Moog-Type-S

..but everyone would gladly pay more for the Acura badge.

srika

oh that.. I'm almost positive that's the bottom of the wheel..

Yumcha

Depends on what segment they are after...it was posted awhile ago that Honda is going more for the Grand Touring saloon-type coupe, no?

If that's the case, the car's not after the GT-R but more along the lines of a Maserati GranTurismo and Aston Martin V8 Vantage territory, right...?

Edward'TLS

But can the 5.5L-V10 be run at such a high rpm ? It has a lot of mass to overcome in order to rev. that high.

Moog-Type-S

Honda/Acura "may" be trying to head in that direction...and try to market this car in that manner, but consumer view of the Acura brand may differ.

The Acura "badge" has alot to prove if it wants to be in AM / Maser. territory.

phile

Ahhh

gocubsgo55

Those look like typical Honda/Acura gauges. I was expecting/hope to see something different in the production model. 8,500 RPM redline from a V10 is quite impressive though.

Yumcha

True...and it's definitely crazy ambitious to take on either AM or Maserati. However, at least that'll settle the difference as to what the new NSX is and what it isn't...

Not really Honda's fault if people are ignorant enough to slap the GT-R up against the NSX if they aren't meant to be in competition with each other.

TSX69

I am so glad they went w/ the 0 @ the 6'oclock time like the 1st TSX. I wish the 2nd generation kept that ....

biker

Considering the RPMs their Indy and F1 engines run I think Honda knows what they're doing - well, at least the engine part.

Come to think of it - wasn't this supposed to have some sort of DGS tranny? If Honda tries to make that themselves look out the first year.

srika

wasn't there a problem with S2000 engines blowing up?

just saying..

Crazy Bimmer

You thinking of the hi-revving M3

srika

that too..

Costco

A friend of mine, currently driving an 08 AV6 coupe, used to drive an AP1. Why? Somewhat to blame on negligence on his part but somehow a spark plug rattled itself loose and shattered into bits inside the cylinder causing massive ownage, to sum it up.

AP2 ftw!

Moog-Type-S

shhhhhhhh

vishnus11

nope.

There was an issue with spark plugs being not torqued tight enough, and rattling loose - electrode would fall in and scar the block. Not really a problem with the engine but more with the fact that the torque specs were incorrect.

If anyone can build a bulletproof high revving motor its Honda. 9K in a V10 is tizight!

fsttyms1

Listening to the video of it it sounds like a high reving motor.

srika

I didn't doubt they could build a high-revving motor, I just remembered the S2000-blown-engine thing and went .. I even know one person who had to have his motor replaced because it blew..

Costco

It was probably more prevalent in the AP1s with the higher redline. As far as I know it was a freak accident, and it definitely wasn't just the electrode that fell in. That might have caused a bent valve but the block was scrap afterwards. I could ask to clear it up, that's just what I heard from my friend, and not the mechanic

Xpditor

Moog: What is your problem lately with Acura? Your posts have been so negative I wonder why you spend so much time on Acurazine?

You're entitled to your opinion... but what set you off?

:ibrant:

The Dougler

iTrader: (1)

He comes here for the coffee and witty banter.

I also believe I called the 10k redline many pages ago. I can't wait to get some official details out of honda on this one.

Edward'TLS

The Honda F1 V10 was only a smallish 3.5L, and cost 1/2 a million each. The Indy V8's are all 4.0L and below. If Honda can really crank out that high of a rpm for a big displacement V10, it will be an industrial 1st for production cars.

Moog-Type-S

I have no problem with Honda/Acura....in fact I own a couple of their "products" including a motorcycle....and I like them alot.

Nothing "set me off" for or against them. I like cars...period regardless of brand.

As for Acura, their designs lately have been IMHO average at best.

Let's look at the recent track record:
RL was vanilla from day one...now it looks even worse
RSX ugly design...horrible powerplant (turbo 4 should have been in the TSX)
TSX ugly front end...mismatch design overall - powerplant is carry-over for a new model.
MDX is decent.
TL (jury is still out) The current gen is Acura's only "bright spot"
NSX (or whatever it's going to be called) - jury is still out. Would have been nicer if it was a true supercar (mid-engine) versus a GT car.

Then we can beat the dead horse over engine choices (or lack thereof), still running 5AT tranny's.

Acura has been a brand in search of an identity for quite a while now.
I would love to see them at least keep pace with the big boys of the lux market...and perhaps one day lead in a few areas.
Perhaps they will find it in sooner than later.

Costco

@ the RSX

At least for the Type-S the K20A2 is a great engine for the RSX. Turbo-4 would have made it even better but I don't think it would fit under the sloping hood? What they did fail in was the interior and the lack of LSD and the pricing.... the 06+ Civic Si had a nicer interior IMO, LSD, and a lower price to boot = RSX

Looks are subjective but I've yet to hear someone think the RSX is ugly until now. I will agree with the rest though, they aren't exactly following their motto of "Acura. Advance." when their competitors are coming out with the next latest and greatest technology.... as knowledgable as Honda/Acura is at engine building they have still failed to harness the benefits of direct injection which Toyota uses to its fullest, and as far as we know they're still building their own trannies, and 6-speed autos are still unheard of.

I've heard this before but I think it holds true - Hyundai will soon surpass Acura. And IMO Acura will replace Hyundai as the bargain lux brand with nothing really new/different to offer, albeit Acura has a much better reputation to boot which may keep them afloat.

I think we can ALL agree that none of these future models are looking like they'll have better looks than their predecessors. The TL, RL, and the NSX from what you can tell don't hold a candle to their predecessors. The TSX would look immensely better with a different grill.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

RL, I thought it looks awesome, it's still one of my dream cars. IMO, 09 rear end + 05-08 front end + A-spec kit + TE37's = what I want.

RSX...ugly?? I think it did receive some negative comments, it was one of those you either love it or hate it design, I thought the Integra was better looking but eventually the RSX grew on me, and the facelift made things better. As far as its powerplant, I totally disagree it's horrible, at least for the RSX-S - high revving, good torque delivery for a 2L engine, awesome sound, efficient, reliable. IMO a turbo engine would cause too much torque steer, even with the K20, it already suffers more torque steer than the DC2 ITR, one reason is more torque, another is they stopped using double wishbone suspension in front. Anyway, if one wants more power, the aftermarket is huge. It's one of the few cars that you can also bring it to the track and actually have fun IMO.

TSX, not gonna say anything about the design, too subjective, powerplant, well, it did receive modifications and its low and and mid range torque is much much better than before (talking about 10+ lbft torque in most area under the curve from the same 2.4L displacement). Remember, the 1st gen model didn't make its full power until a few hundred rpm before the fuel cutoff (see dyno at TOV). And the 6.7s 0-60mph sprint proves that point.

The other cars, not out yet, so I'm not going to say anything. ANd yea, Honda still makes their gearboxes in-house.....

Moog-Type-S

Easy there peeps as you can tell turbo 4 was not in the RSX....typo RDX (the s is right next to the d on the keyboard) :wink:

Moog-Type-S

...and again I was responding to Xpditor.

Let's not the NSX thread.

Fibonacci

I think most enthusiasts agree that something along the same vein of the original HSC concept would have been preferable. Light, M/R, high revving...(beats dead horse)

Anywhoo, I'm actually starting to get excited about this fish called Wanda, er whatever.

I hope its better than expected, I think after all this time the bar of expectations got lower and lower.

phile

I definitely would've liked to see that HSC make it to production as the next NSX.

And if you look at the supposedly new Corvette in its thread, it's using that same sweeping design for the rear greenhouse that we saw on the HSC.

Moog-Type-S

Did somebody hurt you when you were a child?
Why so negative about Acura?

Fibonacci

Don't think I ate quite as many lead paint chips as a child than you and Mokos though...

GreenMonster

I don't know about most, but I'm pissed that acura has gone against what used to make it great... coupes...

There's not one fucking coupe in the lineup...

There used to be an integra coupe, legend coupe, then the RSX, NSX and CL... now nothing...

It's like they said, screw the people who like coupes... We'll make one whenever we want (or not in the case of the NSX replacement), and tough cookies for the buyers...

Lots of people have bailed from the acura brand... Why, because that's the way Acura has their lineup setup. Acura is the stepping stone to "real' luxury brands, and until they get their shit together, they'll remain so...

It just seems that the product planning is done by a group of monkeys... Who the fuck cancels the flagship of a brand without a replacement already to go ? Acura that's who... Dick Collier should be ashamed of himself...

Take the New TL vs. the MMC (mid model change) RL for example... Who in there right mind is going to buy a RL, when the 4g TL has everything the RL had at almost $10K less. Way to piss off all the owners of 2G RL;s... That should do a lot for encouraging brand loyalty How's the product planning working out there...

Monkeys...

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

The Legend coupe and Integra coupe were produced when Soichiro Honda was still around....the same can't be said with the CL...and it sold horribly...RSX was killed in an effort to get rid of that boy racer image associated with Acura...IMO I don't think that's a very smart move...NSX..well..it's more of a Honda thing, Honda Japan said no more NSX, so Acura gets no NSX too.

I don't think Acura cares too much about RL now, they simply give up. They can't make the TL worst than the RL just because RL is supposed to be the flagship model. They want to keep the "momentum" going with the TL if that makes any sense to you. For the RL, we will just have to wait till the 3g model.

In summary, I think Acura is under going a transition period now. If the rumors are true, then in a few years we will see more exciting models in the lineup.

swift22

....if the rumors are true and they are smart. If not they will end up like plymouth.

majin ssj eric

I think the new NSX is gonna be spectacular honestly. I wish they had stuck with a mid-engine design instead of copying Toyota and Nissan but this thing is shaping up to be a mind-blowing automobile and you gotta give Honda thumbs up for that. We'll see if they can manage to not price it into the stratosphere but if it comes in any where near $100k it will be an awesome answer to the LF-A, GT-R, M5/6, 911 Turbo/GT3, Corvette Z06/ZR1. God, we really are in a supercar renaissance right now and all I see around here usually is complaints!!

GrandeInter10

People bitch and moan too much. This new Acura supercar is looking like a million bucks to me.

Manual Transmission

Hell yea...

If I had the money I would've paid $150k just for the body shell... no engine no nothin'. The HSC concept design may not be the greatest in the world but it would certainly be in the Japanese exotic supercar category... Not the upcomming ugly ass 350Z-Like NSX.

phile

It looks good...but I wouldn't take it that far.

krio

and maybe not the right moment for a 550 hp supercar...
you know, oil crysis they say...
even the Porsche Carrera is selling worse, and worse...
not really understand Acura cars planning, still.
where are the CL or the RSX successors?

Moog-Type-S

I agree.

Acura has said alot of things over the years and

Let's see if this time they deliver on their talks to "compete" with the big boys.

Until then it's more from the Honda talking heads.