Acura: RLX News
#4321
The hybrid handling system is on the AWD RLX out in the fall.
I'll see how that does before declaring the RLX a winner or loser in terms of performance.
The article shows the good and bad on the 2014 RLX.
MT liked the interior and ride, heck besides handling it outperformed in majority of performance over the Cadillac even braking despite the Caddy having Brembo's.
I'll see how that does before declaring the RLX a winner or loser in terms of performance.
The article shows the good and bad on the 2014 RLX.
MT liked the interior and ride, heck besides handling it outperformed in majority of performance over the Cadillac even braking despite the Caddy having Brembo's.
I thought FWD RLX has that.
#4322
EPA rating for a BMW 335i 6MT sedan is 20city/30hwy not 25/33
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx
#4323
01 CL-S i average about 22mpg mixed highway/local
06 accord i average about 22-24mph mixed highway/local
13 335 i average about 29 mixed highway/local
05 and 07 S2000 i average about 23-24 mpg
08 G37 was about 19mpg mixed
Same city, same person, same driving habit, same calculating method (total miles per tank / # of gallon filled) i dont trust on the board computer.
Been resetting the trip computer everytime i refilled my tank on all my car to see the mileage. I even reset the E92 328 loaner car when i filled it up. So far 18.5mpg!
I don't care about getting the best MPG but i have always been curious about the #.
So based on my experience you cannot convince me that your 02 TL-S or my 01 CL-S can get 30mpg mixed highway/city.
Nowadays almost all cars can get 30mpg on 100% highway, i was averaging 29mpg in my boss's S550 on the way back from Vegas. But how often does that happen?
My #s are in no way representation of what you will get in your car but at least it gives you an idea. So if you are saying you can get 30mpg in your 2G TL, then you should be getting 35+ in 335 with the same driving style.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 06-06-2013 at 05:07 PM.
#4324
Yes, it's called "P AWS", but it has nothing to do with a hybrid system. All RLXs have P AWS. The "Sport Hybrid" will be the only one with AWD.
#4325
Look for the word "sport", genius:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s4_comparison/
Oh, and don't forget the name of the AWD version is called the "Sport Hybrid".
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s4_comparison/
Oh, and don't forget the name of the AWD version is called the "Sport Hybrid".
Last edited by SSFTSX; 06-06-2013 at 09:30 PM.
#4326
#4327
#4328
The most reliable and consistent method is what the EPA does for mileage claims. Not perfect but provides the most precision process and methods that the EPA does in a controlled environment with set speeds, course, temps, road surface, .... Far better than individual claims (IMO, the worst reference) and even media claims. Until something else comes along better, the best out there for comparing apples to apples is EPA mileage as a reference.
FWIW
2013 Accord 6AT V6 21 / 34 / 25
2013 335 6AT 23 / 33 / 26
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....33172&id=33054
I suspect I would get similar mileage for either vehicle
FWIW
2013 Accord 6AT V6 21 / 34 / 25
2013 335 6AT 23 / 33 / 26
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....33172&id=33054
I suspect I would get similar mileage for either vehicle
Then i guess i am the minority but regardless,if you want to compare apple to apple.
01 CL-S i average about 22mpg mixed highway/local
06 accord i average about 22-24mph mixed highway/local
13 335 i average about 29 mixed highway/local
05 and 07 S2000 i average about 23-24 mpg
08 G37 was about 19mpg mixed
Same city, same person, same driving habit, same calculating method (total miles per tank / # of gallon filled) i dont trust on the board computer.
Been resetting the trip computer everytime i refilled my tank on all my car to see the mileage. I even reset the E92 328 loaner car when i filled it up. So far 18.5mpg!
I don't care about getting the best MPG but i have always been curious about the #.
So based on my experience you cannot convince me that your 02 TL-S or my 01 CL-S can get 30mpg mixed highway/city.
Nowadays almost all cars can get 30mpg on 100% highway, i was averaging 29mpg in my boss's S550 on the way back from Vegas. But how often does that happen?
My #s are in no way representation of what you will get in your car but at least it gives you an idea. So if you are saying you can get 30mpg in your 2G TL, then you should be getting 35+ in 335 with the same driving style.
01 CL-S i average about 22mpg mixed highway/local
06 accord i average about 22-24mph mixed highway/local
13 335 i average about 29 mixed highway/local
05 and 07 S2000 i average about 23-24 mpg
08 G37 was about 19mpg mixed
Same city, same person, same driving habit, same calculating method (total miles per tank / # of gallon filled) i dont trust on the board computer.
Been resetting the trip computer everytime i refilled my tank on all my car to see the mileage. I even reset the E92 328 loaner car when i filled it up. So far 18.5mpg!
I don't care about getting the best MPG but i have always been curious about the #.
So based on my experience you cannot convince me that your 02 TL-S or my 01 CL-S can get 30mpg mixed highway/city.
Nowadays almost all cars can get 30mpg on 100% highway, i was averaging 29mpg in my boss's S550 on the way back from Vegas. But how often does that happen?
My #s are in no way representation of what you will get in your car but at least it gives you an idea. So if you are saying you can get 30mpg in your 2G TL, then you should be getting 35+ in 335 with the same driving style.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 06-07-2013 at 10:47 AM.
#4329
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I rarely get anything under 30-31 on the hwy cruising between 75-80 with my out dated nearing 400k miles modified J32A2. The fact that the new J has to shut 3 cyl off to get similar isnt that good of technology updates to the engine to achieve the EPA ratings.
But i agree with you about magazine MPG test. A few hundred miles of them testing doesnt mean squat when it comes to real world daily driving. You get a better idea when you look at the long term vehicle updates they have on occasion and most are under the combined rating. In the end it all comes down to who and how its driven.
But i agree with you about magazine MPG test. A few hundred miles of them testing doesnt mean squat when it comes to real world daily driving. You get a better idea when you look at the long term vehicle updates they have on occasion and most are under the combined rating. In the end it all comes down to who and how its driven.
The 2013 Accord V6 6AT is rated at EPA 21/34mpg. There are quite a few people over at TOV getting close to 40mpg on the hwy.
In short, while we can get better than EPA rating on the hwy, the same can be said of the new Accord too.
The most reliable and consistent method is what the EPA does for mileage claims. Not perfect but provides the most precision process and methods that the EPA does in a controlled environment with set speeds, course, temps, road surface, .... Far better than individual claims (IMO, the worst reference) and even media claims. Until something else comes along better, the best out there for comparing apples to apples is EPA mileage as a reference.
FWIW
2013 Accord 6AT V6 21 / 34 / 25
2013 335 6AT 23 / 33 / 26
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....33172&id=33054
I suspect I would get similar mileage for either vehicle
FWIW
2013 Accord 6AT V6 21 / 34 / 25
2013 335 6AT 23 / 33 / 26
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....33172&id=33054
I suspect I would get similar mileage for either vehicle
#4330
I'd assume I'm another of the 2G TL drivers getting ~30hwy. I'm averaging 26-28 combined, usually 70/30 hwy/city.
#4331
I get 22 city mixed on my TL AWD. Straight highway, I get 31-32mpg in it. So yes I believe it.
Then i guess i am the minority but regardless,if you want to compare apple to apple.
01 CL-S i average about 22mpg mixed highway/local
06 accord i average about 22-24mph mixed highway/local
13 335 i average about 29 mixed highway/local
05 and 07 S2000 i average about 23-24 mpg
08 G37 was about 19mpg mixed
Same city, same person, same driving habit, same calculating method (total miles per tank / # of gallon filled) i dont trust on the board computer.
Been resetting the trip computer everytime i refilled my tank on all my car to see the mileage. I even reset the E92 328 loaner car when i filled it up. So far 18.5mpg!
I don't care about getting the best MPG but i have always been curious about the #.
So based on my experience you cannot convince me that your 02 TL-S or my 01 CL-S can get 30mpg mixed highway/city.
Nowadays almost all cars can get 30mpg on 100% highway, i was averaging 29mpg in my boss's S550 on the way back from Vegas. But how often does that happen?
My #s are in no way representation of what you will get in your car but at least it gives you an idea. So if you are saying you can get 30mpg in your 2G TL, then you should be getting 35+ in 335 with the same driving style.
01 CL-S i average about 22mpg mixed highway/local
06 accord i average about 22-24mph mixed highway/local
13 335 i average about 29 mixed highway/local
05 and 07 S2000 i average about 23-24 mpg
08 G37 was about 19mpg mixed
Same city, same person, same driving habit, same calculating method (total miles per tank / # of gallon filled) i dont trust on the board computer.
Been resetting the trip computer everytime i refilled my tank on all my car to see the mileage. I even reset the E92 328 loaner car when i filled it up. So far 18.5mpg!
I don't care about getting the best MPG but i have always been curious about the #.
So based on my experience you cannot convince me that your 02 TL-S or my 01 CL-S can get 30mpg mixed highway/city.
Nowadays almost all cars can get 30mpg on 100% highway, i was averaging 29mpg in my boss's S550 on the way back from Vegas. But how often does that happen?
My #s are in no way representation of what you will get in your car but at least it gives you an idea. So if you are saying you can get 30mpg in your 2G TL, then you should be getting 35+ in 335 with the same driving style.
#4332
The most reliable and consistent method is what the EPA does for mileage claims. Not perfect but provides the most precision process and methods that the EPA does in a controlled environment with set speeds, course, temps, road surface, .... Far better than individual claims (IMO, the worst reference) and even media claims. Until something else comes along better, the best out there for comparing apples to apples is EPA mileage as a reference.
FWIW
2013 Accord 6AT V6 21 / 34 / 25
2013 335 6AT 23 / 33 / 26
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....33172&id=33054
I suspect I would get similar mileage for either vehicle
FWIW
2013 Accord 6AT V6 21 / 34 / 25
2013 335 6AT 23 / 33 / 26
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....33172&id=33054
I suspect I would get similar mileage for either vehicle
While I mainly agree with you but i still think some of the claims by EPA is not realistic, well at least to me.
No point to debate on this useless topic, as i really don't care about having 20 more or less miles per tank.
#4333
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....33054&id=32907
6MT gets worst mileage than the 8AT which sorta proves how amazing modern AT's are.
The EPA mileage number are more realistic than the use to be. The technical editor of R&T had a great article on the new standards and how the DOT/EPA have changed to be more consistent and have greater accuracy and precision with respect to actual driving. Still not perfect but it's the best that's out there for comparing vehicles.
#4334
The hybrid handling system is on the AWD RLX out in the fall.
I'll see how that does before declaring the RLX a winner or loser in terms of performance.
The article shows the good and bad on the 2014 RLX.
MT liked the interior and ride, heck besides handling it outperformed in majority of performance over the Cadillac even braking despite the Caddy having Brembo's.
I'll see how that does before declaring the RLX a winner or loser in terms of performance.
The article shows the good and bad on the 2014 RLX.
MT liked the interior and ride, heck besides handling it outperformed in majority of performance over the Cadillac even braking despite the Caddy having Brembo's.
#4335
The repeated fade is more the brake rotor and pad material not the Brembo calipers.
What the Brembo's calipers mainly bring is excellent modulation and control since the 4/6/8 pistons and fixed caliper design allow consistent pad/rotor force and distribution. They also have very low friction between the pston seal and bore due to their propiertary coatings. And they can reduce sprung weight with their aluminum construction over the cast iron of most fixed 1/2 piston calipers.
#4336
The repeated fade is more the brake rotor and pad material not the Brembo calipers.
What the Brembo's calipers mainly bring is excellent modulation and control since the 4/6/8 pistons and fixed caliper design allow consistent pad/rotor force and distribution. They also have very low friction between the pston seal and bore due to their propiertary coatings. And they can reduce sprung weight with their aluminum construction over the cast iron of most fixed 1/2 piston calipers.
What the Brembo's calipers mainly bring is excellent modulation and control since the 4/6/8 pistons and fixed caliper design allow consistent pad/rotor force and distribution. They also have very low friction between the pston seal and bore due to their propiertary coatings. And they can reduce sprung weight with their aluminum construction over the cast iron of most fixed 1/2 piston calipers.
#4337
Automatic transmission -Ventilated, 11.4 in (300 mm) diameter; 1.1 in (28 mm) rotor thickness
Manual transmission - Brembo ventilated, 12.2 in (310 mm) diameter, 0.98 in (25 mm) rotor thickness
And yes the tires are important as their coefficent of friction is often the limiting factor in low-mid velocity stopping where brake thermal/friction management is not a problem. That is not the case in high velocity or carrying a heavy load. stopping from 80+ often puts the brakes friction and thermal management as the weak link. Towing with a heavy load also puts the brakes as the weak link as well.
It all depends on the environment (coefficient friction, temp,...) and conditions when it comes to figuring out where the limits are for braking distance.
#4338
Sometimes, on the 3G TL IIRC the rotors are slightly larger in diamter and thinner.
Automatic transmission -Ventilated, 11.4 in (300 mm) diameter; 1.1 in (28 mm) rotor thickness
Manual transmission - Brembo ventilated, 12.2 in (310 mm) diameter, 0.98 in (25 mm) rotor thickness
And yes the tires are important as their coefficent of friction is often the limiting factor in low-mid velocity stopping where brake thermal/friction management is not a problem. That is not the case in high velocity or carrying a heavy load. stopping from 80+ often puts the brakes friction and thermal management as the weak link. Towing with a heavy load also puts the brakes as the weak link as well.
It all depends on the environment (coefficient friction, temp,...) and conditions when it comes to figuring out where the limits are for braking distance.
Automatic transmission -Ventilated, 11.4 in (300 mm) diameter; 1.1 in (28 mm) rotor thickness
Manual transmission - Brembo ventilated, 12.2 in (310 mm) diameter, 0.98 in (25 mm) rotor thickness
And yes the tires are important as their coefficent of friction is often the limiting factor in low-mid velocity stopping where brake thermal/friction management is not a problem. That is not the case in high velocity or carrying a heavy load. stopping from 80+ often puts the brakes friction and thermal management as the weak link. Towing with a heavy load also puts the brakes as the weak link as well.
It all depends on the environment (coefficient friction, temp,...) and conditions when it comes to figuring out where the limits are for braking distance.
#4339
#4340
I've driven the 5AT and 6MT 3G TL's and I prefer the Brembo's for braking modulation control and feel.
The upgrade is having fixed lighter caliper with more pistons for more equal distribution of the brake forces across the pad area.
And they look cool too
#4341
RLX is faster and handles better than LS F sport.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review
#4344
RLX is faster and handles better than LS F sport.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review
for example RLX is Lexus GS F Sport competitor because it is similarly priced.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rt-test-review
Last edited by AZuser; 06-20-2013 at 02:37 PM.
#4345
But LS F Sport is more expensive to lease or buy than RLX. RLX "too much cut price compared to" LS F Sport "so it is not competitor at all."
for example RLX is Lexus GS F Sport competitor because it is similarly priced.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rt-test-review
for example RLX is Lexus GS F Sport competitor because it is similarly priced.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rt-test-review
#4346
And what is your point? When comparing cars with different tires, the Same could be said about a Ferrari, ZR1,Viper, GTR etc... Simple fact is is that some cars come with better handling tires which give it the advantage. And DONT say well "if" said car came with the same tires it would handle better, because you cant because it DOESNT come with it, and if you do we will just do the same about the other car. And just because its a larger tire doesnt mean its going to handle better. I have had 235s that handled better than 255s
Last edited by fsttyms1; 06-21-2013 at 09:05 AM.
#4347
And what is your point? When comparing cars with different tires, the Same could be said about a Ferrari, ZR1,Viper, GTR etc... Simple fact is is that some cars come with better handling tires which give it the advantage. And DONT say well "if" said car came with the same tires it would handle better, because you cant because it DOESNT come with it, and if you do we will just do the same about the other car. And just because its a larger tire doesnt mean its going to handle better. I have had 235s that handled better than 255s
#4348
And what is your point? When comparing cars with different tires, the Same could be said about a Ferrari, ZR1,Viper, GTR etc... Simple fact is is that some cars come with better handling tires which give it the advantage. And DONT say well "if" said car came with the same tires it would handle better, because you cant because it DOESNT come with it, and if you do we will just do the same about the other car. And just because its a larger tire doesnt mean its going to handle better. I have had 235s that handled better than 255s
Even GS 350 AWD need Dunlop Sport Max to pull 0.87g. Car gest slower at 100mph despite increased traction from AWD launch.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...exus-gs350.pdf
#4349
see TL-SH-AWD example. Its the tires that make all the difference. without those tires TL-SH-AWD can only pull 0.86g which is a lot closer to 0.84g of RLX. and RLX have longer wheel base.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
Without the high-performance Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 rubber fitted to our previous test car, we saw a significant drop in skidpad grip and, more important, braking distance. The 2012 TL SH-AWD, with its standard Goodyear Eagle RS-As, only managed 0.86 g on the skidpad and needed 178 feet to stop from 70 mph compared with 0.92 g and an impressive 158 feet on the optional rubber. That’s an easy refresher about the importance of what’s between you and the road.
Without the high-performance Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 rubber fitted to our previous test car, we saw a significant drop in skidpad grip and, more important, braking distance. The 2012 TL SH-AWD, with its standard Goodyear Eagle RS-As, only managed 0.86 g on the skidpad and needed 178 feet to stop from 70 mph compared with 0.92 g and an impressive 158 feet on the optional rubber. That’s an easy refresher about the importance of what’s between you and the road.
#4350
255 may be soft side wall that's why don't handle well. the point is RLX is for quietness and fuel efficiency to make it like LS. not GS F sport.
Even GS 350 AWD need Dunlop Sport Max to pull 0.87g. Car gest slower at 100mph despite increased traction from AWD launch.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...exus-gs350.pdf
Even GS 350 AWD need Dunlop Sport Max to pull 0.87g. Car gest slower at 100mph despite increased traction from AWD launch.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...exus-gs350.pdf
WTF does the car getting slower at 100mph despite having increased traction from launch have anything to do with tires? or anything in general?..... Ill let you in on a little hint...... NOTHING!!!!
Last edited by fsttyms1; 06-22-2013 at 09:30 AM.
#4351
255 may be soft side wall that's why don't handle well. the point is RLX is for quietness and fuel efficiency to make it like LS. not GS F sport.
Even GS 350 AWD need Dunlop Sport Max to pull 0.87g. Car gest slower at 100mph despite increased traction from AWD launch.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...exus-gs350.pdf
Even GS 350 AWD need Dunlop Sport Max to pull 0.87g. Car gest slower at 100mph despite increased traction from AWD launch.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...exus-gs350.pdf
I can guarantee you that the sidewall wasnt soft. Just because the tire is wider or not an all season doesnt mean its leaps and bounds better than something smaller or all season.
WTF does the car getting slower at 100mph despite having increased traction from launch have anything to do with tires? or anything in general?..... Ill let you in on a little hint...... NOTHING!!!!
WTF does the car getting slower at 100mph despite having increased traction from launch have anything to do with tires? or anything in general?..... Ill let you in on a little hint...... NOTHING!!!!
#4353
From what I know about Acuras, I can tell you they have the best vent design. RLX vent design is far superior than LS, 7 series, or even S-class. You know the flagships of their companies, the RLX's immediate and only competition.
#4355
But LS F Sport is more expensive to lease or buy than RLX. RLX "too much cut price compared to" LS F Sport "so it is not competitor at all."
for example RLX is Lexus GS F Sport competitor because it is similarly priced.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rt-test-review
for example RLX is Lexus GS F Sport competitor because it is similarly priced.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rt-test-review
#4358
The RLX competes directly against other "full size" interior room FWD-based sedans (the XTS, MKS), but is also seen as competing against the midsize RWD sedans on the basis of price.
As stated by Acura execs, the RLX is seen as competing more against the midsize sedans than the flagship sedans, so comparisons to the GS is more apt (just as the midsize FWD Lexus ES and Lincoln MKZ are seen as "competing" against the compact RWD segment and Cadillac seeing that the XTS competes in the midsize segment along w/ the new CTS, while the upcoming Omega-based RWD sedan will compete in the flagship segment).
As stated by Acura execs, the RLX is seen as competing more against the midsize sedans than the flagship sedans, so comparisons to the GS is more apt (just as the midsize FWD Lexus ES and Lincoln MKZ are seen as "competing" against the compact RWD segment and Cadillac seeing that the XTS competes in the midsize segment along w/ the new CTS, while the upcoming Omega-based RWD sedan will compete in the flagship segment).
Last edited by YEH; 07-21-2013 at 07:58 PM.
#4359
2013 Genesis Coupe 6MT 340bhp. 0-60 in 7.4 second. summer performane tires.
http://www.tflcar.com/2013/07/2013-h...-drive-review/
2013 RLX 6AT 310 bhp 0-60 in 8.1 seconds. All season tire setup. 500lbs heavier car.
http://www.tflcar.com/2013/07/2014-a...evving-luxury/
IF RLX had summer performance tires. it will be much closer. Honda engines are degraded much less at 1 mile high tests.
http://www.tflcar.com/2013/07/2013-h...-drive-review/
2013 RLX 6AT 310 bhp 0-60 in 8.1 seconds. All season tire setup. 500lbs heavier car.
http://www.tflcar.com/2013/07/2014-a...evving-luxury/
IF RLX had summer performance tires. it will be much closer. Honda engines are degraded much less at 1 mile high tests.