SH-AWD in the future. But I doubt it.
As such, Acura decided to make the 2G RDX a softer, more vanilla CUV. Long and behold, it's selling like hot cakes these days.
How about the enthusiasts? Well, we can only hope that there will be a Type S version with SH-AWD in the future. But I doubt it.
03-18-2014, 06:13 PM
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Its sales never took off due to it's fuglyness.
03-18-2014, 06:40 PM
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Naww, It was mostly empty nesters buying the 1st gen RDX. They loved the exterior appearance. They hated the ride, poor fuel economy, turbo torque rush and cheaper dash plastics.
Voila, Acura fixed those things and now they're everywhere..
Voila, Acura fixed those things and now they're everywhere..
03-18-2014, 07:30 PM
#4709
Yes, but if SH-AWD is about adding performance/handling...
and buyers in warmer climates decide that they don't want/need it (Audi doesn't offer the A7 and A8, much less the Q7 and Q5, in FWD even in the warmer climates for a reason - tho, think they can get away w/ a FWD Q5).
Basically means these buyers want an RX competitor.
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03-18-2014, 09:29 PM
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03-18-2014, 10:03 PM
#4711
But they don't for the US market b/c they know a FWD A7 and A8 wouldn't connote luxury/performance.
Europe (and to a certain extent Asia) is a much different market - one where no one bats an eye at the eponymous E Class taxi cab.
Europe (and to a certain extent Asia) is a much different market - one where no one bats an eye at the eponymous E Class taxi cab.
08-14-2014, 04:04 PM
#4712
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Hybrid Delayed
From here: http://www.leftlanenews.com/acura-rl...#ixzz3AP1YnL64
Acura says that a technical issue has forced it to delay the market launch of the RLX Sport Hybrid luxury sedan.
Though originally slated to arrive in dealerships this past spring, the RLX Sport Hybrid still isn't available for purchase. Mike Accavitti, senior vice president and general manager of Acura in the U.S., indicated that the sedan should go on sale within the next few months, but declined to specify the nature of the problem.
"I can tell you that it just hasn't met with our expectations yet," Accavitti told WardsAuto.
Positioned as the upscale version of the RLX full-size sedan, the Sport Hybrid packs a relatively complex "Super-Handling All-Wheel-Drive" powertrain comprised of a 3.5-liter V6 and an electric motor at the front of the car, and another pair of electric motors situated in back that drive the rear wheels and provide torque vectoring. The setup, which will be used in mid-engine, twin-turbocharged form for the upcoming NSX sports car, produces 377 horsepower in the RLX.
Speculative reports have cited teething problems with the Super-Handling All-Wheel-Drive system and lithium-ion battery shortages as potential causes of the setback.
While not expected to be a volume seller, Acura is hoping that the RLX Sport Hybrid will act as a halo vehicle and technology leader for the brand.
The RLX Sport Hybrid isn't the only recent Acura product to suffer a setback. The TLX sedan, which debuted a pair of advanced transmissions and other new technologies, saw its launch pushed back from spring until this summer so that Acura could ensure all elements of the car were ready for production.
Though originally slated to arrive in dealerships this past spring, the RLX Sport Hybrid still isn't available for purchase. Mike Accavitti, senior vice president and general manager of Acura in the U.S., indicated that the sedan should go on sale within the next few months, but declined to specify the nature of the problem.
"I can tell you that it just hasn't met with our expectations yet," Accavitti told WardsAuto.
Positioned as the upscale version of the RLX full-size sedan, the Sport Hybrid packs a relatively complex "Super-Handling All-Wheel-Drive" powertrain comprised of a 3.5-liter V6 and an electric motor at the front of the car, and another pair of electric motors situated in back that drive the rear wheels and provide torque vectoring. The setup, which will be used in mid-engine, twin-turbocharged form for the upcoming NSX sports car, produces 377 horsepower in the RLX.
Speculative reports have cited teething problems with the Super-Handling All-Wheel-Drive system and lithium-ion battery shortages as potential causes of the setback.
While not expected to be a volume seller, Acura is hoping that the RLX Sport Hybrid will act as a halo vehicle and technology leader for the brand.
The RLX Sport Hybrid isn't the only recent Acura product to suffer a setback. The TLX sedan, which debuted a pair of advanced transmissions and other new technologies, saw its launch pushed back from spring until this summer so that Acura could ensure all elements of the car were ready for production.
08-14-2014, 05:10 PM
#4713
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My guess is the electric motor(s) is causing the delay.
08-14-2014, 06:54 PM
#4714
Team Owner
you know what tho..
Who cares.... it is not like it will get noticed or provide any real impact on Acura brand or automotive industry.
They need to focus on something more realistic... fix the god damn ILX now.
Who cares.... it is not like it will get noticed or provide any real impact on Acura brand or automotive industry.
They need to focus on something more realistic... fix the god damn ILX now.
08-14-2014, 08:54 PM
#4715
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On the flip side of that why would you upgrade from a TLX to an RLX? The advanced FWD TLX comes in at $43,000. Can you really argue that the RLX advanced is worth an extra $18,000? That's a big price difference, and for what? A better audio system, and a bigger car. Sadly, that to me isn't worth it.
08-15-2014, 01:03 AM
#4716
6G TLX-S
Why on earth does Honda have to make the hybrid-motored RLX/NSX so complicated electronically and mechanically ?
Will a simple RWD one not cut it ?
Will a simple RWD one not cut it ?
08-15-2014, 01:10 AM
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08-15-2014, 11:25 AM
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I couldn't agree more with that. Put the 2.4 with the DCT in replacement of the slow 2.0 and that alone will fix 90% of the car's problems. For less than $2,000 you can upgrade your ILX (with premium package) to the TLX. You'd be crazy not to do that. If you want the tech package the TLX has a lot of features that aren't even on the ILX.
On the flip side of that why would you upgrade from a TLX to an RLX? The advanced FWD TLX comes in at $43,000. Can you really argue that the RLX advanced is worth an extra $18,000? That's a big price difference, and for what? A better audio system, and a bigger car. Sadly, that to me isn't worth it.
On the flip side of that why would you upgrade from a TLX to an RLX? The advanced FWD TLX comes in at $43,000. Can you really argue that the RLX advanced is worth an extra $18,000? That's a big price difference, and for what? A better audio system, and a bigger car. Sadly, that to me isn't worth it.
I bet you that even if they use RWD, they would still fit a detuned version of NSX's system in there just to piss people off...lol
08-15-2014, 12:02 PM
#4719
Team Owner
Yes....ILX is more important and it's relatively easier to fix too. I'd say the 2.4 should be paired with the 8-DCT just like the TLX. I guess the 2.0 can be paired with the CVT as the base model as long as Acura can get another 20hp out of it.
I bet you that even if they use RWD, they would still fit a detuned version of NSX's system in there just to piss people off...lol
I bet you that even if they use RWD, they would still fit a detuned version of NSX's system in there just to piss people off...lol
Maybe 20 years ago in the Integra, not in 2014
2.4L should be the base engine.
2.4 Base
2.4 Tech
2.4 Type S (they need to come up with something new for this, whether turbo or some battery)
08-15-2014, 12:15 PM
#4720
99 TL, 06 E350
LOL..I have been bitching about that ugly and under powered ILX for sometime now.
Whatever team at Acura designed that thing should have been hung!
Whatever team at Acura designed that thing should have been hung!