Acura: NSX News
06-18-2008, 12:12 PM
#1481
Damn, that looks nuts. Never thought i'd be a fan of those vertical tips after seeing the IS-F but man....that car looks bad ass...
Theres no way this is going to be a CL....Unless they're making the CL go head on against the Z06. Those tires easily look like 285+, and its wearing BBK's on all four corners.
Theres no way this is going to be a CL....Unless they're making the CL go head on against the Z06. Those tires easily look like 285+, and its wearing BBK's on all four corners.
06-18-2008, 02:08 PM
#1483
Ok I know it's from LLN but still gives us something to dream about.
8 Speed gearbox 
During the 1990s, there was no shortage of Japanese performance cars, with offerings like the Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo, Toyota Supra Turbo and Acura NSX. But due to several factors, these models slowly died out, leaving a void in the performance ca market. But things are back into full swing in the late 2000s and it looks as though the competition is just starting to heat up.
Nissan was the first to fire a shot across the bow of its rival Japanese automakers with its GT-R, and now the likes of Lexus and Acura are preparing to fight back. Lexus has already stated that it plans to best the GT-R’s 7 minute 29 second sprint around Germany’s Nürburgring with its upcoming LF-A and now Honda CEO Takeo Fukui has reportedly ordered that the next-generation NSX beat both rival supercars around the famous track.
Although besting the GT-R’s mark is a tall order, the NSX might just have the goods to do it. Acura’s next supercar is said to be powered by a 550 horsepower 5.5L V10 derived from the V8 to be used in the company’s all-new RL sedan, with power being sent to all four wheels via an updated version of the company’s SH-AWD. An eight-speed gearbox should help to keep the V10 in its sweet spot.
However, with development of the Nissan GT-R V-Spec already underway, Acura engineers may have to account for a much lower lap time to beat.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-ce...html#more-7756
Nissan was the first to fire a shot across the bow of its rival Japanese automakers with its GT-R, and now the likes of Lexus and Acura are preparing to fight back. Lexus has already stated that it plans to best the GT-R’s 7 minute 29 second sprint around Germany’s Nürburgring with its upcoming LF-A and now Honda CEO Takeo Fukui has reportedly ordered that the next-generation NSX beat both rival supercars around the famous track.
Although besting the GT-R’s mark is a tall order, the NSX might just have the goods to do it. Acura’s next supercar is said to be powered by a 550 horsepower 5.5L V10 derived from the V8 to be used in the company’s all-new RL sedan, with power being sent to all four wheels via an updated version of the company’s SH-AWD. An eight-speed gearbox should help to keep the V10 in its sweet spot.
However, with development of the Nissan GT-R V-Spec already underway, Acura engineers may have to account for a much lower lap time to beat.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-ce...html#more-7756
06-18-2008, 03:56 PM
#1484
6G TLX-S
8 speed gearbox is nothing new. The Lexus LS460 has it for almost two years.
06-18-2008, 04:47 PM
#1486
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Originally Posted by Trackruner228
I think it looks nice. 
The lines kind of remind me of an aston martin.
The lines kind of remind me of an aston martin.
A grand-touring saloon car of sorts...Time will tell. But, if the 550HP V10 engine holds true...there just may be hope.
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06-18-2008, 04:57 PM
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V10 550 hp......... Hopefully it will rev like a F1 motor in that thing. 
06-18-2008, 04:57 PM
#1488
luvs redheads!
It was rumored a few months back to be a 2+2, and SH-AWD still holding the V10 in the front. Looks like it came to be. However one problem, unless they make that thing lighter or that Sh-AWD system can get the power to the ground...it will not be faster than the GT-R. The body looks wayyyy to big to be lightweight.
06-18-2008, 05:10 PM
#1489
6G TLX-S
If the body is still heavy, slapping a twin-turbo onto the V10, making another 200hp will definitely help.
06-18-2008, 10:10 PM
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I don't think it's really that tough (as in..impossible) to beat the GTR if it does have SH-AWD and 550hp V10. If this thing is also at around 3800lbs, then it would at least be as fast as the GT-R, as long as it has the right tuning. What I mean is, the GTR right now is 3800lbs, has 480 claimed hp, but more like 550 or so, and AWD. If this next..NSX (or whatever it will be called) is also around 3800lbs, has 550hp, 8-speed gear box, and SH-AWD, then really, it should be able to match the performance of the GT-R. And judging from Honda's experience in making fast track cars with very little power, such as the NSX-R, ITR, CTR, TL-S, etc, I think beating the GT-R on the ring can be achieved.
06-18-2008, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by iforyou
I don't think it's really that tough (as in..impossible) to beat the GTR if it does have SH-AWD and 550hp V10. If this thing is also at around 3800lbs, then it would at least be as fast as the GT-R, as long as it has the right tuning. What I mean is, the GTR right now is 3800lbs, has 480 claimed hp, but more like 550 or so, and AWD. If this next..NSX (or whatever it will be called) is also around 3800lbs, has 550hp, 8-speed gear box, and SH-AWD, then really, it should be able to match the performance of the GT-R. And judging from Honda's experience in making fast track cars with very little power, such as the NSX-R, ITR, CTR, TL-S, etc, I think beating the GT-R on the ring can be achieved.
HONDA has the v10 powerplant in their hands from the F1 teams, and those things were pumping out some serious power. Making a 550 HP V10 should be much easier for them with all that racing experience with the v10. Also they have the Mugen V8 that they use for racing, which they have dealt with, and adding 2 more cylinders to that should not be hard for them to do.
Weight, the weight of the NSX should be around 3700 pounds if honda does not use any CF, the old NSX weighed in around 2900 pounds, and that was with all aluminum body and frame. Add SH-AWD, additional weight of v10, and all modern luxuries, you should be near 3700, but subtract some weight as honda will be keen to use CF, they used it on the NA2 NSX-R and they will use it on the next generation sports car.
06-19-2008, 12:14 AM
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Yea, I agree. My estimate of 3800lbs for the next NSX is a conservative estimate. Are they also using 2.4L V8 now in F1? I'd imagine V8 or V10 wouldn't be a problem to them.
06-19-2008, 12:45 AM
#1494
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Yea, I agree. My estimate of 3800lbs for the next NSX is a conservative estimate. Are they also using 2.4L V8 now in F1? I'd imagine V8 or V10 wouldn't be a problem to them.
The changes that Honda is going though right now are unpredictable really. Their entire designs with acura came as a shock, either you love it or hate, it, attention drawing rather than the conventional i don't need to prove anything look. The way their motor line-up is running with just increasing the size by .2 liter isn't cutting it so they are pushed up against a wall. The competition is fierce and gas prices are rising, and with the just the mule of a NSX being seen, with the rumored v10, it goes against honda's theories. All we can to is guess, but there are certain things that can help us with the speculation.
As I stated before (not sure of which thread), small displacement, more cylinders with cylinder shut-off is the route honda may take with the NSX, it's the only thing to do with having a 10 cyl. motor,
OR
Honda may just blast us all with a shock, and use a supercharged/turbo'ed v8 or v6 with shutoff switch and cylinder shut-off. This creates less dead weight for power with the motor, and also creates amazing MPG possibilities with serious power, who wouldn't love a 500HP FI beast from the factory, with tons of TQ too!
For those who don't get it, basically have smart logic/switch in the car where when the pedal is depressed past say 65% or maybe a user set amount, the FI system will engage with SMART operation. With MANUAL operation, just have a switch that will keep it on full time or keep it off full time.
All I can say is honda is serious with the upcoming supercar, I don't think it will be called the NSX due to some previous owner issues and other stuff. Honda was pretty serious with the NA2 Type R, for those who don't know it here are some cliffs on it:
-Motor hand built (like all other NSX's) with tolerances 1/100 of the nsx tolerances for motor parts, and 1/10 for everything else.
-There was extensive aerodynamic tests done and extensive enhancements for cooling and aerodynamics, such as the full Carbon Fiber underbody trays to channel air properly, etc.
-Suspension was highly tuned
-Carbon kelevar seats from recaro were used, each seat now costs 13K for replacements, OUCH!
-Carbon fiber used in many places to reduce weight
-To reduce weight, a mesh shift boot was used, to save around 12 grams...
-Had shift lights in the gauge cluster
Just to sum it up, Honda spent quite a bit to make this ground breaking car (1991 NSX) into a race-car for the streets, and to re-achieve that, they may do anything that they can. They have plenty of resources to use, it's just a matter of how to use them.
As far as that NSX test mule, compare that to the drawing that was done in a magazine in japan, they look identical in many ways, I'll try to find that image...
06-19-2008, 12:51 AM
#1495
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here is a few of the ones that the new pics really resemble:
06-19-2008, 12:53 AM
#1496
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also here's a "rendering" (not sure of right term) from OSCAR DRIVER on NSXPRIME.COM
06-19-2008, 12:57 AM
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rendering from HONDA-RONNY @ NSXPRIME
06-19-2008, 01:52 AM
#1499
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
I think Honda has completely lost it.
First they want the new NSX to be a "big GT" car to go against the Mercedes SL and Bentley Continental GT. Then they want it to be one notch up from the Corvette fighter. Now they want it to be a GT-R/LF-A fighter.
Honda, please make up your mind because 2010 is coming up real fast to go back to the drawing boards again !
First they want the new NSX to be a "big GT" car to go against the Mercedes SL and Bentley Continental GT. Then they want it to be one notch up from the Corvette fighter. Now they want it to be a GT-R/LF-A fighter.
Honda, please make up your mind because 2010 is coming up real fast to go back to the drawing boards again !
Why do you always post the same shit? The truth of the matter is that NOBODY here knows what car this is. Unless you work for Honda and know exactly what is going on inside, stop talking like every report you see on Mag X is a damn press release from the CEO if Honda. And FYI, the car was ALWAYS supposed to be in the same class as the GT-R and LF-A. Another FYI, both those cars ARE GT cars.
Nobody ever said that this car was supposed to go against the SL or Continental GT. Please, do some research before you post the same old tired complaints.
06-19-2008, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by VTEC Racer
Why do you always post the same shit? The truth of the matter is that NOBODY here knows what car this is. Unless you work for Honda and know exactly what is going on inside, stop talking like every report you see on Mag X is a damn press release from the CEO if Honda. And FYI, the car was ALWAYS supposed to be in the same class as the GT-R and LF-A. Another FYI, both those cars ARE GT cars. Nobody ever said that this car was supposed to go against the SL or Continental GT. Please, do some research before you post the same old tired complaints.
Nobody ever said that this car was supposed to go against the SL or Continental GT. Please, do some research before you post the same old tired complaints.
but towards all members posting. Think clearly before you do an please, read carefully. Also just to clarify, for the bently part, acura said in a press release that their benchmarks for luxury was bently and rolls, but probably they did that so if they fail,they still know better that they aimed and did better than just if they had aimed at lexus for example.
06-19-2008, 03:32 AM
#1501
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Originally Posted by VTEC Racer
Why do you always post the same shit? The truth of the matter is that NOBODY here knows what car this is. Unless you work for Honda and know exactly what is going on inside, stop talking like every report you see on Mag X is a damn press release from the CEO if Honda. And FYI, the car was ALWAYS supposed to be in the same class as the GT-R and LF-A. Another FYI, both those cars ARE GT cars. Nobody ever said that this car was supposed to go against the SL or Continental GT. Please, do some research before you post the same old tired complaints.
Nobody ever said that this car was supposed to go against the SL or Continental GT. Please, do some research before you post the same old tired complaints.YOU do your homework, and cut the BS before start barking at people.
06-19-2008, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by csmeance
they are using a 3.4L v8, dropped the 10 for some reason to my knowledge, not sure if it was f1 either... a little hazy with the memory on that. I know a lot of people complain about that, but not all the details. forgot to add to my post:
F1 engines are currently 2.4L V8's. That changed in 2006.
They were using 3.0L V10's when Honda re-entered F1.
06-19-2008, 09:02 AM
#1503
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Originally Posted by dom
F1 engines are currently 2.4L V8's. That changed in 2006.
They were using 3.0L V10's when Honda re-entered F1.
They were using 3.0L V10's when Honda re-entered F1.
And
Currently all IRL V8 engines are 3.0-liters. Next year the maximum displacement will be 3.5-liters.
06-19-2008, 11:30 AM
#1505
Looks like Jalopnik is echoing LLN today, at least this time with some sources credited.
We caught our first glimpse of Honda's Acura NSX replacement earlier in the week, and now, adding to our 2009 Porsche 911 'Ring footage from earlier, the guys at Bridge To Gantry have snapped these new shots. They think there's a high-revving V10 under the hood, but whatever it is it's gonna be fast. How do we know this? Because Honda CEO Takeo Fukai has demanded that the development team make the NSX faster than both the Nissan GT-R and the Lexus LF-A. That would mean a Nurburgring lap time better than the GT-R's 7:29, though the LF-A may be even faster than that. Of course, the NSX having the 5.5-liter V10's 550 HP connected to Honda's Super-Handling All-Wheel-Drive has to help.
http://jalopnik.com/396544/2010-acur...r-729-lap-time
http://jalopnik.com/396544/2010-acur...r-729-lap-time
06-19-2008, 11:34 AM
#1507
The sizzle in the Steak
Let's be realistic about the new "NSX"
06-19-2008, 12:22 PM
#1509
6G TLX-S
Originally Posted by iforyou
Yea, I agree. My estimate of 3800lbs for the next NSX is a conservative estimate. Are they also using 2.4L V8 now in F1? I'd imagine V8 or V10 wouldn't be a problem to them.
06-19-2008, 02:19 PM
#1510
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
The Honda F1 2.4L-V8 has a extremely high redline - 19,000rpm, and has a life expectancy of 1 race weekend. After each race, it has to be completely tear down and rebuild for the next race. Lots of reliability and driverability considerations have to be engineered in before the engine technology can be used on civilian cars.
FIA limits revving to 19K previous before the limiting of the revving some were pushing revs towards the 24k mark....
also motors last two races now per FIA regulation.
also lets keep in mind these motors make somewhere around the 900hp range and are put at their max consistently, and they also use exotic materials for weight and durability and only has a two weekend expectancy. the piston in these motors are very thin compared to a normal road running car...again for power and also to last just as long as they need it to last.
i do not expect to see and F1 motor in a production car, but yet the research and data that comes from an F1 car will be taken to build a very reliable long lasting high performance motor. this is the basis for formula 1, hundreds of millions of dollars go into race teams per year to be on the cutting edge...
06-19-2008, 02:54 PM
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NSX laps 'Ring unofficially at 7:37
NSX laps 'Ring unofficially at 7:37
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/19/nsx-laps-ring-unofficially-at-7-37/
The same spy photographers who brought us clear pics of the NSX prototype in Germany this week have pulled out their stop watch to record an unofficial lap time for Acura's supercar. By their measure, the NSX prototype has lapped the Nurburgring in 7 minutes, 37 seconds. Seeing as how Honda CEO Takeo Fukui wants the NSX to lap the 'Ring faster than the GT-R, we'd be remiss if we didn't mention that Nissan's supercar has done it officially in 7 minutes, 29 seconds. That puts the NSX prototype 8 seconds off the GT-R's official time. Keep in mind that the Acura's lap time was unofficial and the driver, of course, didn't know that someone was timing him. The question remains, however, how much does the NSX have left in it to beat the GT-R? Rumors abound about how powerful its 5.5L V10 might be, with optimistic estimates pegging it at 550 horsepower. Though the NSX has seemingly been in development forever, this week has been the first time a prototype this far along in the development process has taken to the 'Ring for testing. Some more track time and an official run will tell us more, although we doubt we'll hear much about it unless the NSX manages to beat 7:29.
As a bonus, KGP also managed to snap the interior of the NSX prototype. While not revealing much, we can see its gauges and the paddle shifters for its rumored 8-speed transmission. Also note that these new pics of the NSX prototype were taken while it ran that 7:37 lap.
As a bonus, KGP also managed to snap the interior of the NSX prototype. While not revealing much, we can see its gauges and the paddle shifters for its rumored 8-speed transmission. Also note that these new pics of the NSX prototype were taken while it ran that 7:37 lap.
06-19-2008, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Bad URL.
:ib5ATwithpaddleshifters:
Still plenty of time to make up those 8 seconds. I'm thinking this thing will have closer to 600HP.
:ib5ATwithpaddleshifters:
Still plenty of time to make up those 8 seconds. I'm thinking this thing will have closer to 600HP.
early production, thing may have been in a different type of shakedown. 7:37 unofficial is still damn quick
06-19-2008, 03:09 PM
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Grrr...editing this thread pwns me. 
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06-19-2008, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Bad URL.
:ib5ATwithpaddleshifters:
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06-19-2008, 03:13 PM
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06-19-2008, 03:27 PM
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Dammit! Why won't this thread edit!??!?!??
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06-19-2008, 03:29 PM
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Even if the NSX successor does end up beating the GT-R around the 'ring, I bet we'll start to hear how boring a drive it was compared to the Euro competitors.
06-19-2008, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
Even if the NSX successor does end up beating the GT-R around the 'ring, I bet we'll start to hear how boring a drive it was compared to the Euro competitors.